Re[2]: Question about The bat

[Christian]

Hi,
I am running Window-Eyes 5.5. When i tried it about a month ago i couldnt 
navigate since it didnt use standard controls for buttons, etc.
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-10-17 at 00:32 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>Hello Christian,
>
>On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 19:24:25 +0200 GMT (17/10/2006, 00:24 +0700 GMT),
>Christian wrote:
>
>C> I have been trying out the bat, but with some difficulties.
>C> Since I am visually impaired, is it possible to change the
>C> programs look to a more windows classic? The dialogs are not very
>C> accessible to me with my screen reader.
>
>Which screenreader are you using? TB should be accessible by now.
>
>--
>
>Cheers,
>Thomas.
>
>On a Korean kitchen knife... Warning: Keep out of children.
>http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/
>
>Message reply created with The Bat! 3.85.03
>under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re[2]: Question from a new user

[Christian]

Hello Alexander and all others,
Many thanks for your reply!
I'd be interested in the Pro version then. Will have a look and see how it is!
Finally, messages can be displaied as plain text? Dont want any javascript or 
melicious code to be executed.
Many thanks,
Christian


On 2006-06-24 at 18:59 Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

>Hello Christian & everyone else,
>
>on 24-Jun-2006 at 18:26 you (Christian) wrote:
>
>> I have a question about the latest version of The Bat. From what I
>> understand the folders and all of its content is encrypted by The Bat
>> is this correct?
>
>It depends. The home license doesn't offer that functionality. With the
>pro license, you can encrypt the entire messagebase, either with a
>password, or with the help of a hardware token.
>
>> Also, is there some auto responder capability of The Bat?
>
>Sure. You can create a catch-all filter that creates an automatic reply,
>for example. Combined with the very powerful template/macro system, you
>have a lot of possibilities.
>
>--
>Best regards,
> Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de)
>
>NP: "The Orange Theme (Remix)" by Cygnus X
>(from the 1995 album "Hypermetrical")
>
>
>
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Re[2]: Question Re: Headers

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Thomas,
Wednesday, February 8, 2006, 7:24:35 PM, you wrote:

> No such header in the RFCs. This means that no email client would do
> what you wish. The only possibility is to "code" something into your
> message ID, but some clients would not even return the references.

OK thanks. It was just a thought , but I guess it wouldn't work.

-- 
 Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re[2]: Question re: restoring the "lost toolbar" within messages that I open to read.

[rich gregory]

BD>> I inadvertently "set" some settings which removed the "toolbar" from
BD>> within each message when the message is displayed/
MDP> This happens if you drag the toolbar to a 'floating' position.
BD>> ... nothing that jumped out and grabbed me with the solution.  So
BD>> ... if someone would be kind enough to give me a hint, I'd
BD>> appreciate it.
MDP> Not exactly an FAQ. I just did the same as you and got it back by
MDP> closing TB then using regedit to go to HKCU/Software/RIT/The
MDP> Bat!/Viewer Toolbars and I deleted the tbTools sub-key in that
MDP> branch. Reloaded TB and the toolbar was back.


Re: editing the registry for this sort of thing...  What are the
chances that TB! might ever store it's config settings in an .INI file
so that EACH & EVERY setting can be edited in a plain text editor?


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Re[2]: Question re: restoring the "lost toolbar" within messages that I open to read.

[Dirigo]

Thanks Robin and Chris re: the docking manuever suggestion.  I'm a bit
tired right now, so I'll do that tomorrow ... earlier Marck had given
me a suggestion re: regedit and The Bat!'s Toolbar entries ... following his
instructions, I was able to get the toolbar back to where I like it.

What a great list!!! Proving once again, there's more than one way to
solve a problem (I created!).

Good night all.

-- 

Dirigo

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Re[2]: Question re: restoring the "lost toolbar" within messages that I open to read.

[Dirigo]

MDP wrote:

MDP> This happens if you drag the toolbar to a 'floating' position.

Sounds like I did that!  I'm capable!

BD>> ... nothing that jumped out and grabbed me with the solution.  So
BD>> ... if someone would be kind enough to give me a hint, I'd
BD>> appreciate it.

MDP> Not exactly an FAQ. I just did the same as you and got it back by
MDP> closing TB then using regedit to go to HKCU/Software/RIT/The
MDP> Bat!/Viewer Toolbars and I deleted the tbTools sub-key in that
MDP> branch. Reloaded TB and the toolbar was back.

Thank you, Sir!!! This did the trick. I've saved these steps away as a
TB Toolbar Note for future reference ... now if I can only learn not to
"drag the toolbar". I did take a look into the tbTools sub-key folder
before deleting it and most definitely was set up to "float".

Thanks again, Marck

-- 

Dirigo

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Re[2]: Question re: restoring the "lost toolbar" within messages that I open to read.

[Dirigo]

>> I know about selecting View and then
>> Toolbar and having a Toolbar pop up which can be used while reading an
>> email, but I prefer the toolbar embedded in each email I read.

C> So opening a message from the message list, selecting View -> Toolbar,
C> closing the message, and then opening the or another message does not restore
C> the toolbar for you? Weird...

The first time I open a message, there is NO toolbar displayed within
the message or by itself separately.  Not until I take the selection
steps of View, then Toolbar, does a toolbar show up, but it is
displayed as a completely SEPARATE toolbar window.  Close the message
and the separate toolbar window goes away.

When the same message or another message is then reopened, again,
after taking the steps of View -> Toolbar, a completely SEPARATE
toolbar window is displayed along with and above the message itself;
however, what I had before was the "toolbar" actually displayed WITHIN
the individual messages thenselves ... much like (similar to) The Bat!
itself when it is open. Hopefully my description is clear, but, if
not, keep pinging me until I make myself clear.

I obviously stumbled/clicked something to cause this situation, but I
have no idea what!

Thanks.

-- 

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Re[2]: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.

[Dirigo]

kg> ken green wrote:

kg> This list is very helpful.  I honestly don't think The Bat would survive
kg> without it (only because the program itself is so complex and full of
kg> features, that without some guidance - this list - new users would never
kg> begin to appreciate it).

I agree wholeheartedly.  I find new things all the time and I know
there's more yet to be discovered.  If something doesn't seem to do
what I want, I usually find a work-around or live without it as I
really do like the product.  But what makes it relatively easy for me
is this list.  I read almost every message and think about what is
being asked and answered.  Now, I don't necessarily understand all of
it, but ... give me time ... I'll certainly try.  I've read quite a
few of the archive messages as well.  It a good archive setup too.
But I sometimes get frustrated because I don't necessarily come up
with a good search argument and get "nada", but I know, in my heart,
there's something in that archive that might help me!

kg> I didn't see a signature at all on your last post.  The format is:
kg> two dashes + space + new line

Thanks ... sheepish grin here ;>))  I had updated the message
template, but not the reply template as of that sending.  Hopefully,
this go around you will see it.

kg> Anything you put after that will be cut off by the Bat when someone
kg> replies.

Imderstand.

kg> I don't think you'd get booted for formatting mistakes.  Publicly
kg> chastised perhaps, but not booted ;)

kg> Actually, the moderator's methods for enforcing list rules are the best
kg> I've seen (quick and direct, but not arrogant or mean-spirited).

Again, I agree with you here. I've seen their "friendly reminder
"messages and thought, while reading it, they were courteous, very
thorough in their explanation.  They're a classy bunch IMHO.  Again,
thanks.












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Re[2]: Question re: specifying temp location when The Bat!'s email messages are temporarily downloaded when being popped.

[Dirigo]

kg> ken green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

kg> Chris' explanation was thorough (although not really answering your
kg> question, which was to move TB temp files to a TB temp folder).

kg> What you are talking about is an OS issue, not a Bat issue. So, to do
kg> exactly what you were asking, it's not possible unless you want
kg> D:\BatTemp as the Temp folder for all programs you use (and I don't
kg> think that's what you want).

Yes, I recognize it is not a Bat issue.  Also, while reading Chris's
suggestions I recognized that it would become a Temp folder for all
programs.  While I would love to be able to just have a Bat only temp
folder, alas, it is not to be.

kg> FWIW, I usually move my system temp folder over to D: so I am doing what
kg> Chris recommends.  But this affects all programs and not just TB.

I can live with this.  Thanks, Ken, for your additional comments to
make sure I understood what the implications of following Chris'
suggestions.  Like you, I can live with it!

Thanks again, as I really like this list of very helpful people. Now,
let's hope I added the signature block properly (the "-- ")in the
reply template. I don't want to be booted!! ;>))  Testing ... Testing






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Re[2]: Question on copying

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Wednesday, January 14, 2004, 12:43:42 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> What do you mean by "alternative Windows editor?" and how can I use
>> the standard, bug-free editor?

TF> Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor / Default message text editor.

Thomas,

Right now, it is set for Plain Text (MicroEd) Micro Star Compatible.
Are you suggesting that I change it to Plain Text (Windows) Windows
Compatible? Other than my problem of copying that has been solved,
what are the pluses and minuses of MicroEd over Windows?

Thanks.

Leonard S. Berkowitz
-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is my current official address but for you address book, please use:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re[2]: Question on copying

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:21:23 PM, Chris wrote:

C> Do you know under what circumstances it happens, or does it "just
C> happen?"

It happens when I try to copy text from an incoming message, always.

Here is a scenario: Another list to which I subscribe uses the L-Soft
Listserv product. I send a search message. The listserv responds with
extracts of archived messages that qualify, and even sends me the
command to obtain all of the:

GETPOST listname 123456 234567 345678 456789

I'd like to copy that command and paste it into a new message back to
the listserv rather than going the F4 route. When I paste into a new
message, what is pasted is what was on my clipboard previously.

Meanwhile, Allie Martin's suggestion has helped.

Leonard S. Berkowitz
-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re[2]: Question on copying

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Tuesday, January 13, 2004, 10:25:38 PM, Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Try right clicking the selected text instead of using the 'edit' menu.
AM> The copy option is there and active.

Thanks. That worked.

What do you mean by "alternative Windows editor?" and how can I use
the standard, bug-free editor?

Leonard S. Berkowitz
-- 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is my current official address but for you address book, please use:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]



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Re[2]: Question about macro, filter template library

[Pixie]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 22:22:25 +1000 GMT, Tim wrote:

T> ON another note, the specific example filters you linked to are for
T> eliminating spam. I suggest installing POPFile, setting up a filter
T> for the POPFile X-Text-Classification header, and forgetting these
T> other spam filters.

I'll give POPFile a look. Seems pretty neat.

Along these lines, I was looking at the Actions & Advanced tabs and
there seems to be no way to specify an address book in the 'add to
address book' settings.  Isn't there a way to specify an address
book or is  the only option?

-- Pixie
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Re[2]: Question about macro, filter template library

[Pixie]

On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 05:56:31 -0500 GMT, Allie Martin wrote:

AM> Now open sorting office filters, right click on the filter set you wish
AM> to import the filter to and select paste.

Now isn't that too simple!  I'd been looking at the input panel after
I hit new, scratching head, looking at example thinking I must be
missing something. :-)

I would never had thought to paste to the inbox folder icon to create
the rule.

I find it amusing that the "Save your time - Extend your life!" sloagn
for TB is my goal, if I can survive learning how to use it! 

BTW: I dunno what the deal with email is/was or why it seemed to be
out to lunch for a few hours.  I sent the original message once and
roughtly 3 hours later I had not gotten a copy back from the list. So
there may be a dupe showing up -sometime- in the list.

-- Pixie
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Re[2]: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP

[Anne]

Friday, March 28, 2003, 3:15:12 PM, Kim wrote:

K> What I'm wondering is in the "Pro" version of Kaspersky, where do they
K> classify The Bat plug-in? Is it grouped under the Mail Checker part
K> (which in Personal is just for Outlook), or is it in another element
K> of the program? Would either of you happen to know? I'd like to avoid
K> that particular DLL file, if possible.


Hi Kim,

The AV plugin for TB! is a COM-based one it says - and you actually
install it from within TB! not from within Kaspersky. To do this you
need to go to the Options menu » Virus Protection » Add Virus Checking
plugins section and click the Add button. You'll be given the option
to add an external plugin (.bav extension) or the Kaspersky one. Select
the Kaspersky one and it'll be automatically installed. Then you just
need to set the options you want in the rest of the tab... i.e. scan
incoming/outgoing, and how to deal with infected mails, attachments,
etc... Next time you launch TB! you'll see the mail plugin load as
well as TB! BTW don't forget to turn off the real time scaner from
checking mail databases/plain text mails if it's enabled already.

-- 
Cheers,
 Anne

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Re[2]: Question About The Bat Structure and Temp Files in XP

[Anne]

Friday, March 28, 2003, 12:39:12 AM, Kim wrote:

K> Wow...I didn't realize that. I figured that my Personal license only
K> worked with the Personal version and below.

I didn't either until I tried the Pro version and realised that is
just what happens ;-)  Apparently the licence is what enables the
various features.

K> Thanks for the info! I appreciate your help.

You're very welcome :-)

K> BTW, do you use the Personal or Personal Pro version of Kaspersky? If
K> it is Pro, do you find the extras in the Pro version worth the extra
K> $50?

I still use Personal version at the moment but will be upgrading to
Pro on renewal - simply because we'll be changing our various
individual A/V licences for a multi-user KAV Per Pro one to cover the
network - will be a tad more than 99$ for us though!!! ;-) For an
individual user I very much doubt that the upgrade is worth doing to
be honest. It seems to be more aimed at networked PC's. I haven't
found anything else in Pro that won't work in Personal except the
network facilities. Others using the Pro may be able to add more info
though.

-- 
Cheers,
 Anne

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Re[2]: Question

[David Calvarese]

Hello ~John,

Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 3:24:57 PM, you wrote:


~> Its easy to do with a CD-R

~> --

~> ~John

~> - - - David Calvarese wrote - - -
D>> That's kinda hard to do to a floppy.
~> - - - End of David Calvarese's message - - -

Yeah, but one of the computers doesn't have a CDR/CDRW drive in it otherwise I would 
have used that solution.


-- 
Best regards,
 Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Question

[David Calvarese]

Hello ~John,

Wednesday, February 19, 2003, 2:21:31 PM, you wrote:


~> I just backup the whole "theBat!" directory as well as the registry
~> entries. I have used theBat's backup feature before, but was very
~> disapointed in it later when I tried to restore everything.

~> --

~> ~John

~> - - - David Calvarese wrote - - -
D>> Here's a question...

D>> When I do a tools/backup in TB, does it back up the filters?  What else does it 
back up?

~> - - - End of David Calvarese's message - - -

That's kinda hard to do to a floppy.  


-- 
Best regards,
 Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build  2600
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Re[2]: Question about greyed out signatures

[lists]

Hi Marck,

Bingo! That's it. Thanks a bunch!

PS: I haven't movified THIS template yet to add the cut mark! :-)


Best regards,

Scott A. Blystone
Rochester, New York


Thursday, February 6, 2003, 8:58:15 AM, you wrote:

MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP> Hash: SHA1

MDP> Hi Scott,

MDP> @6-Feb-2003, 08:12 -0500 (13:12 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SAB] in
MDP> [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

SAB>> Most  of  the  messages  I see on this list have the signtaure
SAB>> and footer in a light greyed out text. It looks quite sharp.
SAB>> When I send myself a message I am unable to duplicate this
SAB>> effect. Is this a function of The Bat! (something I'm missing),
SAB>> or is it something out illustrious moderator is doing? Thanks.

MDP> Two things:

MDP> 1) The editor doesn't show "rich text" formatting, so you won't see
MDP>the fancy sig display while composing a message.

MDP> 2) To be a signature, the signature text has to be separated from
MDP>the body text by a "cut mark". There's quite a good explanation
MDP>of the cut mark in the help file but to "cut" a long story short
MDP> it is . Like mine would have
MDP>been if PGP hadn't fooled around with it!

MDP> - --
MDP> Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
MDP> TB! v1.63 Beta/5 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2
MDP> '
MDP> -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
MDP> Version: GnuPG v1.2.1rc1-nr1 (Windows 2000)

MDP> iD8DBQE+Qmn4OeQkq5KdzaARAh4SAKCGmT7kLKMez7XBSO6xnTBFZJLU5ACePoNo
MDP> GVnw2Y52nkD/cAt22oxY6q4=
MDP> =dE8x
MDP> -END PGP SIGNATURE-



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Re[2]: Question about greyed out signatures

[lists]

Hi Jurgen,

Perhaps  I'm  not explaining myself well. I actually do not care what the text
looks  like  as  I compose it. I'm speaking about the end result, the received
message  after  I  send  it.  When  I  look at most of the posts I see on this
reflector  (except  for the one you just sent), I see that the signatures come
out  in  a  very light greyed-out text. I wish to duplicate that effect in the
messages I send out. Does this clarify what I mean? Thanks.


Best regards,

Scott A. Blystone
Rochester, New York


Thursday, February 6, 2003, 8:46:29 AM, you wrote:


JH> Hello to Rochester,

JH> to get this straight... Your problem is that you want to see those
JH> color effects (like the light grey for the sig part) in your EDITOR,
JH> when you actually WRITE a message? or that you can't see that effect
JH> when you look at messages that you wrote?

JH> Jürgen




JH> Thursday, February 6, 2003, 2:35:14 PM, you wrote:


>> Thanks  for the answer, but it answers the wrong question. I already HAVE that
>> option  selected.  My  changes  need,  I  think,  to be in the EDITOR, not the
>> viewer.




>> Thursday, February 6, 2003, 8:23:01 AM, you wrote:


CK>>> Hello,
CK>>> Adjust your Options -> Preferences ->Viewer -> Rich Text/HTML.

CK>>> Now it should be nicer.
CK>>> I hope it helps.





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Re[2]: Question about greyed out signatures

[lists]

Hi Csaba,

Thanks  for the answer, but it answers the wrong question. I already HAVE that
option  selected.  My  changes  need,  I  think,  to be in the EDITOR, not the
viewer.


Best regards,

Scott A. Blystone
Rochester, New York


Thursday, February 6, 2003, 8:23:01 AM, you wrote:


CK> Hello,
CK> Adjust your Options -> Preferences ->Viewer -> Rich Text/HTML.

CK> Now it should be nicer.
CK> I hope it helps.
CK> --
CK> Best regards,
CK> 
CK>Csaba Kiss
CK>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
CK>  tel:+4687286259
CK>   fax:+468330498
CK> 

CK> This message was created on Thursday, February 6, 2003.

CK> Thursday, February 6, 2003, 2:12:30 PM, you wrote:

lsu>> Hi All,

lsu>> I've  been  a  very  happt  The  Bat! user for only a few short weeks, and I'm
lsu>> trying  to  learn all I can about the application. My questions is, I believe,
lsu>> simple, yet I cannot seem to find the answer to it.

lsu>> Most  of  the  messages  I see on this list have the signtaure and footer in a
lsu>> light greyed out text. It looks quite sharp. When I send myself a message I am
lsu>> unable to duplicate this effect. Is this a function of The Bat! (something I'm
lsu>> missing), or is it something out illustrious moderator is doing? Thanks.

lsu>> Best regards,

lsu>> Scott A. Blystone
lsu>> Rochester, New York

lsu>> "I sometimes wonder if the manufacturers of foolproof items keep a fool or two
lsu>> on their payroll to test things." - Alan Coren


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Re[2]: Question regarding URL links in TB

[Mark Wieder]

Roelof-

I don't think redirection really has anything to do with this.

If I (as the spammer) send out a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and I
find that someone followed through with a url click that verified the
existence an activity at that address, then anything else that I send
to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will also get to you. Doesn't matter how many
levels of indirection have taken place in between - it's the same path
both times.

The encoded url just serves to put a flag in the database that
validates the starting point for your email address.

-Mark Wieder

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Re[2]: Question regarding URL links in TB

[Mike Alexander]

Hi Peter,

Wednesday, January 29, 2003, 10:42:52 PM, you wrote:

PM> Hi Roelof,

PM> on Wed, 29 Jan 2003 23:22:42 +0100GMT (29.01.03, 23:22 +0100GMT here),
PM> you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

c>>>   When we double click a link within TB and it opens a browser,
c>>>   does that website get any info about our email address etc?

RO>> No.

PM> I'm afraid you can't say this categorically...

PM> How about image links like this:
PM> http://69.6.60.19/stamrxddaem1/gsrx.html?f=JGQQI46128TAUUI27861NBIIU30853PXGGUX

PM> It is an actual one from one spam I got. For safety reasons I cut off the
PM> last five digits, because for "them" it contains my e-mail address. When
PM> you call it with your browser, even from within TB! it will use this
PM> address and so confirm...

Like anything else, it's best not to use spyware in the first place.
Try taking a trip to www.spywareinfo.com and get on their mailing
list. Then go to http://spybot.eon.net.au/ and download Spybot S&D and
check out your system. You may be amazed at what it finds :)


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Re[2]: question 2

[Daniel Hirning]

In  reply  to Miguel's message 'question 2' on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:35:49
+0100 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

Miguel,

>> Victor,

MAU> Check your reply template, I'm not Victor :-)

mawh!! - after a good 5 minutes of staring at the reply template with me
going 'WTF is going on here' i finally realised there is an address book
entry  with  your  email  address, and victor's name... NO idea how that
happened, but least it wasn't my templates ;)

MAU> Of  course  but,  would  you  force  a friend to drink coffee if he
MAU> doesn't like it?

I wouldn't have a friend that didn't drink coffee ;-)

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Re[2]: question 2

[Daniel Hirning]

In  reply  to Miguel's message 'question 2' on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 13:20:52
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Victor,

MAU> Yes,  I  know.  But  if  you like tea and I like coffee there is no
MAU> reason in discussing which is better :-)

of  course not because absolutely everybody knows coffee is the superior
drink ;-)

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Re[2]: question 2

[Tony Evans]

Hello Daniel,

Sunday, December 15, 2002, 12:44:52 PM, you wrote:

DH> In  reply  to  Tony's  message 'question 2' on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:39:16
DH> +1100 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

DH> Tony,

TE>> I  don't  get the flapping horse wings telling me I have new mail as
TE>> it  is  no longer in the inbox, however with the bat, I have to read
TE>> the  spam  before  TB stops flapping, is there a workaround for this
TE>> please?

DH> In your filter that is moving the spam to its specific folder, click the
DH> 'Actions'  tab,  and click 'mark message as read' - its the first option
DH> on the tab.

DH> having  said that, its not what i do. - I have disabled the flapping bat
DH> (it  use  to cause problems once upon a time) - and use the mail ticker.
DH> You  can  select what messages are displayed on the mail ticker by right
DH> clicking the mail ticker, or properties of each folder.

DH> Learn  to  use  the mail ticker, it took me a long time to 'like it' but
DH> now I think its one of the best features of the bat...


Thanks to BOTH you and Mark for your suggestions, sometimes its the
simplest things, (runs and hides with head down)

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Re[2]: question one

[Tony Evans]

Hello Daniel,

Sunday, December 15, 2002, 12:41:42 PM, you wrote:

DH> In  reply  to Tony's message 'question one' on Sun, 15 Dec 2002 12:36:05
DH> +1100 from [EMAIL PROTECTED]:



DH> I have always found the easiest way to convert between mail programs
DH> is  to  set  up  your own IMAP mail server temporarily and just drag the
DH> messages over between the server.

I'm sure you give me way to much credit :-)  If this is a simple thing
to do I'm happy to give it a go

DH> Doesn't Mercury do this?

I thought Mercury was a server based app, I am a desktop user

DH> Failing  that, using Outlook Express as an in-between conversion is also
DH> remarkably helpful at times.

Ok I'm even happy to try that but I still need to convert my Pegasus 4
boxes to Outlook Express :-(

DH> Other  than  that, I have no other suggestions, I also was an ex-Pegasus
DH> user until i discovered The Bat, but this was before v4, and I never had
DH> any problems converting that i can remember :)

Yes the Bat looks a very nice app indeed




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Re[2]: question how to tell if a message has norton file attached?

[alists]

Hello Roelof,

Thursday, October 17, 2002, 5:28:20 PM, you wrote:

RO> Hallo Laura,

RO> On Thu, 17 Oct 2002 16:04:15 -0700GMT (18-10-02, 1:04 +0200GMT, where
RO> I live), you wrote:

RO> awc>   is there a way to tell if norton antivirus detected a virus in
RO> awc>   a message and filter it to some other folder based on the
RO> awc>   attachment name containing "norton antivirus"?

RO> It seems highly unlikely to me that any virus scanner should react on
RO> the name of an attachment.



oh perhaps i didn't make myself clear. when norton finds a virus
in the email, it puts an attachment on the document named norton
antivirus when it does the quaranteen.. so i was hoping that
there was some way to do something based on an attachment name,
etc. I can think of countless other ways to utilize this... but
this one is most important. I get tons of this and want to force
a delete...if it had a virus.

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Re[2]: question about create models for emails and creating rules to send them auto...

[Heijo Alting]

Hi tbudl,

RO> Now you're done.
I created the kind of incoming messages filter with automatic reply
Roelof describes, and additionally entered a folder (on the "Rule" tab »
the "Move messages to folder" box) in which the automatically replied
messages are organized. This works fine.

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Re[2]: Question

[DG Raftery Sr.]

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Greetings Marck,

On Monday, July 22, 2002, 6:39:07 PM, you wrote:

Marck> Others have experienced problems that were categorically and provably
Marck> caused by ZA. ZA has affected other software in bad ways too, not just
Marck> TB. Although it may not have bitten you yet, please don't devalue
Marck> the advice given by experts who know how it can cause problems.

Part of my professional field is testing software firewall protection in
workstation and desktop environments. I also test those within the
server realm but for the scope of this thread I will remain with the
workstation/desktop scenario. Under basic testing ALL personal/desktop
software firewall solutions have been observed casing issues related to
LAN/WAN connectivity and speed, problems with some other applications when
coding and memory allocation conflicts arise and a host of other technical
problems. The issue is what may work for you may not for another, based on
networking issues, software/application issues and believe it or not,
hardware/peripheral issues.

All freeware/shareware personal firewalls provide adequate protection and
stability based on performance. All do NOT run flawlessly on every system
based on installed hardware, software or operating system.

IMPO a home/SOHO user should test each for a determined length of time,
gauge performance and application conflict issues and settle on the
firewall solution that 1] offers the highest degree of stability and 2]
offers them confidence that the firewall solution is performing it's
mission.

Anyway...

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Re[2]: Question

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On Tuesday, 23 July 2002 at 12:43 p.m. ETM wrote: 

E> I used ZA-pro (OLD version, that appears to be an important
E> distinction, I do not have a single thing nice to say about the
E> current paid version) on a PC using Win98SE, I use the free version
E> of ZA on a laptop using ME. Both work with the older versions and
E> offer no conflict to TB.

At the risk of further offending anyone here, I should point out that
I am currently still using the previous version of ZAP (v.2.6.362),
and my experience with *that* version is what I based my previous
comments on.

I will agree that the latest version leaves much to be desired from
what I have seen, which is why I have refused to upgrade, so perhaps
there *is* a distinction between the two, as you suggest above.


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Re[2]: Question

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MDP> Although it may not have bitten you yet, please don't devalue the
MDP> advice given by experts who know how it can cause problems.

Actually Marck, I don't consider that my comments in any way devalued
*any* advice given by *anyone*. All I posted was my personal opinion
based on my personal experience with ZAP.

If personal experiences and opinions are not welcome on this list,
then perhaps you should post to that effect in the list rules.


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Re[2]: Question

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E> Yes, it is fully detailed there, and the problems primarily involve
E> the paid version rather than the free version. I use ZA free with
E> absolutely no problems with TB.

And I use Zone Alarm Pro with TB! with absolutely no problems either!
:-)

I personally doubt that the problems are caused by ZAP.


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Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Lynn,
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:00:08 -0700, you wrote:

> Thanks ..
> 
> Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to
> identify which information is forged, and which genuine?

Take a quick look at the headers... some (helpful) mail servers put in "may be
forged" headers along with the details.  This is often a good sign that the
spammer attempted to claim the message was from a source it wasn't.  For
example:

Received: from caramail.com (host-213-131-71-117.link.com.eg [213.131.71.117]
(may be forged))
by vampire.certiflexdimension.com (8.11.2/8.11.6) with SMTP id g5NDbnM09140
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sun, 23 Jun 2002 08:37:51 -0500

Notice the line says it's from caramail.com, then has the real host details of a
dial up connection in the brackets... clearly the spammer attempted to forge the
header, but the mail server pointed it out.  But apart from actually sitting
there, and processing them, no real quick way.  I guess you could submit it to
spamcop, and get spamcop to do all the header processing for you, and when you
have the details, cancel the report... just an idea ;)

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Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Lynn,
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:39:20 -0700, you wrote:

[snip]

> I have no problem with the command line, but it's not
> clear to me how this helps with a header that contains
> only my mail address in the header, in both the 'from' and
> 'to' positions .. or will it extract the *actual* sender's
> ip location, rather than mine?

Try looking at the Full headers for the email... The From: header is easily
forged, as you can tell, and can also be guessed from the recent Klez virus (or
99% of spam) ;)  By tracing down the recieved headers, you can work out the path
it took, and ultimately the senders ISP, providing they didn't use some obscure
proxy server to send through.

> If so, this might help me track an email for a friend
> which we suspect contains a forged sender location.

As I said the From is easily forged, but often the path the email took cannot be
forged.
 
> I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the
> mail) was the originator ... no?

Yes... I think that is what I said, probably said it in the wrong way though.  I
have a habbit of doing that sometimes ;)

> Thanks for the input!

Glad I could help a little :)

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Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Lynn Turriff]

Sunday, June 23, 2002, 8:42:50 PM, you wrote:

TF> Hello Lynn,

TF> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 20:39:20 -0700 GMT (24/06/02, 10:39 +0700 GMT),
TF> Lynn Turriff wrote:

LT>> I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the
LT>> mail) was the originator ... no?

TF> Yes. But some spammers put fill in some forged additional Received
TF> lines, so that the real info is somewhere in the middle. In order to
TF> find that "injection point", who have to compare a few mails' headers.

Thanks ..

Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to
identify which information is forged, and which genuine?


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Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Lynn Turriff]

Sunday, June 23, 2002, 10:50:29 AM, you wrote:

JA> Hi Lynn,
JA> On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 10:27:26 -0700, you wrote:

>> I gather that only someone with SpamCop's resources has
>> any chance of figuring out where the thing really came
>> from ..?

JA> Depends on how easy you find it to type a command, or
JA> use a website. View the headers for the email, follow
JA> the Recieved: header lines, the ones closer to the top
JA> are the ones closer to you. The one you're more
JA> interested in, is the first Recieved: header, which
JA> *should* give you an IP address that connected to the
JA> mail server to send the mail. Then use a resource such
JA> as http://samspade.org and in the "Do Stuff" box, put
JA> that IP address in. Samspade then runs numerous
JA> queries, and *should* be able to tell you which
JA> network the user connected from, and contact details
JA> for that block of IP addresses. That is basically all
JA> spamcop does, just saves you a fair bit of work :)

[snip]

JA> Hope this gives you a hint as in how the system works.

I have no problem with the command line, but it's not
clear to me how this helps with a header that contains
only my mail address in the header, in both the 'from' and
'to' positions .. or will it extract the *actual* sender's
ip location, rather than mine?

If so, this might help me track an email for a friend
which we suspect contains a forged sender location.

I thought the last routing (closest to the body of the
mail) was the originator ... no?


Thanks for the input!

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Re: Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Jonathan Angliss]

Hi Joseph,
On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 13:05:49 -0500, you wrote:

> You mean how the system *should* work.  It works like that for your
> mail and mine, and for the legitimate commercial mail we receive.  But
> it doesn't work like that for most UBE that comes from fly-by-night
> senders.  Sometimes the originating IP addresses belong to responsible
> ISP's like Yahoo!, which might act to restrict their being used in the
> spam chain.  But more often the originating addresses are offshore
> relay points, i.e., not *really* the origination points.

Actually, all email has an IP address assigned by the mail server, even if open
relays etc.  You'd still be able to track down the sending server, and then the
originating IP address, otherwise a service such as spamcop would be completely
useless.  Often spammers try to add fake received headers, claiming they're from
hotmail/yahoo, but the IP addresses are often not the same, which is why spamcop
does chain test, and does a DNS, then an rDNS on the IP address/host found in
the email.  There are two situations where the IP address in the headers would
not be the real senders, and that'd be an exploited server mail script such as
formmail.pl (I've personally been a victim to this one, as one of our clients
was running it), or where somebody has used an open proxy port to 'bounce' mail
through it.  In the former situation, with spamcop, the offending server is
notified of the bad script (it is often easy to spot bad formmail script useage
by the headers, when an email comes from root@localhost or nobody@localhost, or
in my case [EMAIL PROTECTED]).  In the later, often the ISP
takes action against the open proxy provider, assuming they're the offenders.
I've seen a lot of the former, but never seen the later occuring, although it is
a possibility, I doubt most spammers would spend the several hours required to
track down an open proxy.

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Re[2]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

[Joseph N.]

   On Sunday, June 23, 2002, Jonathan Angliss wrote in
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> Hope this gives you a hint as in how the system works.

You mean how the system *should* work.  It works like that for your
mail and mine, and for the legitimate commercial mail we receive.  But
it doesn't work like that for most UBE that comes from fly-by-night
senders.  Sometimes the originating IP addresses belong to responsible
ISP's like Yahoo!, which might act to restrict their being used in the
spam chain.  But more often the originating addresses are offshore
relay points, i.e., not *really* the origination points.

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Jernej,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 3:42:49 PM, you wrote:

JS> Send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re[2]: Question about Mailtraq (maybe Miguel?)

[Greg Strong]

Hello Roelof,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 8:05:27 AM, you wrote:

RO> I'll post an answer on TBOT, since the setup of a mail server is
RO> somewhat off topic here.


I looked at the Ritlabs web site,
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TBOT.  How do you join?  TIA!

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Re[2]: Question re eTrust warning re TB Tmp file

[ETM]

I want to thank Lars and Arek for their help with the infected
email.  I must say that TB did its absolute best to keep it out
of my hands .

I am not certain dispatching worked, but shift/control/F2
definitely got a workout.  Since I download more than one pop
account from different servers, I had to guess which one held it,
or perhaps that two each held a problem email.  I finally managed,
using MailStart, to get to the most likely server to delete
problem emails, and believe dispatching may have worked on the
other server.  The tmp files have been deleted and the AV alerts
have stopped.

Nothing ever reached the computer that wasn't safely corralled.  TB and the AV program 
sure
did their stuff.  Of course, I am somewhat grayer for their
efforts .

Elaine

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> On Tuesday, February 26, 2002 at 9:55:13 AM, you wrote in subject of "Question re 
>eTrust warning re TB Tmp file":

E>> "eTrust EZ Antivirus real-time protection has found that
E>> C:/windows/temp/bat1020.tmp is infected with HTML.MimeExploit
E>> Virus."

E>> What is this?  I have trashed, compressed mail, deleted the tmp file and it appears
E>> to re-create itself and then the warning results in a newly
E>> numbered tmp file.

>   It is that, because this infected email isn't downloaded to your
>   disk, and is still present on your server. So TB! still tries to
>   download it and triggers antivirus. To stop this warning, press
>   Shift Ctrl F2 (Dispatch all messages on server) and manually delete
>   infected message.


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Re[2]: question on buying a licsense

[Nicholas]

Hello David,

Tuesday, January 15, 2002, 3:22:54 PM, you wrote:

DvZ> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
DvZ> Hash: SHA1

DvZ> Hello Nicholas,

DvZ> On 15 Jan 2002 at 15:03:45 -0500, Nicholas [N] wrote concerning
DvZ> 'question on buying a licsense':
DvZ> ...
N>> hello my name is Nicholas i am 13 years old i use the bat
N>> constantly (sine i got it a week or so ago)

DvZ> Welcome ;-)

N>> i want to but a license and i don't know which one i should buy. is
N>> there really a difference between them? should i get a student or a
N>> personal? i am not sure.

DvZ> No there is no difference between them except for the price. I should
DvZ> go for a student version (mine is a student version too) assuming that
DvZ> you're a student (looking at your age tells me that you are).

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Ok cool thanks! i was just wondering what it meant by student (i
thought it meant for teachers and getting E-mail in school and such)
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Re[2]: Question: Redirect/Forward

[Miles Alexander]

Hello Roelof,

Historians believe that on Monday, October 29, 2001, at 7:26:12 PM, was when,
Roelof typed the following:

RO> Hallo Miles,

RO> Op dinsdag 30 oktober 2001, 0:24:49, schreef jij:

MA>> Tried experimenting with the Redirect:

MA>> Sent email to myself from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MA>>to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

MA>> When  I  click  on  the  Redirect button, the email comes up with my sending
MA>> address  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  in  the  FROM  field with the TO field
MA>> BLANK.

RO> Well, that's what I said didn't I? The new destination is in the To:
RO> header, so when pressing the redirect button the To: field is empty,
RO> because you haven't told TB who's the new recipient.

I  think we understand each other but I do agree it would be best for you to
get some rest...

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Re[2]: Question: Redirect/Forward

[Miles Alexander]

Hello Roelof,

Historians believe that on Monday, October 29, 2001, at 6:16:30 PM, was when,
Roelof typed the following:

RO> Hallo Miles,

MA>> What  is  the  difference  between  Redirect and Forward.

RO> Redirect is to send a message to another destination without changing
RO> the body of the e-mail. (Technically this is done by placing the new
RO> address in the To: header. Since you're not supposed to send mail with
RO> a false From: header your mail client has to insert a Sender: header
RO> or as TB does an X-Sender: header. Only visible to those who look at
RO> the RFC-822 headers.) The To: header will change.

RO> Forwarding is to send a message to another destination by including
RO> the message into a new message in which you state something like:
RO> 'Look what a great message I got from somebody at sometime'.

MA>> Have not found any

Appeared  to  work better when the ID was one other than residing within The
Bat!. I sent a test email from my Hotmail account and all went well.

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Re[2]: Question: Redirect/Forward

[Miles Alexander]

Hello Roelof,

Historians believe that on Monday, October 29, 2001, at 6:16:30 PM, was when,
Roelof typed the following:

RO> Hallo Miles,

MA>> What  is  the  difference  between  Redirect and Forward.

RO> Redirect is to send a message to another destination without changing
RO> the body of the e-mail. (Technically this is done by placing the new
RO> address in the To: header. Since you're not supposed to send mail with
RO> a false From: header your mail client has to insert a Sender: header
RO> or as TB does an X-Sender: header. Only visible to those who look at
RO> the RFC-822 headers.) The To: header will change.

RO> Forwarding is to send a message to another destination by including
RO> the message into a new message in which you state something like:
RO> 'Look what a great message I got from somebody at sometime'.

MA>> Have not found any

Tried experimenting with the Redirect:

Sent email to myself from: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

   to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

When  I  click  on  the  Redirect button, the email comes up with my sending
address  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])  in  the  FROM  field with the TO field
BLANK.

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Re[2]: Question: Backup-function

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Alexander,

>> 'Purge' does the deletion of expired/excess messages according to
>> the folder settings. Compress, as you say, removes the messages
>> flagged as deleted and reclaims the space.

AL> That means: if I do not compress, I could also leave the messages in
AL> the folder as the space won't be reclaimed without compress anyway? I
AL> can hardly believe that...

You better do so :-)

BTW, that was the reason for my initial question. A OS level
backup will always save deleted messages too unless you do a
compress before. Sorry for not beeing verbose enough.

When I think about it: did somebody check how TB backup handles
this? Are deleted messages still there after a restore?

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Re[2]: Question: Backup-function

[Tim Musson]

Hey Alexander,

Friday, February 23, 2001, 5:26:40 AM, you wrote:

AL> I don't really see any advantage in compressing the folders
AL> besides the reduction of the folder-size. Or what else would there
AL> be? But I compressed the largest folders for you :-): it saved
AL> about 70 MB. If I would compress every folder it would probably
AL> save some 160 MB - not really that much.

I'm not sure about TB!, but when I worked with databases (~1990), you
did a purge (to remove all records that were marked "deleted"), then
in TB! case a compress to take all the "empty" space out of the db
that is left when removing a record. Also, I would guess a re-index
happens which would speed up access time.

Anyone more knowledgeable on TB! inner workings want to confirm/deny
that?

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Re[2]: Question: Backup-function

[Wolfgang Kynast]

Hi Alexander,

...
AL> If I would compress every folder it would probably save some 160
AL> MB - not really that much.

It would shrink your W2K backup to ~640 MB :-)

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Re[2]: Question about templates..

[Vinay Kudithipudi]

Hello Jason,
  Thank you for the reply. I was asking this question in general
and not only for the bat mailing list.. I just took the bat mailing
list as an example. Thanks once again..


Friday, October 06, 2000, 1:50:36 PM, you wrote:

JT> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
JT> Hash: SHA1

JT> Hello Vinay and everyone else...

VK>> How can I specify for letters to a particular address to be
VK>> replied to a partivular address other than mine.

JT> In the address book template for that person, add the %replyto macro.
JT> Messages you send to that person will be replied to you via a
JT> different address. Syntax is:
JT> %replyto="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"

VK>> I want the replies to be directed to the bat users list and not to
VK>> my address in particular.

JT> Don't worry, this is taken care of automatically by the TBUDL/BETA
JT> server. No need to change your configuration for it to work correctly.

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JT> PGP Key ID: 0x3084BEC4  [The Bat! v1.47 Beta/5]
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JT> as adults enjoy adultery?

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Re[2]: Question about connections queue (last one, with a brief philosophical epilogue)

[JMReichow]

Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 9:14:30 AM, scripsi:

>>> What seems to be lacking is the option to delete Actions (or Tasks, if
>>> you  will)  from the queue _before actually connecting_. You can do it
>>> once  you've  confirmed connecting, but if you've noticed by then that
>>> it's the wrong account, why would you have to ?

To which Paula Ford had kindly reponded:

>> On the Menu bar, Options|Show Dial-up Monitor|Automatically. Under the
>> Queue tab, click on the action, press Delete button.

Which I dismissed first (as a complete solution to my problem). But in
rethinking it, I have found the following - and I'm not too ashamed to
bother  all  of  you  a  third time with this stuff, but this time I'm
really gonna keep it short -:

Paula  was  indeed  right: editing the queue _before actually dialling
up_  is  possible  and  can  be reached through the very Menu item she
mentions  above. The problem with the settings in this Options tab is,
however, that they are very unintuitive and seem to interact with what
you  are doing within the " Dial-up " window. I'll not bother wou with
my  descriptions  of  that, but what I find difficult in usage is that
the  only  option to edit the queue is going into Options|Show Dial-up
Monitor  and setting it to " Show Always " (!). It will then show (and
show  the  actual  queue  waiting  to  be edited) - exactly what I was
looking for thus! - BUT O BAT, BUT, whatever I do subsequently to move
this  window  out of sight (e.g. after having edited the queue; either
by  clicking  "  Hide " or x - closing the window), the setting " Show
Always  "  will  _not_  be  saved  or  remain. ( " Hide "-click in the
Dial-up  window  will  thus be adopted within those settings, which is
what I mentioned and disliked as interaction before. )


What is then the meaning of " Always ", after all.


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Re[2]: Question about connections queue

[JMReichow]

Wednesday, September 27, 2000, 9:14:30 AM, scripsi:

> My  question remains: has anyone got the same problem (or do you folks
> never  accidentally want to fetch mail from the wrong accounts maybe?)
> and is there a workaround in the Connections or Network Settings?

Sorry - in addition to my previous question:
do those of you who are using a Dial-up connection necessarily get the
same  pop-ups  while e.g. Getting Mail as I do: "Connect to" one first
(which  looks  like  the  normal  windows  stuff)  and then the actual
"Dial-up" one (which came with TB)?
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Re[2]: question about search feature

[Susanne]

Hi Januk,

Wednesday, September 20, 2000, 4:31:24 PM, you wrote:


>  You have two options, delete from list and delete from base.

>  Delete from list only removes it from the search results window.
>  Delete from base removes it from the message base (folder) where it
>  resides.

Ah, thanks! I chose delete from list.
 
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Re[2]: Question about address book entry

[Larry Barrett]

Hello Januk,

Tuesday, September 05, 2000, 10:07:46 PM, you wrote:


JA>> Are  there any special characters in these names? Can you give us
JA>> an example of a name which fails?

An example would be - "Joe Blow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  In this case the
quotation marks take precedence when using auto-complete feature.

JA>  Do the address book entries have the quotation marks after you've
JA>  corrected them?

No, that's the problem. When I change the address in the address book,
I  enter it *without* the quotation marks. However, when I try to call
it up via auto-completion, it *has* the quotations.

JA> What  happens if you try to delete a name that is correct from the
JA> autocomplete

It simple reappears the next time I type the address name *with* the
quotation marks!

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Re[2]: Question About Nicknames/Handles

[Keith Russell]

Hello, fellow Bat-lovers.

On Friday, June 09, 2000, 2:13:19 PM, Miguel wrote:


KR>>   I would like to enter a list of nicknames and have them all
KR>>   expanded, but I can't figure out how to do it. If I enter, for
KR>>   example:

KR>>   smr, ldr

KR>>   What am I missing?

> You are missing the ; (semi-colon) instead of , (comma)

> If you put for instance:

> nr; pf; hildemar

> and then press the down arrow all the address will expand.

Actually, what I was missing was the down arrow--and I see now that
a tab will work as well.

When commas didn't work, I tried semicolons, but I must have tried
Send immediately or pressed .

Thanks to you and SyP for the help. Mystery solved! (But I still wish
it would work with a comma, and with a cr as well as a tab or down
arrow.)

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Re[2]: Question About Nicknames/Handles

[SyP]

Hello The Bat! users,

Jast wrote on 6/9/2000, 8:18 PM

J>  I confirm and agree, multiple handles in a row should be expanded as well.

Just enter the nicknames separated by semicolons (;) and itt will
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Re[2]: question about the serial numbers

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello,

> Are you referring to "edition" or "version"? The only differences I see
> from your above example, is the inclusion of "/Personal" on some, as all
> seem to have the "version" number included.

I mean the edition.

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Re[2]: question about the serial numbers

[Florian Effenberger]

Hello Leif,

> I believe it depends on when your key was created. Those whose
> x-mailer shows no edition, registered quite a while back. I'm not
> sure when they started including the edition, but it was well after
> I had gotten my registration key.
Thanks for your message. Might be so, I was just interested. :-)

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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail (Eureka!)

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello Paula,

Tuesday, November 23, 1999, 2:11:24 AM, you wrote:

PF> On Tuesday, November 23, 1999, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:

>> Hmm still happens to me, does monitor size have a connection, I
>> basicly have a 9 inch viewing screen.

PF> Monitor size has a connection only to the extent that it limits how wide
PF> you can make the display panes. Try this: Double-click on a message to
PF> open it in the Folder View. Maximize that window, then click on the Next
PF> Message icon to refresh the display to see if the messages wrap
PF> correctly. Try a few messages, because some messages always have stumps
PF> no matter what you do. If most of your messages still wrap awkwardly,
PF> then you will need to make your font size smaller.


Yes, it's must be my monitor size, funny it's the real first time that
I  may  have  noticed  it ( I never changed anything in Pegasus ), and
with  Opera  my preferred browser there is a zoom function to make the
screen easier to read.

Well  now  that we all got me straight on this (I wholly thank you all
for  your  patience )I'll go see if my college son will give me his 17
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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail (Eureka!)

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello Ali,

Monday, November 22, 1999, 5:23:14 PM, you wrote:

AM>Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:

AM>>> I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my
AM>>> guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are
AM>>> re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature
AM>>> switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of
AM>>> text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere
AM>>> within text block.

AM>>> NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block
AM>>> area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard.


>> They are erratic even if I receive from other group members and do
>> nothing.

AM> You can't really do much about the formatting of the messages sent by
AM> other members. The editor options will not affect the formatting of
AM> messages received. The most that The Bat! will do for you is
AM> automatically wrap text in received messages if it would have gone off
AM> the message viewer window. This is why I'm a stickler for a decent
AM> e-mail editor. I need to know that what my recipient gets is what I
AM> see in front of me and that it's presentable. This level of control is
AM> supported by TB! and only a few others, namely, Pegasus Mail and
AM> Forte' Agent.

AM> All those editor options are for *you* to have control over what *you*
AM> type.

>>  I basically have everything checked under edit preferences.

AM> Avoid simply checking all of them since some incur standard
AM> functionality and others do not.

AM> For instance if the 'persistent blocks' option is checked it will
AM> cause unnerving resistance of selected text to being deleted.
AM> I suggest that you spend a few moments experimenting as well as going
AM> through the editor related stuff in the help file. You will then have
AM> the power of a flexible editor at your fingertips.

>> I want to see everything left justify and looking proper no matter
>> who's letter I see.

AM> Can't happen. Just make sure that *your* messages look good and
AM> hopefully others will envy their appearance and want to do the same.
AM> This is what netiquette is all about and you're simply falling victim
AM> to it. :)



Are  you ready for this? I checked everything and my fonts was set for
courier  new  size  12,  as  soon as I set it to size 10 everything is
fine, as soon as you change the font size the messages get truncated.


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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello Ali,

Monday, November 22, 1999, 4:00:36 PM, you wrote:

AM>Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:

>>   I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one
>>   line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other
>>   way for this to happen?

AM> I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my
AM> guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are
AM> re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature
AM> switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of
AM> text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere
AM> within text block.

AM> NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block
AM> area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard.


The above message *From* you came truncated, all I'am doing is reading
it  nothing  more.  If  I reply to you everything looks fine, it's the
mail I receive that dosn't look right.

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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello Ali,

Monday, November 22, 1999, 4:00:36 PM, you wrote:

AM>Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:

>>   I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one
>>   line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other
>>   way for this to happen?

AM> I'm trying to figure out what you mean by what you are saying but my
AM> guess is that your text line lengths are erratic because you are
AM> re-editing already wrapped text without the autoformat feature
AM> switched on. In this case, you can reformat the offending block of
AM> text by pressing Alt+L (left justify) when the cursor is anywhere
AM> within text block.

AM> NB// Alt+L will not work if the cursor is positioned in the text block
AM> area with the mouse. You have to position it with the keyboard.


They are erratic even if I receive from other group members and do
nothing. I basically have everything checked under edit preferences. I
want to see everything left justify and looking proper no matter who's
letter I see.

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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail

[Roel]

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Hello Ali,

AM> You mean the 'Wrap text at' option in the editor preferences. Yes, it
AM> will do what he wants.

I'm using 1.35... is the name changed?

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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail

[Roel]

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Hello Mark,

MW> The option I'm thinking of is a box that asks how long you want each line to be,
MW> i.e. 70 characters.  If you want more text on each line, just increase the
MW> number of characters per line by entering a larger number.

check 'options - editor preferences'
'right margin' is exactly what you're talking about :)

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Re[2]: question on line styles sening E-mail

[Pasquale J. Festa Sr.]

Hello Mark,

Monday, November 22, 1999, 12:16:29 PM, you wrote:


MW> Hi Pasquale -

MW> Monday, November 22, 1999, 10:03:41 AM, you wrote:

PJFS>> Hello TBUDL,

PJFS>>   I've noticed my letters and others seem truncated into more than one
PJFS>>   line, I don't think I'am hitting enter to early. Is there any other
PJFS>>   way for this to happen?

>>From the Options menu, Editor Preferences menu, Wrap Text At option.


That has been ticked since I first installed the bat, so that can't be
it, I made sure that I let the wrap take care of the above, but I
still  received it truncated. I noticed justify on wrap wasn't checked
off so I'll try that.

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Re[2]: QUESTION HELP, how to transfer to new computer

[timm]

Hi ,

what  about  the  fact that it is showing me as a trial version now on
the new computer that is...

and i believe i have lost my registration number by now

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Monday, October 04, 1999, 8:23:59 AM, you wrote:

> On Monday, October 04, 1999, 14:02, timm wrote:

>> Hope one of you can help. I  am  trying  to  transfer  this  version
>> of  the Bat to my computer upstairs that I have networked with this
>> one.

>> I transferred all the Bat Folders mail etc to the new computer.
>> Hoever it is treating it as a new un registered install.

>> It wont even recognize my mail or folders.


> Hello timm,

>I found this solution of Syafril Hermansyah:

> Create  new  folder,  point  the  directory  to  your  old  folder (or
> subfolder),  named  your  new folder (you can named same as before, or
> give the new name)...all message comes up.



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