Re: Viewing Messages on Server

[Kim]

Hi Miguel,

Friday, March 14, 2003, 4:47:10 PM, you wrote:

> Account/Dispatch Mail On Server

Yep, that was it. Can't believe I missed it! I've gotten in the habit
of using the "Dispatch mail on the server" button on the toolbar, and
haven't used the same function from the toolbar menu since I first
bought the program. Now I see the two choices offered there...one of
which does what I'm looking for.

Thanks a bunch!

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Re: Viewing Messages on Server

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Kim,

on Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:38:27 -0500GMT (14.03.03, 22:38 +0100GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

K> I've noticed that if an account is set to leave messages on the
K> server, and the message has been downloaded, even if that message is
K> deleted locally, The Bat will no longer let you access that message on
K> the server again.

Have you accidentally checked "Delete message from server if it is
removed from Trash" in account -- properties -- mail management?

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Re: Viewing Messages on Server

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Kim,

> I've noticed that if an account is set to leave messages on the
> server, and the message has been downloaded, even if that message is
> deleted locally, The Bat will no longer let you access that message on
> the server again.

Account/Dispatch Mail On Server

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Viewing Messages on Server

[Kim]

Hi All,

I've noticed that if an account is set to leave messages on the
server, and the message has been downloaded, even if that message is
deleted locally, The Bat will no longer let you access that message on
the server again. My old e-mail program, Becky, allowed that, and
would show the message as "read" on the server -- but you still could
access it, if necessary. Is there a setting I'm missing here, or does
The Bat not offer that feature? Granted, I haven't had to use it
often, but on occasion I have (before I switched to The Bat).

Thanks for your help.  :)

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Re: Viewing Messages on Server - Attachment Indicator?

[Pekka]

Hello Kim,

Tuesday, February 18, 2003, 2:42:42 PM, you wrote:


K> When viewing the message list available on the server (which I
K> routinely do, before downloading any messages to my computer), The Bat
K> doesn't seem to indicate whether or not each message includes an
K> attachment or not. My old e-mail program did this, which was very
K> handy. Can The Bat do this? Am I missing a setting somewhere? If not,
K> can we add this to the wish list for an upcoming version?

I remember sending that particular wish when I was using version
1.53d but they haven't implemented it (yet)... :)

Would be very nice, though.


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Viewing Messages on Server - Attachment Indicator?

[Kim]

Hi all,

When viewing the message list available on the server (which I
routinely do, before downloading any messages to my computer), The Bat
doesn't seem to indicate whether or not each message includes an
attachment or not. My old e-mail program did this, which was very
handy. Can The Bat do this? Am I missing a setting somewhere? If not,
can we add this to the wish list for an upcoming version?

Thanks. :)

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Re: Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

[Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer]

Hello Marck,

Monday, July 15, 2002, 12:42:35 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:


CS>>   If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
CS>>   message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
CS>>   highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

> No, that's because (if you look at the window header) you've opened a
> *folder* and not a message. Turn on the message list in the folder
> view and you'll see the message list attached to that particular
> folder view.

THANK YOU!! My god, TheBat has so many features I don't know and now I
am using it already for such a long time :)

CS>>   Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ?

> No it is not. The way it works is perfect, that each folder view has
> its own message list and memory of which message is being viewed.

Yip you are right!

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Re: Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Clemens,

@14 July 2002, 22:15 +0200 (21:15 UK time)  Clemens 'Gullevek'
Schwaighofer [CS] in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to
The Bat! Mailinglist:

CS>   If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
CS>   message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
CS>   highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

No, that's because (if you look at the window header) you've opened a
*folder* and not a message. Turn on the message list in the folder
view and you'll see the message list attached to that particular
folder view.

CS>   Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ?

No it is not. The way it works is perfect, that each folder view has
its own message list and memory of which message is being viewed.

CS> This would be really great, especially when going through mailing
CS> lists. Cause then u always know where u are in the thread.

Not needed when you turn on the Message list. See "View | Message
list".

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Showing Position in Tree View, when viewing messages in extra window

[Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer]

Hello The Bat! ML,

  If I hopen an email in an extra window (eg via double click on
  message) and now move to the next or the previews message, the
  highlight bar from the tree view (or list) does not follow ...

  Is it possible to active this ? Or is this a planned feature ? This
  would be really great, especially when going through mailing lists.
  Cause then u always know where u are in the thread.

Best regards, Clemens
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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Deborah L]

 
--

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:00:34   Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
>This is because they are no longer HTML but have been converted to an
>Internal Eudora proprietary format. I have a fairly complex procedure
>documented for converting these to plain text that relies on the use
>of Mailbag Assistant as an intermediate step:
>http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/info.htm. This is not a trivial
>exercise.

HI won't do it yet, then...I have still to decide whether I'm going to use TB 
or Eudora - pros & cons in both :-/

Anyone know when TB is going to come up with customizable toolbars? That might be the 
thing to swing it for me :-)

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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Deborah L]

On Mon, 29 Apr 2002 12:49:20   Jernej Simonhih wrote:
>D> although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change that?
>
>You can press  to mark all messages read...

Yes, I know...but I have so many mailboxessigh...

>>D> when I view any email sent to me which was written
>D> using html, I get all the codes displayed - 

>That sounds like the message has wrong header. Could you MIME-forward
>one of these messages to me (if it isn't confidential), and I'll look
>what's wrong with it...

But all the messages are the same...it's not just one or two :-/

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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Paul Cartwright]

On Monday, April 29, 2002, 7:00 AM, you wrote:

I had that same issue when I imported 5,000+ messages and 100 folders
from OE. It would have been nice to either highlight the inbox and
CTR-M and include sub-folders, or be able to highlight multiple
folders..

thanks,
Paul

>> Hi again & thanks to those who helped with the importing from Eudora
>> problem. I installed version 1.6h & the import now works well -
>> although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change
>> that?

MDP> Right click on the folder and select "Mark all as read".


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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Deborah,

@29 April 2002, 11:32:39 +0100 Deborah wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> Hi again & thanks to those who helped with the importing from Eudora
> problem. I installed version 1.6h & the import now works well -
> although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change
> that?

Right click on the folder and select "Mark all as read".

> Another problem however - when I view any email sent to me which was
> written using html, I get all the codes displayed - I'm not bothered
> about seeing the colours etc that people are using, but can anyone
> tell me how to get these emails into a format I can actually read?
> I've turned on the HTML viewer under Options/Preferences/Viewer, but
> it makes no difference.

This is because they are no longer HTML but have been converted to an
Internal Eudora proprietary format. I have a fairly complex procedure
documented for converting these to plain text that relies on the use
of Mailbag Assistant as an intermediate step:
http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/info.htm. This is not a trivial
exercise.


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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Michael Disabato]

Monday, April 29, 2002, 5:32:39 AM, Deborah scribbled:

D> Hi again & thanks to those who helped with the importing from Eudora
D> problem. I installed version 1.6h & the import now works well -
D> although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change that?

Right click on the folder and select "Mark all messages Read".

Mike



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Re: viewing messages sent using html

[Jernej Simončič]

Hello Deborah,

29. april 2002, 12:32:39, you wrote:

D> Hi again & thanks to those who helped with the importing from Eudora
D> problem. I installed version 1.6h & the import now works well -
D> although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change that?

You can press  to mark all messages read...

D> Another problem however - when I view any email sent to me which was written
D> using html, I get all the codes displayed - I'm not bothered about
D> seeing the colours etc that people are using, but can anyone tell me
D> how to get these emails into a format I can actually read? I've turned
D> on the HTML viewer under Options/Preferences/Viewer, but it makes no
D> difference.

That sounds like the message has wrong header. Could you MIME-forward
one of these messages to me (if it isn't confidential), and I'll look
what's wrong with it...

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viewing messages sent using html

[Deborah]

Hi again & thanks to those who helped with the importing from Eudora
problem. I installed version 1.6h & the import now works well -
although all the messages are "unread" - any ideas how to change that?

Another problem however - when I view any email sent to me which was written
using html, I get all the codes displayed - I'm not bothered about
seeing the colours etc that people are using, but can anyone tell me
how to get these emails into a format I can actually read? I've turned
on the HTML viewer under Options/Preferences/Viewer, but it makes no
difference.

Thanks again
Deborah



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Re: OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Dierk,

On Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 18:41:09 +0200, Dierk Haasis [DH] wrote
concerning 'OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)':

>> 1) is it possible with The BAT to include things like X-Mailer in the
>> header (whether it is appropriate in this group or not?)

DH> I think not but can be wrong. Marck will know, I hope.

It is included in the headers when you send a message from the Bat!
Have a look at this (it's from your previous message).

DH> X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.52 Beta/1) Personal

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Re: OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Norbert!

On Saturday, March 31, 2001 at 5:56:36 PM you wrote:

> 1) is it possible with The BAT to include things like X-Mailer in the
> header (whether it is appropriate in this group or not?)

I think not but can be wrong. Marck will know, I hope.

> 2) if the PGP signature has the effect to insert an extra '-' before
> the sig separator, is this a BAT thing, or is that effected by PGP
> and thus independent of the MUA you are using?

As Marck developed on earlier, it is PGP.

> 3) if this extra '-' does not affect the sig separator then why does
> a 'reply' not cut out the signature? I understand that it can
> apparently be done with a special setting in The Bat, but seeing that
> the majority of the people you are corresponding with won't be using
> The Bat, isn't that kind of non standard compliant? I, for example
> have the option in my MUA at home (Mutt) to not show signatures.
> However, the MUA does not recognise the signature as such due to the
> PGP signature inserted '-', and cannot, therefore, cut it out. 

Well, I can understand your argument concerning sigs on mailing lists
but for private mail ... You see, any message signed by PGP will have
this "special" delimiter and so every PGP-signed message you receive
will show this. One of the greatnesses of TB! is its use of regular
expressions to filter such things and perform for instance a signature
cut.

PS: If you are interested in more detailed arguments for signing (and
eventually encrypting) have a look at various PGP sites
(http://www.ipgpp.com/ for starters) or the TBUDL archives. There you
will find some messages on all the points you had in your first mail
(PGP, HTML and so on).

And one for Echelon: Nuclear devices on Washington ;-).


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Re: OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 15:56:36 +, Norbert wrote these words of wisdom:

NL> 1) is it possible with The BAT to include things like X-Mailer in the
NL> header (whether it is appropriate in this group or not?)

The X-Mailer is included in the headers by default.

NL> 2) if the PGP signature has the effect to insert an extra '-' before
NL> the sig separator, is this a BAT thing, or is that effected by PGP and
NL> thus independent of the MUA you are using?

It's a PGP thing so the insertion of the extra '-' is independent of the
mailer used.

NL> 3) if this extra '-' does not affect the sig separator then why does a
NL> 'reply' not cut out the signature?

TB! will only recognize one sig delimiter and that is "-- ".

NL> I understand that it can apparently be done with a special setting in
NL> The Bat, but seeing that the majority of the people you are
NL> corresponding with won't be using The Bat, isn't that kind of non
NL> standard compliant?

Actually the sig delimiter TB! uses is only one type.

Agent will recognise both signature delimiters.

If you use this regex instead of your %quotes macro, you'll not have
to manually trim any PGP signatures and other variations of sig delimiters
will be recognised including '- -- ', '- --', '--'.

%Quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)\n*(^-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN\sPGP\sSIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""

Just copy it as a single line of text in your reply templates.

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Re: OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

[Norbert Lieckfeldt]

Thank you for all your comments. I still think it's daft to PGP-sign
every mail sent but since that seems to develop into a theological
argument about beliefs and what is or is not better, let's give that
one a rest. At least, I can cut out the PGP signatures so that I
don't see them. Not so with the overlong signatures, though (see
below). 

There are still a few questions left open:

1) is it possible with The BAT to include things like X-Mailer in the
header (whether it is appropriate in this group or not?)

2) if the PGP signature has the effect to insert an extra '-' before
the sig separator, is this a BAT thing, or is that effected by PGP
and thus independent of the MUA you are using? 

3) if this extra '-' does not affect the sig separator then why does
a 'reply' not cut out the signature? I understand that it can
apparently be done with a special setting in The Bat, but seeing that
the majority of the people you are corresponding with won't be using
The Bat, isn't that kind of non standard compliant? I, for example
have the option in my MUA at home (Mutt) to not show signatures.
However, the MUA does not recognise the signature as such due to the
PGP signature inserted '-', and cannot, therefore, cut it out. 

Norbert

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[Roland Burger]

Hi David,

on  Fri,  30  Mar 2001 17:25:10 +0100 GMT (which was 30.03.2001, 18:25
+0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:

> Correct, but this one will be good. -=#;-]

Yu are right! :-))

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Re[2]: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[David Elliott]

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Hello Roland

On 30 March 2001 at 17:47:50 +0200 (which was 16:47 where I live) Roland
Burger umgeordnete Elektronen zum Erhalten

>> Verify this one ;?

> *** PGP Signature Status: bad

Correct, but this one will be good. -=#;-]

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[Roland Burger]

Hi David,

on  Fri,  30  Mar 2001 14:59:05 +0100 GMT (which was 30.03.2001, 15:59
+0100 GMT where I live) David Elliott wrote:



> Verify this one ;?

> PS I liked the last quote.

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Re[2]: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[David Elliott]

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On 30 March 2001 at 15:03:08 +0200 (which was 14:03 where I live) Dierk
Haasis schrieb durchdacht das folgende

> OK, once again: I think it is good to have *every* mail signed (full
> stop). And TB! does it for me automatically.

So do I.

> BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

Verify this one ;?

PS I liked the last quote.

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OT A not so private comment (was: Re: Viewing Messages)

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Norbert!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 11:01:46 AM you wrote:

> In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
> separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply)
> and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
> instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you
> could improve on that.

> Norbert

Most of it is answered by others and I thank them.

1. Do you use a sig del?

2. There are always options and possibilities in a software one will
discover only with time. My comment about usage was a (slightly
overdone) comment out of experience especially with OE users.

To elaborate a bit on the last point: I really want software that is
self-explanatory, easy to use and does what the user wants it to do.
Since over time the "standard" programmes have developed more and more
features (demanded by buyers) they are far from my ideal. Some
companies have decided to set defaults that are non-standard, annoying
or plain dangerous. Additionally people in offices use computers as a
tool to do work which has nothing to do with computers. Most of them
don't know how to find the options and don't know anything about it.

A girl friend of mine had to change computers in the office, sent me a
superfluously HTMLed message and needed her sys ad to change this -
yes! - stupid option in Outlook. It took a week.

Sorry for all this wasted time and bandwidth; I hope this cleared up
some of my "ranting" lately.


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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Thomas!

On Friday, March 30, 2001 at 11:59:32 AM you wrote:

> Good reason not to PGP-sign messages on a mailing list.

> Very true and important for private mail. Also, for the moderators
> here on this list, so that we know they are they. Provided you
> verify each PGP-signed message. Do you really do that?

> - In other words, we are starting the old discussion whether postings
> on mailing lists should be PGP-signed or not.

OK, once again: I think it is good to have *every* mail signed (full
stop). And TB! does it for me automatically.

BTW, I really am verifying messages from this list.

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Re: Viewing Messages

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:01:46 +0100, Norbert graced us with these comments:



In case this develops into a large thread let me make official comments on
a few of your points.

NL> In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
NL> separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply) and
NL> your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines instead of
NL> the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you could improve
NL> on that.

Yes, we encourage posters to restrict their signatures to no more than 6
lines, the purpose of the signature being to convey personal information
about the sender and also, important system information if applicable.

PGP signatures are not included in the line count.

NL> I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant, in my
NL> view) at the bottom of many mails. If you would like the world to know
NL> what mailer and what OS you're using, isn't there a facility in The
NL> Bat that would allow extra headers to be inserted, as in X-Mailer: The
NL> Bat 1.51, etc?

The reason for the netiquette rule to reduce signature lines is to reduce
bandwidth wastage. Placing the same information in the message headers
doesn't address that issue.

Since this is a support group, we ask that posters include information in
their signatures on what OS they're using. It's very often relevant to
problems posted and saves us having to ask. We've already travelled the
road of this information not being included in many messages and actually
requested that it be included after seeing the numerous queries for that
information.

NL> Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list, other
NL> than for the simple reason that The Bat can?

PGP signing a message authenticates it. It may seem a waste of time and
unnecessary to you but others may feel otherwise. It's not our intention
to unnecessarily restrict users provided that their practice doesn't
excessively impact on bandwidth.

You may wish to compare PGP signing to long signature files in terms of
their being comparable in bandwidth wastage. However, long signature files
invariably contain highly redundant information that will not interest the
intended audience and the very purpose of your signature is to convey
useful information to your recipients.

<\moderator note>

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Norbert,
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, at 10:01:46 +0100 you wrote:

> In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your
> signature separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually
> in this reply)

It is a correct signature delimiter which was changed by PGP and
still is a correct delimiter.

> and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
> instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps
> you could improve on that.

It is 4 lines long, including 4 blank lines (each one a 2 byte
increase in message size. Not too much, I'd say). And his PGP
signature which is generally not counted as signature on this
list.

> I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant,
> in my view) at the bottom of many mails.

It is recommended to have this information in your signature,
because it makes helping and bug tracking easier. You need not
hunt down a bug that was corrected some versions ago :-)

> Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,
> other than for the simple reason that The Bat can?

I don't think anyone here uses PGP just because "The Bat can".
It's up to everybody to decide if they want to send their
messages with or without a PGP signature.

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Re: PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[Thomas]

Hi David,

On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 10:44:05 +0100GMT (30/03/2001, 17:44 +0800GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

>> Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,

DE> Because that is where PGP puts it.

He means: why PGP-sign postings to a mailing list.

DE> for the PGP signature. Any lines in the email that start with [-] are
DE> preceded with [- ]. There for a cut line will go from [--] to [- --].

Good reason not to PGP-sign messages on a mailing list.

DE> The reason for using PGP

DE> You can add a digital signature to your message, so your recipients will
DE> know that the message came from you and is exactly what you said!

Very true and important for private mail. Also, for the moderators
here on this list, so that we know they are they. Provided you
verify each PGP-signed message. Do you really do that?

- In other words, we are starting the old discussion whether postings
on mailing lists should be PGP-signed or not.

Flame away! 

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PGP (Was Re[2]: Viewing Messages)

[David Elliott]

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On 30 March 2001 at 10:01:46 +0100 (which was 10:01 where I live) Norbert
Lieckfeldt wrote

> In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
> separator is incorrect

His cut line is correct (Explanation further down)

> I had to delete it manually in this reply

(Thank you)

I would give you a regex to improve your templates but as you are not using
The Bat! I don't know if it would work.

> and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines instead
> of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you could improve
> on that.

No it is not it is actually 9 lines (including 4 blank lines) as well as 9
PGP signature lines. He is also stating his MUA and OS platform which are
considered good practise on this list.

> Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list,

Because that is where PGP puts it.

> other than for the simple reason that The Bat can? I have been reading
> this list on a newsreader which usually strips out these things, and many
> set their reader to reject html mails - but they also reject anything
> without correct signature separators or too long signatures.

For your information when PGP signs an email it must know when it starts
and when it finishes it does this by
[-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-]
to start the message and
[-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-]
[-END PGP SIGNATURE-]
for the PGP signature. Any lines in the email that start with [-] are
preceded with [- ]. There for a cut line will go from [--] to [- --].

The reason for using PGP

You can add a digital signature to your message, so your recipients will
know that the message came from you and is exactly what you said!

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Norbert Lieckfeldt]

Dierk

On 29 Mar 2001, you wrote in BAT:

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>
>Hello Marck!
>
>On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 12:19:30 AM you wrote:
>
>> Because it doesn't work reliably. Also, it gives me an opportunity
>> to strike a pathetic blow against the rising tide with my HTML
>> Quick Template.
>
>- From the balcony comes loud cheering: "Bravo!"
>
>I hope people would learn how to actually *use* a software.

In the light of your comments re html and seeing that your signature
separator is incorrect (I had to delete it manually in this reply)
and your signature consists of (counting, counting...) 18 lines
instead of the four (max) that are usually recommended, perhaps you
could improve on that. 

I have never seen a list with so much information (redundant, in my
view) at the bottom of many mails. If you would like the world to
know what mailer and what OS you're using, isn't there a facility in
The Bat that would allow extra headers to be inserted, as in 
X-Mailer: The Bat 1.51, etc? 

Why put a PGP signature at the bottom of a mailing to a list, other
than for the simple reason that The Bat can? I have been reading this
list on a newsreader which usually strips out these things, and many
set their reader to reject html mails - but they also reject anything
without correct signature separators or too long signatures.

That's one rant off my chest.

Norbert

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Marck!

On Thursday, March 29, 2001 at 12:19:30 AM you wrote:

> Because it doesn't work reliably. Also, it gives me an opportunity to
> strike a pathetic blow against the rising tide with my HTML Quick
> Template.

- From the balcony comes loud cheering: "Bravo!"

I hope people would learn how to actually *use* a software.

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi syv,

On 28 March 2001 at  13:56:29 -0800 (which was 22:56 where I  live)
syv wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

MDP>> 
MDP>> Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
MDP>> and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
MDP>> filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.
MDP>> 

s> Why don't you set the filter on the LISTSERV?

Because it doesn't work reliably. Also, it gives me an opportunity to
strike a pathetic blow against the rising tide with my HTML Quick
Template.

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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[syv]

On Wednesday, March 28, 2001 , Marck D. Pearlstone
wrote the following in regards to: [Viewing Messages]

.


MDP> 
MDP> Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
MDP> and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
MDP> filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.
MDP> 

Why don't you set the filter on the LISTSERV?

.

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Lynn,

On 28 March 2001 at  12:36:25 -0700 (which was 20:36 where I  live)
Lynn wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:


Please do not write to the list in HTML. It is against the list rules
and  many  of  the  members here do not appreciate  it. Some even have
filters to move any HTML mail directly to trash.


L> I was wondering. When you open a message to read it, and you have
L> the option to view the next message without closing the one you
L> first opened. I noticed when i view my mail in this way, it
L> randomly picks the next message to view.

That is because of the sort order of the message list in the folder
view you have opened. TB does not have a "message view" per-se. It has
a folder view with a message list. To change the sort order (and
therefore the designation of which message would be "next") turn on
the "Message list" in the "View" menu. Once you have that you can
better see what is happening.

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Viewing Messages

[Lynn]

Dear List,
 
I was wondering. When you open a message to read it, and 
you have theoption to view the next message without closing the one you 
firstopened. I noticed when i view my mail in this way, it randomly 
picksthe next message to view.
 
What i was wondering was if there was a way to control 
this randompicking so that when you choose to view the next message, it will 
viewthe next one from the one you have opened?
 
Lynn
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Re: Viewing Messages

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:40:42 +, Marck contributed this to our
collective wisdom:


ACM>> c) minimize/restore TB! window

MDP> I have one of those too, but didn't mention it since it defeats
MDP> the purpose of the exercise ;-).

But you have to have an easy way of restoring the main window the
occasional times you need to. To make you feel more supported on this
; even though I've assigned a hot key for restoring the main
window, I use it so infrequently that I tend to forget it and have to
reach for the mouse to do the restore. :-)

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Allie,

On 20 March 2001 at  20:15:21 -0500 (which was 01:15 where I  live) A
Curtis Martin wrote to Jan Rifkinson on TBUDL and made these points:

JR>>   Which system-wide hotkeys do you find useful in this regard?

ACM> I find hotkeys for the following particularly useful when doing mail
ACM> management with TB! minimized most of the time:

ACM> a) open ticker virtual folder

ACM> b) create new message

ACM> b) fetch new messages.

Forgot to mention that one. And Send messages.

ACM> c) minimize/restore TB! window

I have one of those too, but didn't mention it since it defeats the
purpose of the exercise ;-).

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Jan,

On 20 March 2001 at  20:03:55 -0500 (which was 01:03 where I  live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

Marck>> Add couple of system-wide hotkeys and you seldom have to bring the
Marck>> main TB window out of the tooltray [...]

JR>   Which system-wide hotkeys do you find useful in this regard?

One for opening message from the ticker, one for creating a new
message and one for opening the Address Book. Since these are 100%
user definable to anything you like, the values that I use are not
particularly relevant :-).

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Re: Viewing Messages

[A Curtis Martin]

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On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 20:03:55 -0500, Jan wrote these words of wisdom:


Marck>> Add couple of system-wide hotkeys and you seldom have to bring
Marck>> the main TB window out of the tooltray [...]

JR>   Which system-wide hotkeys do you find useful in this regard?

I find hotkeys for the following particularly useful when doing mail
management with TB! minimized most of the time:

a) open ticker virtual folder

b) create new message

b) fetch new messages.

c) minimize/restore TB! window

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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 14:15:25 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Viewing Messages':

Marck> Add couple of system-wide hotkeys and you seldom have to bring the
Marck> main TB window out of the tooltray [...]

  Which system-wide hotkeys do you find useful in this regard?

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Re: Viewing Messages

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Hi Leo,

On 19 March 2001 at  14:31:53 -0500 (which was 19:31 where I  live)
Leo Zelevinsky wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

MDP>> You could have all of your list traffic sorted to an "unread"
MDP>> folder and read it all from the one place, filtering it to the
MDP>> list folder with a "Read" filter instead of an "Incoming" one.

LZ> Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I will do this, since...



LZ> ... This way I can control when I read the list mail instead of
LZ> being forced to deal with it as it arrives. On the other hand,
LZ> when I do decide to catch up on list mail it'd be nice to open one
LZ> view with all the unread messages to be read which I could then
LZ> sort by folder or whatever.

That's exactly what my suggestion achieves. Have a single "Unread list
mail" folder which does *not* show on the ticker and contains all
pre-filtered unread list mail. Then use "Read mail" filters to move
the *read* list mail to the appropriate list folder.

Your work flow is uninterrupted. All unread list mail is grouped in
one place. Filtering is completed once the messages are read.

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[Adam]

Hello Leo,

On Monday, March 19, 2001, 7:23:50 PM, you wrote:

LZ> Go to the folder properties dialog box and check / uncheck the box
LZ> that says "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)"

Thanks, I was looking at each accounts properties!



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[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hi, Marck,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 19:05:36GMT + (which was 2:05 PM where I live) you 
wrote:

MDP> On 19 March 2001 at  13:45:32 -0500 (which was 18:45 where I  live)
MDP> Leo Zelevinsky wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

LZ>> Is there a way I can get that?

MDP> Frankly (and sadly), no. The Ticker is the only front end to the new
MDP> mail "virtual folder".

Too bad. This would be a very nice feature it seems to me.

MDP> You could have all of your list traffic sorted to an "unread" folder
MDP> and read it all from the one place, filtering it to the list folder
MDP> with a "Read" filter instead of an "Incoming" one.

Thanks for the suggestion. I don't think I will do this, since I
really like the fact that right now I can keep on working on other
stuff while I get list mail (obviously nothing urgent there), whereas
if someone writes to me personally I get immediate nice notification
in the mail ticker - and can decide whether to take some time off to
reply. This way I can control when I read the list mail instead of
being forced to deal with it as it arrives. On the other hand, when I
do decide to catch up on list mail it'd be nice to open one view with
all the unread messages to be read which I could then sort by folder
or whatever.

Anyway - thanks again, hopefully this unread view will be something
that the development team might consider adding sometime - doesn't
seem like it'd be all that difficult to implement given that it seems
almost there already.

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Re: Viewing Messages

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Hi Adam,

On 19 March 2001 at  19:17:51 + (which was 19:17 where I  live)
Adam wrote to Leo Zelevinsky and made these points:

LZ>> I have set up filters for my mailing lists and disabled mail
LZ>> ticker for those folders

A> How do you enable/disable the ticker on a per folder basis?

Check the Folder Properties. Each folder has a "Show unread mail on
the MailTicker" option in the properties dialog.


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Re[4]: Viewing Messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Adam,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 19:17:51GMT + (which was 2:17 PM where I live) you 
wrote:
A> On Monday, March 19, 2001, 6:45:32 PM, you wrote:

LZ>>  I have set up filters for my
LZ>> mailing lists and disabled mail ticker for those folders

A> How do you enable/disable the ticker on a per folder basis?

Go to the folder properties dialog box and check / uncheck the box
that says "Show unread messages on MailTicker (tm)"
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Re[3]: Viewing Messages

[Adam]

Hello Leo,

On Monday, March 19, 2001, 6:45:32 PM, you wrote:

LZ>  I have set up filters for my
LZ> mailing lists and disabled mail ticker for those folders

How do you enable/disable the ticker on a per folder basis?

Thanks

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

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Hi Leo,

On 19 March 2001 at  13:45:32 -0500 (which was 18:45 where I  live)
Leo Zelevinsky wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

LZ> Is there a way I can get that?

Frankly (and sadly), no. The Ticker is the only front end to the new
mail "virtual folder".

You could have all of your list traffic sorted to an "unread" folder
and read it all from the one place, filtering it to the list folder
with a "Read" filter instead of an "Incoming" one.

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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[Leo Zelevinsky]

Hello Marck,

On Sunday, March 18, 2001 at 00:26:54GMT + (which was 7:26 PM where I live) you 
wrote:


This is pretty cool stuff - but I have already gotten into the habit
of using the mail ticker differently. I have set up filters for my
mailing lists and disabled mail ticker for those folders - so I only
see it when there is some real personal mail that I got.

Is there any way I can access a viewer of all unread mail without
having the mail ticker enabled for all of that mail? I am looking for
something much like what you describe - except not linked to mail that
I have chosen to show up or not show up on the mail ticker - just all
unread mail in all folders.

Is there a way I can get that?

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Re: Viewing Messages

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Hi Ming-Li,

On 19 March 2001 at  07:11:09 -0800 (which was 15:11 where I  live)
Ming-Li wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone  on  TBUDL and made these points:

>> I seldom use the TB main window. You can do just about everything
>> from a folder window

ML> Just to see if I'm missing something: can I kill dupes or
ML> re-filter a folder in a folder view (a single folder view, not the
ML> ticker folder view)? I use folder view a lot but couldn't find the
ML> "Folder" menu and there seems to be no shortcut keys for those
ML> task.

Okay - I did say "just about". You can't do system housekeeping
functions from the folder view. You can do the major day-to-day email
functions from there.

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Re: Viewing Messages

[Ming-Li]

On Monday, March 19, 2001 at 14:15:25 + Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

> I seldom use the TB main window. You can do just about everything
> from a folder window

Just to see if I'm missing something: can I kill dupes or re-filter
a folder in a folder view (a single folder view, not the ticker
folder view)? I use folder view a lot but couldn't find the "Folder"
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Re: Viewing Messages

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Hi Jan,

On 19 March 2001 at  08:54:38 -0500 (which was 13:54 where I  live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

Marck>> No, I mean while viewing the message, choose the 'View' .. 'Message
Marck>> list' menu option to turn on the message list for the folder view.

JR> Ah yes. Now I understand. I guess I was confused because I use the
JR> full height account tree with a preview of msgs (split option)
JR> which is essentially the same thing -- I think.

Not quite.

I seldom use the TB main window. You can do just about everything from
a folder window - more importantly, the ticker virtual folder window.
Folder views can have an independent view configuration from the main
window and are much wider (when screen real estate is at a premium).
Add couple of system-wide hotkeys and you seldom have to bring the
main TB window out of the tooltray. I only bring it out to search the
archives or to investigate my spam folder to "shop" the evil
spam-mongers to spam-cop.

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Re[2]: Viewing Messages

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Monday, March 19, 2001 13:35:17 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Viewing Messages':

Marck>>> Enable the Message List view from the view menu.

JR>>   By this, do you mean un-selecting "auto msg view"?

Marck> No, I mean while viewing the message, choose the 'View' .. 'Message
Marck> list' menu option to turn on the message list for the folder view.

  Ah yes. Now I understand. I guess I was confused because I use the
  full height account tree with a preview of msgs (split option) which
  is essentially the same thing -- I think.

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Hi Jan,

On 19 March 2001 at  08:10:45 -0500 (which was 13:10 where I  live)
Jan Rifkinson wrote to Marck D. Pearlstone and made these points:

Marck>> Enable the Message List view from the view menu.

JR>   By this, do you mean un-selecting "auto msg view"?

No, I mean while viewing the message, choose the 'View' .. 'Message
list' menu option to turn on the message list for the folder view.
Until you do that, it isn't entirely obvious that the 'Message viewer'
is actually a viewer for the *whole* folder and not just a single
message from it.

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[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi Marck,

On Sunday, March 18, 2001 00:26:54 [ + GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'Viewing Messages':

Marck> Enable the Message List view from the view menu.

  By this, do you mean un-selecting "auto msg view"?

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Hi Lynn,

On 19 March 2001 at  17:11:13 -0700 (which was 00:11 where I  live)
Lynn wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

L> What i was wondering was if there was a way to control this random
L> picking so that when you choose to view the next message, it will
L> view the next one from the one you have opened?

Try one of the following:

Enable the Message List view from the view menu. You will discover
that rather than just opening the "message", it is actually the whole
folder that you have opened and you can navigate at will within it.
You can impose a filter to display only unread message or use the
Ctrl-] keystroke to move to the next unread. Of course the perspective
of which message may be "next" depends a lot on the sort order used
within the folder.

Alternatively and additionally to the above, you could discover the
multiple joys of the "Ticker". Enable the new mail ticker - it can be
sized and positioned to be as obtrusive or unobtrusive as you want.
Double click on the ticker and you open a virtual folder which
contains only your new mail and show that mail across all folder, not
just from a single folder.

The latter is the way I have enjoyed TB for a few years now.

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Viewing Messages

[Lynn]

Dear List,

I was wondering. When you open a message to read it, and you have the
option to view the next message without closing the one you first
opened. I noticed when i view my mail in this way, it randomly picks
the next message to view.

What i was wondering was if there was a way to control this random
picking so that when you choose to view the next message, it will view
the next one from the one you have opened?

Lynn


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