Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Gerard,

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 21:30:21[GMT +0100](which was 20:30 where I
live) you wrote:

G> No double send here, maybe a double receive? Try "kill dupes"

Hm?? Strange but I did kill the dupes. Just thought that it was sent
twice too.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 8:40:46 PM, you wrote:
RW> Now why did that double post happen? I did my usual of clicking on the
RW> send button in the message for an immediate send.


Richard,

No double send here, maybe a double receive? Try "kill dupes"

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Gerard!

On Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 8:16:17 PM you wrote:

> My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation.

Nine months seems to be the normal period before the sleepless nights,
loud noises, strange smells etc. happen.

Sorry, couldn't resist, and it was a long week,very cold, not to my
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Now why did that double post happen? I did my usual of clicking on the
send button in the message for an immediate send.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Gerard,

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 20:16:17[GMT +0100](which was 19:16 where I
live) you wrote:

G> My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. I do
G> remember ZoneLabs telling me there was a new update. I had a look but
G> didn't change anything. My ZoneLabs did it on its own?

I put 3.5.166 on the other day and, even though I have it set for
automatic updates, I still had to do it manually. I just thought I'd
check just in case and I found it hadn't done anything.

G> In your case it is more weird. If you terminate a running program in
G> Taskmanager, something or someone must have started it. If it starts
G> automaticly it should do so after a restart.

I don't have TB! starting automatically, it's a manual start. I don't
know how the extra "exe" file got there but it's all working OK now.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 7:04:44 PM, you wrote:
RW> Well, I deleted the errant small file and have rebooted the PC twice
RW> since then and it hasn't come back. I can't think how it got in there
RW> but it must be a one off occurrence and TB! and the rest of the system
RW> (including ZA Pro) is now firing on all cylinders again.

Richard,
My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. I do
remember ZoneLabs telling me there was a new update. I had a look but
didn't change anything. My ZoneLabs did it on its own?

In your case it is more weird. If you terminate a running program in
Taskmanager, something or someone must have started it. If it starts
automaticly it should do so after a restart.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Gerard,

On Thu, 12 Dec 2002 at 13:45:36[GMT +0100](which was 12:45 where I
live) you wrote:

G> I have the same setup and I checked but I have only one instance at
G> 17+K.

G> If you have had this problem from the beginning may I suggest that
G> you download the latest version again,

Well, I deleted the errant small file and have rebooted the PC twice
since then and it hasn't come back. I can't think how it got in there
but it must be a one off occurrence and TB! and the rest of the system
(including ZA Pro) is now firing on all cylinders again.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Gerard]

ON Thursday, December 12, 2002, 12:57:40 AM, you wrote:
RW> PMFJI but I'm still having my flickering cursor/hourglass problem and
RW> I looked properly at Task Manager just now and I have *two* instances
RW> of "The Bat.exe" running. One is solid on 18,192K and the other
RW> changes every few seconds between about 20K and 4,000K. I don't have
RW> TB! set to start unless I select it so perhaps that is my problem
RW> although I can't see why that should be so.

Hi Richard,

I have the same setup and I checked but I have only one instance at
17+K.
I even checked if that wasn't the connection centre showing but that's
not it either.

If you have had this problem from the beginning may I suggest that you
download the latest version again, just to make sure there wasn't a
corruption during download.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Gerard,

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002 at 14:14:32[GMT +0100](which was 13:14 where I
live) you wrote:

G> What you can do is start the taskmanager and then start the application
G> (The Bat!) that is experiencing the freeze. You should still see the
G> offending program jump to the top of the list if you sort it on CPU
G> time.

PMFJI but I'm still having my flickering cursor/hourglass problem and
I looked properly at Task Manager just now and I have *two* instances
of "The Bat.exe" running. One is solid on 18,192K and the other
changes every few seconds between about 20K and 4,000K. I don't have
TB! set to start unless I select it so perhaps that is my problem
although I can't see why that should be so.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, December 11, 2002, 11:40:14 AM, you wrote:
G>> I had the problem this morning on my WIN2K system.
G>> The way to find the process is to switch to the task manager

VBG> I wish I can do that but it'll never launch :( and if it is
VBG> already running the system doesn't slow down instead it
VBG> really freezes and everything is untouchable.

What you can do is start the taskmanager and then start the application
(The Bat!) that is experiencing the freeze. You should still see the
offending program jump to the top of the list if you sort it on CPU
time.

G>> found it to be a little programm called VSMON.exe.
G>> it turns out that VSmon.exe is part of an old friend called ZoneLabs :(

VBG> I know but listen to this... On my desktop PC I've seen
VBG> those problems and they we're inescapable but I recently got
VBG> a notebook PC which is a little less powerful and I haven't
VBG> experienced a *freeze* yet.

Freezing has nothing to do with processing power but all with badly
behaving programs

G>> I don't know how this is possible but I expected it to be part of the
G>> mail check thingy Zonelabs has were it deactivates certain file based on
G>> the extension. I switch that option to No and everything is working now.

VBG> Are you talking about E-mail Protection > Mail Safe Setting
VBG>  > off? If that is what you're talking about thanks I just
VBG>  did it as I never download and run anything suspicious
VBG>  anyway. Plus I have Micro Trend PC-cillin running :)

That's it alright. I tried it first with ZoneLabs disabled end then
found a setting that worked.

G>> Hope this helps.

VBG> Anything helps and I can only thank you for your input as I
VBG> see it was a feature I hardly used anyway.

Absolutly, TB! is secure enough.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Gerard]

ON Monday, December 9, 2002, 12:39:23 PM, you wrote:
VBG> Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which
VBG> process overwhelmed my system how would I go about
VBG> preventing it from starting or stopping before or once it is
VBG> in action?

Hi Victor,

I had the problem this morning on my WIN2K system.

The way to find the process is to switch to the task manager
(Ctrl-Alt-Del) and see which process is using all the processor time. I
found it to be a little programm called VSMON.exe.
The do a file search on your computer and it turns out that VSmon.exe is
part of an old friend called ZoneLabs :(

I don't know how this is possible but I expected it to be part of the
mail check thingy Zonelabs has were it deactivates certain file based on
the extension. I switch that option to No and everything is working now.

Hope this helps.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Victor,

On Mon, 9 Dec 2002 06:39:23 -0500 GMT (09/12/02, 18:39 +0700 GMT),
Victor B. Gonzalez wrote:

TF>> I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is.

> Thank you Thomas. Even if I we're to figure out which process
> overwhelmed my system how would I go about preventing it from
> starting or stopping before or once it is in action?

We can think about that when we know who the culprit is. If it is
indeed TB, we need to narrow down why it happens on your system and
not on others. And we have found that out, we'll see what we can do
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07 -0500 GMT (09/12/02, 05:19 +0700 GMT),
Allie C Martin wrote:

VBG>> It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What
VBG>> happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were
VBG>> to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the
VBG>> system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two
VBG>> minutes.

> Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed
> by some errant process.

I think so too. Now the question is to find out which process that is.

Victor, can you check memory usage before starting TB and then again
when the sluggish behaviour starts? Which app or process is using the
resources? (If you wait until it is all bad, you might not be able to
use the memory tool any more.)

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Anthony Xin Chen]

Hi All,

On 8 Dec 2002 17:19:07  (my local time 14:19:07), Allie C Martin wrote
(in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED])

> Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this
> would be through a complete uninstall of it.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:50:04[GMT -0500](which was 21:50 where I
live) you wrote:

ACM> Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
ACM> luck.

Un installed, rebooted and no change. shucks :-(

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'

MH> It was locking up and I had to reboot. I could not CAD out of
MH> it. And it was only the combination of ZAP and TB! ZAP worked
MH> fine with over network programs.

Interesting. I've never heard ZAP and TB! creating such serious
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] wrote:'

VBG> I can prove it's The Bat! and not because it's the newest app
VBG> on my system but because right after boot-up the very first app
VBG> I go to launch is The Bat!

The only thing I can say is that TB! triggers a problem. Whether the
problem is in fact completely in TB!'s realm of responsibility is
yet to be proven. I naturally doubt this very much since my
experience with TB! is the opposite. I run it 24/7 on my XP system
and throughout all beta's etc for the last year, it has never
interfered with XP. I hope you persevere since I'm sure there's a
culprit.

VBG> It seemed to freeze up on retrieving my mail and about an hour
VBG> ago I had to hard boot my PC 15 + times before restoring an old
VBG> back-up made it work again.

Wow! :(

Time to get ZA out of the equation I'd say. The only way to do this
would be through a complete uninstall of it.

There are other firewalls that are equally or more effective than
ZA. I personally recommend Kerio Personal Firewall. It carries a
small footprint, is VERY stable, and does only what you tell it to.
No tricks or unexpected surprises.

OTOH, I personally can't think of another client to replace TB!
with. :)

VBG> Plus, I've owned XP for just over 8 months and I never hard
VBG> booted my PC like this ever.

TB! and ZA don't get along on many systems. I had a very bad
experience personally.

VBG> It doesn't freeze unless I have the task manager open. What
VBG> happens is the system slows down to the point where if I were
VBG> to do a figure 8 with the mouse on the screen in one second the
VBG> system will still be doing that figure 8 for the next two
VBG> minutes.

Yeah. Sounds like you're CPU resources are completely consumed
by some errant process.

VBG> Is it possible something was still running? I don't know :(

Don't know but an open mind is important here. It's very hard to
have one in these circumstances.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Allie C Martin [ACM] wrote:'

ACM> These problems have never been secondary to applications such
ACM> as TB!.

I shouldn't say 'never' here. I meant 'very unlikely'. :)

TB! and other innocent applications often just trigger the *real*
problem and are then blamed as being the problem. The cause effect
relationship on the surface can be very damning indeed. I've been
there and it's really agony to deal with.

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Paul Wilson]

Sunday, 12/8/2002, 2:00 PM

Hi Allie,
On Sun, 8 Dec 2002, at 16:50:04 [GMT -0500] (which was 1:50 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'About TB ON XP *freezing*'

RW>> OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens
RW>> although I can't understand why the two programmes worked
RW>> perfectly in harmony before this.

ACM> Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
ACM> luck.

ZAP worked flawlessly for me for almost 13 months and then went goofy
on me. Within two weeks it had me thinking the system was falling
apart. The same symptoms you describe.
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[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'

RW> OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens
RW> although I can't understand why the two programmes worked
RW> perfectly in harmony before this.

Interestingly this was my experience before things went awry. Good
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'

MH> You are probably right and it could just be a coincidence. But I
MH> dismantled ZAP 2 months ago and my problems disappeared - and
MH> they did not come back when I installed Kerio 3 weeks ago .

I doubt it was a coincidence if this is what happened.

What problems were you having with your system. Was it blue
screening or locking up or were you having network problems that
would only go away for a while after a fresh reboot. The latter is
more typical of ZA.

MH> XP is really stable now. I installed it in January and I have
MH> never had a system before that ran this long before it needed to
MH> be rebuild.

Same here for Win2k and XP here. TB! runs just fine on both systems
and both systems are very stable unless there's a serious problem.
These problems have never been secondary to applications such as
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Allie,

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 16:34:10[GMT -0500](which was 21:34 where I
live) you wrote:

ACM> This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as
ACM> soon as it starts checking for mail?

Unfortunately all the time. TB! behaves for the first 5 seconds after
starting and then the wobbly cursor/hourglass starts and the internet
connectivity starts. I have TB! set to pick up mail every 5 minutes
but the activity is every few seconds.

ACM> If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind
ACM> bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so
ACM> easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to
ACM> completely remove ZA from your system.

OK, I'll try to uninstall it completely to see what happens although I
can't understand why the two programmes worked perfectly in harmony
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Richard Wakeford [RW] wrote:'

RW> I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of
RW> my processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation
RW> with the hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic
RW> internet connectivity whilst TB! is open. See my
RW> [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

This happens all the time when TB! is running or does it happen as
soon as it starts checking for mail?

If ZAP is the problem then merely disabling it will not make a blind
bit of difference. You'll have to uninstall it ... doing so isn't so
easy either. Their homepage has a page that outlines how to
completely remove ZA from your system.

RW> I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is
RW> that I can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly
RW> head. I've tried un installing and going back a couple of betas
RW> but it's no good :-(

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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Victor,

On Sun, 8 Dec 2002 at 15:33:30[GMT -0500](which was 20:33 where I
live) you wrote:

VBG> I am trying to run TB 24/7 on a 1.6 GHz, P4, 512 DDR RAM,
VBG>   Cable connection (d 1.6MEG - u 800kb) with Roxios GoBack 3
VBG>   Deluxe and Zone Alarm Professional running.

I am also running ZA Pro and, to see if it was TB! or not, I disabled
ZA and it didn't make a blind bit of difference.

VBG>   Is anyone else experiencing the system halts? Any one have
VBG>   any idea what might be causing it?

I'm not getting system halts so much as TB! uses almost all of my
processor and the cursor continually flashes in alternation with the
hour glass and there is continual but spasmodic internet connectivity
whilst TB! is open. See my [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

I now close TB! unless I want to get messages. The trouble is that I
can't pinpoint the time that the problem reared its ugly head. I've
tried un installing and going back a couple of betas but it's no good
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Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Allie C Martin]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Mogens Holst [MH] wrote:'

MH> Same experience here. ZAP was nothing but problems; changed to
MH> Kerio and never looked back

Though I have my dislikes for ZAP, a freezing XP system is unlikely
to be secondary to ZAP. It tends to just mess up your internet
connection or interfere with TB!'s connection to POP servers. It
takes something more fundamental to interfere with XP's stability in
that way.

If XP is freezing, I don't think this has anything to do with TB!.

Victor,

I think you just happen to be using TB! when the lockups occur or
TB! triggers the problem with the system. An errant driver is the
likely culprit. How old is your system and does it misbehave in any
other way and with any other apps?

If you wait long enough after the freezing, do you get a blue
screen. Do you have to reboot to regain control of your system?

I was blaming IE for my ailing XP system since the BSOD's would
occur mainly while browsing. However, I soon found out it was a
problem with the system BIOS and video drivers. I had to update the
BIOS. Since then, things have been rock solid.

I'd look in that direction rather than blame TB!. TB! runs very well
in XP. I've never had a problem with TB! since I started using XP
a year ago.

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  -=] Allie C Martin [=-  {List Moderator}

MUA: TB! v1.62 Christmas Edition ___ OS: WinXP Pro (SP1)



Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Victor,

@8-Dec-2002, 15:33 -0500 (20:33 UK time) Victor B. Gonzalez [VBG] in
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VBG>   without an ounce of change TB *freezes* the entire system.

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VBG>   ... and Zone Alarm Professional running.

Is this the culprit? I personally recommend Kerio PF over ZAP, which
has caused many people many problems. Especially TB users for some
reason. Allie Martin, another moderator here has very strong views
on the topic. Besides, Kerio is free for personal use.

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Current version is 1.61 | "Using TBUDL" information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html