Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Hello Tony Boom, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 10:45:10 + GMT your local time, which was Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 5:45:10 PM (GMT+0700) my local time, Tony Boom wrote: This message: 01/02/2000 10:42 GMT. Hello all, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:14:44 AM, you wrote: AM I see only a size 9 and a 14. Should you not be able to use all the fonts and sizes that are available to Windows? I just tried it all the way up to size 72 and my preview pane was 37 screens wide :-) 9 and 14 is all I get and its a nice font so how to get a 12??? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Hello Jast, On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 19:46:19 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Wednesday, February 02, 2000, 1:46:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Morning phil, Moderators here usually only notify people that are close to breaking the rules of that. More never was necessary. Hope I helped clearing things up ^_^ sofar we only managed to bread a load of dead horses and this one is going that way.. Phil you post something nobody can read in an email newsletter, you should not be surprised they like to know what it is. or in my own case, I like that font even if the japanese and Rusian now in Ascii is unreadable.(g) A real sore point.. Whatever, how do I get size 12 of that font? Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
DEAD HORSE was Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Hi tracer, On 02 February 2000 at 20:03:24 GMT +0700 (which was 13:03 where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points: t sofar we only managed to bread a load of dead horses and this one t is going that way.. t Phil you post something nobody can read in an email newsletter, you t should not be surprised they like to know what it is. This is a DEAD HORSE. Phil resigned from this list yesterday. -- Cheers, .\\arck Marck D. Pearlstone, Consultant Software Engineer Co-moderator TBUDL / TBBETA www: http://www.silverstones.com PGP key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Body=GET%20MARCKKEY *--- | Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 S/N 14F4B4B2 | under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 *--- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
This message: 02/02/2000 16:44 GMT. Hello tracer, Wednesday, February 02, 2000, 12:33:26 PM, you wrote: t 9 and 14 is all I get and its a nice font so how to get a 12??? Well all I do is right click on a message, Preferences, Display and Change and I get every size from 8 to 72. -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning tracer, Well, typing it in works for me even in the WPC font, although all sizes aren't shown. But what about reading??? I was talking about typing in the font size in the dialog so it would show in that size in the editor/viewer even if this size isn't given for selection. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Hello Jast, On Wed, 2 Feb 2000 18:12:19 +0100 GMT your local time, which was Thursday, February 03, 2000, 12:12:19 AM (GMT+0700) my local time, Jast wrote: Morning tracer, Well, typing it in works for me even in the WPC font, although all sizes aren't shown. But what about reading??? I was talking about typing in the font size in the dialog so it would show in that size in the editor/viewer even if this size isn't given for selection. Ok, that worked, I had tried that but when reading one is too small and the other one too big... Best regards, tracer -- Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
This message: 01/02/2000 10:42 GMT. Hello all, Tuesday, February 01, 2000, 3:14:44 AM, you wrote: AM I see only a size 9 and a 14. Should you not be able to use all the fonts and sizes that are available to Windows? I just tried it all the way up to size 72 and my preview pane was 37 screens wide :-) -- _ Best regards, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tony. PGP key and web site http://www.awb.org.uk _ Using The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 under Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning Allie Martin, First, you're seeing red folders and now you installed WPC font and have all sizes available for use. Hey, I'll soon be sending for your machine so be sure to keep an eye on it. :) FWIW, I too have all sizes for choice with the Courier new font. With the other fonts I just enter the number I want manually - it works |-) -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
p and why does a three line tagline bother you?
(I get arrogant because I dont want to say )
WK Because we can not read it.
(he gets arrogant with the Wrath of Moderator
Godliness on his side)
WK Please use an encoding that is appropriate for
WK an international mailing list.
(please explain in DETAIL what that is. Give a
URL or something at least!)
WK And please add a signature delimiter
this actually sounds like a scolding from mother
is that the moderators intent?
hopefully you get so angry the blood vessels are
bulging out of your neck about now. I actually
hope you are mad. That's good. Get mad and kick
me out. Do it. Then I can show everyone on
USENET how screwed up you are. You can prove
your point here. But I can prove my point
elsewhere. It's a free world.
TF And this is where I have to defend Wolfgang: I would think this
TF wording is considered appropriately polite in Germany. I am sure he
TF didn't intend to convey any bad vibes. (Wolfgang, correct me if I'm
TF wrong.)
Wolfgang aka the Moderator is CORRECT 100% that I
left out a tearline aka delimiter aka kludge or
what ever you want to call the dash dash space.
I was all ready to let this go, but now my
question remains. What is appropriate.
are those little @ 's appropriate?
@ eat @
@ at @
@ Joe's @
@
if so how many lines can follow the --
How about a specific NUMBER please. So there is no
question.
Where is the line drawn exactly?
look i understand what a tearline is what PID's
are and such from fidonet.
which follow a format like this:
- [0] Netmail (66:1916/0) NETMAIL -
Msg : 2 of 2 Uns Dir Pvt Cra Loc K/s
From : Charred 99:916/025 Jan 00 08:43:57
To : Spaceman99:916/5
Subj : remember bbs's
-230
INTL 99:916/5 99:916/0
FLAGS DIR
MSGID: 99:916/0 388d62e3
PID: GED 2.5.b6 yeah right
Hello Spaceman.
cool my old editor works still.
Charred
... You have the capacity to learn from mistakes. You'll learn a lot today.
--- GoldED
But this isn't the question.
The question is. Where does harassment stop and
the vague term appropriate begin? I mean if your
laying down some heavy rules then let's be
specific and not so vague. Otherwise you are the
one displaying the annoying behavior. By telling
us do as i say not as i do.
To me Those little @@@ are not
appropriate. But you don't hear my whining about
that. They're annoying, yet I fully expected to
see them. and the BOX people - etc.. I
already know there is going to be a certain amount
of that--it what separates the the GREY AND BLACK
world from the world of FUN and COLOR!
Already I found a way to make a LINE DISAPPEAR
from the average viewer. Maybe you like this neat
trick? or is it too annoying behavior?
-
Can you read this.
-
between the above line say's, "Can you read this."
Is invisible text appropriate?
shift right click to read it
You can flip back to the FACT i didn't use a
TEARLINE or a DELIMITER or WHATEVER you want to
call it. I totally AGREE. Your right. I forgot
to add that in the message.
I repeat again and again It wont happen again.
I've already said that.
But beyond that. Come on. Is there a CHARTER, a
FAQ, a RULES , a guideline or something that
specifically says what is APPROPRIATE. What if
someone asks a question written in spanish? Is it
a problem? What about Laotian? Or the alphabet of
Malachim. Where does it stop?
Which languages are allowed ( I assume english )
if it's english only then what is this doing here
in this Mailing list:
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
If i had to translate Japanese I would have used
a PLAIN TEXT FILE AND SENT AN ATTACHMENT. since
the interface isn't 100%.
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to
everyone else as well. Or else get some
faq's or something out to US!
Are Lower ascii codes dangerous?
Are Higher ascii codes dangerous?
Shouldn't we all know this answer?
I admit to 1/2 the BLAME for using no
"delimiter" as wolfgang puts it. Your 100% right.
I screwed up.
The other 1/2 of the BLAME here, is the lack of a
FAQ or charter to tell me specifically NOT to use
high/low ascii.
And any other wierd stuff that people try.
An outline.I mean you can boot me off the
list. That IS what a moderator does. This is
not what I wanted out of this mail list when I
signed up for it.
I've been in many mail-lists, MB's, BBS's, FTS-001
nets , I never HAD a problem as long as I followed
fidonet's little rule of non-annoying behavior. BUT
FIDONET had it written down for someone to read it.
Some have said a rule of thumb is three lines of
text at the end of the message.
Now only MY question
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 14:52:19 +0100, Jast wrote: First, you're seeing red folders and now you installed WPC font and have all sizes available for use. Hey, I'll soon be sending for your machine so be sure to keep an eye on it. :) FWIW, I too have all sizes for choice with the Courier new font. With the other fonts I just enter the number I want manually - it works |-) Actually I was referring to the WPC font that Phil posted. I have no problems with courier new either. With respect to the other fonts, simply typing in the desired size doesn't always work for me especially with some of these fixed width fonts that I have accumulated. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** Oxymoron: Too Many Taglines. ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote:
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well.
Or else get some faq's or something out to US!
You're not being singled out Phil.
Anyway, RFC1855, speaks on netiquette guidelines. Here are some
excerpts:
Abstract
This document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
Etiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
their own use. As such, it is deliberately written in a bulleted
format to make adaptation easier and to make any particular item easy
(or easier) to find. It also functions as a minimum set of
guidelines for individuals, both users and administrators. This memo
is the product of the Responsible Use of the Network (RUN) Working
Group of the IETF.
{...snip...}
3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
- Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
the culture of the group.
- Do not blame the system administrator for the behavior of the
system users.
- Consider that a large audience will see your posts.
That may include your present or your next boss. Take
care in what you write. Remember too, that mailing lists and
Newsgroups are frequently archived, and that your words may be
stored for a very long time in a place to which many people have
access.
- Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they
say does not represent their organization (unless stated
explicitly).
- Remember that both mail and news take system resources. Pay
attention to any specific rules covering their uses your
organization may have.
- Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
as an immature beginner.
- Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group.
- Forgeries and spoofing are not approved behavior.
- Advertising is welcomed on some lists and Newsgroups, and abhorred
on others! This is another example of knowing your audience
before you post. Unsolicited advertising which is completely
off-topic will most certainly guarantee that you get a lot of
hate mail.
- If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
- Again, be sure to have a signature which you attach to your
message. This will guarantee that any peculiarities of mailers or
newsreaders which strip header information will not delete the
only reference in the message of how people may reach you.
- Be careful when you reply to messages or postings. Frequently
replies are sent back to the address which originated the post -
which in many cases is the address of a list or group! You may
accidentally send a personal response to a great many people,
embarrassing all involved. It's best to type in the address
instead of relying on "reply."
- Delivery receipts, non-delivery notices, and vacation programs
are neither totally standardized nor totally reliable across the
range of systems connected to Internet mail. They are invasive
when sent to mailing lists, and some people consider delivery
receipts an invasion of privacy. In short, do not use them.
- If you find a personal message has gone to a list or group, send
an apology to the person and to the group.
- If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
make your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
send messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a
point on which the group might have some interest, you may
summarize for them later.
- Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
to incendiary material.
- Avoid sending messages or posting articles which are no more than
gratuitous replies to replies.
- Be careful with monospacing fonts and diagrams. These will
display differently on different systems, and with different
mailers on the same system.
- There are Newsgroups and Mailing Lists which discuss topics
of wide varieties of
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote: Anyway I say I am singled out. If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well. Or else get some faq's or something out to US! AM You're not being singled out Phil. I get the message -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning phil,
cool down dude :-) Nobody here has the intent to single you out or
whatever. People basically just asked the question "What does your
signature mean?" as it wouldn't work with most encodings. You just kind of
misinterpreted this...
WK And please add a signature delimiter
this actually sounds like a scolding from mother
is that the moderators intent?
No, I don't think so. Wolfgang just asked you to please add a signature
delimiter. I see nothing wrong in him asking to please add a signature
delimiter, nor in the way he did it... Besides, a sig delimiter isn't even
required here, just appreciated.
How about a specific NUMBER please. So there is no question.
Where is the line drawn exactly?
Some people have 6 line sigs and it won't bother. 4 lines is considered
100% acceptable mostly.
The question is. Where does harassment stop and the vague term
appropriate begin? I mean if your laying down some heavy rules then let's
be specific and not so vague.
I don't consider the rules here very "heavy" and not following them have
been handled pretty jovially in the past. You just keep misinterpreting
people :-)
Already I found a way to make a LINE DISAPPEAR from the average viewer.
Maybe you like this neat trick? or is it too annoying behavior?
-
Can you read this.
FYI, I can read it without doing anything. In the font you sent it's the
smiley 001. YaY, I like smileys because they remind me of ZZT.
But beyond that. Come on. Is there a CHARTER, a FAQ, a RULES , a
guideline or something that specifically says what is APPROPRIATE.
You get extensive information on this when subscribing to TBUDL.
What if someone asks a question written in spanish?
Then this person probably won't get too many replies as the only common
language here is English. Also one should take discussions in non-english
off-list. That is all.
Which languages are allowed ( I assume english ) if it's english only
then what is this doing here in this Mailing list:
JDH ú{êÎͯµÄïµÈ¢B
If i had to translate Japanese I would have used a PLAIN TEXT FILE AND
SENT AN ATTACHMENT. since the interface isn't 100%.
It's only an example for those that it concerns. It doesn't concern me,
I can live without knowing what is says (though I'd prefer to)
I say I am singled out.
Gee no!
Are Lower ascii codes dangerous?
No.
Are Higher ascii codes dangerous?
Only for understandability, and it's usually in minor points.
An outline. I mean you can boot me off the list. That IS what a moderator
does.
Moderators here usually only notify people that are close to breaking the
rules of that. More never was necessary.
Hope I helped clearing things up ^_^
--
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Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Morning Allie Martin, Actually I was referring to the WPC font that Phil posted. I have no problems with courier new either. With respect to the other fonts, simply typing in the desired size doesn't always work for me especially with some of these fixed width fonts that I have accumulated. Well, typing it in works for me even in the WPC font, although all sizes aren't shown. -- .. Jast . mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :with The Bat! 1.41 / Beta1 http://www.zz-s.de :on Windows 98 4.10 Build A AIM jasticle:... -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM On Tue, 1 Feb 2000 07:06:10 -0800, phil wrote:
Anyway
I say I am singled out.
If your going to moderate me then DO it to everyone else as well.
Or else get some faq's or something out to US!
AM You're not being singled out Phil.
AM Anyway, RFC1855, speaks on netiquette guidelines. Here are some
AM excerpts:
AM Abstract
AMThis document provides a minimum set of guidelines for Network
AMEtiquette (Netiquette) which organizations may take and adapt for
AMtheir own use. As such, it is deliberately written in a bulleted
AMformat to make adaptation easier and to make any particular item easy
AM(or easier) to find. It also functions as a minimum set of
AMguidelines for individuals, both users and administrators. This memo
AMis the product of the Responsible Use of the Network (RUN) Working
AMGroup of the IETF.
AM {...snip...}
AM 3.1.1 General Guidelines for mailing lists and NetNews
AM - Read both mailing lists and newsgroups for one to two months before
AM you post anything. This helps you to get an understanding of
AM the culture of the group.
AM - Do not blame the system administrator for the behavior of the
AM system users.
AM - Consider that a large audience will see your posts.
AM That may include your present or your next boss. Take
AM care in what you write. Remember too, that mailing lists and
AM Newsgroups are frequently archived, and that your words may be
AM stored for a very long time in a place to which many people have
AM access.
AM - Assume that individuals speak for themselves, and what they
AM say does not represent their organization (unless stated
AM explicitly).
AM - Remember that both mail and news take system resources. Pay
AM attention to any specific rules covering their uses your
AM organization may have.
AM - Messages and articles should be brief and to the point. Don't
AM wander off-topic, don't ramble and don't send mail or post
AM messages solely to point out other people's errors in typing
AM or spelling. These, more than any other behavior, mark you
AM as an immature beginner.
AM - Subject lines should follow the conventions of the group.
AM - Forgeries and spoofing are not approved behavior.
AM - Advertising is welcomed on some lists and Newsgroups, and abhorred
AM on others! This is another example of knowing your audience
AM before you post. Unsolicited advertising which is completely
AM off-topic will most certainly guarantee that you get a lot of
AM hate mail.
AM - If you are sending a reply to a message or a posting be sure you
AM summarize the original at the top of the message, or include just
AM enough text of the original to give a context. This will make
AM sure readers understand when they start to read your response.
AM Since NetNews, especially, is proliferated by distributing the
AM postings from one host to another, it is possible to see a
AM response to a message before seeing the original. Giving context
AM helps everyone. But do not include the entire original!
AM - Again, be sure to have a signature which you attach to your
AM message. This will guarantee that any peculiarities of mailers or
AM newsreaders which strip header information will not delete the
AM only reference in the message of how people may reach you.
AM - Be careful when you reply to messages or postings. Frequently
AM replies are sent back to the address which originated the post -
AM which in many cases is the address of a list or group! You may
AM accidentally send a personal response to a great many people,
AM embarrassing all involved. It's best to type in the address
AM instead of relying on "reply."
AM - Delivery receipts, non-delivery notices, and vacation programs
AM are neither totally standardized nor totally reliable across the
AM range of systems connected to Internet mail. They are invasive
AM when sent to mailing lists, and some people consider delivery
AM receipts an invasion of privacy. In short, do not use them.
AM - If you find a personal message has gone to a list or group, send
AMan apology to the person and to the group.
AM - If you should find yourself in a disagreement with one person,
AMmake your responses to each other via mail rather than continue to
AMsend messages to the list or the group. If you are debating a
AMpoint on which the group might have some interest, you may
AMsummarize for them later.
AM - Don't get involved in flame wars. Neither post nor respond
AM to incendiary material.
AM - Avoid sending messages or posting articles which are no more than
AM gratuitous replies to replies.
AM - Be careful with
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Sorry, don't know how the preceeding got sent. Musta been a twitchy finger 'cause I was just browsing messages all morning, and didn't want to reply to this thread. -tom! -- Knowin' this said *nothing* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the AM signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I AM would assume that you include a signature for your readers to AM understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't AM understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place, AM I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is AM coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my AM intention. Is it yours? If I read the string of mails correctly the many remarks / cinmplaints werent about the contents of the signature but mainly that receivered didnt have a clue what it meant due to all of us using different fonts. And explaining it in a poem doesnt help as the same fonts will show every character as it was in the signature... It was a nice short signature, just that almost nobody could read it(g) Best regards, tracer Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] I am using FireTalk: 321338 ICQ: on request Website: www.phuketcomputers.com -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
AM The next thing is that no-one is *telling* you not to use the AM signature that *you* like. But there is one very logical issue here. I AM would assume that you include a signature for your readers to AM understand right and not simply for you to admire. If they don't AM understand it, then why include it? Frankly, if I were in your place, AM I'd thank the readership for indicating to me that my signature is AM coming across as unreadable gibberish because that's clearly not my AM intention. Is it yours? t If I read the string of mails correctly the many remarks / cinmplaints t werent about the contents of the signature but mainly that receivered t didnt have a clue what it meant due to all of us using different t fonts. t And explaining it in a poem doesnt help as the same fonts will show t every character as it was in the signature... t It was a nice short signature, just that almost nobody could read it(g) t Best regards, t tracer t Using theBAT 1.39 with Windows 98 t mail to : [EMAIL PROTECTED] t I am using FireTalk: 321338 t ICQ: on request t Website: www.phuketcomputers.com whatever man. let it go. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
I was thinking i should not even reply to this but since there is no major snafu here i will let her rip there are many things here you can't read like pictures of faces in ascii you havent said a word about them so what makes a GRAPH any different how many lines of fluff are allowed or are you are making the same fuss about all those little drawings (bandwidth wasters) id assume since it is an international mailing list yes okay 40bytes * tbudl subscribed users = massive wasted space in gigabytes i see the logic wait then nobody should have any fluff in their message at all it should be evident that i am correct unless want me to quote some of that for you and let you decide what is acceptable encoding and what is not i paid for the bat personal version i dont have a right to be here the same as you? with the volume of messages that comes from tbudl you would think that three lines isnt a big deal on the flipside might i stumble upon an exploit by accident what then? i seriously doubt it with ascii but what if I did what then? you tell me i would want to know about it wouldnt you? what encoding would that be in order to be appropriate exactly? aM i supposed to know all that when it looks perfectly okay here in plain ascii regarding my lack of a delimiter now that i can relate to your right i didnt happen to use a delimiter for the graph what was i thinkingi dont know why i am so dumb it wont happen again then again for all i know this is a welcome to the mail list initiation for the neophyte did i pass yet do we really got to go thru this i will humble myself before the moderator gods for you and whoever else i sacrifice myself to the cyber god i have one thing to say beforehand i am not honestly sorry for breaking a rule that i didnt know existed How Can I be? i havent flamed anyone i wasnt trolling for anyone i wasnt trying to make enemys with anyone it was supposed to be a graph of v 1.41 the bat and the relation between that and version 2.xx the bat and some neat looking characters that i happened to like at the time when i was thinking what the symbology represented the is a symbol of a musical note (1/4 notes?) made with decimal 14 hex 0E name SO control char ^N the is a symbol that looks like the money made from the music a dollar sign no now that i am looking at it it looks like a spring coiled up made with decimal 21 hex 15 name NAK control char ^U the is a symbol that represents man (musician perhaps) made with decimal 128 hex 80 the is a symbol that looks like a pacman made with decimal 149 hex 95 the is a symbol that represents the moon made with decimal 151 hex 97 the is a symbol of a star a pentagram four elements(earth air fire water) with spirit at the top made with decimal 154 hex 97 all in the ASCII table the ùù is made by alt-219 repeatedly in dos for example in aciddraw or thedraw or any ascii editor most ansi artists know that character/symbol well the v2.00 represents the symbol of thebat! v2.xx the ùùv1.41 is the second half of this little graph representing thebat! v1.41 like a poem or other types of prose many thoughts and ideas can be packed into a very small space which was my intent perception is not an equal factor and now what was supposed to be three little lines is over 1MB i am sure it's because i have fonts for ascii in windows installed as the default ever draw ascii art like from [ICE] insane creators before? since i wasted so much bandwidth on this tagline issue the font i used is attached for everyone whats 8k more at this point to end the thread if it is considered annoying behavior to use any high ascii chars then i wont do it again i will remove all sigs and test on my own maillist generally ive enjoyed being here hopefully this isnt about to abruptly change i repeat it wont happen again from this server the only reason i quoted and broke down the message is because it was requested i didnt have to tell anyone what it was but i did i see that simply talking around wont work with some of the more persistent folks who stir the pot on a regular basis more power too them since they own me already i refuse to play their arrogant game you win i loose have a nice day p and why does a three line tagline bother you? WK Because we can not read it. WK Please use an encoding that is appropriate for WK an international mailing list. WK And please add a signature delimiter -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ascii.zip
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:13:39 -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i paid for the bat personal version i dont have a right to be here
the same as you?
Oh absolutely. :) Never again let anyone bring that question
in your mind. friendly nudge
then again for all i know this is a welcome to the mail list
initiation for the neophyte did i pass yet do we really got to go
thru this
It can be a bit rough in the beginning here. I went through
the same sort of thing. There's a perfectly rationale reason for the
delimiter though, so focus on that rather than the way in which you
were asked to include it (BTW, I don't really have a problem with how
you were asked. Wolfgang was just being formal though not overbearing,
IMHO). No one can force you to use a signature delimiter. We can only
kindly ask that you use one. :)
it was supposed to be a graph of v 1.41 the bat
{...snip...}
all in the ASCII table
I see it all now that I installed your font; which brings me
to the real reason for the reply.
!!Thanks for the font!!
It is a welcome change and it does look nice and easy to read.
The symbols in _my_ sig don't look the way they should using your
font. :(
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Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
!!Thanks for the font!! It is a welcome change and it does look nice and easy to read. Really? In TB, I get only two fonts sizes, 7 and 11. Seven is really small and eleven is a big bolded thing. There was a 9, but it disappeared. I don't get the 9, 12, 15 that the font description says. Weird. -- Paula Ford The Bat! 1.38e (reg) Windows 95 4.0 Build 950 -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 22:03:43 -0500, Paula Ford wrote: Really? In TB, I get only two fonts sizes, 7 and 11. Seven is really small and eleven is a big bolded thing. There was a 9, but it disappeared. I don't get the 9, 12, 15 that the font description says. Weird. I see only a size 9 and a 14. shrug Size 9 is the size that I normally use so I'm happy. I however note that for some message replies TB! automatically changes from WCP font to Lucida console or Courier. I guess there may have been characters that WCP could not handle in those messages. ;-/ -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 «» Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6) --- ** "OS/2 is the operating system of the '90s" - Bill Gates ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
Hi phil, On Mon, 31 Jan 2000 16:13:39 -0800GMT (01/02/2000, 08:13 +0800GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: poc with the volume of messages that comes from tbudl poc you would think that three lines isnt a big deal I don't think it's about three lines; it's about something unreadable to some. We always try to write so that everybody on this list knows and understands everything that is posted - and nobody feels "left out". [delimiter] poc what was i thinkingi dont know why i am so poc dumb it wont happen again People on this list are strict about courtesy g; don't worry, so far nobody has been flamed, flooded with mail, terminated, threatened, or anything else on this list. Not even for not using the sig delimiter. poc like a poem or other types of prose many thoughts poc and ideas can be packed into a very small space poc which was my intent Explanation accepted in full. ;-) poc you win poc i loose This reply of yours shows the opposite. You are not a loser at all. p and why does a three line tagline bother you? WK Because we can not read it. WK Please use an encoding that is appropriate for WK an international mailing list. WK And please add a signature delimiter And this is where I have to defend Wolfgang: I would think this wording is considered appropriately polite in Germany. I am sure he didn't intend to convey any bad vibes. (Wolfgang, correct me if I'm wrong.) -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.39 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: and the appropriate encoding for tbudl international mailing list is
p there are many things here you can't read like p pictures of faces in ascii you havent said a word p about them Yeah, but it's easy to see what those are... p so what makes a GRAPH any different Well, if we knew what it was, it wouldn't have been an issue... I think the point that most were making was that it was not obviously anything... p how many lines of fluff are allowed I say "none" but others say "many." I'd personally rather not wade through people's clever ASCII art, if I wanted to I'd read alt.art.ascii or something. p yes okay p 40bytes * tbudl subscribed users = massive p wasted space in gigabytes p i see the logic It's not as terrible as you wish to make it appear... p it should be evident that i am correct unless p want me to quote some of that for you and let you p decide what is acceptable encoding and what is not Mailing lists have their own rules. To get this information all you need to do (typically) is read the rules before signing up for the mailing list. p i paid for the bat personal version p i dont have a right to be here the same as you? It's not about "rights." It's about "priviledges." Nobody has *any* rights on the Internet, there's always someone above you who just happens to be allowing you to do what you are doing. p with the volume of messages that comes from tbudl p you would think that three lines isnt a big deal Not a big deal, but it'd be nice to get the intended effect, no? p aM i supposed to know all that p when it looks perfectly okay here p in plain ascii high-ASCII typically doesn't fly too well on an international multi-platform mailing list. p like a poem or other types of prose many thoughts p and ideas can be packed into a very small space p which was my intent Aye, but wasn't the intent to get these ideas across to others, or were they only for your perusal? p ever draw ascii art like from [ICE] insane p creators before? Not in email I haven't. -tom! -- Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
