Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 21:06:09 -0500 Jan Rifkinson wrote: I've been getting a # of error msgs on all kinds of programs I'm trying to sort them out to see if there is a common denominator. Looks like your system have been messed up pretty badly. Your hardware configuration is impressive (I envy you), but that won't prevent Windows are other mischievous software from messing it up quickly. If it's a new machine (looks like so) and you're just setting it up, I would suggest starting from scratch and do it right. I mentioned a freeware utility yesterday called InCtrl that would track your system changes, and I suggest using it from day one. For years it's always been the first thing I install after the OS, and then I track every move by every software installation. Since yours is a Dell machine, I bet many things have been preinstalled for you, right? That makes it even harder to debug. -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On March 20, 2001, at 7:49:00 AM, Ming-Li wrote: Since yours is a Dell machine, I bet many things have been preinstalled for you, right? That makes it even harder to debug. That is one reason I won't even look at an engineered System like Dell. If I were him, I would do as you say and start from scratch, and make sure not to install any of the junk that Dell may have given him in the form of CD's. I've never heard of InCtrl, but the concept is sound practise. Nick _ -=N.J. Andriash | Vancouver, B.C. Canada=- [ TB! v1.52 Beta 1 | Win 98 SE 4.10 A ] [ GnuPG v1.0.4-1 (MingW32) | Key ID: 0x7BA3FDCE ] __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4-1 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.60 Comment: Join PGP-Basics: [EMAIL PROTECTED] iD8DBQE6t34CxQKEdHuj/c4RAki2AKD6pj0TH7hsUprnaUtZmW/0YVHnSgCeN1ze wiOSKzE1I69cKyZ2Wly3NKE= =JgJ3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation (OT)
Hi Jan On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:06:09 -0500GMT (which was 20/03/2001, 3:06 +0100GMT for me), you wrote: JR System: JR Dell 8100 JR OS: Win Me JR CPU: Pentium 1.3 mgz JR HD: 60 gig (49 free) JR RAM: 384 meg Now that's a beautifull system, but why on earth are you running Windows ME on that? Win2k would be a much better choice IMHO, unless you're really into playing games g -- Der Immer Jodelende Schweizer In Lederhosen Roel [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Speelplein Aboe http://www.aboe.zzn.com * Brevity is the soul of lingerie. Using The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 on Windows NT 5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 1 with an Amd Athlon 700 @ 256 MB 96Gb Hd -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 11:30:31 -0500 Jan Rifkinson wrote: However, the two programs which seem to contribute most often to a system shut down have been Explorer 5.5 The Bat! That's why I brought this problem to the list to begin with. First it was the canvas handle error msg then the latest. If you (or anyone else) has a notion of how/why TB! might be in conflict by the error msg I supplied I'd appreciate your input. I'm no expert, but I'm afraid the error msg doesn't say much. Access violation could be caused by a bunch of things, and unless you have a debugger to see who is trying to access what in the memory, nothing much can be discerned from the msg per se. If I have to guess, the mapi32.dll installed by TB might be in conflict with other MAPI servers/clients, IF (and it's a big if) the problem is really caused by TB. It's just pure speculation, though. If I start from scratch, I'm considering a Win2000 installation which I understand is the most stable of the MS OS products. This will definitely cause me start from scratch as I'm told I will have to re-format my HD although I'm not sure why. If you want to use NTFS, reformatting your HD is a necessity. Otherwise, it's not. Still, it's a good idea. It makes sure you get rid of everything installed under WinME. (Win2k also use "%system drive\Program Files" as the default program directory, so if you mix two OS on one partition, you'll end up with a mixed c:\program file directory.) Another point to consider: you have a big HD, why not divide it into several partitions. At least, separating program partition and data partition would simplify backup jobs significantly. No matter, I'd be interested in DLing the 'InCtrl' utility if you can point me to your archived msg that relates to it as I'd like to read it. It's a free PC Magazine utility, and you'll find them on ZDNet. Mine is InCtrl5 version 1.0, which I'm not sure is the newest. (Could be, it's released last December.) If you want to use it on Win2k, make sure you get InCtrl5 or higher. Earlier versions have some minor problem with Win2k registry. (I believe some versions of InCtrl3 and InCtrl4 are still on ZDNet, because they're treated as different utilities, not different versions of the same utility--a stupid error by the naming scheme, IMHO.) Ming-Li Since yours is a Dell machine, I bet many things have been Ming-Li preinstalled for you, right? That makes it even harder to debug. A real PITA. A friend once called me for help for she couldn't connect to the Internet with her new Dell machine. I checked and found a hole on the back of the machine. It turned out they didn't install the NIC. The worst part was, the NIC was IN the machine; it's just not fixed on a expansion slot! IOW, it had been floating and banging around inside the machine all the way to her. So much for the no. 1 brand. :-) -- Best regards, Ming-Li The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 | Win2k SP1 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan! On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 5:30:31 PM you wrote: However, the two programs which seem to contribute most often to a system shut down have been Explorer 5.5 The Bat! That's why I brought this problem to the list to begin with. First it was the canvas handle error msg then the latest. If you (or anyone else) has a notion of how/why TB! might be in conflict by the error msg I supplied I'd appreciate your input. I can't help you directly but confirm that TB! seems to be a bit on the sensitive site concerning memory. On my machine I have a tool (FreeMem Pro) to free memory that is not used. At start up I usually free everything there is (out of 128 MB about 84 to 88 MB). If I during this process start TB! - which should not be a problem apart from taking a few more seconds - it sometimes gets an Access Violation or just plain hangs/crashes. Luckily it's only TB! and not the system, which has never crashed due to TB! as far as one can tell. If I then shut down TB! (Task Manager) and restart it, no problem anymore. Hope this will help us to find the real problem and solution. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/1 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Wenn ich mir eine Art Mensch ausdenke, die allen meinen Instinkten zuwiderluft, so wird immer ein Deutscher daraus. (Friedrich Nietzsche) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOreFxPTo1oA8g8dLEQL8KQCeOo9mgrNpqo8jhwPus/hwkJX5EgwAn1E4 KEjZrl7ogEnQLZj2Lj2TUqQD =aSaN -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
Hallo Dierk, On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 18:30:49 +0100 GMT (21/03/2001, 01:30 +0800 GMT), Dierk Haasis wrote: DH On my machine I have a tool (FreeMem Pro) to free memory that is not DH used. At start up I usually free everything there is (out of 128 MB DH about 84 to 88 MB). If I during this process start TB! - which should DH not be a problem apart from taking a few more seconds - it sometimes DH gets an Access Violation or just plain hangs/crashes. *While* starting TB? I think you shouldn't do that - FreeMem Pro (do you have an URL?) wouldn't be able to know whether it's anything that TB needs to have in memory, so it will through it out prematurely. DH If I then shut down TB! (Task Manager) and restart it, no problem DH anymore. You see? -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. The colder the X-ray table, the more of your body is required on it. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.52 Beta/1 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366Mhz, 128MB RAM -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas! On Tuesday, March 20, 2001 at 6:46:06 PM you wrote: *While* starting TB? I think you shouldn't do that - FreeMem Pro (do you have an URL?) wouldn't be able to know whether it's anything that TB needs to have in memory, so it will through it out prematurely. Well, actually FreeMem Pro can do this. Usually when I do it for other progs (and sometimes even TB!) there is no problem. AFAIR you can find it`s on my homepage (http://Write4U.de) under Extras/Computer/Systemhelfer. Oh, BTW, the reason I posted it for Jan *was* exactly that I should not fire up TB! during my first round of freeing memory. So what I did, was describing a controlled (more or less) experiment. - -- Dierk Haasis PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.52 Beta/1 Windows 95 4.0 1212 C If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy: The core element of freedom! iQA/AwUBOreP+vTo1oA8g8dLEQKazACcCtK4zE5CM/IKCKl2hA+7jpK0jSsAoPrL bU9nynLMmeSeIVP9kDHUCld2 =l33f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
Jan, I have TheBat! installed on my HP Pavilion 8754c, PIII-800/192MB/30GB, running WindowsME. I had no problems installing this application. I am currently evaluating The Bat! versus OLE 5.5 ;-) Like your DELL machine, mine came with a bunch of applications pre-installed and no stand-alone Windows ME CD-ROM (this is MS' new policy... only a set of three "restore" CD-ROMs). I do use "InCtrl 5" (do a web search and you will find it... a ZD Net application). It is a great tool to track what is being placed where and what is being changed during an installation. Sorry about the lack of info regarding your "access violation" problem, but I wanted to mention that The Bat! does work great in Windows ME. By the way, if your computer is brand new (i.e. no new stuff), it might be worthwhile to run your "DELL system restore CDs"... maybe something went awry? Bruno (Oceanside, California) - Original Message - From: "Jan Rifkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation OK Bat Fans, Here's a test. Tell me what the following means what some possible causes might be: 'Access Violation @ address BFF6BB07, Write of address 009DF750' System: Dell 8100 OS: Win Me CPU: Pentium 1.3 mgz HD: 60 gig (49 free) RAM: 384 meg I've been getting a # of error msgs on all kinds of programs I'm trying to sort them out to see if there is a common denominator. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
Jan, I have TheBat! installed on my HP Pavilion 8754c, PIII-800/192MB/30GB, running WindowsME. I had no problems installing this application. I am currently evaluating The Bat! versus OLE 5.5 ;-) Like your DELL machine, mine came with a bunch of applications pre-installed and no stand-alone Windows ME CD-ROM (this is MS' new policy... only a set of three "restore" CD-ROMs). I do use "InCtrl 5" (do a web search and you will find it... a ZD Net application). It is a great tool to track what is being placed where and what is being changed during an installation. Sorry about the lack of info regarding your "access violation" problem, but I wanted to mention that The Bat! does work great in Windows ME. By the way, if your computer is brand new (i.e. no new stuff), it might be worthwhile to run your "DELL system restore CDs"... maybe something went awry? Bruno (Oceanside, California) - Original Message - From: "Jan Rifkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation OK Bat Fans, Here's a test. Tell me what the following means what some possible causes might be: 'Access Violation @ address BFF6BB07, Write of address 009DF750' System: Dell 8100 OS: Win Me CPU: Pentium 1.3 mgz HD: 60 gig (49 free) RAM: 384 meg I've been getting a # of error msgs on all kinds of programs I'm trying to sort them out to see if there is a common denominator. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation
Jan, I have TheBat! installed on my HP Pavilion 8754c, PIII-800/192MB/30GB, running WindowsME. I had no problems installing this application. I am currently evaluating The Bat! versus OLE 5.5 ;-) Like your DELL machine, mine came with a bunch of applications pre-installed and no stand-alone Windows ME CD-ROM (this is MS' new policy... only a set of three "restore" CD-ROMs). I do use "InCtrl 5" (do a web search and you will find it... a ZD Net application). It is a great tool to track what is being placed where and what is being changed during an installation. Sorry about the lack of info regarding your "access violation" problem, but I wanted to mention that The Bat! does work great in Windows ME. By the way, if your computer is brand new (i.e. no new stuff), it might be worthwhile to run your "DELL system restore CDs"... maybe something went awry? Bruno (Oceanside, California) - Original Message - From: "Jan Rifkinson" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 6:06 PM Subject: TB! v1.51 - Access Violation OK Bat Fans, Here's a test. Tell me what the following means what some possible causes might be: 'Access Violation @ address BFF6BB07, Write of address 009DF750' System: Dell 8100 OS: Win Me CPU: Pentium 1.3 mgz HD: 60 gig (49 free) RAM: 384 meg I've been getting a # of error msgs on all kinds of programs I'm trying to sort them out to see if there is a common denominator. TIA -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA Using TB! v1.51 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
