[Texascavers] Robotic submarine (DEPTHX) reaches new depths
Here's an article about the DEPTHX project that's in English - for those of us that can't read Spanish or Mexican: http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn11890-robotic-submarine-reaches-new-depths.html - Got a little couch potato? Check out fun summer activities for kids.
[Texascavers] Lampazos
Has anybody heard or been to a cave in Lampazos, Nuevo Leon with indian remains or the indian paintings on Mesa de Catujanes (cartujanos) in the same area? if so, has this cave been mapped? can anyone help with this? Ediger maybe? Thanks in advance Nico
Re: [Texascavers] E85
There are no subsidies for corn farmers. Bill Mixon wrote: I've seen E85 at some pumps around Austin, but I don't recall just where (maybe at an HEB?). It was cheaper than regular, but of course that's because of a huge subsidy, we taxpayers' gift to the corn farmers. Of course, it needs to be cheaper, because it has less energy per gallon. Plug-in electric cars are all fine if you're worried about energy independence and don't mind getting your transportation energy from coal instead of crude oil. We have _lots_ of coal. But coal is much worse in terms of global warming. Pick your devil --Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
That's odd as I am also from IA and in the NW part they are growing extra corn for the ethnol production. My sister is the Lyon county director of the farmers government offices there. Mary TZ - Original Message From: Kara Savvas To: Jack Wood ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:53:45 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! Iowa is known for their corn, but all of my friends back home in North-Central Iowa grow soybeans for ethanol, and a little bit of corn for feed. LOTS of soybeans. They grow exclusively for fuel, it pays them pretty well, but they are also involved in the E85 'movement'. They also do tractor repair. These are very busy people in the spring and fall. My friends get bored in the winter, so they take up e85 politics to pass the dreary slow months, I swear. - Original Message From: Jack Wood To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! --- David Locklear wrote: > But there is no E-85. [ I still haven't seen an E-85 pump yet, and > I have been keeping my eyes open for one. ] Nor did I see an(y) free > internet > station(s). David, you're too far south. I just returned from Utah and Colorado. Both Nebraska and Iowa have signs on the highway that indicate if the exit (this case I-80) has E-85 stations and then there were signs on the streets pointing the direction if it wasn't next to the interstate. I even saw one of the new ethanol plants out in the sticks of Iowa while driving down to Appanoose Co, from Montezuma. Makes sense in the two biggest corn(y) states. Texas isn't known for their corn belt, as I hear it. Iowa's rest-stops all seem to have free wi-fi and advertise the fact on their signage along the interstate. Seems most of the Texas rest-stop budget went to that one on I-40 my dad tells me about out near Amarillo. Calls it the Tom Delay memorial rest-area. Has bathroom attendants that hand you a towel. As for gasoline prices I'd previously find little difference between Chicago and Utah & west Colorado prices when I first started going out that direction 10 years ago. Chicago is running $3.50-ish and we were finding gas the whole way there and back around $3.15. Think the least we paid was $2.99 per gal, the most in Hanksville, UT was $3.45 a gal. We did note a 10-cent jump at the station we used coming and going in Kearney, NE though. BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? See all of you in Indiana in 63 days or in 2 months and 2 days. -JackW! Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
We used lots of ethanol fuel on a road trip to Iowa last summer, and while it was cheaper, the car got fewer miles per gallon, I'd say up to 8. We weren't sure in the end it was 'cheaper'. Kara - Original Message From: Ron Rutherford To: Bill Bentley Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 1:05:26 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! There is an E85 pump at the HEB in Buda (just south of Austin). The price is ALWAYS 30 cents less than regular Unleaded. On 5/22/07, Bill Bentley wrote: > Although it will be a long time before we ever see E-85 in this "Oil " part > of Western Texas, Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of the price per > gallon on average in places where it is available? > > Does it fluctuate like gas prices? > > Only reason I ask is that I didn't realize this new truck I bought is > Ethanol capable to when I bought it and the salesman never once mentioned > it. It wasn't until I went to fill it up did I discover that it was. > Thanks, > Bill > > - Original Message - > From: "Kara Savvas" > To: "Jack Wood" ; > Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:53 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT > warning!!! > > > > Iowa is known for their corn, but all of my friends back home in > North-Central Iowa grow soybeans for ethanol, and a little bit of corn for > feed. LOTS of soybeans. They grow exclusively for fuel, it pays them pretty > well, but they are also involved in the E85 'movement'. They also do tractor > repair. These are very busy people in the spring and fall. My friends get > bored in the winter, so they take up e85 politics to pass the dreary slow > months, I swear. > > > > - Original Message > > From: Jack Wood > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47:21 PM > > Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT > warning!!! > > > > > > --- David Locklear wrote: > > > > > > > But there is no E-85. [ I still haven't seen an E-85 pump yet, and > > > I have been keeping my eyes open for one. ] Nor did I see an(y) > > free > > > internet > > > station(s). > > > > > > David, you're too far south. I just returned from Utah and Colorado. > > Both Nebraska and Iowa have signs on the highway that indicate if the > > exit (this case I-80) has E-85 stations and then there were signs on > > the streets pointing the direction if it wasn't next to the interstate. > > I even saw one of the new ethanol plants out in the sticks of Iowa > > while driving down to Appanoose Co, from Montezuma. Makes sense in the > > two biggest corn(y) states. Texas isn't known for their corn belt, as I > > hear it. > > > > Iowa's rest-stops all seem to have free wi-fi and advertise the fact on > > their signage along the interstate. Seems most of the Texas rest-stop > > budget went to that one on I-40 my dad tells me about out near > > Amarillo. Calls it the Tom Delay memorial rest-area. Has bathroom > > attendants that hand you a towel. > > > > As for gasoline prices I'd previously find little difference between > > Chicago and Utah & west Colorado prices when I first started going out > > that direction 10 years ago. Chicago is running $3.50-ish and we were > > finding gas the whole way there and back around $3.15. Think the least > > we paid was $2.99 per gal, the most in Hanksville, UT was $3.45 a gal. > > We did note a 10-cent jump at the station we used coming and going in > > Kearney, NE though. > > > > BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? > > > > See all of you in Indiana in 63 days or in 2 months and 2 days. > > > > -JackW! > > > > > > > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: > mail, news, photos & more. > > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel > today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > -- Ron Rutherf
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[Texascavers] Bored? 2007 TSA Spring Convention Pictures now online
Are you bored? Need something different to do? Tired of debating about things you can't change, like gas prices? Take 4 minutes and 20 seconds and visit: HYPERLINK "http://www.cavetexas.org/photos/tsa200704/index.html"http://www.cavetexas.o rg/photos/tsa200704/index.html for pictures from the 2007 TSA Spring Convention in Albert Texas. It's in a slide show format so all you have to do is sit back and read. Thanks to Bill Bentley, Jim Kennedy and Pete Lindsley for providing photos from the convention. Butch Fralia No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM
[Texascavers] Van a la Antartida luego del Zacaton
Heres another article from EL NORTE that talks about DEPTHX going to Antarctica next year. Enjoy Nico Van a la Antártida luego del Zacatón *El aparato atravesará por un agujero de casi 5 metros de hielo para explorar aguas profundas* *Grupo Reforma* *Ciudad de México (22 mayo 2007).-* La NASA aprobó la próxima misión del robot subacuático autónomo DEPTHX, que en unos meses se convertirá en el Explorador Robótico de Hielo No Perturbador del Ambiente (ENDURANCE por sus siglas en inglés), para estudiar el lago Bonney, en la Antártida, en noviembre y diciembre de 2008. Esta será la segunda etapa de las pruebas que los investigadores realizan al robot autónomo subacuático creado por la empresa Stone Aerospace y financiado por la NASA en busca de un aparato que permita detectar vida de manera autónoma en los mares de Europa, una de las lunas de Júpiter. El mayor reto de la misión en la Antártida, asegura el principal investigador de la exploración, el doctor Peter Doran, será realizar un agujero de 2.5 metros de diámetro para atravesar casi 5 metros de espesor y entonces acceder a las aguas profundas de Bonney. Desde hace una semana y hasta el 29 de mayo el robot explora el cenote El Zacatón en Tamaulipas, logrando un mapeo tridimensional completo y la recolección de muestras biológicas que se estudiarán en laboratorio. La misión concluirá el 29 de mayo. Doran, que visitó el lugar, trabaja desde hace 14 años en la Antártida y forma parte de un programa de la Fundación Nacional de Ciencia (NSF por sus siglas en inglés), en la base estadounidense de investigación McMurdo, en dicho continente. Aunque el diseño final del nuevo robot aún no está concluido, Doran explicó que se le realizarán cambios, sobre todo en el paquete científico de recolección y medición, ya que durante la exploración permanecerá cerca de la superficie y desplazará un mini-navegador para hacer el mapeo e identificar las posibles muestras geoquímicas de interés científico. "Se buscará reducir el tamaño y reemplazar el equipo de exploración científica por uno nuevo, adecuado al clima y condiciones fisicoquímicas del lago", aseguró el investigador de la Universidad de Ilinois, en Chicago. Igual que DEPTHX, este robot contará con sonares y un sistema computarizado de navegación y mapeo en tres dimensiones, además de un sistema de flotabilidad positiva para evitar errores en la ejecución de las tareas. *Buscan respetar medio ambiente* A diferencia de las técnicas para tomar muestras de paleoclima (clima del pasado), que se vale de grandes máquinas, aquí se utilizará la fuerza de helicópteros y calor para derretir el círculo que marcará el hoyo. La razón, expuso Doran, es que buscan un proceso mucho más limpio, más amigable con el medio ambiente. Los especialistas están especialmente interesados en estudiar la composición química del lago en su estado natural, por lo que el desplazamiento del paquete científico impedirá que los sedimentos y químicos del agua se mezclen. "Sabemos que hay organismos allí que utilizan energía química, en vez de energía del sol, y realizan síntesis química. Estamos muy interesados en recolectar las muestras y estudiarlas", dijo Doran. Antes de realizar la exploración en la Antártida, los científicos harán pruebas de flotabilidad, navegación y robótica en el lago de Wisconsin, en Estados Unidos. Una vez que se pruebe la habilidad de ENDURANCE para navegar estas aguas, se enfrentará el próximo reto, en el 2014, de atravesar los 4 kilómetros de espesor del lago Vostok, cuyas condiciones son las más similares a lo que se encontraría en Europa, una de la lunes de Júpiter que presumiblemente se estudiaría en el 2020. *Esperan regresar al agua * Desde el jueves pasado, las tareas del Exporador Térmico Freático Profundo (DEPTHX por sus siglas en inglés) están detenidas por desperfectos técnicos en el sistema de navegación, en las baterías y el sistema que mide la radiación a distintas profundidades. Bill Stone, líder del proyecto, afirmó hoy que esperan que el robot regrese hoy al cenote El Zacatón, donde ha trabajado estos días; sin embargo, los científicos esperan piezas del aparato que aún no llegan de Estados Unidos. Otros miembros del equipo aseguraron que en cuanto llegue la instrumentación requerida, "se trabajará dobles turnos para reponer el tiempo perdido". DEPTHX busca reanudar las tareas en el Rancho La Azufrosa cuanto antes, ya que actualmente trabajan sin presupuesto. "Tenemos científicos del más alto nivel aquí que deben regresar a sus actividades, por lo que cada día perdido es angustiante", declaró Bill Stone.
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
There is an E85 pump at the HEB in Buda (just south of Austin). The price is ALWAYS 30 cents less than regular Unleaded. On 5/22/07, Bill Bentley wrote: Although it will be a long time before we ever see E-85 in this "Oil " part of Western Texas, Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of the price per gallon on average in places where it is available? Does it fluctuate like gas prices? Only reason I ask is that I didn't realize this new truck I bought is Ethanol capable to when I bought it and the salesman never once mentioned it. It wasn't until I went to fill it up did I discover that it was. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "Kara Savvas" To: "Jack Wood" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! > Iowa is known for their corn, but all of my friends back home in North-Central Iowa grow soybeans for ethanol, and a little bit of corn for feed. LOTS of soybeans. They grow exclusively for fuel, it pays them pretty well, but they are also involved in the E85 'movement'. They also do tractor repair. These are very busy people in the spring and fall. My friends get bored in the winter, so they take up e85 politics to pass the dreary slow months, I swear. > > - Original Message > From: Jack Wood > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47:21 PM > Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! > > > --- David Locklear wrote: > > > > But there is no E-85. [ I still haven't seen an E-85 pump yet, and > > I have been keeping my eyes open for one. ] Nor did I see an(y) > free > > internet > > station(s). > > > David, you're too far south. I just returned from Utah and Colorado. > Both Nebraska and Iowa have signs on the highway that indicate if the > exit (this case I-80) has E-85 stations and then there were signs on > the streets pointing the direction if it wasn't next to the interstate. > I even saw one of the new ethanol plants out in the sticks of Iowa > while driving down to Appanoose Co, from Montezuma. Makes sense in the > two biggest corn(y) states. Texas isn't known for their corn belt, as I > hear it. > > Iowa's rest-stops all seem to have free wi-fi and advertise the fact on > their signage along the interstate. Seems most of the Texas rest-stop > budget went to that one on I-40 my dad tells me about out near > Amarillo. Calls it the Tom Delay memorial rest-area. Has bathroom > attendants that hand you a towel. > > As for gasoline prices I'd previously find little difference between > Chicago and Utah & west Colorado prices when I first started going out > that direction 10 years ago. Chicago is running $3.50-ish and we were > finding gas the whole way there and back around $3.15. Think the least > we paid was $2.99 per gal, the most in Hanksville, UT was $3.45 a gal. > We did note a 10-cent jump at the station we used coming and going in > Kearney, NE though. > > BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? > > See all of you in Indiana in 63 days or in 2 months and 2 days. > > -JackW! > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Ron Rutherford - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] E85
I've seen E85 at some pumps around Austin, but I don't recall just where (maybe at an HEB?). It was cheaper than regular, but of course that's because of a huge subsidy, we taxpayers' gift to the corn farmers. Of course, it needs to be cheaper, because it has less energy per gallon. Plug-in electric cars are all fine if you're worried about energy independence and don't mind getting your transportation energy from coal instead of crude oil. We have _lots_ of coal. But coal is much worse in terms of global warming. Pick your devil --Mixon --- You may "Reply" to the address from which this message was sent, but note the following permanent addresses for long-term use: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org, sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
Although it will be a long time before we ever see E-85 in this "Oil " part of Western Texas, Does anyone have any first hand knowledge of the price per gallon on average in places where it is available? Does it fluctuate like gas prices? Only reason I ask is that I didn't realize this new truck I bought is Ethanol capable to when I bought it and the salesman never once mentioned it. It wasn't until I went to fill it up did I discover that it was. Thanks, Bill - Original Message - From: "Kara Savvas" To: "Jack Wood" ; Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 11:53 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! > Iowa is known for their corn, but all of my friends back home in North-Central Iowa grow soybeans for ethanol, and a little bit of corn for feed. LOTS of soybeans. They grow exclusively for fuel, it pays them pretty well, but they are also involved in the E85 'movement'. They also do tractor repair. These are very busy people in the spring and fall. My friends get bored in the winter, so they take up e85 politics to pass the dreary slow months, I swear. > > - Original Message > From: Jack Wood > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47:21 PM > Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! > > > --- David Locklear wrote: > > > > But there is no E-85. [ I still haven't seen an E-85 pump yet, and > > I have been keeping my eyes open for one. ] Nor did I see an(y) > free > > internet > > station(s). > > > David, you're too far south. I just returned from Utah and Colorado. > Both Nebraska and Iowa have signs on the highway that indicate if the > exit (this case I-80) has E-85 stations and then there were signs on > the streets pointing the direction if it wasn't next to the interstate. > I even saw one of the new ethanol plants out in the sticks of Iowa > while driving down to Appanoose Co, from Montezuma. Makes sense in the > two biggest corn(y) states. Texas isn't known for their corn belt, as I > hear it. > > Iowa's rest-stops all seem to have free wi-fi and advertise the fact on > their signage along the interstate. Seems most of the Texas rest-stop > budget went to that one on I-40 my dad tells me about out near > Amarillo. Calls it the Tom Delay memorial rest-area. Has bathroom > attendants that hand you a towel. > > As for gasoline prices I'd previously find little difference between > Chicago and Utah & west Colorado prices when I first started going out > that direction 10 years ago. Chicago is running $3.50-ish and we were > finding gas the whole way there and back around $3.15. Think the least > we paid was $2.99 per gal, the most in Hanksville, UT was $3.45 a gal. > We did note a 10-cent jump at the station we used coming and going in > Kearney, NE though. > > BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? > > See all of you in Indiana in 63 days or in 2 months and 2 days. > > -JackW! > > > > Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. > http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
Iowa is known for their corn, but all of my friends back home in North-Central Iowa grow soybeans for ethanol, and a little bit of corn for feed. LOTS of soybeans. They grow exclusively for fuel, it pays them pretty well, but they are also involved in the E85 'movement'. They also do tractor repair. These are very busy people in the spring and fall. My friends get bored in the winter, so they take up e85 politics to pass the dreary slow months, I swear. - Original Message From: Jack Wood To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Monday, May 21, 2007 8:47:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! --- David Locklear wrote: > But there is no E-85. [ I still haven't seen an E-85 pump yet, and > I have been keeping my eyes open for one. ] Nor did I see an(y) free > internet > station(s). David, you're too far south. I just returned from Utah and Colorado. Both Nebraska and Iowa have signs on the highway that indicate if the exit (this case I-80) has E-85 stations and then there were signs on the streets pointing the direction if it wasn't next to the interstate. I even saw one of the new ethanol plants out in the sticks of Iowa while driving down to Appanoose Co, from Montezuma. Makes sense in the two biggest corn(y) states. Texas isn't known for their corn belt, as I hear it. Iowa's rest-stops all seem to have free wi-fi and advertise the fact on their signage along the interstate. Seems most of the Texas rest-stop budget went to that one on I-40 my dad tells me about out near Amarillo. Calls it the Tom Delay memorial rest-area. Has bathroom attendants that hand you a towel. As for gasoline prices I'd previously find little difference between Chicago and Utah & west Colorado prices when I first started going out that direction 10 years ago. Chicago is running $3.50-ish and we were finding gas the whole way there and back around $3.15. Think the least we paid was $2.99 per gal, the most in Hanksville, UT was $3.45 a gal. We did note a 10-cent jump at the station we used coming and going in Kearney, NE though. BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? See all of you in Indiana in 63 days or in 2 months and 2 days. -JackW! Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Shape Yahoo! in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! http://surveylink.yahoo.com/gmrs/yahoo_panel_invite.asp?a=7 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] gas prices
And just yesterday I heard a story on NPR about the government subsidies in Iraq that keep prices very low there... even though they have oil, gas is actually very expensive for them. This program is starting to have problems. Kara - Original Message From: Gregg To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 9:44:20 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] gas prices Bill Bentley wrote: > Looks like the countries that have oil and lots of it have cheap gas, > but that doesn't apply to the US in areas where there are lots of oil... We have better minimum wage laws that they don't have in those countries. As soon as you start extracting, refining, and transporting oil without "slave labor", it gets expensive. If we required Arab nations to pay all involved in the oil industry the wages they are paid in the US, they would have a different attitude about us. The price of oil would go up to $7.00 per gallon. but we would solve a lot of the Middle East problem. This, by the way, IS, the Middle East problem. Irrational people on streets in the Middle East is one of the prices we pay for cheap gas. It's not all about Israel. Gregg - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. http://tv.yahoo.com/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Six months or 180 days?
Gregg said: I know there were still others who got in trouble of some kind because they did not turn in their registration paperwork before 180 consecutive days was up. You are definitely supposed to turn in your car permits by the time they expire, rather than simply leaving the country. Nowadays the Mexican aduanas are all computerized and even seem to be pretty well linked to each other, so every border crossing will likely know whether or not you have returned your old permits even from other crossings. Not doing so can cause real headaches (including fines) the next time you try to cross. Apparently one can sometimes turn them in at Mexican consulates in the US, although I tried to do that in Albuquerque and they told me it could only be done at the border. That can be very inconvenient, not to mention expensive, if you live very far away. I don't know if this is still the case, but it used to be that vehicle permits were tied to the ID you used to get them, rather than to the vehicle VIN itself. I once had an expired one that I got using a birth certificate as my ID. I tried to get a new one online with that ID and was denied because of my expired one. However when I reapplied using a passport as my ID, it was accepted! Might have been just luck, though. Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Six months or 180 days?
Nancy Weaver wrote: Is part of the confusion perhaps that there is an Insurance Policy that allows one to use only the days actually spent in Mexico? I imagine this is like the old thing about whether you could get into Mexico using a drivers license as an ID. Some people definitely did get in with only a drivers license, but that wasn't legal. You just had to get border personnel who didn't give a damn, and there were a lot of those. But some people would go down there and get a border agent who cared, and would be turned back. So you'd have one group of people who swore up and down based on their own personal experience that it only took a drivers license, and another that said you needed a voter registration card (or whatever it was.) I suppose we have some people who have gone back into Mexico well after six months had passes since they got their temporary registration and were let in, and others who did so but were asked to get a new registration. I know there were still others who got in trouble of some kind because they did not turn in their registration paperwork before 180 consecutive days was up. The wording said something like "return to an [authorized station] before 180 days [etc.]" and some border officials took that to mean "return and turn in your form before your permit expires", not "get out of Mexico before your permit expires". I imagine the present confusion over what six months means arises from confusing wording plus inconsistent training of personnel. (As well as not paying them enough so that they care in the first place.) Knowing that this is partly a money-making venture on the part of the Government of Mexico, I would imagine that the intent is that you have to do all your trips within 180 consecutive days, and that's how I remember it being written. I last read the paperwork in the early 90's, though, so who knows how it has changed. And the translation was by computer - and badly - so the English was one of the most hilarious things I have read. There isn't a single math issue in here, by the way. It's all language, definitions, rules, and luck. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: Early June volunteer opportunities with Wildand Conservation - KARST Inventory and more
-Original Message- From: Dietz,Daniel To: Dietz,Daniel Sent: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:30 am Subject: Early June volunteer opportunities with Wildand Conservation Arroyo restoration at Onion Creek Sunday June 3, 8:30am to 1p.m. Location: central Hays County, 6 miles west of Buda One of the arroyos that feeds Onion Creek is creating a gully at its upper reaches. Join us as we plant container grown grasses into erosion control fabric to put a stop to this erosion. We will be using two different planting techniques so we can obtain a better idea of what the best management practices are for this type of restoration. For more info go to http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/water/downloads/arroyo_restoration_june07.pdf Contact Daniel Dietz for directions and to register (daniel.di...@ci.austin.tx.us 512-263-6443). Karst inventory at Onion Creek Saturday June 2, 8:30am to 12:30 Location: central Hays County, 6 miles west of Buda With the vegetation knocked down by our recent prescribed burn, now is the perfect time to inventory caves, sinkholes, and other karst features, and you can help. These features are the conduit by which water enters the Edwards aquifer. Knowing their location will inform our land management decisions. Training will be provided. For more info go to http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/water/downloads/karst_ridge_walking_mayjune07.pdf Contact Daniel Dietz for directions and to register (daniel.di...@ci.austin.tx.us 512-263-6443). Support our partners Trail building at the Stennis tract with the Bull Creek Foundation The Bull Creek Foundation is building a new trail on the Water Quality Protection Land’s Stennis tract, which is near the intersection of Spicewood Springs and loop 360. The next workday is Saturday May 26 and Work is from 8am to 1pm. Contact bullcreekvolunte...@gmail.com to register or obtain more details. Daniel Dietz Environmental Conservation Information Specialist City of Austin - Wildland Conservation Division 3635 RR 620S, Austin, TX 78738-6807 512-263-6443 cell phone: 512-731-2517 fax: 512-263-1276 pager 512-802-8721 AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com.
[Texascavers] RE: Six months or 180 days?
Nancy Weaver said: Is part of the confusion perhaps that there is an Insurance Policy that allows one to use only the days actually spent in Mexico? Not that I have ever heard of. One can buy Mexican auto insurance that is good for 6 months or a year, but again it is for consecutive days, not days south of the border. Mark Minton
Re: [Texascavers] gas prices
Bill Bentley wrote: Looks like the countries that have oil and lots of it have cheap gas, but that doesn't apply to the US in areas where there are lots of oil... We have better minimum wage laws that they don't have in those countries. As soon as you start extracting, refining, and transporting oil without "slave labor", it gets expensive. If we required Arab nations to pay all involved in the oil industry the wages they are paid in the US, they would have a different attitude about us. The price of oil would go up to $7.00 per gallon. but we would solve a lot of the Middle East problem. This, by the way, IS, the Middle East problem. Irrational people on streets in the Middle East is one of the prices we pay for cheap gas. It's not all about Israel. Gregg - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Six months or 180 days?
Is part of the confusion perhaps that there is an Insurance Policy that allows one to use only the days actually spent in Mexico? Nancy - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT!!!! warning!!!
-Original Message- >From: Jack Wood >Sent: May 21, 2007 9:47 PM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com >Subject: [Texascavers] Re: $ 2.89 lowest price found - way OT warning!!! >BTW, Shiner Bock is now available here in Chicago. WTF? It's been available in Richmond, VA since 1998-99 and is marketed as a mid-range microbrew for $8.00 a six pack. Ted http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Report on the New Grand Canyon Skywalk
I found this on another group.. I take no responsibility for its accuracy.. I was wondering about this boondoggle.. Ted >>The following is unedited from an email a friend sent me regarding their recent trip to see the new Skywalk at the Grand Canyon. For anyone thinking about going, here is a reality check for you...Best regards. Chris wanted to see the new "thing" at the Grand Canyon , so we went this weekend. It is advertised as $25.00 to go out on the skywalk and the pictures show a beautiful building next to the walkway. Well; they are not quite "HONEST." It is $25.00 to go on the skywalk, but it is $50.00 to be on the reservation. You find this out after what they say is a 1 hour trip down a 57 mile dirt road. Wrong! this dirt road is 57 mile alright; the fastest you can go is 25 mph; you do the math!!! So, after this long drive you get the good news that it actually is $75.00 a person!! Chris said maybe we should forget it; I said after that road we are not coming back so get out the damn credit card. Then you get on their bus for a 10 min ride to the "walkway"; built in one of the ugliest place on the whole Grand Canyon; not a tree to be seen and the water is gray below! Their building is not started, so you have a trailer to go into to go through a metal detector and leave your camera and purse in the trailer. The walkway glass was cracked which lead me to believe they may have a few engineering glitches and I got my ass off the thing right away after seeing that! Believe me it is not as big or long as it looks on TV. They do give you a buffet lunch, with your ticket, at "Guano" (means creature poop) Point. The Indians used to go over the cliff here to pick up bird crap to use for Makeup (war paint). You get to sit in one of the windiest places on earth to eat your chicken or ribs covered with blowing dirt and whatever. We passed on the lunch. There are buses leaving every 10-15 min with 52 people on board at $75.00 per person $3, 900.00 per bus from 8:00 am until 6:30 pm. That's $156,000.00 per day! I guess they are making a lot of money. They are flying people in from Vegas and Laughlin to go see this thing! I guess the Indians are smart; but not so honest about all the details of the activity. We had to stop and change a tire for a young girl who took her grandparents out there. They had the right kind of car and good tires; but the road is terrible, they blew out the side wall of the tire. They must have hit the side of the road and a big rock. They did not know where the spare tire was and were completely helpless. The tow truck would have come out there but it would have been 2.5 hours and $400.00! The girl was very scared and grateful we stopped to help. Some guys stopped to ask if this was the right way to the Skywalk. Grandpa yelled out go back it is not worth it!! One last detail, the hotel the Indians run to accommodate this adventure looks great online, but the sign at check in says "SINCE THE TRAINS COME BY EVERY 10 -15 MINS PLEASE ASK FOR THE FREE EAR PLUGS". We immediately canceled our reservations and made it to Kingman , AZ for the night. We got up at 6am and got the hell out of Arizona! http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Report on the New Grand Canyon Skywalk
I found this on another group.. I take no responsibility for its accuracy.. I was wondering about this boondoggle.. Ted >>The following is unedited from an email a friend sent me regarding their recent trip to see the new Skywalk at the Grand Canyon. For anyone thinking about going, here is a reality check for you...Best regards. Chris wanted to see the new "thing" at the Grand Canyon , so we went this weekend. It is advertised as $25.00 to go out on the skywalk and the pictures show a beautiful building next to the walkway. Well; they are not quite "HONEST." It is $25.00 to go on the skywalk, but it is $50.00 to be on the reservation. You find this out after what they say is a 1 hour trip down a 57 mile dirt road. Wrong! this dirt road is 57 mile alright; the fastest you can go is 25 mph; you do the math!!! So, after this long drive you get the good news that it actually is $75.00 a person!! Chris said maybe we should forget it; I said after that road we are not coming back so get out the damn credit card. Then you get on their bus for a 10 min ride to the "walkway"; built in one of the ugliest place on the whole Grand Canyon; not a tree to be seen and the water is gray below! Their building is not started, so you have a trailer to go into to go through a metal detector and leave your camera and purse in the trailer. The walkway glass was cracked which lead me to believe they may have a few engineering glitches and I got my ass off the thing right away after seeing that! Believe me it is not as big or long as it looks on TV. They do give you a buffet lunch, with your ticket, at "Guano" (means creature poop) Point. The Indians used to go over the cliff here to pick up bird crap to use for Makeup (war paint). You get to sit in one of the windiest places on earth to eat your chicken or ribs covered with blowing dirt and whatever. We passed on the lunch. There are buses leaving every 10-15 min with 52 people on board at $75.00 per person $3, 900.00 per bus from 8:00 am until 6:30 pm. That's $156,000.00 per day! I guess they are making a lot of money. They are flying people in from Vegas and Laughlin to go see this thing! I guess the Indians are smart; but not so honest about all the details of the activity. We had to stop and change a tire for a young girl who took her grandparents out there. They had the right kind of car and good tires; but the road is terrible, they blew out the side wall of the tire. They must have hit the side of the road and a big rock. They did not know where the spare tire was and were completely helpless. The tow truck would have come out there but it would have been 2.5 hours and $400.00! The girl was very scared and grateful we stopped to help. Some guys stopped to ask if this was the right way to the Skywalk. Grandpa yelled out go back it is not worth it!! One last detail, the hotel the Indians run to accommodate this adventure looks great online, but the sign at check in says "SINCE THE TRAINS COME BY EVERY 10 -15 MINS PLEASE ASK FOR THE FREE EAR PLUGS". We immediately canceled our reservations and made it to Kingman , AZ for the night. We got up at 6am and got the hell out of Arizona! http://home.infionline.net/~tbsamsel/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
