Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Johannes, Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 20:09:41, you wrote: JMP I was talking with my own experience in mind, which is the JMP 100% digital phone network in Europe. As you can get ISDN in every JMP (!!) lost corner around here, thus having digital lines for POTS as JMP well, you will always at least get 33,6kbps, which equals 4,2kb w/o JMP compression Yeah with ancient corroded copper wires to carry the *analogue* signal the modem puts out. Yes *analogue*, not *digital* this means we get crosstalk, parasitic capacitance, eddy currents and RF interference. The PSTN switching setup may be digital but between your modem and the exchange they're analgoue. Also until we get local loop unbundling it'll remain worse than poor. - -- Jamie Dainton Thursday, August 10, 2000 08:23:19 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZJY+bO9xx6V8gurEQICWQCg9jgoTd8RPmQWiUX/VSr/AVBL6g4AoNfQ hcI2XyLzV5fu3lvsrFlsMGz7 =Xh1u -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 08:55:47, you wrote: TF Especially, please do not blow your postings up to over 7K just TF because of this S/Mime. Some people pay internet charges per TF download time; this list is meant to assist people who have problems TF or questions with TB. OK 6k as opposed to 2K. That's 4K extra, on a 56K modem that's 1 second extra download time. Even for 180 messages that's only 3 minutes extra. If internet access really is so expensive that 3 minutes will break the bank then maybe high volume mailing lists are not a good idea. Flames do occur on this group. They're just very polite and subtle flames. DLDoes make you wonder if 6K is a bit big for a 5 line message ;) While not a flame this is Des trying to drop me in it for dual signing. Essentially this is more elegant than a flame, as it asks the moderators to attack someone rather than the flamer attacking them. Also as there is a S/Mime 1.45 release (sort of beta) and TBUDL will soon become a S/Mime help zone we may as well get 1.45 users familier with it. Also a lot of beta users post on TBUDL so the s/mime is easily visible to them. - -- Jamie Dainton Tuesday, August 08, 2000 09:03:38 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOY/Bd7O9xx6V8gurEQK7kACfQCDB3RAk/bQWWVCl44a07nSWef8AoLmN qlCXgC7Kd8A4sEVWuswA2DFx =ida5 -END PGP SIGNATURE- S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 09:51:38, you wrote: TF Also, it's not one message that may take longer. Take a list of 100 TF postings per day, and imagine each posting comes 4 or 5K extra. I actually made that point clear in my post and it has been snipped to falsify my opinion and allow you to make an unjustified argument. JDEven for 180 messages that's only 3 minutes extra Personally I think replies should be edited to reduce the length but not to alter the original meaning. TFNot everybody lives in the UK, you know. Yes. most people in the US/France/Japan etc get much better connections than us poor Brits. I mean have you seen our phone system. Parts of it are still clockwork g. -- Jamie Dainton Tuesday, August 08, 2000 10:07:31 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hi Thomas, On Tuesday 08/08/2000 at 10:39, you wrote: I own up. This is Jamie Dainton pretending to be Thomas. At first glance this e-mail should look like it came from him. Who really checks the headers? Same people who bother to check the signatures ;) Basically what TB needs is automatic checking/snipping of PGP, then we'll all be happy. -- Deryk Lister || ICQ 25869912 || www.deryk.co.uk Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/2 under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 on a PentiumII-400 with 128MB PGP: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=Retr%20PGP%20Key Any of my keys _under_ 3072 bit (usually on keyservers) don't work. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 10:48:05, you wrote: TF Your opinion is that it doesn't matter to you. It does matter to me. TF Please do not send S/Mime signatures. In this relase version which I TF am using here in the office, and for which this list is anyway, your TF certificate shows as a non-openable attachment and is just a waste of TF bandwidth. TF Thanks for some consideration. EOT. You appear to be a minority low bandwidth user. Many users enjoy PGP and S/Mime. I do not think it is necessary to decrease our security to accommodate the minority of users who have a very low bandwidth connection. As it has been mentioned before text does compress very well. Maybe you should double check your modem settings. -- Jamie Dainton Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:17:37 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 11:16:36, you wrote: JMP There is a S/MIME 1.45 release... TF You'll find it on the beta page ;-) It hasn't got a beta suffix though. -- Jamie Dainton Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:31:32 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Thomas, Tuesday, August 08, 2000, 11:43:24, you wrote: TF Hi Jamie, TF On Tue, 8 Aug 2000 11:19:37 +0100GMT (08/08/2000, 18:19 +0800GMT), TF Jamie Dainton wrote: TF Hear, hear. I want to know what others say to this: Is this mailing TF list only for high-bandwidth privileged users? If so, I will TF immediately withdraw and not bother the elected few any longer. IMO 3K to 4K transfer rates are not high bandwidth. We are not privileged users, this is a standard transfer rate for most standard modem users in most countries. ISDN and ASDL are high bandwidth connections as are T1-T3. 33.6 56K users are the norm. I connect to a local exchange 15 miles away, using copper wires which have not been replaced for at least 12 years, to an exchange which sometimes gives an exchange signal because we have used all the exchange capacity. In the village I live in the phone lines are frequently down during the winter as is the power. ISDN and it's many high speed variants are not available. I use a bargain basement 56K internal winModem and dial up to a free ISP. I think that proves we're not all high bandwidth users. I use S/Mime because it is natively supported by many clients. I don't use a fictitious name on mailing lists because it is important to me that people know it is me who mailed them. You may disagree and if so we should continue the signing conflict under another subject. I await your reply. - -- Jamie Dainton Tuesday, August 08, 2000 11:57:04 The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOY/pKrO9xx6V8gurEQKeMACeOKeHuBEllIHdKDRtn+PBjwXfO9oAoJrG wdGEdjuqvycj2/8CjxiH7Ial =25Pz -END PGP SIGNATURE- S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
Re[2]: OT? S/MIME PGP (inspired by: Re[2]: List server rules)
Hi Thomas, ... JD I do not think it is necessary to decrease our security to JD accommodate the minority of users who have a very low bandwidth JD connection. TF Hear, hear. I want to know what others say to this: Is this mailing TF list only for high-bandwidth privileged users? Clearly NO. I support your opinion regarding S/MIME and other bandwidth-wasting stuff. Personally I do have a reasonable fast connection (ISDN), but I consider it unpolite to blow up mails to this list with unneccessary stuff. -- Regards, Wolfgang Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA discussion lists Using The Bat! 1.45 under Windows 95 4.0 Build B in Stadtallendorf, Germany, on a 166Mhz Cyrix, 128MB SDRAM, half SCSI system ;-) http://www.wolfgang-kynast.de/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
