Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hallo A. Curtis, (hi there, too) On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 10:43:56 +0800 GMT (28/09/2000, 10:43 +0800 GMT), Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF This is not correct. I have "manual" connection enabled at home, and TF TB (with the settings above) will indeed know whther a connection is TF available. It will only check mail when I am on-line. That's the whole TF point of this setting. ACM Funny that this was the very setting that was making TB! annoyingly ACM check for mail whether or not I was connected. I had to switch to a ACM modem connection to prevent this. TF Note to self: double-check as soon as you (or "I" rather, or maybe TF both of us) get home. Double-checked. I was wrong. Under Options / NetworkAdmin, I have DUN Connection checked, not manual. Auto-disconn: checked. No auto dial: checked. Use existing: checked. - this is why TB does not dial when I am connected manually. When I websurf, TB will automtically check every 10 minutes, and if I hit ALT-F2, will check additionally, but will not *attempt* to dail. Pause between: 60 seconds. Max retries: 10 This machine is: Workstation with TCP/IP. - do you have the same setting here? Allow local is _not_ checked. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sat, 30 Sep 2000 16:06:19 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF Double-checked. I was wrong. Under Options / NetworkAdmin, I have DUN TF Connection checked, not manual. TF Auto-disconn: checked. TF No auto dial: checked. TF Use existing: checked. - this is why TB does not dial when I am TFconnected manually. When I websurf, TB will TFautomtically check every 10 minutes, and if TFI hit ALT-F2, will check additionally, but TFwill not *attempt* to dail. TF Pause between: 60 seconds. TF Max retries: 10 TF This machine is: Workstation with TCP/IP. - do you have the same TFsetting here? TF Allow local is _not_ checked. This is exactly how I have mine setup. I don't use any account specific network settings either, so I don't have problems with unwanted mail checks when not connected. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Believe your beliefs and doubt your doubts. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdXaOfAXeSHuB5k3EQKBdQCdFzi4poaLW3hwMSO7onNdHYDF7yUAniIS 7A41e75CoT3ZCKz+DmgUAwaf =QlrM -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Charlie, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:26:30 +0100GMT (29/09/2000, 06:26 +0800GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: CTc Sorry to appear contradictory, but in my case it does. TB will merrily CTc go attempting to establish connections at intervals - as set in CTc options, periodical checking. I have stopped this by un-checking CTc periodical checking an all accounts. Which of course means I now have to CTc manually ask TB to check mail. If you are sure that you have not checked "Use account specific network settings" at at least one of your accounts under Account / Properties / Network, then I am out of my wits. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Charlie, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 23:31:33 +0100GMT (29/09/2000, 06:31 +0800GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: This is not a bug. If the connection fails, TB makes anotehr attempt. CTc And a very laudable action that is too, but one I would like to CTc control. The addition of "If connections fails, attempt to establish a CTc new connection?" would do nicely. I have my reasons for not wanting TB CTc to establish the connection. But that's another (wondering off topic) story. Try setting "Maximum number of retries": 0 (zero). Default is 10 (ten). You'll find it in the main menu under Options / Network Admin, the same screen where your only Network set-up is. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
This message: 29/09/2000 08:59 GMT. Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 29 September 2000 at 13:51:00 GMT +0800 TF If you feel you are addicted to email, you'll qualify. Well I've got six kids who all have to be up by 7:30. They all have to be fed, watered and got ready for school. The babies bottles need making, packed lunches have to packed. My daughters friends refer to our family as 'The Brady Bunch' None of this ever gets done until after ALT-F2. TF Marck: Do you still have the scoring list that Leif wrote up for TF self-assessment Yes, please send me the application form. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
This message: 28/09/2000 08:42 GMT. Hello Charlie, A reminder of what Charlie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 27 September 2000 at 19:30:07 GMT +0100 CTc What happens to you (and other TB users) when you run TB while CTc off-line? For me TB will repeatedly attempt to establish a dial-up CTc connection. This happens no matter how I set up properties for any CTc my accounts. The way it works here is, I hit ALT-F2 and TB dials up, goes on line down/uploads my mail and then it hangs up and returns to off line on it's own. It never tries to dial a connection unless I tell it to. Occasionally I hit the 'Send now' icon instead of the 'Put it in the outbox' one and it tries to connect but that's the only time. I've tried a dozen different e-mail programs over the past week or two. The majority have this on/offline option and I have a great deal of trouble getting the hang of it. They either want to be on or off all the time. When you get them to go on line and download, they don't seem to want to hang up on their own and it needs to be done manually. next time you tell it to go on line it expects there to already be a network connection and so you have to do that manually as well. TB is the only one I've come across that will efficiently connect, download and then disconnect on it's own with a single click or key press. In my network properties I have these settings. Dial up Networking Connection... Yes Auto disconnect after mail transmission... Yes No automatic dial for periodical checking... NO Use existing connection if any...Yes Pause between dials... 120 seconds. Maximum number if retries... 0 In my account properties I have periodical check and check at start up both un-checked. I leave my Bat running most of the time so if it was going to try to connect on it's own at any time I think, if any, it would be every two minutes. CTc I have heard that this may be a bug!? If it is, I haven't experienced it here. Even if I have a dozen mail waiting to go in the out box, nothing happens until I hit F2. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
This message: 28/09/2000 09:55 GMT. Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 28 September 2000 at 10:43:56 GMT +0800 TF my boss is in town, so we'll have dinner and so before I get home... It's the 'And so' bit I find worrying ;-) -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Tony, On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:25:48 +0100GMT (28/09/2000, 16:25 +0800GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB It never tries to dial a connection unless I tell it to. Occasionally I TB hit the 'Send now' icon instead of the 'Put it in the outbox' one and it TB tries to connect but that's the only time. That's how I have it at home, too. TB I've tried a dozen different e-mail programs over the past week or two. TB The majority have this on/offline option and I have a great deal of TB trouble getting the hang of it. [description snipped] OK, what I would suggest the offline button to do: if, and only if, you are connected to the internet, and you press this button, periodical check will be suspended for all acounts. If you disconnect while you're offline, and then connect again, you are automatically online. If people object to this, I suggest a dialogue when TB starts up: "You are currently set up as offline. Would go switch to online operation Y/N?" TB TB is the only one I've come across that will efficiently connect, TB download and then disconnect on it's own with a single click or key TB press. I love that about TB, too. CTc I have heard that this may be a bug!? TB If it is, I haven't experienced it here. Even if I have a dozen mail TB waiting to go in the out box, nothing happens until I hit F2. Alt-F2 that is, and exactly as I do at home. The composter is half-way between the TV and the beer storage (a.k.a. fridge). The key-combo gets hits in most every commercial break. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hello Thomas, On Donnerstag, 28. September 2000 at 04:01:28 you wrote: This is not a bug. If the connection fails, TB makes anotehr attempt. OK. That is an understandable view. But why doesn't TB make this attempt right away but only afer the "periodical checking" time? Or maybe this got changed, too? ;-) However, since a few versions ago, we also have an *Abort* button, and when you press that one, TB will not make another attempt. I think you didn't know this! :-) I didn't. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Ford stood up. "We're safe," he said. "Oh good," said Arthur. "We're in a small galley cabin," said Ford, "in one of the spaceships of the Vogon Constructor Fleet." "Ah," said Arthur, "this is obviously some strange usage of the word safe that I wasn't previously aware of." (from D. Adams: The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
This message: 28/09/2000 12:11 GMT. Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 28 September 2000 at 18:22:49 GMT +0800 TF If people object to this, I suggest a dialogue when TB starts up: TF "You are currently set up as offline. Would go switch to online TF operation Y/N?" As long as it retains the ALT-F2 ability to Connect, get, give and then disconnect automatically I'm not too bothered. If it gets to the stage where it refuses to disconnect on it's own after fetching mail because it assumes you've got a permanent connection then I wouldn't like that too much. There are too many e-mail clients out there, probably of American origin that assume exactly that. Getting home from shopping to find your e-mail client dialled up and forgot to disconnect 3 hours ago during peak call rate wouldn't be too amusing. TF Will give you a report tomorrow. ;-) Have fun :-) Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] (E-mailaholics International) Just out of curiosity, what's this E-mailaholics International all about? I done a search on the web for it and drew a blank. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hallo Tobias, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 16:32:45 +0200 GMT (27/09/2000, 22:32 +0800 GMT), Tobias Wrede wrote: TW Well I would appreciate an online/offline button as well (although I TW have a permanent connection). I have TB! check my mailinglists every TW 15 minutes. But obviously I cannot always read the mails every 15 TW minutes. So it is not unusual that there pile up 100+ mails from a TW list, that I have to go through. During this time I would rather TW prefer, that TB! does not get the new mails, since it would sort some of TW them into threads I have already read a moment ago. I would then TW risk deleting the unread mail with the mail I went through. TW Did I make myself clear? :-) If you mean you are looking for a button that makes TB ignore the "check mail every xxx minutes" setting, then it is clear. I fail to see the logic though. If there are 100+ messages on the server, it doesn't matter whether I download them now and read them later, or download them later, when I want to read them. I sort incoming messages into different folders. If a message arrives in folders that are important, I will read it it right away. If a message arrives in a folder than I know is not so urgent (mailing lists), I will read it when I have time. I do appreciate knowing that there *are* messages, though, rather than having no clue. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hello Thomas, On Mittwoch, 27. September 2000 at 17:04:31 you wrote: If you mean you are looking for a button that makes TB ignore the "check mail every xxx minutes" setting, then it is clear. That's what I and Charly Turner are looking for. I fail to see the logic though. If there are 100+ messages on the server, it doesn't matter whether I download them now and read them later, or download them later, when I want to read them. Here you lost me. I'll try again. :-) Let me give you an example. I already have the 100 messages in my TBUDL-folder. While I am reading for example the 60th message a new message arrives and is sorted in as 10th message. If some of the messages around it are still marked unread, because I wasn't interested in the subject, the new message #10 would hide itself inbetween there. After finishing reading the 100 messages I usually mark them all and trash them. The new arrived message is gone, too, without me noting that. That's why I don't want any additonal mails to be put in the folder while I am reading the ones I have. so lomg Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 There is a theory which states that if ever anyone discovers exactly what the Universe is for and why it is here, it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. - There is another which states that this has already happened. (from Douglas Adams: The Restaurant at the End of the Universe) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hallo Tobias, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 18:13:37 +0200 GMT (28/09/2000, 00:13 +0800 GMT), Tobias Wrede wrote: TW I already have the 100 messages in my TBUDL-folder. While I am reading TW for example the 60th message a new message arrives and is sorted in as TW 10th message. How do you sort them then? I sort them by received time. Since you trash them after reading them, I think this would make sense for you too. Would it? -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 00:47:33 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TW I already have the 100 messages in my TBUDL-folder. While I am reading TW for example the 60th message a new message arrives and is sorted in as TW 10th message. TF How do you sort them then? I sort them by received time. TF Since you trash them after reading them, I think this would make TF sense for you too. Would it? He threads his messages. I understand what he's saying. Take Gravity for instance, you can have it check the newservers at user-defined periodic intervals, *but*, it also has an online/offline button right there on the toolbar. Toggle it off, and it will stop doing the periodic checks, even though you're still connected to the internet. I agree that this would be a useful feature. There are times when I'm downloading a file and TB! attempts to access the mail server. It has the dickens of a time trying to connect and also slows down my download speed. When I used to use X-Ray, these attempts would at times end with X-Ray crashing. I have to prevent periodic checking to prevent this. I'd prefer to just be able to hit an easily accessible switch. Right now, what I do is to disable the periodic checking option in the account options when I wish to. This method would of course annoy those that need to do this 10 times per day. :-) - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Predicting the future of technology is fraud with peril! " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdIu5fAXeSHuB5k3EQJP3wCgqJ+QYwnzIkVlfnqhqMR1D0/UInMAoLvv gOxMVVFL7bnfijoznQJtK5k9 =bpcJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hello Thomas, On Mittwoch, 27. September 2000 at 18:47:33 you wrote: How do you sort them then? I sort them by received time. That is what I do, too. But using threaded view a message is still sorted in after its referred message and that might be somewhere up the list. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Anything that happens, happens. - Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. - Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. - It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though. (from Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:30:07 +0100, Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: OZ Why? Why to make user to push buttons if TB! could check for OZ connection to exist prior to check mail? CTc I've a feeling I may be doing something wrong here, so please bear CTc with me on this one. What happens to you (and other TB users) when CTc you run TB while off-line? For me TB will repeatedly attempt to CTc establish a dial-up connection. This happens no matter how I set up CTc properties for any my accounts. I have heard that this may be a CTc bug!? Actually, you *can* prevent it from checking while you're offline. Do the following: i) Go to Options - Network Administration ii) Enable 'dial-up network connection'. iii) Enable 'no automatic dial for periodic checking'. iv) Enable 'Use existing Dial-up connection (if any)'. If you have LAN or Manual connection enabled, then TB! will not be able to discern whether or not a connection is available or not for mail checking. It will just keep checking. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "Make it as simple as possible, but no simpler. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdJJ+/AXeSHuB5k3EQJ3DQCeKm5TaFkoYOn+wJ5WXYFdf2NfxpwAoP0K XTcfULSm4UY7JyEYL8mkoCWt =vEXm -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hej! On Mittwoch, 27. September 2000 at 21:26:47 you wrote: Actually, you *can* prevent it from checking while you're offline. as I have mentioned in an earlyer mail and as has been discussed on this list before there is a bug in TB!. i) Go to Options - Network Administration ii) Enable 'dial-up network connection'. iii) Enable 'no automatic dial for periodic checking'. iv) Enable 'Use existing Dial-up connection (if any)'. These are the exact same settings I used to use. However if a mailchecking process was terminated abnormally, for example by cutting of the connection or by pressing the cancel button, TB! ignored the "no automatic..." setting and tried to redial after the set period. Since I am connected through a LAN nowadays I cannot confirm if this bug still exists, but I remeber the bug was easily reproducable back then. Charlie might just experience this bug. If anyone can confirm this it might be of use to file another bug report. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Anything that happens, happens. - Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. - Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. - It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though. (from Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hello Charlie, On Mittwoch, 27. September 2000 at 20:43:05 you wrote: Makes sense to me Tobias. I wouldn't place an online/offline button in the "must have, can't live without" category but I would find it a useful feature. Right. Lacking this feature, I know just try to delete/move the messages after having read about ten, twenty or so, thus keeping the overview. The button would just be convenient. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Who's more foolish - the fool or the fool who follows him? (Obi-Wan Kenobi in Star Wars: A New Hope) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Tobias, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 19:51:00 +0200GMT (28/09/2000, 01:51 +0800GMT), Tobias Wrede wrote: How do you sort them then? I sort them by received time. TW That is what I do, too. But using threaded view a message is still TW sorted in after its referred message and that might be somewhere up TW the list. One suggestion would be not to trash messages that are unread... ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Charlie, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:56:00 +0100GMT (28/09/2000, 03:56 +0800GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: ACM Actually, you *can* prevent it from checking while you're offline. ACM Do the following: [...] CTc I've tried that, and I assure you that TB *still* insists on trying to CTc establish a dial-up connection when offline. See my tow earlier postings in this thread. Curtis' instruction is not complete. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Tobias, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:57:56 +0200GMT (28/09/2000, 03:57 +0800GMT), Tobias Wrede wrote: TW These are the exact same settings I used to use. However if a TW mailchecking process was terminated abnormally, for example by cutting TW of the connection or by pressing the cancel button, TB! ignored the TW "no automatic..." setting and tried to redial after the set period. This is not a bug. If the connection fails, TB makes anotehr attempt. I want it to do that, because more often than not, when I hit alt-F2, several attempts are needed before TB actually downloads the mail. (Say hello to Chungwa Telecom.) If you press the cancel button, *this* attempt will be cancelled, and another attempt will be made later. However, since a few versions ago, we also have an *Abort* button, and when you press that one, TB will not make another attempt. I think you didn't know this! :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, 28 Sep 2000 09:57:31 +0800, Thomas Fernandez wrote: TF i) Go to Options - Network Administration ACM ii) Enable 'dial-up network connection'. ACM iii) Enable 'no automatic dial for periodic checking'. ACM iv) Enable 'Use existing Dial-up connection (if any)'. TF This is correct, but only half of the truth. ;-) TF The other half is: You have to disable "Use specific Netowrk..." under TF Account / Properties / Network for each of the accounts. Any TF "specific" settings combined with periodical check will ignore the "no TF auto dial" instruction. Yes, this is true. ACM If you have LAN or Manual connection enabled, then TB! will not be able ACM to discern whether or not a connection is available or not for mail ACM checking. It will just keep checking. TF This is not correct. I have "manual" connection enabled at home, and TF TB (with the settings above) will indeed know whther a connection is TF available. It will only check mail when I am on-line. That's the whole TF point of this setting. Funny that this was the very setting that was making TB! annoyingly check for mail whether or not I was connected. I had to switch to a modem connection to prevent this. - -- A. Curtis Martin.. Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937 PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey - --- ** "The wise open their minds, but a fool opens his mouth. " Using TB! v1.46d «» Win2k Pro SP1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8 Comment: Digitally signed for message and sender verification. iQA/AwUBOdKpCvAXeSHuB5k3EQJ4IgCgrAZYZsltuWin6+3W5hYOlW6Sr8MAoO/K hezXSJoMNdk4Ap0bBSKqCdvR =kMOL -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Charlie, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:27:25 +0100GMT (28/09/2000, 04:27 +0800GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: [...] CTc Sadly no. I can confirm that TB *still* insists on trying to establish CTc a dial-up connection. I am as certain as I can be that I've tried just CTc about every permutation of settings in Network properties. I'm surprised then. CTc I am as certain as I can be that is a bug and will report it. It is CTc worth mentioning, that this bug won't show up for everyone. I believe CTc this may only happen when the connection is dropped remotely. My CTc dial-up provider operates a two hour cut off, plus due to over CTc subscription of this particular service line dropping is a pretty CTc regular occurrence too. OK, that's something else. When the connection is broken before the mail check is finished, TB will try to reconnect to complete the task of sending/downloading mail. this is not a periodical check, but completion of the first attempt. In any case, when you hit "abort" in the dial-up monitor, this should stop. Just a curious questiuon: why would 2 hours not be enough for a mail-check? CTc I know what you're going to say change your provider. Sadly CTc for a number of reasons it's not that simple. I wouldn't say that - I cannot change provider either. Unless I'm ready to fork out the money for a cable modem, which I am thinking about. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Charlie, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 20:06:03 +0100GMT (28/09/2000, 03:06 +0800GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: ACM Take Gravity for instance, you can have it check the newservers at ACM user-defined periodic intervals, *but*, it also has an online/offline ACM button right there on the toolbar. Toggle it off, and it will stop doing ACM the periodic checks, even though you're still connected to the internet. CTc Very succinct, I would guess there may be a number of users that would CTc find an online/offilne button useful. While I don't have the problems Curtis describes, I agree there is a usefulness for a button like this. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hi Curtis, On Wed, 27 Sep 2000 21:12:22 -0500GMT (28/09/2000, 10:12 +0800GMT), A . Curtis Martin wrote: TF This is not correct. I have "manual" connection enabled at home, and TF TB (with the settings above) will indeed know whther a connection is TF available. It will only check mail when I am on-line. That's the whole TF point of this setting. ACM Funny that this was the very setting that was making TB! annoyingly ACM check for mail whether or not I was connected. I had to switch to a ACM modem connection to prevent this. Note to self: double-check as soon as you (or "I" rather, or maybe both of us) get home. ACM, please give me at least 12 hours, my boss is in town, so we'll have dinner and so before I get home... -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hallo Charlie, On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 21:53:39 +0100 GMT (26/09/2000, 04:53 +0800 GMT), Charlie Turner (ceejay) wrote: CTc Does anyone else think an on-line/off-line button for the main tool CTc bar a useful idea. What should this do exactly? CTc The main reason I ask is I have TB set up to use CTc Dial-up networking | Use an existing connection when available | No CTc automatic dial for periodical checking. Trouble is the ISP I use for CTc dial-up has a two hour cut off, and it can - at busy times - be CTc difficult re-establishing a connection. I have a couple of accounts CTc set to check mail boxes every 5 minutes by default, as a result I CTc have TB trying to establish a connection Why would TB try to establish a connection if you have "no automatic redial" checked? The reason will be that at least one of the accounts has "Use specific Network..." checked with dial-up information under Account / Properties / Network. Any spefici netowrk setting will ignore the "no automatic" instruction. You have to set up your dialling instructions *inly* under Options / Network Admin. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.46d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
Hello Charlie, On Montag, 25. September 2000 at 22:53:39 you wrote: I have a couple of accounts set to check mail boxes every 5 minutes by default, as a result I have TB trying to establish a connection at the same time as my auto-dialer. This is despite my default instructions in TB for no automatic dialing(?) Perhaps I'm misunderstanding this part of TB and should be using; Local Area Network or manual connection in Network properties? That is a bug in TB! I used to experiance, too (now I am connected via LAN), and that cost me quite a lot of onlinecharges when TB! dialed in while I was away. TB! autodials, despite the different setting, when something abnormal happenens during mailchecking or mailsending. I.e. if you cancel the procedures or if the internetconnection breaks down. I cann't give you a tip how to work around this but to wait for a version where this bug is fixed. so long Tobias -- Tobias Wrede Using The Bat! 1.46c on Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 Anything that happens, happens. - Anything that, in happening, causes something else to happen, causes something else to happen. - Anything that, in happening, causes itself to happen again, happens again. - It doesn't necessarily do it in chronological order, though. (from Douglas Adams: Mostly Harmless) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cursor postion () Netorking settings
This message: 25/09/2000 22:36 GMT. Hello Charlie, A reminder of what Charlie ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed on: 25 September 2000 at 21:53:39 GMT +0100 CTc For example, if I go to my address book and select an entry; right CTc click new message - the editor window opens with the cursor in the CTc To: header field, why? I've already selected the addressee from the CTc address book. To be picky I'd like the cursor precisely where I CTc specify it in the respective template If you click anywhere in the main window your cursor will appear not where you click but where you specified in the template. Even if it did start it's life at the cursor position specified in the template, you would still need to enter a Subject. So I think a better solution would be for the cursor to be positioned initially in the subject field rather than the start of the address field. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. Using The Bat! 1.46d S/N A27A5E65 Windows 98 ME 4.90 Build 3000 Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPkeyrequest -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
