Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Friday, June 4, 2004, rich gregory wrote:

> If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60 are
> going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to Eudora,
> Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see my Smileys
> are TB! clients then it is a complete waste of time and resources.

There  is  no  support  for  "sending"  smileys  to  users in outgoing
messages,  version  2.11 can display text smileys as icons in RTV/HTML
viewer and You can disable this feature, if You don't like them.

As  I  think, You should test it before You are writing such erroneous
informations.

> Same deal with mail chat if I cannot chat cross-platform then it too
> is a complete waste.

The Bat! has many unique features and I don't understand, why must be
features cross-platform.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello rich,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:38:08 PM, you wrote:

B>> Smileys and Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B>> silly features to its awesome mailer? Smileys seems like something
B>> straight out of AOL's cheesy mailer, and those of us that actually
B>> use instant messaging are probably not going to ditch what we
B>> currently use in favor of Mail Chat anytime soon.

rg> While I agree that neither should have taken a front seat to
rg> developing other features I do not think I am nearly as offended as
rg> you by either.

rg> My take on Smileys and mail chat: If they are mail client specific
rg> then they are completely useless.

rg> If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60 are
rg> going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to Eudora,
rg> Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see my Smileys
rg> are TB! clients then it is a complete waste of time and resources.

Who can see the smileys other than BAT readers?

rg> Same deal with mail chat if I cannot chat cross-platform then it too
rg> is a complete waste.

rg> What happens when I get an email that contains (c) for copy-written
rg> material I do not want to see a cup of coffee. (I would however
rg> welcome a beer for (b) in a bulleted list!)


B>> Did anyone actually request these features? There are many fine
B>> suggestions on the wishlist and I can't believe that these two
B>> stood out above the rest. Why doesn't Ritlabs just give its user
B>> base what they ask for instead of bloating their program with this
B>> stuff? Or at least give us the option of installing it as a
B>> feature.

rg> Boy, I have to agree completely on this! I have not only requested new
rg> features but placed unresolved bug reports as well.   :(

rg> Rich

rg> P.S. The only reason I cannot agree with your first statement above
rg> (that TB! is "awesome") is due to the seeming disregard the user
rg> community's issues. Aside from that TB! is still my mailer of choice
rg> (warts and all, as they say).

Agree fully. The only salvation is that smileys can be disengaged and using
MicroEd editor. Chat I guess can be disregarded. Still it is an effort to
add to the program instead of using the effort to add other useful features
and bug corrections.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Urban,

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in


U> Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with
U> a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description
U> how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment.

I don't understand why you should have to do that? All TB! users
presumably subscribe to this list at least, if not the others too, so
will have read the wealth of information on Smilies and how to deal with
them.

Other e-mail programmes work in different ways so they either accept
Smilies, in which case the user involved will also be used to them and
know what to do if they have the option of not wanting to see them or,
with the rest, they will just see the normal : - ) instead.

I find Smilies brighten up mail but sometimes I just want to read it
plain so it's a very simple right click and de select.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Jan Rifkinson]

At 5:29 AM on Saturday, June 05, 2004 Boris BG> wrote the following
Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?:

BG> [...] So, congratulations Ritlabs, go on with new "improvements" that will
BG> make your Bat irresistable. Pleeease, can you implement feature for
BG> light control for my aquarium. Nice toolbar would be welcome. Fish
BG> icons and fish smiles are must! Let me know you are preparing it in
BG> order to provide me enough time to find another email client.
BG> [\...]

  Ho hum... same old, same old non-informative stuff.  Pleeeze take
  it to the TBB[itch] list.

-- 
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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[mm Meister]

Hello Thomas,

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 8:03:59 AM, you wrote:

Allie Martin wrote:

AM>> I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm
AM>> pretty sure he's not the only one 

T> I always thought Maggie was a "she".

Last I looked . Yep! A she!!  

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Urban,

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:59:12 AM, you wrote:

>> Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And it
>> isn't hard to do so.

U> Yes, it's easy if I am on the receiving end.
U> Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with
U> a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description
U> how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment.

I don't understand what you're trying to say...

If the receiver uses the PTV, he/she will see the smileys as they are,
wtihout icons.
If they use the HTML/RTV, they will see the icons instead of the plain
smileys...

Why should you send a note???

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Maggie]

Hello Andre,

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 9:52:06 AM, you wrote:

AM I just saw one from mmMeister on HTML editor enhancements. I'm
AM pretty sure he's not the only one 

T>>> I always thought Maggie was a "she".

mM>> Last I looked . Yep! A she!!  

A> I can only speak for me but it would definitely help to include your
A> first name under from: Maggie is pretty clear but I definitly look more
A> often there than at the signature.

I found Folder - Properties - Identity and changed it to Maggie. Is it better now?  

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Urban,

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in 

U> But not everybody is a TB user :-(

I realise that and was referring to just the TB! users.


U> and even some TB users don't know English.

Yes but there are mailing lists for TB! in lots of other languages as
well.

>> normal : - ) instead.

I wrote it that way with the spaces so that "everyone" would see it as a
non smilie whatever settings they have.

U> E-mail is about communicating, and communicating is about
U> transferring ideas and/or thoughts to another person in such a way
U> that they don't misinterpret your intentions.

I agree but, even without smilies (or the old version as above) there is
a chance of misinterpretation because, without eye contact, body
language and voice interpretation a lot is missing from messages and I
have, as all of us probably have on occasion, misread a message as
aggravating when it isn't or vice versa.

U>I use the PTV myself, so I'm not really bothered by the smilies

Well isn't that the joy of TB! in that it caters for many tastes? I've
never touched the mail ticker apart from a quick play with it right at
the beginning but others swear by it.

Every Bat user has different opinions as to what should or should not be
in it. If everyone's tastes were catered for and the requests for other
facilities that have been asked for were added, it would become many
times more varied and versatile (couldn't think of a better word) than
it already is. I think its core facility still knocks spots of Eudora,
Pocomail and Pegasus - the only others I've really had a go at.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Urban,

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in 

>> Why should you send a note???

U> Because I do NOT want them to use the icons under ANY circumstances.

But the icons themselves aren't used when you send the mail. If you
write :-) then that is what is seen in the PTV. Others who use RTV will
see the icons because they have presumably chosen that viewer to do so.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Ben Allen]

Howdy Marc,

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:25:51 PM, Marc wrotened:

B>> Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B>> silly features to its awesome mailer? [...]

Marc> Microsoftitis.  Tragic, usually fatal corporate disease.

Because  of  course  Microsoft  are  spiraling  out  of fiscal control
towards  bankruptcy. I think that RitLabs are simply trying to broaden
the userbase, with some cute bells and whistles, if you dont like them
dont  use  them.  There  have been ongoing improvements in some of the
more major bugs, and doubtless these will eventually be fixed.

B>>  I certainly hope this isn't an indication of what's to come for
B>>  The Bat!.

It  was  something  that  got  added  in  the spare time of one of the
programmers,  it  isnt the end of the world, in fact it is quite cute,
but  if  you dont like it, turn it off. Wonderful thing about options,
you can choose.

(hehehehe that tag line was random)


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