Re[2]: Fixed or variable width?

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Tuesday, September 26, 2000, Thomas Fernandez wrote to Karin Spaink on TBUDL about
Fixed or variable width?:

TF> Hallo Karin,

TF> On Mon, 25 Sep 2000 22:50:27 +0200 GMT (26/09/2000, 04:50 +0800 GMT),
TF> Karin Spaink wrote:

KS>> ... while other users believe that they know quite well what
KS>> they're doing when using prop fonts (and won't even conceive
KS>> of justifying a paragraph while using proportional fonts,

TF> I heard this myth a couple of times on this list. I *can* justify
TF> prop-font paragraphs in an editor called MS-Word. I do that when I
TF> want something look "pretty", like quotations to new customers.

No,  you  *can't*. You can set 'justified' in paragraph properties and
M$  Word  will justify paragraph by setting space size in a line every
other  time it will show it at the screen or at the printer. So to see
that text is justified you will need a program that will re-justify it
while displaying.


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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width?

[Gary Mort]

Hello Marck,

Monday, September 25, 2000, 2:10:51 PM, you wrote:

MDP> Hi Gary,

MDP> On 25 September 2000 at 12:09:29 GMT -0400 (which was 17:09 where I
MDP> live) Gary Mort wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "Fixed or variable width?":

GM>> ... Whats the big deal about proportional fonts? Are you referring
GM>> to sending email in HTML format?

MDP>  This  is  about Fixed Width aka mono-spaced fonts (Courier, Fixed
MDP> Sys,  Lucida  Sans  Typ,  Andale  Mono  et  al) and Variable width aka
MDP> proportional fonts (Arial, Times et al). Mono fonts means you get true
MDP> WYSIWYG  in  plain  text.

  Thanks to all for both on and offlist explanations. Now it
  makes sense. Its for those 'fancy editor thingy' reasons that
  you can't use it.  For the record: I use a spellchecker
  occassionally & try to set my client to automatically wrap text
  at 70 charectors, and a little cut and pasting on occasion.
  Thats about the extent of my editor wants.  As such, right
  justify, indent paragraph, WYSIWIG and such are just not
  relevant.  I understand others do need that capability though,
  and can understand why I am being limited so that they can use
  these functions now. :-)

MDP> WARNING: No holy font wars - I'm just informing here, okay?

Nope, no holy wars.  Displaying text in Times New Roman does not
add one iota to my usability of a program.  It just adds to my
enjoyment of reading the text.  Which is not a factor in program
decisions to me.


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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width?

[Gary Mort]

Hello A.,

Saturday, September 23, 2000, 1:36:33 PM, someone wrote:

ML>> I  see no chance for other email programs to change their default
ML>> settings,  and their users' tendency of using them (either out of
ML>> default  or  by  preference).  Nor  could I foresee a law banning
ML>> proportional  fonts  in  email.  So  the  relevant  focus of such
ML>> discussion  (on  this  list) would come down to whether TB should
ML>> support  proportional  fonts  or  not. And I would say it should,
ML>> though  I won't be upset if it's not high on RIT's priority list.
ML>> :)

ACM> Believe it or not, I'm with you on leaning towards their implementing
ACM> proportional fonts as well, because one can't and shouldn't force others
ACM> into using certain fonts. Even moreso, one shouldn't be forced to use a
ACM> particular editor for e-mail composition. As long as I can use a fixed
ACM> width font and can continue to encourage others to do the same, I'm
ACM> happy. :-)

I'm  a  bit slow. Whats the big deal about proportional fonts? Are you
referring  to  sending  email  in  HTML format? I never use HTML, just
plain  text,  so the font really doesn't matter other than for display
purposes.  Which,  I  must say, I prefer being able to set my own font
for displaying messages cause I like to look at New Times Roman and it
is not one of the choices.

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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)

[Graham]

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 14:39:22 +0800
Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> 
> Taking the "uncle" effect out of the application. After all, TB users
> are responsible grown-ups, aren't we. ;-)
> 
As a responsible adult, I WANT to use proportional fonts.  The Bat is
acting like "uncle" and preventing ME from doing so.

It would not be so bad if most of the other software out there acted
like The Bat, but they don't.  The Bat is non-standard in its approach,
is irksome to me, and I'd like the choice.

As a responsible adult :O))

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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to Oleg Zalyalov  on  TBUDL about
Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat):

ML>>> since there's no "proportional fonts only" editor/email
ML>
>> Wrong  here.  There  are  lots  of  text  mode mail clients. E.g.
>> mail clients for unix.

ML> You mean lots of text mode mail clients using "proportional fonts",
ML> and proportional fonts ONLY?

ML> I don't think so, though I would love to be proved wrong. :)

Misunderstanding, sorry. My mistake.


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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Wednesday, September 20, 2000, Ming-Li wrote to A. Curtis Martin  on  TBUDL about
Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat):

ML> since there's no "proportional fonts only" editor/email clients.
Wrong  here.  There  are  lots  of  text  mode mail clients. E.g. mail
clients for unix.

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Re[2]: Fixed or variable width? (was Re[2]: Karin and The Bat)

[Avenarius]

Thanks, Karin!

By the way, where does one download the the_bat.hlp file? It wasn't
included in the executable package when I downloaded it... nor in the
language pack (or the connection doesn't click on my machines). And
when I browse www.ritlabs.com/ftp/ with CuteFTP, I can't see the help
file anywhere... (There was only Marek Mikus's excellent Czech help
file and a similar German one.)

Alex. of Slovakia

>> How do you enable auto-format automatically? I know that within the
>> message it's CTRL+SHIFT+F.

KS> You can set that in your Preferences.
KS>Start a new message, right-click, and the one-but-last
KS> entry is Preferences. Select that, and look under the
KS> General tab. Voilà.

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