Re: [Tex-music] LaTeX vs MusiXTeX (Was: No room for new \dimen)

[Luigi Cataldi]

On Fri, 23 Sep 2011 14:43:35 +0100
Robin Fairbairns  wrote:

> incidentally, has anyone done any work on using music-xml with musixtex?
> -- my wife is a teacher, and produces all her compositions/arrangements
> with sibelius[*], which is finally now capable of xml output.

The only way I know to translate music-xml is to use Noteedit and PMX. Noteedit 
can import music-xml and export PMX code.

Regards

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Re: [Tex-music] LaTeX vs MusiXTeX (Was: No room for new \dimen)

[Robin Fairbairns]

Filipe de Moraes Paiva  wrote:

> I think I've started reading this subject not from the beginning. But just
> for the record, I always used Latex for scientific documents (for more
> than 20 years) and recently (about 5 years ago) I started using latex
> together with musixtex and everything works fine for me. I never used PMX
> and I type musixtex commands directly into my latex file with no problem.
> Basically I write lectures about musical instruments with lots of text and
> some musical pieces of one or two lines and also whole pieces of one or
> two pages.

which tallies with my findings.

i, likewise, only use musixtex to create odd snippets in other
documents.  last i did it, there was a conflict with font selection (i
don't know if it's still there) but it was trivial to resolve.

incidentally, has anyone done any work on using music-xml with musixtex?
-- my wife is a teacher, and produces all her compositions/arrangements
with sibelius[*], which is finally now capable of xml output.

it would (imo) be handy to be able to print her output in my tex-based
environment.  is anyone looking at a conversion?

robin
(mostly quiet on this list since i seldom have any issues)

[*] i know, i know -- but it's a lost cause: she had been using sib for
*ages* before we met again in 1999.
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Re: [Tex-music] LaTeX vs MusiXTeX (Was: No room for new \dimen)

[Filipe de Moraes Paiva]

Saluton.
I think I've started reading this subject not from the beginning. But just
for the record, I always used Latex for scientific documents (for more than
20 years) and recently (about 5 years ago) I started using latex together
with musixtex and everything works fine for me. I never used PMX and I type
musixtex commands directly into my latex file with no problem. Basically I
write lectures about musical instruments with lots of text and some musical
pieces of one or two lines and also whole pieces of one or two pages.
Regards,
Filipe

2011/9/23 Dirk Laurie 

> On Fri, Sep 23, 2011 at 05:48:26AM +0200, Don Simons wrote:
> > 4. LaTeX has nothing to do with any of this. LaTeX is a special set of
> macros
> > designed to supposedly make TeX easier to use to produce nice text
> documents.
> > There is absolutely no requirement to use LaTeX together with MusiXTeX;
> in
> > fact, it just complicates matters to the extent that you should NEVER use
> > them together unless you have a REALLY good reason AND are a pretty
> advanced
> > user already.
> >
>
> I agree, but let me dot some i's and stroke some t's.
>
>  - TeX is a typesetting program with particularly strong support for
>   mathematical typesetting, where exact two-dimensional positioning
>   is important.  TeX is idiosyncratic but powerful, abstruse but
>   conceptually simple, huge but very well supported over almost 30 years.
>   There is nothing that TeX cannot do, but it is not user-friendly.
>  - TeX is also a customizable typesetting language that allows the user
>   to define his own special-purpose instructions for other pernickety
>   typesetting tasks, like music.  Don Knuth (the author of TeX) writes
>   a special set of macros for every typesetting task he undertakes and
>   honestly expects other TeX users to be similary diligent.  (Instead,
>   they prefer to abuse existing macro libraries.)
>  - MusiXTeX is a music typesetting program written in TeX.  The need
>   for exact two-dimensional positioning is even more crucial than in
>   mathematics, extending to whole pages and even whole scores in which
>   a change made in one bar can affect decisions on the appearance of
>   every page.  It's not user-friendly any more than TeX itself is,
>   which is why it's much nicer to use it indirectly via PMX.
>  - LaTeX is a markup language written in TeX, i.e. a language that
>   urges you to think abstractly about your document: not "indented"
>   but "quoted", not "italics" but "emphasized", not "large boldface
>   with open space above and below" but "section heading", etc.
>   It's user-friendly (well, compared to TeX it is) and equally well
>   supported, so it has become a de facto standard among scientists.
>
> So you see, there are two conflicting tasks: typesetting, in which you
> care about minute details of appearance; and markup, in which you say
> broadly want you require and the program takes care of the rest.
>
> If you mix MusiXTeX and LaTeX, the two pull against each other, and you
> spend a lot of time compensating for the things LaTeX has done to your
> document.  The only case where it is useful to mix them, is when a
> scientist who knows LaTeX well tries to write a document like the M-Tx
> manual, which is in the first place a structured text document, but has
> numerous small music inserts.
>
> But it is even more idiomatic to do it as in the MusiXTeX manual, where
> the author did what Knuth wanted and wrote his own special-purpose set
> of macros for the purpose.
>
> Dirk
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