Re: Orange folders color

[Christopher J. Trybowski]

On Friday, October 01, 1999 Syafril Hermansyah wrote:

SH>> Markreplied/forward/redirect (automatically   if  we  already
SH>> replied/forwarded/redirected the message).

SH> Oops,  correction...already  implement  in  1.36  Beta/4  (perhaps  in
SH> version below already too, but do not pay attention till just now).

 Do  you  mean the small arrow on the replied letter's envelope? Well,
 that has been here for about two years (since I know TB!).

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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Ali Martin,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 8:03:23 PM you told us:

SH Yes, Shift-Ctrl-F help me a much.

C>>> I don't know this shortcut, what does it do?

>> Create new filter :-).

AM> Do you realise that it's the keyboard shortcut for toggling the
AM> autoformat feature as well? :)

I  know, but in difference context, the toggling active only in editor
mode, while create filter in folder view mode.
Actually, I almost forgotten :-(

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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 5:48:20 AM (-5 GMT), Syafril scribbled:

SH>>> Yes, Shift-Ctrl-F help me a much.

C>> I don't know this shortcut, what does it do?

> Create new filter :-).

Do you realise that it's the keyboard shortcut for toggling the
autoformat feature as well? :)


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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 6:41:12 AM (-5 GMT), Oleg scribbled:

OZ>>> I do not spend any time doing this sorting job. TB! does it. When
OZ>>> I   want   to  answer  some  message,  but  later  I  just  press
OZ>>> Ctrl-F5,Alt-F2  and  go on reading. After that I go to Outbox and
OZ>>> select answers to write and send.
C>> So, for *each* *non-urgent* post, you press ctrl-F5, etc.
> For *each* message I press Ctrl-F5 if I want to reply to it, sooner or
> later.  The  major difference in our mail working policies is that you
> have  in  one folder both urgent and non-urgent messages. I do not. My
> messages  are  filtered  by TB! by formal rules to the folders which I
> divided  into  2  classes:  for  urgent  messages  and  for not urgent
> messages.  First  are shown in mailticker, second are not. So, first I
> read  urgent  messages  and  reply to them if needed, and only when no
> more urgent messages left (mailticker gone) I begin to read non-urgent
> messages.  Sometimes  it  happens  that I have to answer a message but
> have  no  information  available  or smth alike, then I don't write an
> answer, but just press Alt-F2 to not to forget to answer it later.

That's a nice way of using features already present to achieve the same
effect Claude.

> So  I just do not open folders with non-urgent messages -- that what I
> mean by time saving.



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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 3:43:12 AM (-5 GMT), Claude scribbled:

AM>> A time. Wouldn't that time vary depending on how many messages you have
AM>> in that particular folder. I see a lot of potential problems there. I
AM>> still think that your feature is worthwhile but only workable through a
AM>> manual toggle switch or through filters.

> The  time  you  need  to  read a post vary, too, depending on how many
> lines  you  have  in it. But, after a time you've defined, it's marked
> "unread".  Did  you  have  any  problem with that? I had, from time to
> time: what I do is to hit ctrl+U and mark it unread.

Exactly, but that is one message per incident.

Suppose you get 30 messages in a folder and you are picking out the
interesting ones to read and some are long. You reach message 15 of the
new messages, while there are some twenty seen messages for later.
Suddenly there's a timeout and all the new messages are changed to
'seen.' I say, Aw shucks and have to look for the new ones to continue
reading. Wouldn't it be better if you read what you wanted to and then
at the end hit a keyboard shortcut which would label all unread messages
'seen' and not 'new' and then you move on?

Automaticity has it's problems and esp. so with your type of proposal.

> If  you  want  a  manual toggle, It may be this one, as it is a better
> priorities  management to spend time, hand working, with urgent posts,
> than to spend it with all the non-urgents.

Sure.

> In this case:
> Red (new posts in): I open the folder.
> A  time  (user  defined):  All  "new"  posts  in it are marked "seen".
>Orange.
> (If I want, for any reason, to keep one "new")
> I press ctrl+something: This particular post is marked "new". Red.

> Agreed?

Yes.

> Please notice two thing.

> 1- People who don't like this option may just act as if red and orange
>were the same color and don't make *any* change in their habits.

No, they just can't act. Multicolored folders get in the way unless they
have some useful meaning to the user.

> 2- When  I  open a red folder, I *know* that it's going to be orange.
>So, I go and see all the "new" posts.

Yes, you don't need to explain any further from your POV. I'm simply
explaining problems that may arise and annoy another user. One way of
doing this is to make it manual. This way anyone not interested in this
facility will not see any orange folders while using TB!. :)

> If  you really *hate*  this  auto  change (why not), and want a manual
> toggle,  for me I *don't* want to hand work and waste time with *each*
> non-urgent  posts.  So,  I can live with a manual toggle which changes
> *all*  the  "new"  posts  to "seen" with only *one* mouse click. Could
> you?

Sure. You read what you wish to read and then use the keyboard shortcut
that labels all unread messages 'seen'. You then move on. No need to hit
the shortcut for each message. Do you always have non-urgent messages in
each folder?

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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Claude,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 4:06:58 PM you told us:

TF>>> I  figure, if you receive messages regularly enough from someone
TF>>> and  you  want to make a filter, you will have a seperate filter
TF>>> anyway.

SH>> Yes, Shift-Ctrl-F help me a much.

C> I don't know this shortcut, what does it do?

Create new filter :-).


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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Oleg Zalyalov,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 2:08:15 PM you told us:

[ ... ]

OZ> Anyway  there is no way to avoid a hand job -- because you looking
OZ> to  folder  decides  which  message you want to read now and which
OZ> later.  All this job can be automated at high enough rate by using
OZ> folders  and filters (not only incoming ones, but read and replied
OZ> also).

Perhaps  Claude  only  read via Mail Ticker, and according him (CMIIW)
the  subject  info  is  enough  to decide the message need to response
immediately or later.


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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 9:45:02 AM Syafril Hermansyah told us:

[ ... ]

SH> I am adding :

SH> Markreplied/forward/redirect (automatically   if  we  already
SH> replied/forwarded/redirected the message).

Oops,  correction...already  implement  in  1.36  Beta/4  (perhaps  in
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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 12:15:42 PM you told us:

TF>>> I  reply to messages by time zone; Japan/Australia first, and then
TF>>> I  move  my  way  West bound through Asia, Europe, and finally the
TF>>> Americas.  So  any  message  from  Brazil I receive in the morning
TF>>> doesn't need attention until afternoon, whereas I have to reply to
TF>>> Australia  or  NZ right away, as they are two/three hours ahead of
TF>>> me  (I'm  in Taiwan). Therefore, some kind of mark for later reply
TF>>> would come in handy, even if manual.

SH>> Hai, this is nice idea. How did you filtering by timezone ?

TF> I actually sort by country and do this on the sender's domain:
TF> If "Sender" contains ".com.au" goto Australia
TF> If "Sender" contains ".de" goto Germany
TF> If "Sender" contains ".cz" goto Czech Repulic
TF> If "Sender" contains ".com.ar" goto Argentina
TF> for example.

Thanks, never though before.
As far as I can remember, there is RFC number for country code.

TF> I  figure,  if  you receive messages regularly enough from someone
TF> and  you  want  to  make a filter, you will have a seperate filter
TF> anyway.

Yes, Shift-Ctrl-F help me a much.


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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Thomas Fernandez,

On Friday, October 01, 1999, 10:07:16 AM you told us:

[ ... ]

TF> I  reply to messages by time zone; Japan/Australia first, and then
TF> I  move  my  way  West bound through Asia, Europe, and finally the
TF> Americas.  So  any  message  from  Brazil I receive in the morning
TF> doesn't need attention until afternoon, whereas I have to reply to
TF> Australia  or  NZ right away, as they are two/three hours ahead of
TF> me  (I'm  in Taiwan). Therefore, some kind of mark for later reply
TF> would come in handy, even if manual.

Hai, this is nice idea. How did you filtering by timezone ?

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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Ali Martin,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 11:27:23 PM you told us:

[ ... ]

AM>  Mark read  /Mark all messages read
AM>  Mark not read but for future reading   /Mark all unread messages not read but 
etc.
AM>  Mark unread/Mark all messages unread.

I  like  this  idea,  but  I am prefer to use "tag mark " (such "park"
mark) instead of coloring (too fancy IMHO).

I am adding :

Markreplied/forward/redirect (automatically   if  we  already
replied/forwarded/redirected the message).

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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Claude,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 10:34:47 PM you told us:

C>>> 
C>>> What I would like is to have a color (may be orange) to tell "unread
C>>> posts" and to keep red for "new posts".
C>>> 

SH>> - move  to subfolder (name it Priority-A, Priority-B and so on), make
SH>>   unread.

C> Since  it works better for my own use, I would prefer not to do all
C> this and made job. The orange folder may save a lot of my time :)))

Do  you  realize,  with this your root folder will change the color to
blue ?

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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 6:38:22 PM (-5 GMT), Claude scribbled:

AM>> What event exactly would make unread messages automatically be declared
AM>> seen and given the color orange?

> Openingthefolderwhere   they   are   during  a few seconds
> (time chosen as an option).

> Exactly like  opening  an "unread" during a few seconds makes the post
> automaticallydeclared   "read".   (you   chose   thetimein
> account_properties / options).

A time. Wouldn't that time vary depending on how many messages you have
in that particular folder. I see a lot of potential problems there. I
still think that your feature is worthwhile but only workable through a
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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 2:38:22 PM (-5 GMT), Claude scribbled:

C>>> The colors would work like that:
C>>> 1- If there is at least a "new" post in the folder: red. end.
C>>> 2- If there is at least a "seen" post in the folder: orange. end.
C>>> 3- brown. end.

WK>> That seems to make sense. I support this proposal.

Could only be implemented manually though since there are
variable reasons for calling a message seen.

What event exactly would make unread messages automatically be declared
seen and given the color orange?

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Re: Orange folders color

[Ali Martin]

Hi all,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 7:54:39 AM (-5 GMT), Alex scribbled:

OZ>> What  the  difference  between  'new'  and  'unread'?  How  TB! should
OZ>> distinguish between them?

> After getting of mail  all received messages become "new".
> After  next session all unread messages from previous session still be
> "unread", but "new" will be only messages, received in this session.

> Got it? ;-))

Well, we need a definition of what a session is.

Has a session ended when you close TB! and a new session starts when you
restart it?

Is a session ended and a new session started when new mail arrives?

Does a new session start with each check for new messages?

Does a session end when you declare it ended by hitting a switch or
something?

You see, you have to be more specific. Not everyone is on your
wavelength esp. with such an obscure wish.

Maybe you need a color codes for messages intended for reading but not
just yet and one could then add a switch in the context menus.

 Mark read  /Mark all messages read
 Mark not read but for future reading   /Mark all unread messages not read but etc.
 Mark unread/Mark all messages unread.

Your proposal is more likely to cause confusion for others. It should be
a fully manual marker because of the dilemma with what exactly a session
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Re: Orange folders color

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Claude,

On Thursday, September 30, 1999, 5:08:16 PM you told us:

C> When I get a new mail in a folder, the folder color becomes red, so I
C> know there's something new in it :)

C> But  if,  for  further  reading, I let some unread posts in it, the
C> folder color remains red: so it doesn't tell me that's *new* posts,
C> but just there's *unread* posts :(

C> 
C> What I would like is to have a color (may be orange) to tell "unread
C> posts" and to keep red for "new posts".
C> 

For now, you can do :
- If  you already read, and want read or reply later, you can "park",
  or
- move  to subfolder (name it Priority-A, Priority-B and so on), make
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Re: Orange folders color

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Hi Claude,

on Thursday, September 30, 1999, 6:08:16 PM, Claude wrote:

C> What I would like is to have a color (may be orange) to tell "unread
C> posts" and to keep red for "new posts".

While I don't care too much about colours, I do agree that a
difference between "new" and "unread" messages should be made. For
example, the Bat should "fly" only when there is a real new message.

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