Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2009-01-16 Thread McLauchlan, Kevin
I think can implies a cannot. Your can implies that the date range
must be set within those boundaries. I don't think that was necessarily
the case. If it was, then your suggestion does it. If the date range is
not constrained to just those settings, then might in the original
formulation gives the proper implication that you can set the range to
whatever you want, but here are some useful ones for you to consider.
Otherwise, without might-or-may, you need another sentence or some
convoluted phrasing to communicate the idea of suggested options. 

Wow. Two months.  This is like exchanging letters across the Atlantic
before airmail.   :-)

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 To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 
 Hello...
 
 Sorry I'm coming in late on this but I haven't had a chance 
 to read list
 since November.
 
 I would rewrite it as follows:
 
 The date range can be set to the current month, quarter or 
 sales quota
 period. 
 
 Hope it helps,
 
 Hilda Alvarez-Strang
 Senior Technical Writer
 Interval International
 Miami,Florida
 
 
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 Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.
 
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on
 start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
 suggestion:
 
 You may/might want to set the date range to your current 
 month, quarter,
 or sales quota period.
 
 What's your choice (or complete re-write)?
 
 Thanks!
 --- John B.
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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2009-01-15 Thread Hilda Alvarez-Strang

Hello...

Sorry I'm coming in late on this but I haven't had a chance to read list
since November.

I would rewrite it as follows:

The date range can be set to the current month, quarter or sales quota
period. 

Hope it helps,

Hilda Alvarez-Strang
Senior Technical Writer
Interval International
Miami,Florida


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Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on
start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, quarter,
or sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
--- John B.


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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread McLauchlan, Kevin
I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action
then some result might happen.  In the past, I actually have
threatened to do that in internal discussions with developers and their
managers when they were being too iffy about this or that issue... but
I've never gone through with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens
that the offenders saw the error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
:-)

However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others
not necessarily known - I choose might.  

Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
permission.

Now, may I please leave the room? 

Cheers,

 - Kevin

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
 To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 I agree with Sharon completely.
 
 Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
Click
 on
 the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.
 
 May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.
 
 My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
document
 and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.
 
 I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...
 
 Paula
 
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Sharon Burton
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
 To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 How about You can also...
 
 I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply
it
 could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we
 never
 actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did to
make
 it
 work.
 
 ;-)
 
 sharon
 
 Sharon Burton
 Product Manager
 MadCap Software
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cell: 951-202-0813
 Home Office: 951-369-8590
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell
 Sent: Fri 11/21/2008 8:05 AM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 
 
 I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.
 
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on
 start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
 suggestion:
 
 You may/might want to set the date range to your current month,
 quarter, or sales quota period.
 
 What's your choice (or complete re-write)?
 
 Thanks!
 --- John B.
 

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Sharon Burton
But couldn't you do that with You can? For example: 
 
Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory environment, 
you can also [function X]. For more information, see your regulatory official.
 
First thing I teach all writers is to start sentences with You can. It's not 
possible to write a passive voice sentence that starts with You can. Later, 
after that active voice muscle is nice and strong, we move to appropriate 
variants, like imperatives. 
 
Now that I laid that gauntlet down, I'm sure we'll all be trying it! 
 
sharon
 
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From: McLauchlan, Kevin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Mon 11/24/2008 6:49 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sharon Burton; John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: RE: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?



I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action
then some result might happen.  In the past, I actually have
threatened to do that in internal discussions with developers and their
managers when they were being too iffy about this or that issue... but
I've never gone through with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens
that the offenders saw the error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
:-)

However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others
not necessarily known - I choose might. 

Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
permission.

Now, may I please leave the room?

Cheers,

 - Kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
 To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

 I agree with Sharon completely.

 Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
Click
 on
 the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.

 May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.

 My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
document
 and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.

 I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...

 Paula






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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Charles Beck
Kevin actually makes the point I was about to. I was not talking about a
situation in which something 'might' happen. Even if I'm not sure that
things are going to work the way they're supposed to in reality, I
always say something happens. [And note that I also do not say will
happen-more or less personal preference, but I almost never use future
tense either, if I can possibly avoid it.]

I use the word might to tell the user that it is something optional,
usually. The user might or might NOT want to do whatever it is. IOW,
we're exploring options. This is often content that is included in a
Tip. 

I use the word can to tell the user that it is something they can do.
Again, usually something optional, though the emphasis in this kind of
case is to let the user know that it is *possible* to do something. 

And I will risk arousing ire by reiterating that I cannot think of a
single instance in which one of these two words, in telling a user that
something can be done, is not preferable to the word may. 

Good discussion here.
Chuck



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of McLauchlan, Kevin
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 09:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sharon Burton; John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action
then some result might happen.  In the past, I actually have
threatened to do that in internal discussions with developers and their
managers when they were being too iffy about this or that issue... but
I've never gone through with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens
that the offenders saw the error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
:-)

However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others
not necessarily known - I choose might.  

Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
permission.

Now, may I please leave the room? 

Cheers,

 - Kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
 To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 I agree with Sharon completely.
 
 Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
Click
 on
 the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.
 
 May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.
 
 My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
document
 and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.
 
 I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...
 
 Paula
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Sharon Burton
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
 To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 How about You can also...
 
 I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply
it
 could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we 
 never actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did

 to
make
 it
 work.
 
 ;-)
 
 sharon
 
 Sharon Burton
 Product Manager
 MadCap Software
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cell: 951-202-0813
 Home Office: 951-369-8590
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell
 Sent: Fri 11/21/2008 8:05 AM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 
 
 I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.
 
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on 
 start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
 suggestion:
 
 You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, 
 quarter, or sales quota period.
 
 What's your choice (or complete re-write)?
 
 Thanks!
 --- John B.
 

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
I'm willing to give on may and might, but I shall not change my position on
shall. No, I shall NOT!

Paula 

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Charles Beck
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 5:19 PM
To: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

Kevin actually makes the point I was about to. I was not talking about a
situation in which something 'might' happen. Even if I'm not sure that
things are going to work the way they're supposed to in reality, I always
say something happens. [And note that I also do not say will happen-more
or less personal preference, but I almost never use future tense either, if
I can possibly avoid it.]

I use the word might to tell the user that it is something optional,
usually. The user might or might NOT want to do whatever it is. IOW, we're
exploring options. This is often content that is included in a Tip. 

I use the word can to tell the user that it is something they can do.
Again, usually something optional, though the emphasis in this kind of case
is to let the user know that it is *possible* to do something. 

And I will risk arousing ire by reiterating that I cannot think of a single
instance in which one of these two words, in telling a user that something
can be done, is not preferable to the word may. 

Good discussion here.
Chuck



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of McLauchlan, Kevin
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 09:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sharon Burton; John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical document,
I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action then some
result might happen.  In the past, I actually have threatened to do that
in internal discussions with developers and their managers when they were
being too iffy about this or that issue... but I've never gone through
with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens that the offenders saw the
error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
:-)

However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others not
necessarily known - I choose might.  

Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
permission.

Now, may I please leave the room? 

Cheers,

 - Kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
 To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 I agree with Sharon completely.
 
 Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
Click
 on
 the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.
 
 May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.
 
 My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
document
 and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.
 
 I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...
 
 Paula
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Sharon Burton
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
 To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 How about You can also...
 
 I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply
it
 could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we 
 never actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did

 to
make
 it
 work.
 
 ;-)
 
 sharon
 
 Sharon Burton
 Product Manager
 MadCap Software
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cell: 951-202-0813
 Home Office: 951-369-8590
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell
 Sent: Fri 11/21/2008 8:05 AM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 
 
 I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.
 
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on 
 start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
 suggestion:
 
 You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, 
 quarter, or sales quota period.
 
 What's your choice (or complete re-write)?
 
 Thanks!
 --- John B.
 

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Andrew Wurzer
I'm apparently one of the few on board with may.

For the usage you are talking about, may is probably the more correct.
Might indicates a very weak probability that the user would want want to
do so (you might want to...), whereas may indicates a significantly
stronger probability that the user would want to do so (you may want
to...).  I would use can in cases where there is not implied probability,
but you are presenting neutral options.

Hope that helps,

Andrew Wurzer

On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:19 AM, Charles Beck [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:

 I use the word can to tell the user that it is something they can do.
 Again, usually something optional, though the emphasis in this kind of
 case is to let the user know that it is *possible* to do something.

 And I will risk arousing ire by reiterating that I cannot think of a
 single instance in which one of these two words, in telling a user that
 something can be done, is not preferable to the word may.

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Jones, Donna
My choice would be a rewrite. Your sample sentence makes me think, But
why would I want to do this? I would rewrite to something along these
lines:

   To limit the records displayed, set the date range
   to something meaningful to you, such as the current
   month, quarter, or sales quota period.

Or
   For the most meaningful results, set the date range
   to the current month, quarter, or sales quota period.

No may or might, can or shall. Just an imperative and why you'd want to
do it.

Just my $0.02, which as we know isn't worth much nowadays.  :-)

Donna



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I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on
start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, quarter,
or sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
--- John B.
 
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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Cardimon, Craig
 
 I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...
 
 OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.
 
 Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
 document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some
action
 then some result might happen.  

*s/he* -- ? Ugh. Just use *they* It looks much cleaner.
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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Jones, Donna
I was just replying that I didn't see a post from you on this, Sue. But
your other post came through before I could.  :-)
 
In the may/might discussion, I like the example from the MMoS that you
listed: If , you *may* need to . 
 
The word might seems too wishy-washy to me. I have flashbacks to an
old Bugs Bunny cartoon where some police officer tells him, You might,
rabbit. You might. (in answer to Would I turn on the stove if my
friend Rocky was in there?)
 
 



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Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 11:57 AM
To: Jones, Donna
Cc: TCP List
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?


Hey! My post three days ago said to rewrite the sentence!!! (But y'all
ignored me! pout)
 
If anyone cares, the MS style guide says the following (this is from the
2nd edition, which is online and easy to copy from).
 
...sue
 

can vs. may


Use the verb can to describe actions or tasks that the user or program
is able to do. Use may or might only to express possibility or when the
result of an action is unknown or variable, not to imply that the user
has permission to do something.

Correct
You can use the /b option to force a black-and-white screen display.
If you use the /b option, your code may not be portable.
If the table overlaps the text or the margin, you may need to resize the
table and wrap text around it.
If the table overlaps the text or the margin, you can resize the table
and wrap text around it.
Many new programs might run very slowly on less powerful computers.

Incorrect
You may use the /b option to force a black-and-white display.

In general, avoid could; it's seldom necessary. Might, however, connotes
a sense of a possible occurrence without the suggestion of permission
or recommendation, so it can be useful in some instances when may seems
to imply permission. 

 


 
On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 9:51 AM, Jones, Donna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


My choice would be a rewrite. Your sample sentence makes me
think, But
why would I want to do this? I would rewrite to something along
these
lines:

  To limit the records displayed, set the date range
  to something meaningful to you, such as the current

  month, quarter, or sales quota period.


Or
  For the most meaningful results, set the date range
  to the current month, quarter, or sales quota period.

No may or might, can or shall. Just an imperative and why you'd
want to
do it.

Just my $0.02, which as we know isn't worth much nowadays.  :-)

Donna




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I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or
May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based
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start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month,
quarter,
or sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Chris Vickery
I am trying to think of an instance where I've used might, and I think
I've avoided it precisely because it trips me up, making me question
whether it's the right choice of words. 

I tend to use this construction: If you wish to aggravate the
fintoozler, you can... instead of You might wish to aggravate the
fintoozler... The latter seems kind of flabby and weak to me.

Chris

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of Charles Beck
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:19 AM
To: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

Kevin actually makes the point I was about to. I was not talking about a
situation in which something 'might' happen. Even if I'm not sure that
things are going to work the way they're supposed to in reality, I
always say something happens. [And note that I also do not say will
happen-more or less personal preference, but I almost never use future
tense either, if I can possibly avoid it.]

I use the word might to tell the user that it is something optional,
usually. The user might or might NOT want to do whatever it is. IOW,
we're exploring options. This is often content that is included in a
Tip. 

I use the word can to tell the user that it is something they can do.
Again, usually something optional, though the emphasis in this kind of
case is to let the user know that it is *possible* to do something. 

And I will risk arousing ire by reiterating that I cannot think of a
single instance in which one of these two words, in telling a user that
something can be done, is not preferable to the word may. 

Good discussion here.
Chuck



-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Behalf Of McLauchlan, Kevin
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 09:50
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sharon Burton; John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action
then some result might happen.  In the past, I actually have
threatened to do that in internal discussions with developers and their
managers when they were being too iffy about this or that issue... but
I've never gone through with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens
that the offenders saw the error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
:-)

However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others
not necessarily known - I choose might.  

Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
permission.

Now, may I please leave the room? 

Cheers,

 - Kevin

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
 Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
 To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 I agree with Sharon completely.
 
 Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
Click
 on
 the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.
 
 May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.
 
 My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
document
 and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.
 
 I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...
 
 Paula
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On
 Behalf Of Sharon Burton
 Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
 To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 How about You can also...
 
 I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply
it
 could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we 
 never actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did

 to
make
 it
 work.
 
 ;-)
 
 sharon
 
 Sharon Burton
 Product Manager
 MadCap Software
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Cell: 951-202-0813
 Home Office: 951-369-8590
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 
 
 
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell
 Sent: Fri 11/21/2008 8:05 AM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
 
 
 I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.
 
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on 
 start and end dates. At the end I want

Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-24 Thread Sue Heim
And I tend to write even more directly. I'd say To aggravate the
fintoozler, do this, :)
...sue



On Mon, Nov 24, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Chris Vickery [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 wrote:

 I am trying to think of an instance where I've used might, and I think
 I've avoided it precisely because it trips me up, making me question
 whether it's the right choice of words.

 I tend to use this construction: If you wish to aggravate the
 fintoozler, you can... instead of You might wish to aggravate the
 fintoozler... The latter seems kind of flabby and weak to me.

 Chris

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of Charles Beck
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 7:19 AM
 To: TCP@techcommpros.com
  Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

 Kevin actually makes the point I was about to. I was not talking about a
 situation in which something 'might' happen. Even if I'm not sure that
 things are going to work the way they're supposed to in reality, I
 always say something happens. [And note that I also do not say will
 happen-more or less personal preference, but I almost never use future
 tense either, if I can possibly avoid it.]

 I use the word might to tell the user that it is something optional,
 usually. The user might or might NOT want to do whatever it is. IOW,
 we're exploring options. This is often content that is included in a
 Tip.

 I use the word can to tell the user that it is something they can do.
 Again, usually something optional, though the emphasis in this kind of
 case is to let the user know that it is *possible* to do something.

 And I will risk arousing ire by reiterating that I cannot think of a
 single instance in which one of these two words, in telling a user that
 something can be done, is not preferable to the word may.

 Good discussion here.
 Chuck



 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 On Behalf Of McLauchlan, Kevin
 Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 09:50
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Sharon Burton; John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
 Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

 I disagree with Sharon and Paula completely...

 OK, no I don't. I just wanted to say that.

 Unless I was being sarcastic, which is rarely good in a technical
 document, I would not tell the reader that if s/he performed some action
 then some result might happen.  In the past, I actually have
 threatened to do that in internal discussions with developers and their
 managers when they were being too iffy about this or that issue... but
 I've never gone through with it. (Yes, I'm a big chicken, but it happens
 that the offenders saw the error of their ways and didn't call me on it.
 :-)

 However, in situations where there are several optional choices that the
 reader can make, and various scenarios - perhaps some known and others
 not necessarily known - I choose might.

 Depending on your organization's security policies and regulatory
 environment, you might need | wish to invoke function X.  That's the
 situation about which John B was asking in his original post.

 I wouldn't use may, because the reader is being given non-binding
 suggestions or told of possibilities that they might like to explore...
 not being given permission.  Once they own our product, they don't need
 permission.

 Now, may I please leave the room?

 Cheers,

  - Kevin

  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On Behalf Of Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
  Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 1:32 PM
  To: 'Sharon Burton'; 'John Bell'; TCP@techcommpros.com
  Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
  I agree with Sharon completely.
 
  Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not.
 Click
  on
  the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.
 
  May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.
 
  My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a
 document
  and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.
 
  I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...
 
  Paula
 
  -Original Message-
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  On
  Behalf Of Sharon Burton
  Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
  To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
  Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?
 
  How about You can also...
 
  I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply
 it
  could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we
  never actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did

  to
 make
  it
  work.
 
  ;-)
 
  sharon
 
  Sharon Burton
  Product Manager
  MadCap Software
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Cell: 951-202-0813
  Home Office: 951-369-8590
  http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
  http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/
 
  
 
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] on behalf of John Bell
  Sent: Fri 11

Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-22 Thread Paula R. Stern (WritePoint)
I agree with Sharon completely.

Might makes me wonder if it is going to happen as expected or not. Click on
the window and it might open...gee, that doesn't work for me at all.

May is acceptable, though I prefer can whenever/wherever possible.

My absolute favorite came from an Israeli engineer who gave me a document
and asked me to edit it. He wrote the user shall.

I wrote him back and said - God shall...the rest of us can...

Paula

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Sharon Burton
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 6:15 PM
To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

How about You can also... 
 
I avoid may or might, as may can imply permission. Might can imply it
could happen but we really aren't sure. Call us if it does because we never
actually got it to work reliably. We'd love to know what you did to make it
work. 
 
;-) 
 
sharon
 
Sharon Burton
Product Manager
MadCap Software
[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Cell: 951-202-0813
Home Office: 951-369-8590
http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/ http://madcapsoftware.wordpress.com/ 



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Sent: Fri 11/21/2008 8:05 AM
To: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?



I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on 
start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following 
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, 
quarter, or sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
--- John B.



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[TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-21 Thread John Bell

I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on  
start and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following  
suggestion:


You may/might want to set the date range to your current month,  
quarter, or sales quota period.


What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-21 Thread Char James-Tanny
 I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on start
 and end dates. At the end I want to offer the following suggestion:

 You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, quarter, or
 sales quota period.

 What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

For the sentence as written, might. (May implies permission.)

For rewrite, replace may/might want to with can also.

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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-21 Thread Charles Beck
Hi John,

I almost *never* use the word may in technical writing. This is for two basic 
reasons: 
1) May can imply the granting of permission, and that is almost never 
what I intend to convey. 
2) I have found very, very few situations in which the word might or 
can conveys the correct idea just as effectively (if not more so) without the 
ambiguity. 

My 37¢ worth (accounting for inflation),
Chuck Beck
 

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To: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on start and 
end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, quarter, or 
sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
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Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

2008-11-21 Thread Charles Beck
Ummm, correct that second point to read: I have found very, very few 
situations in which the word 'might' or 'can' does NOT convey the correct idea 
just as effectively... 

But then, I am sure you all meant what I knew.

My mom was right: Always, Always, ALWAYS proofread anything before you send it 
off!

*sigh* It's Friday.

Chuck


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Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 13:03
To: John Bell; TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: Re: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

Hi John,

I almost *never* use the word may in technical writing. This is for two basic 
reasons: 
1) May can imply the granting of permission, and that is almost never 
what I intend to convey. 
2) I have found very, very few situations in which the word might or 
can conveys the correct idea just as effectively (if not more so) without the 
ambiguity. 

My 37¢ worth (accounting for inflation), Chuck Beck
 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Bell
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2008 11:05
To: TCP@techcommpros.com
Subject: [TCP] Word choice: Might or May?

I'm trying to determine which is the best word to use: Might or May.

I am writing about determining which records get displayed based on start and 
end dates. At the end I want to offer the following
suggestion:

You may/might want to set the date range to your current month, quarter, or 
sales quota period.

What's your choice (or complete re-write)?

Thanks!
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