Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
Sorry Don, icannot test, i am on vacation tool money. But or look nice, all my
prolems can be solved that way.Thanks, Andre
Verzonden vanaf mijn Samsung Galaxy-smartphone.
Oorspronkelijk bericht Van: Don Simons
Datum: 9/10/18 06:41 (GMT+01:00) Aan: 'Werner Icking
Music Archive' Onderwerp: Re: [Tex-music] more staff
crossing beams
Using Andre’s PMX file (see below), the latest full public distro of PMX,
Version 2.84, gives this: I’ve been working on this on and off for a month now,
and I’m ready to throw in the towel. I’ve managed to modify the PMX code to
solve the first problem (bar 2), but not the second (bar 3). More broadly, the
legacy coding is already so complex that I just cannot find a clear path
forward to deal with all the possible variations: upness or downness of the
first or second member of the jump beam, increase or decrease in the
multiplicity, and whether the change in multiplicity comes before, at, or after
the staff jump. Here is what my development version gives: With the new PMX
version, the following inline coding fixes the problem in the 3rd
bar:2 2 2 8 2 8 0 01 1 20 0 bt./[l+14 a13 ]j rbd8 /rb1
\let\tbbut\tbbu\def\tbbu#1{\tbbl#1\let\tbbu\tbbut}\ [ju e14 g8 ]
/===yielding this:It was necessary to change the first part to a
lower beam to make the horizontal bar that we want to terminate early come out
above the other one. That could be done in PMX. But then the termination
command for that 2nd bar had to be changed from \tbbu to \tbbl to make it end
at the right horizontal position, and that required inline TeX. I believe that
any related situation can be handled similarly, with some combination of
alterations of upness and downness within PMX, together with inline TeX as
needed. I’m not saying it’s easy…a fair amount of trial and error may be
needed. Unless I come across backward incompatibilities or stumble across a
major breakthrough, I’ll be posting the new PMX version soon. --Don From:
TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf
Of Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Hi all, I know, we already
discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved?In each bar in the
example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be an 8th. It happen
only in the 1st bar. Andre===2 2 3 8 3 8 0 01 1 20 0 bt.\Abpew5i[l+14
g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 /rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] |
rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb //r4d r4d r4d /===---
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Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
Using Andre’s PMX file (see below), the latest full public distro of PMX,
Version 2.84, gives this:
I’ve been working on this on and off for a month now, and I’m ready to throw in
the towel. I’ve managed to modify the PMX code to solve the first problem (bar
2), but not the second (bar 3). More broadly, the legacy coding is already so
complex that I just cannot find a clear path forward to deal with all the
possible variations: upness or downness of the first or second member of the
jump beam, increase or decrease in the multiplicity, and whether the change in
multiplicity comes before, at, or after the staff jump. Here is what my
development version gives:
With the new PMX version, the following inline coding fixes the problem in the
3rd bar:
2 2 2 8 2 8 0 0
1 1 20 0
bt
./
[l+14 a13 ]j rbd8 /
rb1 \let\tbbut\tbbu\def\tbbu#1{\tbbl#1\let\tbbu\tbbut}\ [ju e14 g8 ] /
===
yielding this:
It was necessary to change the first part to a lower beam to make the
horizontal bar that we want to terminate early come out above the other one.
That could be done in PMX. But then the termination command for that 2nd bar
had to be changed from \tbbu to \tbbl to make it end at the right horizontal
position, and that required inline TeX.
I believe that any related situation can be handled similarly, with some
combination of alterations of upness and downness within PMX, together with
inline TeX as needed. I’m not saying it’s easy…a fair amount of trial and error
may be needed.
Unless I come across backward incompatibilities or stumble across a major
breakthrough, I’ll be posting the new PMX version soon.
--Don
From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On
Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem
Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM
To: Werner Icking Music Archive
Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
Hi all,
I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved?
In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be
an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar.
Andre
===
2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0
1 1 20 0
bt
.\
Abpe
w5i
[l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 /
rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb //
r4d r4d r4d /
===
---
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Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
Jean-Pierre, I'm sorry but I don't understand the question. The staff-jumping problem is not from the Soler quintet. Andre posted his original question to the MusiXTeX list on 6 September with this subject line (see below), and I responded the same day with a TeX fix. > -Original Message- > From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music- > bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf Of Jean-Pierre > Coulon > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2018 11:17 PM > To: Werner Icking Music Archive > Subject: Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams > > At which page and measure of the Anglès edition do you have this? > > On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Don Simons wrote: > > > I’ve more or less finished the Soler quintet transcription so now I’m > > looking into this. But so far I’m hung up, because PMX needs to insert > > the > > \tbbl1 before the 1/16 note just before the staff jump, so it would > > somehow have to look into the future to know that the multiplicity of > > the beam was going to decrease right at the jump. It’s probably possible, > but tricky. > > After all, PMX has no trouble decreasing multiplicity when needed > > within a non-staff jumping beam. So it must look ahead there, although > > it is in the same voice. I’ll have to review that logic. > > > > > > > > --Don > > > > > > > > From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:36 PM > > To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' > > Subject: RE: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams > > > > > > > > Andre, thanks very much for the report. I’ve compiled this with PMX 2.87 > and see that only minor corrections are needed to make it come out OK (see > attachment). I’ll definitely put this on my PMX to-do list but I won’t be able > to get serious about it until next week…I’m working on transcribing a Soler > quintet for strings+harpsichord into a 2-harpsichord version, and I have > another harpsichordist coming over on Saturday to play thru the first draft. > > > > > > > > --Don > > > > > > > > From: TeX-Music > > [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf > Of > > Andre Van Ryckeghem > > Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM > > To: Werner Icking Music Archive > <mailto:tex-music@tug.org> > > > Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams > > > > > > > > Hi all, > > > > > > > > I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved? > > > > In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should > be an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar. > > > > > > > > Andre > > > > === > > > > 2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0 > > > > 1 1 20 0 > > > > > > > > > > > > bt > > > > .\ > > > > Abpe > > > > w5i > > > > [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 / > > > > rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb // > > > > r4d r4d r4d / > > > > === > > > > > > -- > Jean-Pierre > > --- > TeX-music@tug.org mailing list > If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to > http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
At which page and measure of the Anglès edition do you have this? On Tue, 18 Sep 2018, Don Simons wrote: I’ve more or less finished the Soler quintet transcription so now I’m looking into this. But so far I’m hung up, because PMX needs to insert the \tbbl1 before the 1/16 note just before the staff jump, so it would somehow have to look into the future to know that the multiplicity of the beam was going to decrease right at the jump. It’s probably possible, but tricky. After all, PMX has no trouble decreasing multiplicity when needed within a non-staff jumping beam. So it must look ahead there, although it is in the same voice. I’ll have to review that logic. --Don From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:36 PM To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' Subject: RE: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Andre, thanks very much for the report. I’ve compiled this with PMX 2.87 and see that only minor corrections are needed to make it come out OK (see attachment). I’ll definitely put this on my PMX to-do list but I won’t be able to get serious about it until next week…I’m working on transcribing a Soler quintet for strings+harpsichord into a 2-harpsichord version, and I have another harpsichordist coming over on Saturday to play thru the first draft. --Don From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive mailto:tex-music@tug.org> > Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Hi all, I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved? In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar. Andre === 2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0 1 1 20 0 bt .\ Abpe w5i [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 / rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb // r4d r4d r4d / === -- Jean-Pierre --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
I’ve more or less finished the Soler quintet transcription so now I’m looking into this. But so far I’m hung up, because PMX needs to insert the \tbbl1 before the 1/16 note just before the staff jump, so it would somehow have to look into the future to know that the multiplicity of the beam was going to decrease right at the jump. It’s probably possible, but tricky. After all, PMX has no trouble decreasing multiplicity when needed within a non-staff jumping beam. So it must look ahead there, although it is in the same voice. I’ll have to review that logic. --Don From: Don Simons [mailto:dsim...@roadrunner.com] Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:36 PM To: 'Werner Icking Music Archive' Subject: RE: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Andre, thanks very much for the report. I’ve compiled this with PMX 2.87 and see that only minor corrections are needed to make it come out OK (see attachment). I’ll definitely put this on my PMX to-do list but I won’t be able to get serious about it until next week…I’m working on transcribing a Soler quintet for strings+harpsichord into a 2-harpsichord version, and I have another harpsichordist coming over on Saturday to play thru the first draft. --Don From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive mailto:tex-music@tug.org> > Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Hi all, I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved? In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar. Andre === 2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0 1 1 20 0 bt .\ Abpe w5i [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 / rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb // r4d r4d r4d / === --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
> Andre, thanks very much for the report. I’ve compiled this with PMX 2.87 and > see that only minor corrections are needed to make it come out OK (see > attachment). I’ll definitely put this on my PMX to-do list but I won’t be > able to get serious about it until next week…I’m working on transcribing a > Soler quintet for strings+harpsichord into a 2-harpsichord version, and I > have another harpsichordist coming over on Saturday to play thru the first > draft. Harpsichordists must feel about Soler the way recorder players feel about Telemann :-) --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
Re: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams
Andre, thanks very much for the report. I’ve compiled this with PMX 2.87 and see that only minor corrections are needed to make it come out OK (see attachment). I’ll definitely put this on my PMX to-do list but I won’t be able to get serious about it until next week…I’m working on transcribing a Soler quintet for strings+harpsichord into a 2-harpsichord version, and I have another harpsichordist coming over on Saturday to play thru the first draft. --Don From: TeX-Music [mailto:tex-music-bounces+dsimons=roadrunner@tug.org] On Behalf Of Andre Van Ryckeghem Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2018 5:28 AM To: Werner Icking Music Archive Subject: [Tex-music] more staff crossing beams Hi all, I know, we already discussed this, but perhaps this problem can be solved? In each bar in the example, the last note of the staaf crossing beam should be an 8th. It happen only in the 1st bar. Andre === 2 2 3 8 3 8 0 0 1 1 20 0 bt .\ Abpe w5i [l+14 g1- cs ]j rb4 | [ d1 d+ ]j rb4 | [u a1 za- ]j rb rb4 / rb8 [ju g1+ g zb g8 ] | rb8 [ju d8 zf ] rb | rb1 [ju e c8 ze ] rb // r4d r4d r4d / === avr5.tex Description: Binary data --- TeX-music@tug.org mailing list If you want to unsubscribe or look at the archives, go to http://tug.org/mailman/listinfo/tex-music
