Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Andrew, i've found that using the bat 2.0 with another screenr eader, sometimes when pressing enter on a message the message will not read. the text is there, but it doesn't read. i also don't like the change in the bat 2 when i press delete in a message window it doesn't close the window and move back to the list like it did in 1.6xx it just opens the next message in that window. i've also found that the spell check alt-c for the shortcut doesn't work also. one needs to tab through and press space on the change button and it'll change the item. Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 10:41:34 AM, you wrote: AH Hello Krister, AH Tuesday, September 30, 2003, 2:05:49 PM, you wrote: KE -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- KE Hash: SHA1 KE Hi Andrew, KE In a message with mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] KE On 30 Sep 2003 12:28:09 (my local time 13:28:09), you typed: AH Two other problems I have are that the source viewer (press f9) is AH not accessible to me at any rate, because when you press the down AH arrow it moves the whole screen down instead of the cursor, this is AH known to screen reader users as a static cursor, and is something AH that makes a lot of email clients inaccessible, and is one reason I AH like The Bat for email, as it does not have one on the main message AH viewer. KE Sorry, i must be tired or something, i don't fully understand where KE the problem lies, on the other hand, I've never used the view source KE feature, so can't really say what this is supposed to do. AH It displays the email in its entirity including the header, and the AH different mime entities in the raw format. Press f9 on any email AH and a window will pop up displaying the full source of the email. AH If you go to the edit menu, you can sellect all, then copy and paste AH it into notepad, but it would be nice to read the contents of that AH window. AH Also, in the spell checker, when pressing alt+c to change a AH word to the sellected choice, it doesn't seem to happen, instead the AH same word comes up and up again for correction in the same place in AH the document. KE Hmm, haven't checked into this. A few seconds later... I've actually KE checked the spell checker dialog, and i think that your best bet is to KE tab around the dialog, this seems to work kinda nice. KE Sorry i couldn't be of more help. AH The tab key works to get you round the box, and if you press space AH on the buttons it works fine, but if you for example press alt+c, AH which is the shortcut for change, it doesn't work (or as far as I AH can see it doesn't). AH Andrew. -- Best regards, Chrismailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable. i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue. on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard list view it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat with whatever screen reader one chooses to use. i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an issue. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Have you tried reclassifying the folder list? Pranav At 11:30 PM 9/30/2003, you wrote: is there a way that ritlabs can have the message list be a standard list view. sometimes when i arrow up and down the list of messages winow-eyes can't read the entire line, or it skipps over name/subject. or something, it's not usable. i have the bat on my lap top where this is an issue. on my desktop it's not so much of an issue, but if the list was a standard list view it wouldn't be an issue, and it would effect the use of the bat with whatever screen reader one chooses to use. i know that Hal 5.21 doesn't have an issue. Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Screen readers and TheBat
Hello Claude, Thursday, September 25, 2003, 3:33:56 PM, you wrote: PL Hi all, PL Is any one using Screen readers such as Jaws For Windows PL (http://www.freedomscientific.com) or Window Eyes (http://www.gwmicro.com) PL with TheBat? CR Personally I used to work with Jaws and nextly I will work with Window-Eyes. CR It's true than we can use the bat! with jaws or any screen CR readers if we create custom settings a bit. CR But I'm not totally aggree with Thomas Fernandez when he said CR that jaws works perfectly with the bat!. CR In fact we can use it but I think we could greatly improve CR the accessibility of the bat! by making it Ms accessibility CR compliant in order to use the Ritlabs Html engine or if we can CR identify with tooltips all icons in the program. With some exception, I'm finding that the tool tips read fine. Incorporating MSAA in TB's html engine would be neat, but it'd probably increase the size of TB and, well, I kind of like the fact that is't not that big. MM How do you read text in Microsoft Internet MM Explorer, there is also no cursor there. CR Yes, but in this case screen readers rely on Microsoft Active CR accessibility (you can obtain information at CR http://www.microsoft.com/enable or msdn). CR Or you could either : CR - customize the html component used in the bat! enabling the CR cursor caret. Then we could be able to read html message and CR scroll them because screen readers could then track the cursor properly, CR - or letting optionnally the ability to activate the CR Microsoft Html renderer engine. Incorporating the ability to activate the Microsoft engine would be neat, but it should definitely be an option, an option disabled by default. I wonder what the security implications of this might be? CR And it would also be very interesting if we could access to CR the toolbars, the mailticker and so on... Using my Window Eyes cursor, I can access the toolbars fine. Toolbar access, especially in MS Office, is greatly assisted by incorporation of MSAA. CR I truely hope that Ritlabs will make an effort in this direction. I'm sure they will -- they seem very interested in feedback from customers and in genuinely improving their product. -- Best regards, Stevemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
