Re[2]: Strange thing when replying

[Lynn Turriff]

Sunday, June 16, 2002, 9:43:56 AM, you wrote:

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ACM> In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
ACM> Lynn Turriff [LT] wrote:

LT>> Allie, I hit F4 to bring in just your bit of comment here,
LT>> (no Cont key) which I selected in the usual way .. works
LT>> consistently .. I use it all the time.

ACM> I think you've missed the point of the discussion here.

ACM> Try replying to this message using CTRL-F4 and F4. Look at the To:
ACM> address in the reply message header field. Note that they're
ACM> different. One is to the list and the other is to me.

Sorry, you're right .. after I hit the 'go' button, I
wondered if there was something I'd missed ..

Lynn

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Re: Strange thing when replying

[Allie C Martin]

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LT> Allie, I hit F4 to bring in just your bit of comment here,
LT> (no Cont key) which I selected in the usual way .. works
LT> consistently .. I use it all the time.

I think you've missed the point of the discussion here.

Try replying to this message using CTRL-F4 and F4. Look at the To:
address in the reply message header field. Note that they're
different. One is to the list and the other is to me.

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Re[2]: Strange thing when replying

[Lynn Turriff]

Sunday, June 16, 2002, 5:47:16 AM, you wrote:

ACM> Currently, no.

ACM> You could create a quick template with the handle name 'fa',
ACM> containing: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME" <%OFROMADDR>'

ACM> You could then use F4 to generate the message with only the
ACM> selected
ACM> text, and then type  then CTRL-Space. This would
ACM> change the
ACM> To: headers to that of the senders.

ACM> With the use of PowerPro (a macro creation tool), I've remapped
ACM> the
ACM> keys CTRL-F4 to execute the F4 command followed by the above quick
ACM> template when the reply window appears. For me, it's as if TB! is
ACM> replying to the original sender quoting only selected text. :-)

Allie, I hit F4 to bring in just your bit of comment here,
(no Cont key) which I selected in the usual way .. works
consistently .. I use it all the time.

Would rather be able to right click the highlighted text,
but F4 works fine here ...

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Re: Strange thing when replying

[Roelof Otten]

Hello Krister,

On Sun, 16 Jun 2002 13:56:53 +0200GMT (16-6-02, 13:56 +0200GMT, where
I live), you wrote:

KE> Is it possible to make the bat quote only the piece of an original
KE> message that i select when hitting ctrl+f4?

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Re: Strange thing when replying

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KE> Is it possible to make the bat quote only the piece of an original
KE> message that i select when hitting ctrl+f4?

Currently, no.

You could create a quick template with the handle name 'fa',
containing: %To=""%To='"%OFROMNAME" <%OFROMADDR>'

You could then use F4 to generate the message with only the selected
text, and then type  then CTRL-Space. This would change the
To: headers to that of the senders.

With the use of PowerPro (a macro creation tool), I've remapped the
keys CTRL-F4 to execute the F4 command followed by the above quick
template when the reply window appears. For me, it's as if TB! is
replying to the original sender quoting only selected text. :-)

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Strange thing when replying

[Krister Ekstrom]

Hi Bat! people,
I noticed a strange thing just recently when i tried to reply to a
message privately, that is directly to the sender rather than to the
list. I had selected the text to quote, but when i hit ctrl+f4 to
reply, the entire message was quoted, not the piece that i selected.
This doesn't happen when i hit f4. Is it possible to make the bat
quote only the piece of an original message that i select when hitting
ctrl+f4?

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Re: Strange thing

[Danilo Barbuio]

Hello Andrey,

Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 8:16:12 AM, you wrote:

ost>

DB>> well, I checked all the things you told me (thank you for that), but
DB>> the result was that there is nothing wrong. The other things that
DB>> happened today is that  everything is working again ..

AGSAA> Have you encountered any side effects? Did TB! hang to the "(Not
AGSAA> responding)" state?

not at all  nothing strange other than hang and today is
working again.

I hope the problem is closed :-)

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Re: Strange thing

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 10:35:21 AM, Danilo Barbuio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



DB> well, I checked all the things you told me (thank you for that), but
DB> the result was that there is nothing wrong. The other things that
DB> happened today is that  everything is working again ..

Have you encountered any side effects? Did TB! hang to the "(Not
responding)" state?


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Re: Strange thing

[Danilo Barbuio]

Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 6:06:55 AM, you wrote:




Andrey>> Have you checked the properties for the account in trouble? Double check
Andrey>> the paths TB! uses to store the message base. What if you're replying to
Andrey>> someone's mail? What about forwarding - does it works also?

TF> Also check your templates. You might have a template calling a QT in
TF> which another QT is called that in turn calls the first QT... you get
TF> my point. Infinite loop.

well, I checked all the things you told me (thank you for that), but
the result was that there is nothing wrong. The other things that
happened today is that  everything is working again ..

Why ? I really don't know :-(



We'll see if it will happen again . (may be something due to my
ISP) . mah?!?!?


Ciao

Danilo

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Re: Strange thing

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hallo Andrey,

On Tue, 9 Jan 2001 00:25:26 +0300 GMT (09/01/2001, 05:25 +0800 GMT),
Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) wrote:


Andrey> Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:52:20 AM, Danilo Barbuio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:

DB>> I have a strange problem. I manage with The Bat 5 account and today,
DB>> after installing version 1.49, when I try to create a new message with
DB>> one of this accounts (one only the other are working well) the program
DB>> hang with no message at all.

Andrey> Have you checked the properties for the account in trouble? Double check
Andrey> the paths TB! uses to store the message base. What if you're replying to
Andrey> someone's mail? What about forwarding - does it works also?

Also check your templates. You might have a template calling a QT in
which another QT is called that in turn calls the first QT... you get
my point. Infinite loop.

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Re: Strange thing

[Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)]

Hello!


Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:52:20 AM, Danilo Barbuio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

DB> I have a strange problem. I manage with The Bat 5 account and today,
DB> after installing version 1.49, when I try to create a new message with
DB> one of this accounts (one only the other are working well) the program
DB> hang with no message at all.

Have you checked the properties for the account in trouble? Double check
the paths TB! uses to store the message base. What if you're replying to
someone's mail? What about forwarding - does it works also?


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Strange thing

[Danilo Barbuio]

Hi to everybody


I have a strange problem. I manage with The Bat 5 account and today,
after installing version 1.49, when I try to create a new message with
one of this accounts (one only the other are working well) the program
hang with no message at all.


Any hint about this?

Danilo

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Re: strange thing...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi tracer,

On 04 July 2000 at 18:13:28 GMT +0700 (which was 12:13 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "strange thing...":

>> ...  I  know  I  send  mail  to  a  lot of OE5 users who have never
>> reported this issue.

t> Mark, how can they if they may never have had the mail you send.

Because  their  mostly  good  friends  or members of my family who are
expecting to hear from and complain when they don't.

t> Its one of those things if one expects mail and one finds it in the
t> wrong place...

They wouldn't know where to look. :-)

t> Any chance it gets hit by some feature of MS OE to prevent
t> spam/security etc etc??

Already answered by Wolfgang - matter closed.

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Re: strange thing...

[tracer]

Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,
On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 10:49:19 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was Tuesday, July 04, 2000, 4:49:19 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:


> Hi Marek,

> On 04 July 2000 at 11:37:43 GMT +0200 (which was 10:37 where I
> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
> of "strange thing...":

>>> Any-one  else  agree  or disagree on this point? It just seems like
>>> logic to me.

MM>> I have meny friends with OE5 and manytimes they told me, they didn't
MM>> received my mail. They found it in Trash then. OE trashed it
MM>> automatically :-(

> Okay  - I stand corrected. How completely bizarre! In that case I have
> no  idea  whatsoever  why  that  would happen. Perhaps RitLABS need to
> check  out the kind of mail that is subject to such deletion. I know I
> send mail to a lot of OE5 users who have never reported this issue.

Mark, how can they if they may never have had the mail you send.
Its one of those things if one expects mail and one finds it in the
wrong place...

Any chance it gets hit by some feature of MS OE to prevent
spam/security etc etc??



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strange thing cleared

[Wolfgang Armbruster]

Hello TBUDL,

  OK, it's not strange anymore:
  I had another close look at the OE5-client. It's true that there
  were no email-rules/filters...
  But there had been an entry in the "list of blocked senders" - which
  I took out and now it works...

  Nobody knows who set the entry... :-/

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Re: The strange thing in detail

[Syafril Hermansyah]

Hello Wolfgang Armbruster,

Responding  to  your  article  on Tuesday, July 04, 2000 at 15:08:39 GMT
+0200 (which was 04/07/2000 20:08 GMT +0700 my Local Time) :

ML>> I  noticed you're using a combined smtp/pop3/imap4 server. What are
ML>> you using internally for mail collection? POP3 or IMAP4? Am I right
ML>> that with IMAP4 mail is stored on the server and managed there?

WA> IMAP4 is not used. Just POP3.

WA> Facts:
WA> -  We  are using the Atrium software as a mailserver-software. There
WA> are  domains  set up for different purposes. In this case we do have
WA> an  official  one  for  sending  and  receiving mail to and from the
WA> world: @moldex-europe.com
WA> And another one for sending mail internally: @mmmp

AFAIK  @mmmp  not  follow  RFC  standard, how if you use complete domain
domain name (even fake domain), such as : mmmp.mail or mmmp.own. Some of
Mdaemon  SMTP/POP  Server  user also having unpredictable problem if the
domain name not follow RFC.

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Re: The strange thing in detail

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Wolfgang,

On 04 July 2000 at 15:08:39 GMT +0200 (which was 14:08 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "The strange thing in detail":

WA> - It's just _one_ internal email address (and client respectively)
WA> which shows this strange behaviour. I may send internal mail from my
WA> internal account to anybody else within the LAN _without_ any
WA> problems...!

We still haven't seen a copy of a mail which *worked* on the receiving
machine  (i.e. did not go into Trash). Without this, we can't make any
comparative suggestions.

The  best  idea  for  stepping  forward  comes from Ming-li's mail and
involves  exporting  the  mail, manually removing/changing headers and
re-importing  to  the  outbox  before  sending. By a cyclic process of
trial and elimination /and comparison with successful messages to that
destination/ you can determine the root cause of the problem.

If  it  turns  out to be a bug in TB, this process will show where and
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Re[2]: The strange thing in detail

[Wolfgang Armbruster]

Hello Ming-Li,

On Dienstag, 4. Juli 2000, 14:38:51 you wrote:

ML> I noticed you're using a combined smtp/pop3/imap4 server. What
ML> are you using internally for mail collection? POP3 or IMAP4? Am
ML> I right that with IMAP4 mail is stored on the server and managed
ML> there?

IMAP4 is not used. Just POP3.

ML> I also found Atrium Software has a service pack (SP1) for their
ML> Mercur 3.2 product, which fixes quite a few bugs. I've no idea
ML> what that has to do with your problem, but you might want to
ML> tell your network administrator about it.

I'm the net admin ;-) and SP1 is installed...



Facts:
- I'm the only one in here using TheBat. All others (appr. 40 clients)
are using IE5/OE5
- We are using the Atrium software as a mailserver-software. There are
domains set up for different purposes. In this case we do have an
official one for sending and receiving mail to and from the world:
@moldex-europe.com
And another one for sending mail internally: @mmmp
- It's just _one_ internal email address (and client respectively)
which shows this strange behaviour. I may send internal mail from my
internal account to anybody else within the LAN _without_ any
problems...!
- And it has nothing to do with the writing of the addresses, i.e.
when sending email from my internal account it does not matter whether
I send it to ngoeksu@mmmp or to [EMAIL PROTECTED] it will
end up in the trash folder. Doing the same thing to the same addresses
form my external account everything is fine...
- I did delete my internal account and re-installed it with a
different name: no improvement...


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Re: strange thing...

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, July 04, 2000, 11:03:12 AM, Wolfgang Armbruster wrote:

> it's OE5 and there aren't any filters...

OE5 or OE5.1, Mac or PC?

Both, OE5 and OE5.1, have no Junk filtering according to the READMEs.
There's one known bug where OE5 for Mac discards received messages
(when memory is low).

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Re: The strange thing in detail

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, July 04, 2000, Ming-Li wrote:

> As far as I can tell, the message example you gave
> us is very standard. [...]

Not completely, but read on.

> [...]

>> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/4) Personal

> which is the only one unique to TB! as I know.

I don't think this would really matter.

What would interest me: what do the headers look like from other
senders within Wolfgang's LAN when received by that one person, do
they also have incomplete domains?

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Re: The strange thing in detail

[Ming-Li]

Hi Wolfgang,

>> Received: from sekundant (192.168.1.20)
>>   by ntservoe with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 WP-7962639)
>>   for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000  12:06:22 +0200

I noticed you're using a combined smtp/pop3/imap4 server. What
are you using internally for mail collection? POP3 or IMAP4? Am
I right that with IMAP4 mail is stored on the server and managed
there?

I also found Atrium Software has a service pack (SP1) for their
Mercur 3.2 product, which fixes quite a few bugs. I've no idea
what that has to do with your problem, but you might want to
tell your network administrator about it.

>   - There are _no_ filters defined on that machine

I checked MS web site and it says the Junk Mail Filter I
mentioned earlier is no longer avaiable in OE5. If your
colleague didn't set up any filter, then there's none.

However, I still think the problem is more likely at the OE's
side, for there's no direct interaction between TB and OE, all
TB could do is to send a message with the right header
information. As far as I can tell, the message example you gave
us is very standard. How OE manages to put a standard message in
the trash folder is beyond me.

Are you the only one on your local LAN that uses TB? If so, may
I suggest the following so we can narrow down the focus a little
bit:

1. Create an account in your TB for one of your colleague (e.g.,
Mr. Goeksu, the one who has trouble receiving your message). You
don't really need their password if that's a concern (assuming
you don't need a password to send mail). All you need is their
id. Set it up and send a message from that account to Mr.
Goeksu, and see if the message land in the trash folder.

2. See if Mr. Goeksu may create a filter in his OE for you
(filter it into his Inbox, e.g.), and see if that works.

3. Create a message with the troubled account, but don't send it
out immediately. Put it in the Outbox instead, and export it to
a standard .msg file. Use a text editor to open the file, and
take out the following line:

> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/4) Personal

which is the only one unique to TB! as I know. Then reimport the
msg file into TB!'s Outbox and send it out. And see how it end
up in Mr. Goeksu's OE.

That's all I can think of right now. Good luck.

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Re: strange thing...

[Allie Martin]

On Tue, 4 Jul 2000 11:37:43 +0200, Marek Mikus wrote:

>> Any-one else agree or disagree on this point? It just seems like
>> logic to me.

MM> I have meny friends with OE5 and manytimes they told me, they didn't
MM> received my mail. They found it in Trash then. OE trashed it
MM> automatically :-(

My experience is the opposite. All of my friends outside the
non-technical user side are using OE. *None* complain that my mail is
trashed and they *all* receive my mail just fine. :-/

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Re: strange thing...

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Tuesday, July 04, 2000, 11:37:28 AM, Ming-Li wrote:

> I remember at least some versions of OE came with pre-configured
> junk mail filters. (It caused a small fuss in the news for it turned
> out MS put some of its competitors' domain in them.) Could that be
> it?

Well, I think Ming-Li might be on the right path. Looking at the
headers Wolfgang posted all email address references might appear
invalid to OE:

> From: Wolfgang Armbruster 
> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/4) Personal
> Reply-To: Wolfgang Armbruster 
> [...]
> To: Nurdan Goeksu 

If there's an active Spam filter this might erroneously conclude that
somebody is sending with a faked From header and hence trash the
message.

Regards,

Markus
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Re: The strange thing in detail

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Wolfgang,

On 04 July 2000 at 12:21:07 GMT +0200 (which was 11:21 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "The strange thing in detail":

WA>   here  comes  an  example  of a mail received in the trash folder
WA>   

>> Received: from sekundant (192.168.1.20)
>>   by ntservoe with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 WP-7962639)
>>   for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000  12:06:22 +0200
>> Return-Path: sekundant@mmmp
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:08:06 +0200
>> From: Wolfgang Armbruster 
>> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/4) Personal
>> Reply-To: Wolfgang Armbruster 
>> Organization: internes Konto
>> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
>> Message-ID: <18115227415.2704120806@mmmp>
>> To: Nurdan Goeksu 
>> Subject: greetings to everybody using TheBat
>> Mime-Version: 1.0
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
>> 
>> - interne Nachricht -
>> 

WA>   --

WA>   - There are _no_ filters defined on that machine

Okay. It can't be that then.

WA>   -  Doing  so  with another client but the same settings ain't no
WA>   problem

Can we have a look at the headers from such a message for comparison?

WA>   Remains strange this one...

Sure does!

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Re: strange thing...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Ming-Li,

On 04 July 2000 at 02:37:28 GMT -0700 (which was 10:37 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "strange thing...":

>> it's  OE5 and there aren't any filters... Sending mail with another
>> mail-client ain't no problem...

ML> No mail goes to the trash folder by itself. No, not even junk
ML> mail.

That's the point I was trying to get across.

ML> I  remember  at least some versions of OE came with pre-configured
ML> junk mail filters.

Oh  yeah?  That  would  do it! How ridiculous M$ are at times! (at all
times, now I think about it).

ML> please  post  the  complete header information of the deleted mail
ML> (not  from  your sent mail box, but the one actually landed in the
ML> trash folder) so people here might have a better clue.

That  might  help, but I still suggest the real answer lies within the
filters of the client OE5.

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The strange thing in detail

[Wolfgang Armbruster]

Hello TBUDL,

  here comes an example of a mail received in the trash folder
  
> Received: from sekundant (192.168.1.20)
>   by ntservoe with MERCUR-SMTP/POP3/IMAP4-Server (v3.20.01 WP-7962639)
>   for ; Tue, 4 Jul 2000  12:06:22 +0200
> Return-Path: sekundant@mmmp
> Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2000 12:08:06 +0200
> From: Wolfgang Armbruster 
> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.45 Beta/4) Personal
> Reply-To: Wolfgang Armbruster 
> Organization: internes Konto
> X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
> Message-ID: <18115227415.2704120806@mmmp>
> To: Nurdan Goeksu 
> Subject: greetings to everybody using TheBat
> Mime-Version: 1.0
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> - interne Nachricht -
> 
> Hallo Frau Goeksu,
> 
>   this is just for testing purposes.
> 
>   Let's see where it goes to
> 
> -- 
> Gute Gruesse,
>  Wolfgang Armbruster  mailto:sekundant@mmmp
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  - There are _no_ filters defined on that machine
  - This user has a second "offical" account: @moldex-europe.com This
  one receives the mail correctly, if I do send it from my "official"
  account...
  - Replying to emails received from the colleagues internal account
  results in the trash folder.
  Again:
  - Sending the same email to multiple (internal) recipients using
  TheBat will run OK to all - except the one above
  - Doing so with another client but the same settings ain't no
  problem

  Remains strange this one...

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Re: strange thing...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Marek,

On 04 July 2000 at 11:37:43 GMT +0200 (which was 10:37 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "strange thing...":

>> Any-one  else  agree  or disagree on this point? It just seems like
>> logic to me.

MM> I have meny friends with OE5 and manytimes they told me, they didn't
MM> received my mail. They found it in Trash then. OE trashed it
MM> automatically :-(

Okay  - I stand corrected. How completely bizarre! In that case I have
no  idea  whatsoever  why  that  would happen. Perhaps RitLABS need to
check  out the kind of mail that is subject to such deletion. I know I
send mail to a lot of OE5 users who have never reported this issue.

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Re: strange thing...

[Ming-Li]

Hi Wolfgang,

> it's OE5 and there aren't any filters... Sending mail with
> another mail-client ain't no problem...

No mail goes to the trash folder by itself. No, not even junk
mail. Are you sure the OE5 your colleague is using has no filter
at all?  Not a single one?  I remember at least some versions of
OE came with pre-configured junk mail filters.  (It caused a
small fuss in the news for it turned out MS put some of its
competitors' domain in them.) Could that be it?

If there's no privacy or trade secret concern, please post the
complete header information of the deleted mail (not from your
sent mail box, but the one actually landed in the trash folder)
so people here might have a better clue.

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Re[2]: strange thing...

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Tuesday, July 04, 2000, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> On 04 July 2000 at 11:03:12 GMT +0200 (which was 10:03 where I
> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
> of "strange thing...":

MDP>>> ...  erm  -  in  the filters of the receiver's email client (you
MDP>>> don't say what that is).

WA>> it's OE5 and there aren't any filters...

> The only reason OE5 would put anything in the trash on an automatic is
> because  it  has  instructions  to  do  so.  OE5 does have a filtering
> system.  Check  it.  There  is no other reason I can think of that OE5
> would trash any mail automatically.

> Any-one else agree or disagree on this point? It just seems like logic
> to me.

I have meny friends with OE5 and manytimes they told me, they didn't
received my mail. They found it in Trash then. OE trashed it
automatically :-(

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Re: strange thing...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Wolfgang,

On 04 July 2000 at 11:03:12 GMT +0200 (which was 10:03 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "strange thing...":

MDP>> ...  erm  -  in  the filters of the receiver's email client (you
MDP>> don't say what that is).

WA> it's OE5 and there aren't any filters...

The only reason OE5 would put anything in the trash on an automatic is
because  it  has  instructions  to  do  so.  OE5 does have a filtering
system.  Check  it.  There  is no other reason I can think of that OE5
would trash any mail automatically.

Any-one else agree or disagree on this point? It just seems like logic
to me.

WA> Sending mail with another mail-client ain't no problem...

Then  perhaps  the  addressing  on the mail coming from that client is
different  and  isn't  triggering  the filter. I can think of no other
explanation  for  such behaviour. There is *certainly* nothing you can
do in TB that will cause OE to chuck away mail on-a-whim.

What happens when a mail comes from the OE5 user and you write a reply
to that message?

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Re[2]: strange thing...

[Wolfgang Armbruster]

Hello Marck,

On Dienstag, 4. Juli 2000, 10:31:43 you wrote:

MDP> On 04 July 2000 at 08:50:09 GMT +0200 (which was 07:50 where I
MDP> live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
MDP> of "strange thing...":

MDP> ... erm - in the filters of the receiver's email client (you don't say
MDP> what that is).

it's OE5 and there aren't any filters... Sending mail with another
mail-client ain't no problem...


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Re: strange thing...

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Wolfgang,

On 04 July 2000 at 08:50:09 GMT +0200 (which was 07:50 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject
of "strange thing...":

WA>   Lately  I've  found  that  while  sending "internal mail" to one
WA>   specific address, the recipient finds the new mail automatically
WA>   in the "deleted objects"-folder. Not in the inbox...!?

WA>   Strange thing... Any advice where to look anybody?

... erm - in the filters of the receiver's email client (you don't say
what that is).

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strange thing...

[Wolfgang Armbruster]

Hello TBUDL,

  I'm using several mail-accounts with TheBat. One of them is used for
  "internal mails" within our LAN. The domain name does not use a
  "dot-extension" (i.e. just user@mmmp) and therefore is no regular
  mail-domain, though it works.

  Lately I've found that while sending "internal mail" to one specific
  address, the recipient finds the new mail automatically in the
  "deleted objects"-folder. Not in the inbox...!?

  This happens only with one specific address!

  I deleted the address and the internal account and recreated both...
  without any improvement.

  Fact is: When sending mail to the same address with the same account
  settings but a different mail-client it works...!

  Strange thing... Any advice where to look anybody?
  Thanks.

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