Re: euro sign

2002-06-13 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Wednesday, June 12, 2002, 11:26:17 PM, Paul Gleave wrote:

> ... whereas here in the UK I get something resembling a Space
> Invader.

Maybe Margaret Thatcher or someone has been tinkering with it.

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Re: euro sign

2002-06-12 Thread Gerard


ON Thursday, June 13, 2002, 6:26:17 AM, you wrote:

PG> ... whereas here in the UK I get something resembling a Space Invader.

Well that resembles the general consensus in the UK. :-)


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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-12 Thread Paul Gleave

... whereas here in the UK I get something resembling a Space Invader.

On Thursday, 13 June 2002, Dwight A Corrin wrote:

DAC> On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:35:06 AM, Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats] wrote:

>> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

DAC> I'm getting the Euro sign here in US of A.



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Re: euro sign

2002-06-12 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:35:06 AM, Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats] wrote:

> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

I'm getting the Euro sign here in US of A.

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RE: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Weaven, ChristopherX

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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Patrick Hagemann

Hello,

> In Latin-9 the Euro-sign is defined as 0xA4 (hexadecimal char code
> is 'A4'), while MS introduced the Euro-sign in Latin-1 (where it in
> fact AIN'T defined) with 0x80.

Microsoft didn't change Latin-1. Microsoft has defined its own
charsets, e.g. windows-1252 is used in german versions of Windows.
These charsets are standardized and based on Latin-1 (at least in many
cases), i.e. are supersets.

> In Latin-9 '0x80' is the 'sun' you describe (IIRC and 'international
> currency symbol') while in Latin-1 this 'sun' is '0xA4'.

> So there's a cross-reference between Latin-1 and Latin-9

Not quite correct: the 'sun' has been replaced by the Euro-sign.
AFAIK there's no character defined at position 0x80 in Latin-9, the
'sun' is simply missing as are some other characters, too (e.g. acute
accent which some used as a kind of apostrophe).

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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 6:30:57 PM, you wrote:

Peter>>> Enable 'local delivery' in 'Options' / 'Network &
Peter>>> Administration'

Thank you so much, that did it!
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ochrid,

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 6:04:03 PM you wrote in
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Peter>> Enable 'local delivery' in 'Options' / 'Network &
Peter>> Administration'

O> Sorry for being such a bore, but could you tell me where I can
O> find that option? I have a Dutch version of The Bat! and can
O> usually 'translate back' but I have been unable to find 'local
O> delivery'

If you open 'Options' / 'Network & Administration' on the _first_ tab sheet
there's a checkbox at the very lower end.

If in doubt temporarily change back the GUI language to 'English' and
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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:34:07 PM, you wrote:

Peter> Seems your e-mail service provider auto-converts your quoted-printable
Peter> message bodies to 8bit.

Peter> Enable 'local delivery' in 'Options' / 'Network &
Peter> Administration'

Sorry for being such a bore, but could you tell me where I can
find that option? I have a Dutch version of The Bat! and can
usually 'translate back' but I have been unable to find 'local
delivery'
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Mitja,

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 5:20:09 PM you wrote in
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MP> How did you get iso-8859-15? I do not have it in the list.
 
'Options' / 'XLAT Tables' / 'Reset' should enable 'Latin-9 (ISO-8859-15)'
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ochrid,

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 2:36:19 PM you wrote in
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O> What do I do wrong?

These two lines are 'wrong'

,-= [  ] =-
| Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
| X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by maildrop4.xs4all.nl id 
|g5BAc6J15890
`-=

Seems your e-mail service provider auto-converts your quoted-printable
message bodies to 8bit. Not really nice, though.

Enable 'local delivery' in 'Options' / 'Network & Administration' and send
yourself a test message, or even more simple: don't actually send the
message but 'Save' it and open the message source from 'Outbox' ...
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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Mitja Perko

Hello Jernej,

> Hello Mitja,
 
> 11. junij 2002, 14:14:16, you wrote:


> What do you see in this and in your message? (Yours was sent as
> iso-8859-1, while this is iso-8859-15)

Euro: ¤ (sun)
 Sun: € (b and T merged, after setting the encoding iso-8859-1 when
 replying euro again)

How did you get iso-8859-15? I do not have it in the list.
 
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Rupflin

Guten Tag Mitja Perko,

am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 um 14:14 schrieben Sie:

MP> Hello,

MP> I have checked my font and found the € euro symbol, so it is available
MP> on my computer. When I received the message however I got this ¤
MP> (sun). I am using the 1.60q. Should not this work correctly then?

MP> -- 
MP> Best regards,
MP>   Mitja Perko


>> Hi Mitja,


>> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

>> Seriously, Peter Palmreuther's message to Ochrid probably explains it.

>> Regards,

>> -Daan-





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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Michael Rupflin

Guten Tag Lynn Turriff,

am Dienstag, 11. Juni 2002 um 15:06 schrieben Sie:



LT> Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:14:16 AM, you wrote:

MP>> Hello,

MP>> I have checked my font and found the € euro symbol, so it is available
MP>> on my computer. When I received the message however I got this ¤
MP>> (sun). I am using the 1.60q. Should not this work correctly then?

MP>> -- 
MP>> Best regards,
MP>>   Mitja Perko


>>> Hi Mitja,


>>> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

>>> Seriously, Peter Palmreuther's message to Ochrid probably explains it.

>>> Regards,

>>> -Daan-

LT> Now, that one came through correctly ..

LT> Lynn

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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Jernej Simonèiè

Hello Mitja,
 
11. junij 2002, 14:14:16, you wrote:

MP> I have checked my font and found the ¤ euro symbol, so it is available
MP> on my computer. When I received the message however I got this €
MP> (sun). I am using the 1.60q. Should not this work correctly then?

What do you see in this and in your message? (Yours was sent as
iso-8859-1, while this is iso-8859-15)

Euro: ¤
 Sun: €

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Re[5]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Lynn Turriff



Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 5:14:16 AM, you wrote:

MP> Hello,

MP> I have checked my font and found the € euro symbol, so it is available
MP> on my computer. When I received the message however I got this ¤
MP> (sun). I am using the 1.60q. Should not this work correctly then?

MP> -- 
MP> Best regards,
MP>   Mitja Perko


>> Hi Mitja,


>> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

>> Seriously, Peter Palmreuther's message to Ochrid probably explains it.

>> Regards,

>> -Daan-

Now, that one came through correctly ..

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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Lynn Turriff



Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 2:56:32 AM, you wrote:


DvRC> Hoi Ochrid,

O>> may not always see the euro sign (¤) as it is meant.

DvRC> Well, it shows fine here.

DvRC> And you can always send me Euros :-)

DvRC> Regards,

DvRC> -Daan-

Got the circle with the little tentacles here .. probably
the font I'm using. Right now have Andale loaded, didn't
show with Lucida Console, either.


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Re[4]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Mitja Perko

Hello,

I have checked my font and found the € euro symbol, so it is available
on my computer. When I received the message however I got this ¤
(sun). I am using the 1.60q. Should not this work correctly then?

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> Hi Mitja,


> I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

> Seriously, Peter Palmreuther's message to Ochrid probably explains it.

> Regards,

> -Daan-




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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 2:26:53 PM, you wrote:

Peter> Than the message text is _not_ quoted-printable encoded.

this is what it says in source:
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by maildrop4.xs4all.nl id 
g5BAc6J15890



euroteken : AltGr: ¤

alt 0128: ¤




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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ochrid,

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 12:45:52 PM you wrote in
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O> When I view the source of a message to myself, it shows the 'sun
O> symbol' , not a code.

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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid

Hello Allie,

Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 12:41:55 PM, you wrote:

Allie> The recipient is using a font that doesn't support the euro sign or is
Allie> using the wrong character set. Usually, it's the first of the two.
Allie> They will need to change to using a font that supports the euro
Allie> character.

   This recipient uses Mozilla 4.73 and sees the euro sign
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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, June 11, 2002, 12:15:08 PM, you wrote:


Peter> You can:
Peter> 1.) _DISABLE_ 8bit character support in headers. It's not recommended to
Peter> use them in headers.
Peter> 2.) Enable 'Quoted-Printable' encoding of 8bit characters in your message
Peter> body. ('Account' / 'Properties' / 'Mail management' / '8-bit characters
Peter> are treated')
Peter> 3.) Send yourself a test message containing the Euro symbol and have a look
Peter> at the message source after receiving it. The position where you expect
Peter> the Euro symbol should now be '=A4'. If so _your_ system is set up to
Peter> send the correct encoding for Euro sign, IF the the 'Content-Type'
Peter> value 'charset' is 'ISO-8859-15'.

Thanks very much for all that: despite not being an expert I
could follow your reasoning and instructions. I did as you
suggested, but nothing changed.

When I view the source of a message to myself, it shows the 'sun
symbol' , not a code.
(Again: on my screen, just reading the message, everything seems
fine).
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Allie C Martin

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O> I have tried testing by sending myself e-mail but found that even
O> when the sign shows up properly in 'sent mail' , the receiver may
O> not always see the euro sign (¤) as it is meant. (It is *always*
O> shown correctly in my editor).

O> Two questions:
O> - Does this has to do with my settings only or with those on the
O> receiving end or both?

The recipient is using a font that doesn't support the euro sign or is
using the wrong character set. Usually, it's the first of the two.
They will need to change to using a font that supports the euro
character.

O> - How can I correct this and check it without being misled by my
O> editor.
O> (I am not a computer expert)

Once you can see the euro sign, this means everything is OK at
your end, i.e., you're using an appropriate character set and font.

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Re[3]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats]


Hi Mitja,

MP> I do not see it...

I think the Euro is only displayed in EC countries :-)

Seriously, Peter Palmreuther's message to Ochrid probably explains it.

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Re[2]: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Mitja Perko

Hello Daniel,

I do not see it...

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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Ochrid,

On Tuesday, June 11, 2002 at 11:50:17 AM you wrote in
[EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (at least in part):

O> the receiver may not always see the euro sign (¤) as it is meant. (It is
O> *always* shown correctly in my editor).

That's because, after hours, days and weeks of begging, The Bat! finally
uses the _correct_ Latin-9 character table. In Latin-9 the Euro-sign is
defined as 0xA4 (hexadecimal char code is 'A4'), while MS introduced the
Euro-sign in Latin-1 (where it in fact AIN'T defined) with 0x80.

In Latin-9 '0x80' is the 'sun' you describe (IIRC and 'international
currency symbol') while in Latin-1 this 'sun' is '0xA4'.

So there's a cross-reference between Latin-1 and Latin-9

|-|
|Latin-1 | Latin-9|
|-|
|  0x80  |  0xA4  |
|  0xA4  |  0X80  |
|-|

On your system The Bat! translates the Euro-sign correctly back to
Windows-character-table, while it seems at the other end this is _not_ done
correctly. It seems the hex value is taken literally without any
translation to the charset used for displaying.

O> Two questions:
O> - Does this has to do with my settings only or with those on the
O> receiving end or both?

At least: with the receivers settings.
You _could_ change your XLAT-table to use values the receiver uses too, but
I'd heavily discourage you to do so. One big advantage of The Bat! is it
reflects and uses STANDARDS (even if some only are set up properly after
enough complaints by Beta-testers *G*) and does not break them.

O> - How can I correct this and check it without being misled by my
O> editor.
O> (I am not a computer expert)

You can:
1.) _DISABLE_ 8bit character support in headers. It's not recommended to
use them in headers.
2.) Enable 'Quoted-Printable' encoding of 8bit characters in your message
body. ('Account' / 'Properties' / 'Mail management' / '8-bit characters
are treated')
3.) Send yourself a test message containing the Euro symbol and have a look
at the message source after receiving it. The position where you expect
the Euro symbol should now be '=A4'. If so _your_ system is set up to
send the correct encoding for Euro sign, IF the the 'Content-Type'
value 'charset' is 'ISO-8859-15'.

HTH Pit
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Re: euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats]


Hoi Ochrid,

O> may not always see the euro sign (¤) as it is meant.

Well, it shows fine here.

And you can always send me Euros :-)

Regards,

-Daan-



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euro sign

2002-06-11 Thread Ochrid


Hello all,
I have been using The Bat! now for some weeks and am
very happy with it. But: all that time I was mistaken in
thinking that the ¤ euro sign was shown correctly: In my editor
window it shows up as it should, but some correspondents report
that they get to see another symbol ( a small circle with four
little tentacles) instead.

I have set the character set to Latin 9 - 8859-15 and checked
'permit 8-bits character in heading'  .

I have tried testing by sending myself e-mail but found that
even when the sign shows up properly in 'sent mail' , the
receiver may not always see the euro sign (¤) as it is meant. (It
is *always* shown correctly in my editor).

Two questions:
- Does this has to do with my settings only or with those on the
receiving end or both?

- How can I correct this and check it without being misled by my
editor.
(I am not a computer expert)
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Ochrid  

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