Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
On 7/3/2012, you wrote: [snip] Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine? Yes. The only mail client which comes anywhere near to TB! for Linux is Thunderbird ... and those of us who have used it aren't impressed. I have been told that clients like Claws and Sylpheed can be customized by scripting ... which is great, if you have been using LInux long enough to be a script wizard. If not, they are very nearly unusable. Seriously, there is no serious free mail client for Linux. There are a couple of commercial clients I haven't tested, but I've tried all the free offerings I could find. Some of them won't even load ... if anyone knows of a *functional* Linux client I've missed, I'll start testing again. Gnome and KDE have clients, but the KDE client is a poor effort to out outlook outlook, and I have been totally unable to figure out how to configure it for multiple accounts. If it recognizes them at all it dumps them all into one inbox. It is also painfully slow. I don't use Gnome, so on that YMMV, and no, I don't propose to go to Gnome for one app, period, endit. A TB! port to Linux would be wonderful, but I don't know how many among the Linux community would be willing to buy a mail client. I would, of course ;-) -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * OpenSuse 12.1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Hi On Saturday 30 June 2012 at 6:05:28 PM, in mid:57965611.20120630120...@jimkyle.com, Jim Kyle wrote: Thursday, June 28, 2012, 3:27:23 PM, you wrote: Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine? I've not tried any of them, but for some 4 years now I've been running a WinXP virtual machine on one Linux box for the specific purpose of staying with TB! while going to Linux as my primary system. It works quite well. I guess once you set it up and forget about it, that's simple enough, so long as your box has sufficient resources to run a virtual machine. I love TB! as my email client, but I was thinking such measures seem like overkill when there are native Linux mailers available. However, I remembered that it took me well over a year of looking around when time permitted and trying two or three mailers at a time, then ditching those I didn't get on with and adding a replacement, before I settled on The Bat! as my MUA in mid-2004. So I kind of get the point. I do have Thunderbird installed on a separate Linux box, I've tried Thunderbird two or three times over the years, but never kept with it for more than a couple of days. Somehow, I was never comfortable with it. (-: and use it primarily for newsgroups Yes, Newsgroups was always something TB! didn't do without some form of Mail-to-News gateway. But it is a mail client not a news client. And I use mailing lists much more than newsgroups - an occasional visit to a web interface to read a newsgroup is not too painful. and occasionally for forwarding things to my primary Email account that feeds the TB! client. I find that to be simpler than trying to copy and paste things across my LAN -- it's possible, of course, but somewhat convoluted. I'm not convinced it *really* is more convoluted to copy/paste across your LAN than to run a Windows email client in a virtual machine on a Linux box. (-; -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com There is no snooze button for a cat that wants breakfast Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Hello MFPA, and use it primarily for newsgroups Yes, Newsgroups was always something TB! didn't do without some form of Mail-to-News gateway. But it is a mail client not a news client. And I use mailing lists much more than newsgroups - an occasional visit to a web interface to read a newsgroup is not too painful. MyGate is a great plugin for the purpose. I've been using it for years. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v5.1.6.7 My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Sunday, July 1, 2012, 10:19:26 AM, you wrote: I'm not convinced it *really* is more convoluted to copy/paste across your LAN than to run a Windows email client in a virtual machine on a Linux box. (-; Put that way, you're right. However I set up Tbird initially to follow one semi-private newsgroup I've been with for many years, so it's just there. I then configured its mail accounts so that it would be available as a temporary backup in case of any problems with the VM rig, so it's a case of using what's in place instead of setting up still more tools... With at least two cores and 2 GB of RAM, the VM is as snappy as my older native installs of WinXP. Actually, the box running TB! is a hyperthreaded Pentium 4 with only one true core, but VirtualBox treats it as two... -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Hi On Friday 29 June 2012 at 8:51:37 AM, in mid:919985856.20120629085...@gjctech.co.uk, Geoff Lane wrote: FWIW, reliance on TB! is one of the things that prevent me from going completely over to Linux, I've aspired to switching to Linux for at least a couple of years, and been fiddling about with it from time to time since last summer but still not taken the plunge. so it's good to read that one can run TB! successfully under WINE. I think people have mentioned there are some minor issues but that on the whole it runs successfully. I've not tried myself... To answer your question: In my case there are two reasons:- 1. I have a lot of time and effort invested in my sorting officerules, templates, and address book and have no wish to duplicatethat effort. I have quite a lot of sorting office rules, many of which are no longer relevant so I should spend time going through it anyway. My templates are modular, with heavy use of QTs so that things only need updating in one place. I make very little use of address book templates, so would expect to be able to export my address books from TB! and import into something else without too much hassle. A client that couldn't use multiple address books and/or a feature like AB groups would be an issue for me. 2. I archive messages rather than just delete them, I delete some and archive the rest via rules that move them into archive folders in a password-protected TB! account. I'm not surewhether the archive software I use (Mailbag Assistant from FookesSoftware) can run successfully under WINE, Whether you take their word for it is up to you, but Fookes Software's website at http://www.fookes.com/mailbag/specifications.php says:- Mailbag Assistant has the following minimum requirements: Windows 98 / 2000 / 2003 / 2008 / NT4 / ME / XP / Vista / Windows 7, or Mac OS / Linux in conjunction with Wine. and I don't want to risk'losing the lot' if it seems to at first but later turns up a 'gotcha'! Of course. (-; -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com No matter where you go, there you are. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Thursday, June 28, 2012, 3:27:23 PM, you wrote: Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine? I've not tried any of them, but for some 4 years now I've been running a WinXP virtual machine on one Linux box for the specific purpose of staying with TB! while going to Linux as my primary system. It works quite well. I do have Thunderbird installed on a separate Linux box, and use it primarily for newsgroups and occasionally for forwarding things to my primary Email account that feeds the TB! client. I find that to be simpler than trying to copy and paste things across my LAN -- it's possible, of course, but somewhat convoluted. Much simpler to Email to myself, then pick up the message in TB! -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 3.2.12 under Xubuntu 10.04.2 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
On 28 June 2012, 21:27, MFPA wrote: I was recently looking at a table of suggested Linus equivalents of Windows software at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html. They have an entry for Email client in The Bat style with five suggestions: Sylpheed, Claws Mail, Kmail, Gnus, and Balsa. Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine?~~~ FWIW, reliance on TB! is one of the things that prevent me from going completely over to Linux, so it's good to read that one can run TB! successfully under WINE. To answer your question: In my case there are two reasons:- 1. I have a lot of time and effort invested in my sorting office rules, templates, and address book and have no wish to duplicate that effort. 2. I archive messages rather than just delete them, I'm not sure whether the archive software I use (Mailbag Assistant from Fookes Software) can run successfully under WINE, and I don't want to risk 'losing the lot' if it seems to at first but later turns up a 'gotcha'! HTH, -- Geoff Lane Cornwall, UK -- Using The Bat! v5.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why do people stick to The Bat! when they switch to Linux?
Hi Over the years I have often seen mention on this list of using The Bat! on a Linux box under Wine, or in a Windows VM, or even by booting Windows just to use TB!. Presumably some of those concerned have made this decision after trialling a range of Linux mail clients and finding them wanting in some way. I was recently looking at a table of suggested Linus equivalents of Windows software at http://www.linuxrsp.ru/win-lin-soft/table-eng.html. They have an entry for Email client in The Bat style with five suggestions: Sylpheed, Claws Mail, Kmail, Gnus, and Balsa. Are such mail clients really so poor as to merit keeping a Windows client on a Linux machine? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com This message represents the official view of the voices in my head. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
