Re: Threading not always correct? (was Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?)
Hello
Sunday, August 20, 2000, 4:22:07 AM, you wrote:
GG Hello Marck and everyone else...
MDP Having said that (and it is true) beware the "References" and
MDP "In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies.
MDP This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together.
GG I've noticed totally unrelated subjects get threaded together, and I'm
GG never sure if the sender used a reply function rather than creating a
GG new message, or if either TB or TBUDL is not processing the references
GG properly. Can anyone provide an explanation?
GG --
GG Gold Gauramimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
GG
GG Why is Santa so jolly?
GG Because he knows where all the bad girls live!
GG//Flying high with The Bat! v1.46 Beta/3
GG//Over the land of Win98 v4.10 build 1998
GG//Fueled by an AMD K6-2 400mhz, 128mb RAM, and fusion.
They never have yet, AFAIK. {Free} Agent, which I have used more
extensively than Bat! never seems to have a sorting problem, but
{Free} Agent is unfortunately now an orphan, and of course Bat! is
more powerful (except for newsreader capabilities as well as mail
which Agent can do, but only from the same server (and one server
only) as the mail. Notwithstanding this rant, IMHO, Bat! is the best
bar none.
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Re: Threading not always correct?
GE I would like to add that the In_Reply_To-ID is omitted by some mail clients GE (like M$ Echange and older M$ Outlook Versions 4.xxx; may be there are more GE clients). AFAIK this could result in incorrect threading in TB! Yep, this troubles me on every mailing list that I'm on outside of this one. The only features that would keep me a user of TB would be a way to edit references and an option to thread generally by reference but also "guess" if the references field isn't there but the subject is the same (Agent does this). Threading by subject, I have learned, is only one-level deep and doesn't show any thread information whatsoever (even if it exists in the messages). Still kicking the idea around, but my current plan is to leave the motley crew and go back to Agent for all of my needs. Sure I have a couple of email addresses I need to check, but literally 99% of my mail traffic is mailing lists, and TB's abysmal handling (IMO) of list traffic (especially including my many issues with digest-mode) makes me curse it every time I get lots of list mail. Heh, I happened to be away for 10 days around the time of that big flamewar the other week... 1387 messages later I came back to life, but it would have taken me 1/3 of the time to deal with in Agent. :( Oh yeah, shall I also bring up the "ease of backing up an installation" topic again? heh. it's been fun- -tom! -- Bah, ridiculous thing. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Threading not always correct?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Marck, on Sat, 19 Aug 2000 19:54:45 +0100 GMT your local time, which was 19.08.2000, 20:54:45 (GMT+0200) my local time, you wrote about "Threading not always correct?": snip MDP The explanation runs as follows: every message is assigned a unique MDP Id. For instance, the message you just sent has the following id MDP [EMAIL PROTECTED] My reply includes the header MDP "In-reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and this Id is also MDP added to the end of the string of Ids in the "References" header. MDP TB uses References and In-reply-To to calculate any message's position MDP in the threading hierarchy. snip FWIW, I would like to add that the In_Reply_To-ID is omitted by some mail clients (like M$ Echange and older M$ Outlook Versions 4.xxx; may be there are more clients). AFAIK this could result in incorrect threading in TB! - - -- Best regards, Gerd Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed for authentication purposes ! Gerd Ewald iQA/AwUBOZ+cLky/sHrVbGGHEQKX6gCfSbbdY3aaf0h8+3HnsaIJ59YSN4wAoLyn eHyVBq6JbbXsG9+9DZcp35K+ =D5bH -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading not always correct?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gerd, On 20 August 2000 at 11:51:57 GMT +0200 (which was 10:51 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Threading not always correct?": MDP TB uses References and In-reply-To to calculate any message's MDP position in the threading hierarchy. GE snip GE FWIW, GE I would like to add that the In_Reply_To-ID is omitted by some GE mail clients (like M$ Echange and older M$ Outlook Versions 4.xxx; GE may be there are more clients). AFAIK this could result in GE incorrect threading in TB! ... not if "References" is there. Many clients do not preserve the References ID chain and use it as the In-reply-To field. TB can still thread correctly using this scant information but it can be more easily confused at a later stage if messages are removed from the middle of the thread. - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: PGP Signed so you know it's really me iQA/AwUBOZ+3AjnkJKuSnc2gEQJ1zgCgwga0Pd4nI36whjACRsFv8nIv7bAAn1kq xK2PGE9lv+fZmaQAH2665f/J =hT1e -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Threading not always correct? (was Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?)
Hello Marck and everyone else... MDP Having said that (and it is true) beware the "References" and MDP "In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies. MDP This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together. I've noticed totally unrelated subjects get threaded together, and I'm never sure if the sender used a reply function rather than creating a new message, or if either TB or TBUDL is not processing the references properly. Can anyone provide an explanation? -- Gold Gauramimailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why is Santa so jolly? Because he knows where all the bad girls live! //Flying high with The Bat! v1.46 Beta/3 //Over the land of Win98 v4.10 build 1998 //Fueled by an AMD K6-2 400mhz, 128mb RAM, and fusion. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Threading not always correct?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Gold, On 19 August 2000 at 11:22:07 GMT -0700 (which was 19:22 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points on the subject of "Threading not always correct? (was Re[2]: How can I skip the CC field when using tab from the TO: field?)": MDP Having said that (and it is true) beware the "References" and MDP "In-reply-to" headers which contain threading information for replies. MDP This can lead to unrelated issues becoming threaded together. GG I've noticed totally unrelated subjects get threaded together, and GG I'm never sure if the sender used a reply function rather than GG creating a new message, or if either TB or TBUDL is not processing GG the references properly. Can anyone provide an explanation? The explanation runs as follows: every message is assigned a unique Id. For instance, the message you just sent has the following id [EMAIL PROTECTED] My reply includes the header "In-reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]" and this Id is also added to the end of the string of Ids in the "References" header. TB uses References and In-reply-To to calculate any message's position in the threading hierarchy. If someone decides to start a new topic by replying to an existing message in the thread, that reply is placed in the "correct" threaded position by TB on receipt. This is not the desired outcome. The error is that of the originator of the message, who should have either issued a "New" message or edited out the "In-reply-To" and "References" headers before sending the response. The UDL server knows absolutely *nothing* of such issues and has no bearing on threading whatsoever. HTH - -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.46 Beta/3 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOZ7X/jnkJKuSnc2gEQLS8wCdFeZqYQDU3B1XjXxCzPd20IB+Gy4AoOjR 91hxNc2zlDkkuDqquu78uH+h =1CkE -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
