Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Marck! On Saturday, February 9, 2002 at 3:05:08 AM you wrote: No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). Smart Tabs enabled.* *We will run into trouble shortly: Smart Tab, SmartBat, SmartPad - anythyng as smart as TB! should be banned from the public, especially us not-so-smart computer users. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a broker? -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: Okay. It is a drop target. You have to save your attachment and drop it onto a shortcut to the fentun program. Then a window opens showing you the names of any attachments within the message.att file and you get the opportunity to extract them. I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut specifies Start in the same folder. I save my attachment to that folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. Wow, that's really, really convenient! Wish list - 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like normal mailreaders do? 2. Please can somebody rewrite the help file so that it's actually helpful? 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive text editor? Otherwise, I really like it :-) -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Mary, 08. februar 2002, 15:09:37, you wrote: MC 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC normal mailreaders do? It already does that - normal mail readers don't support MS's proprietary format. MC 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive MC text editor? Outlook has a primitive editor. The Bat's editor is perfect for e-mail (do a search in the archives for the word editor). -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/36 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] Whenever in time, and wherever in the universe, any man speaks or writes in any detail about the technical management of a poem, the resulting irascibility of the reader's response is a constant. -- Ciardi's Poetry Law -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Jernej Simoni wrote: MC 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC normal mailreaders do? It already does that - normal mail readers don't support MS's proprietary format. I don't have wide experience of other mailreaders, just Netscape and Eudora, and I've never had these strange .att and .msg attachments before. I can open the .msg ones, but not the .att's, as other people have said. Today I received a message (not html) with a message.msg attached. When I opened it by double-clicking, I could read the message OK, and on another tab there was a tiny jpg image. When I maximised the window the image was enlarged, but when I opened the message a second time it didn't enlarge, and I had to click back and forth between the two tabs before it would enlarge. MC 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive MC text editor? Outlook has a primitive editor. The Bat's editor is perfect for e-mail (do a search in the archives for the word editor). I've never used Outlook, and I'm getting used to TB's editor, but I still find it primitive. I didn't mean that I want an html editor; I prefer text because of the virus risk. What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter twice at the end of each paragraph. It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. -- Mary mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Editor [WAS] Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On Friday, February 08, 2002, 9:48:07 AM, Mary wrote: MC What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you MC write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the MC wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about MC with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. I know it's probably been brought up a million times, but what is the reasoning behind why the editor works this way? That is why when I go back and add text it doesn't wrap it nicely but has it stick out or do other crazy stuff and then I have to use ALT-L? And then like Mary said when auto-format is on it messes with the line breaks. I'm getting used to going back and doing alt-L on things but I'm curious why it is set up this way? I mean I have a powerful text editor called UltraEdit and with wrapping on it preserves line breaks but yet wraps according to what ever margin I set it at. Not trying to bring up the whole Bat editor war, just curious behind the reasoning why it is the way it is. -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The memories of my family outings are still a source of strength to me. I remember we'd all pile into the car - I forget what kind it was - and drive and drive. I'm not sure where we'd go, but I think there were some trees there. The smell of something was strong in the air as we played whatever sport we played. I remember a bigger, older guy we called Dad.' We'd eat some stuff, or not, and then I think we went home. I guess some things never leave you. -Jack Handey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Mary, Friday, February 08, 2002, 9:48:07 AM, you wrote: MC I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because MC it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter MC twice at the end of each paragraph. MC It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in MC programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. I am finding the TB! editor is growing on me to the point that, after a month or so of using it, I wish I could configure my other text editors and word processors so they worked in the same manner. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Mary, On Fri, 8 Feb 2002 15:09:37 +0100GMT (8-2-2002, 15:09 +0100GMT, where I live), you wrote: MC 1. Please can the next version of TB treat attachments just like MC normal mailreaders do? There is no 'like normal mailreaders do'. Recently somebody posted an attachment with outlook 2000 to a restricted list I'm subscribed to. Two members using Outlook Express didn't even see the attachment. One member, using Eudora, saw the attachment, but had troubles accessing it. TB saw the attachment, could save it, could access it. Can't say that I've ever had any problems with TB handling attachments. -- Groetjes, Roelof -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mary, On 08 February 2002 at 15:48:07 +0100 (which was 14:48 where I live) Mary Cassidy wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] What I meant was that with Netscape and Eudora, for example, if you write a message and then add bits to it, as most people do, the wrapping automatically puts itself right; you don't have to mess about with ALT-L or wade through the menus looking for formatting options. The default formatting option is not to use Auto-format. The editor preferences are few and reasonably simple. Auto-format is easily turned on and then even more easily controlled with the Ctrl-Shift-F keystroke. This is the option whereby the wrapping automatically puts itself right. I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter twice at the end of each paragraph. Not really - it's just something to get used to. It greatly improves plain-text legibility and is a habit worth cultivating. It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. The default is to autowrap, but not to auto re-wrap. As is often said here, the editor takes some getting used to but the majority find it a task worth undertaking. There's a noisy minority that will leap in and say It's horrible, an abomination, get rid of it, I hate it, but the consensus remains - try to get used to it. It's a great little editor once you get to know it, capable of many things that lesser editors just can't handle, and *so* well suited for the task at hand. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - think ... freely- http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/RjOeQkq5KdzaARApeqAKCRyDZiB3NgDQqjQ4vgV/Yk+byq/wCfeNFl 0kXM/1ux+Gdwtvc1I5jR2Lg= =z8T1 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, On 08 February 2002 at 10:48:25 -0500 (which was 15:48 where I live) David Denton wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I am finding the TB! editor is growing on me to the point that, after a month or so of using it, I wish I could configure my other text editors and word processors so they worked in the same manner. Exactly! - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8Y/MQOeQkq5KdzaARAkN/AJsGYnS6HdZNC8fgj4NCN2piPSQ6NwCfS6I+ 2UHi394TqKVvnIVY5eioyIQ= =2kRT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On Friday, February 08, 2002, at 16:09:37, Mary wrote about: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment) I have a shortcut to fentun in a desktop folder. The shortcut specifies Start in the same folder. I save my attachment to that folder, open the folder, drag the file onto fentun, extract the files and they are saved back into the same folder again, ready to use. Wow, that's really, really convenient! Thank you *very much* for that Howto. Where do you want to go today :- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. TB is actually pretty good, but it would be nice to be able to remap the keyboard - and not just for the editor - so that one doesn't have to remember multiple ways to do the same thing (e.g., reformat paragraph, F5 for search, etc.) jon Friday, February 08, 2002, 10:48:25 AM, you wrote: Hello Mary, Friday, February 08, 2002, 9:48:07 AM, you wrote: MC I've given up using autoformat (or was it justify on wrap?), because MC it deletes the paragraph marks, and it's too much trouble to hit enter MC twice at the end of each paragraph. MC It may sound like no big deal, but when you spend all day typing in MC programs that wrap automatically, it just doesn't come naturally. I am finding the TB! editor is growing on me to the point that, after a month or so of using it, I wish I could configure my other text editors and word processors so they worked in the same manner. - Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
On 08 February 2002 at 4:00 pm Jonathan wrote: Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. TB is actually pretty good, but it would be nice to be able to remap the keyboard - and not just for the editor - so that one doesn't have to remember multiple ways to do the same thing (e.g., reformat paragraph, F5 for search, etc.) I think the problem is that TB!'s editor is deliberately _not_ like other editors in many ways. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but the ubiquity of Microsoft applications (and copies of the way they do things) exerts enormous hidden pressure to always do things the same way. Something else useful for new users (and old users :) would be a button in Options | Editor Preferences to reset them to the defaults. It is _very easy_ to go away from the defaults and get completely confused ... (This is wish no.492 for those who want to look in the bugtracker). Alastair -- Alastair Scott (London, United Kingdom) Using Windows 95 and The Bat! 1.54 Beta/37 This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
AS I think the problem is that TB!'s editor is deliberately _not_ like AS other editors in many ways. That doesn't mean that it's wrong, but the AS ubiquity of Microsoft applications (and copies of the way they do AS things) exerts enormous hidden pressure to always do things the same AS way. Well, I use a lot of editors that are not related to Micorsoft and I don't think they all are trying to copy microsoft. Before I complain at all, maybe I should first make the comment that possibly I just have things set up wrong. Here's what I don't get: Scenario I - Auto-Format is Off. I go along and type up up stuff. Type some paragraphs hit return to start a new paragraph. Everything is fine. Then I have to go back add some text here and there and the text gets all messed up so I have hit Alt-L periodically to clear things up. This I find incredibly annoying, I'm sorry, you guys might like it but I'm sorry I don't like it. So the answer you say is use Auto-Format, which brings up scenario II. Secnario II - Auto-Format On. Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't bring me to a new line. I just really must be missing something here. This has nothing to do with microsoft. I'm all for keeping the editor the way it is if there is a good reason for this behavior that I just don't get. And if there is a reason for this behavior this should be the exception to the norm and the option be to select this type of behavior. The bottom line is why is there a not an option so that I can type text have it wrap, be able to insert text and not have to use Alt-L to reformat, and be able to hit enter to generate a new line? This is simply intuitive and really has nothing to do with being conditioned or anything by using other editors. If I simply have The Bat! options configured wrong someone please let me know. Thanks Lots. _ Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I hope that someday we will be able to put away our fears and prejudices and just laugh at people. -Jack Handey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
ON Friday, February 08, 2002, 3:09:37 PM, you wrote: Mary 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary text editor? You better stand back and take cover :( Mary Otherwise, I really like it :-) To late now ;-) -- Best regards, Gerard Insert Cookie Here-- If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail. -- Maslow Windows 2000 Professional with TB Version 1.53t -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Gerard! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 6:50:04 PM you wrote: Mary 3. Please could somebody do something about TB's incredibly primitive Mary text editor? You better stand back and take cover :( Another of the good tips to follow: Look for the word editor in the archives: 1. It will answer the question in question. 2. You don't have to stand back ... 3. ... just take shelter, as you will get loads and loads of messages about the editor. -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Erwarte von anderen nur, was Du selbst bereit bist zu geben. (Romy Walda) -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[2]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Thanks Marck, your explanations are really helping me better understand this ( even though I'm not totally getting the whole line return thing, but that's just my ignorance, I'll work on understanding it better ). Totally not related to the topic, but Marck, did you modify your reply template to have it set up to automatically generate it like: reply text here That is really cool, and I like it much better than how I was doing it where I would simply indent my response under the blocks of reply text. Your way looks much more clear. Also, stupid question I'm sure but when you made that bulleted list you simply used the letter o for the bullets and than spaced over for each bulleted point. My question I guess is being just a text editor there is no special formatting for creating bulleted lists is there? Thanks again. ORIGINAL THREAD BELOW: On Friday, February 08, 2002, 12:17:55 PM, Marck wrote: MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 MDP Hi Rick, MDP On 08 February 2002 at 11:31:39 -0500 (which was 16:31 where I live) MDP Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Secnario II - Auto-Format On. Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't bring me to a new line. MDP You need two new lines. Since this is plain text, the only way to MDP delimit two distinct paragraphs is by have a clear, blank line between MDP them. The bottom line is why is there a not an option so that I can type text have it wrap, be able to insert text and not have to use Alt-L to reformat, and be able to hit enter to generate a new line? MDP Because a single new line doesn't denote a new pargraph. Sometimes I MDP want to type a bullet list so I have to turn Auto-Format off. There's MDP a control key combo for that - it's simple enough to remember - MDP Ctrl-Shift-F. MDP o Typing paragraph data?Turn it on. MDP o Typing lists? Turn it off. MDP o Amending a paragraph? Turn it on. If I simply have The Bat! options configured wrong someone please let me know. Thanks Lots. MDP It's not that you have it configured wrong - just that you are MDP expecting too much of a plain text format. Plain text only has hard MDP returns, no soft returns. Auto format is about moving the hard returns MDP around so that the text better fits the given margins. Where should it MDP stop moving hard returns? When it gets to a paragraph break. What does MDP one of those look like? A completely blank line. It is logical, but MDP not intuitive thanks to expectations brought about by editors which MDP handle soft returns. MDP It has been suggested in the past that the TB programmers implement MDP some system of soft returns. I've always felt that to be dangerous. At MDP least with the present system, what we type is what will be sent. No MDP behind-the-scenes formatting for us TB users - oh no! ;-). MDP FWIW, the TB editor *does* follow a standard. It's a very old one. MDP It's based on the old MS-DOS SideKick editor, which itself drew from MDP the old WordStar standard. These standards are still in use in most MDP Borland IDE editors (with tweaks and additions). -- Rick mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Why do people in ship mutinies always ask for 'better treatment'? I'd ask for a pinball machine, because with all that rocking back and forth you'd probably be able to get a lot of free games. -Jack Handey -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Jonathan! On Friday, February 8, 2002 at 5:00:16 PM you wrote: Use a high end editor (like Multi Edit, Slick Edit, etc) and see if you feel the same way! The number one feature that distinguishes these are _configurability_ (keymapping, toolbar, etc) although TB wouldn't the need extension-specific configuration. 1. I am with you on the key mapping ... but, what the h*** does it have to do with the editor? 2. As for the editors you mention, they are for other purposes than TB!'s editor. I do really like Word - and there is no arguing that it is an editor - but don't want TB!'s editor to behave like it (editorwise). -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de http://Interest.Write4U.de/pongo PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.54 Beta/37 on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Paying for movies is like paying for sex - if it's free it feels better. -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Rick, 08. februar 2002, 19:46:48, you wrote: reply text here RR That is really cool, and I like it much better than how I was doing it RR where I would simply indent my response under the blocks of reply RR text. Your way looks much more clear. This happened because your original text was indented AFAIK :) You could however achieve this with some QTs. Only problem is, that they only work in 1.54 (1.53 crashes if you try to use them)... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/36 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] 1. The value of a program is proportional to the weight of its output. 2. Undetectable errors are infinite in variety, in contrast to detectable errors, which by definition are limited. -- Hind's Laws of Computer Programming -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 11:31:39 -0500 (which was 16:31 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Secnario II - Auto-Format On. Well now when I go back and add text things wrap fine, so everything is great until I hit return/enter and it doesn't bring me to a new line. You need two new lines. Since this is plain text, the only way to delimit two distinct paragraphs is by have a clear, blank line between them. The bottom line is why is there a not an option so that I can type text have it wrap, be able to insert text and not have to use Alt-L to reformat, and be able to hit enter to generate a new line? Because a single new line doesn't denote a new pargraph. Sometimes I want to type a bullet list so I have to turn Auto-Format off. There's a control key combo for that - it's simple enough to remember - Ctrl-Shift-F. o Typing paragraph data?Turn it on. o Typing lists? Turn it off. o Amending a paragraph? Turn it on. If I simply have The Bat! options configured wrong someone please let me know. Thanks Lots. It's not that you have it configured wrong - just that you are expecting too much of a plain text format. Plain text only has hard returns, no soft returns. Auto format is about moving the hard returns around so that the text better fits the given margins. Where should it stop moving hard returns? When it gets to a paragraph break. What does one of those look like? A completely blank line. It is logical, but not intuitive thanks to expectations brought about by editors which handle soft returns. It has been suggested in the past that the TB programmers implement some system of soft returns. I've always felt that to be dangerous. At least with the present system, what we type is what will be sent. No behind-the-scenes formatting for us TB users - oh no! ;-). FWIW, the TB editor *does* follow a standard. It's a very old one. It's based on the old MS-DOS SideKick editor, which itself drew from the old WordStar standard. These standards are still in use in most Borland IDE editors (with tweaks and additions). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - let the thoughts flow http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZAhEOeQkq5KdzaARAgNXAKClg/mDCklvH0XscYQ05bEtEbEoagCfS8wR 9kVvCgbS2JWOi7qgXCeP0wk= =FZnJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re[3]: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
Hello Jonathan, 08. februar 2002, 22:28:31, you wrote: snip JW TB's Shift-F7 and Ctrl-F7 are like nothing else I've seen. I find JW them quite awkward (in general I prefer one handed keyboard short JW cuts.) Look at Norton Commander's (and it's clones') editor :) JW 2) Reformatting a paragraph. I like Ctrl-R (although in ME, it's much more handy JW in that it will reformat the paragraph and the cursor will then move to the next JW one.) I do see the logic in TB's mapping for it, but again I'd like to be JW consistent between editors. Bat uses Alt+L for left, Alt+R for right, Alt+J for justify and Alt+C for center... -- Jernej Simoncic, [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www2.arnes.si/~sopjsimo/ ICQ: 26266467 [The Bat! v1.54 Beta/36 on Windows 98 4.10.. A ] The length of any meeting is inversely proportional to the length of the agenda for that meeting. -- McLaughlin's Law -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Wish list (was: Microsoft attachment)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Rick, On 08 February 2002 at 13:46:48 -0500 (which was 18:46 where I live) Rick Reumann wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] reply text here That is really cool, and I like it much better than how I was doing it where I would simply indent my response under the blocks of reply text. Your way looks much more clear. Nah - it was as Pit said - just that your original text was indented when I quoted it. ... My question I guess is being just a text editor there is no special formatting for creating bulleted lists is there? No there wasn't. It was as simple as 'o' and TAB (which, on the second line, lines up with the indent on the first, etc.). - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ___ \ BrainStorm - a spare brain - from: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/37-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) iD8DBQE8ZIPWOeQkq5KdzaARAsWEAKCXqFWvoz4VQDkfLxJm9gkYB42xQgCeLEgz 69j+7uYL19PiqsdkE1AeaW4= =3MAA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
