RE: [ot_caving] The 2008 NSS Convention
Think Carlsbad, David. It's probably a shorter drive for you and access to CaCa is $6 for three days. Unlimited visits the whole time. Plus, the Living Desert Zoo is pretty cool. If CaCa doesn't hook your wife and kids on caving, nothing will. They have a lot of off-trail Ranger led tours, but your kiddos may be too young. Check out their website and sign up early. It had that effect on me when I was a wee little lad of 10 from Iowa on vacation with his parents. Now, look what they've done! Have a good weekend and vacation, nevertheless. Mark -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:44 PM To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] The 2008 NSS Convention I have made a decision that I will probably skip the NSS Convention this year. I really enjoy going to them, and have been to most of the last 5 of them and a few others. I am probably going to look for an inexpensive shorter road-trip that I can take the family on. One of my possible destinations is Alabaster Caverns in Oklahoma. I believe that is a cave that I could easily take my toddler daughter thru.It is about 10 hours from my house, so it is something we could do on a 3 or 4 day weekend, stopping along the way to enjoy the road-trip and eat at various interesting places. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] the vice president options
I think Obama could select a female VP and have another advantage over Hillary. I think John McCain will probably croak before the end of his 4 year presidency, so he needs a VP that can has the proven potential to be president. I don't think Hillary will chose a female for VP. She could get Tiger Woods and get a lot of black votes. Or she could possibly get some more votes with someone like Jesse Jackson, but for the black vote she would gain there, she would likely lose just as many white voters. John McCain needs money bad. He may have to settle for some rich republican with connections. Dan Quayle? Obama can afford any candidate he wants and I doubt anybody would turn him down. Where as some might not want to be a VP under Hillary or McCain. In my opinion, the Republicans don't stand a chance of winning, because of the the progress the current republican president has brought us.So it probably irrelevant who McCain chooses. What if Obama chooses a black VP? People might be inclined to think he would fill his entire cabinet with black people. I think all of the candidates would gain young voters by choosing a young VP. But they might lose some older voters. On a related note, Personally, I think the VP system is incredibly stupid. No efficient corporation in the world works with such a fubared system. I believe it would be better to have 4 or more VP's who are assigned specific task and that they be judged on the completion of those task. For example, the VP of Foreign Affairs, The VP of Military, the VP of Economy, the VP of Administration. They would be elected or selected by congress independently, but take orders from the President. They would serve life terms, but could be fired for ineptness. If the president would croak, one of them would act in his place until a suitable alternative was found. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] Telectroscope
Have you heard about the Telectroscope yet? This qualifiies as really neato. Imagine that you are looking into a large TV and seeing a live image of someone in the picture who appears to be looking at you, but they are in reality thousands of miles away looking into a similar large TV. Now try to imagine that the image is so realistic that they look like they are standing about 30 feet away from you. One end of the Telectroscope is in New York in a public area and the other is in London. The signal is connected by some source that the inventor is witholding, but is either satellite or a trans-alantic fiber-obtic cable. http://www.foxnews.com/images/371880/1_61_telectroscope_bikes.jpg The possibilities of this technology are very interesting. We could watch events at a caving convention that we were unable to attend? We could install them one near an underground waterfall and people on the surface could see the cave or cavers in action live. We could communicate with loved ones in a manner that is more incredible than in many Star Trek movies. Medical surgeons could use these to send images to class-rooms. It is possible that in 100 years, historians will look back on the invention of the telectroscope as the greatest invention of the 21st century. David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[ot_caving] 2 new interesting cell phones
Are you ready for a completely disposable cell-phone? You buy it. It makes calls straight out of the package. In a month, you send it to the land-fill. Or how about a cell-phone that has zero capability other than placing calls. It can't receive calls. It can't display the number you dialed. It can't tell time. It can't store phone numbers. I doesn't ring. It doesn't beep.It doesn't have voice-mail. It doesn't have a phone number. The company below is close to having such phones: http://hop-on.com/cellphones_gsm.html David Locklear - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry. Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:50 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand It is my observation that millions of Americans are modifying their cars by putting excessively large chrome wheels on their cars. I am certain that this causes the car to get worse gas mileage. These rims are not aerodynamic and are heavy. In addition, the larger tires they are upgrading to are also using more gas as they are wider. The stress put on the cars axle by these tires is surely going to where out the axle bearings faster. The factories that make all of these rims, and tires and bearings are going to need fuel to keep running. Future cars will have to have lightweight aerodynamic ( meaning ugly ) rims and tires in order to lower their EPA estimated mileage. That was what they did on the Honda Insight. The hybrid drivetrain only played a small role in the high EPA rating. I think it is going to be difficult to make an off-road vehicle that is fuel efficient. But hopefully soon, caver will be able to pick them up dirt cheap as their owners will not be able to put gas in them. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry. Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:38:50 -0500 From: dlocklea...@gmail.com To: o...@texascavers.com Subject: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand It is my observation that millions of Americans are modifying their cars by putting excessively large chrome wheels on their cars. I am certain that this causes the car to get worse gas mileage. These rims are not aerodynamic and are heavy. In addition, the larger tires they are upgrading to are also using more gas as they are wider. The stress put on the cars axle by these tires is surely going to where out the axle bearings faster. The factories that make all of these rims, and tires and bearings are going to need fuel to keep running. Future cars will have to have lightweight aerodynamic ( meaning ugly ) rims and tires in order to lower their EPA estimated mileage. That was what they did on the Honda Insight. The hybrid drivetrain only played a small role in the high EPA rating. I think it is going to be difficult to make an off-road vehicle that is fuel efficient. But hopefully soon, caver will be able to pick them up dirt cheap as their owners will not be able to put gas in them. David - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM To: Louise Power Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.alman@l-3com.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demandDate: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_louise@hotmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PMTo: Louise PowerCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out.-WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PM To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don Cooper Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500 To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM To: Louise Power Cc: David; o...@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.commailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
It's probably cheaper in the long run just to get a new one. I'm not sure I'd want to drive with a repaired tank. Remember, KA-BOOM! From: fholt@townandcountryins.comTo: power_lou...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wavycaver@gmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; ot@texascavers.comList-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:34:20 -0500Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PMTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don CooperCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! From: mark.alman@l-3com.comSubject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demandDate: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_louise@hotmail.comCC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the Dallas Morning News this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark From: Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com]Sent: Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PMTo: Louise PowerCc: David; ot@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out.-WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand
Actually it wouldn't have to cost so much. You can have an insert installed that has a bolt through it. After which, gas thieves could just remove the bolt instead of drilling another hole in your tank. The best solution would be to set an example to other gas thieves by installing holes in their scull with a high to medium velocity projectile. But other than killing off the low life - I think the best solutions might possibly be the most cost-effective ones. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 6:54 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: It's probably cheaper in the long run just to get a new one. I'm not sure I'd want to drive with a repaired tank. Remember, KA-BOOM! -- From: fh...@townandcountryins.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; wavyca...@gmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 16:34:20 -0500 Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Due to the labor involved, repairing a drilled or ruptured gas tank will be an expensive repair job if you pay someone else to do it. They do not employ practical (cheap) methods. Fritz -- *From:* Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, May 23, 2008 3:17 PM *To:* mark.al...@l-3com.com; Don Cooper *Cc:* David; o...@texascavers.com *Subject:* RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Even worse, there was a story on the news the other night talking about how even if people got locking gas caps, thieves would drill small holes in the gas tanks and drain the gas out that way. Thieves are so much more inventive than we are. They seem to stay one step ahead of any measure we take. Imagine the poor vehicle owner, who turns his key and KA-BOOM!!! -- From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Subject: RE: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 12:42:34 -0500 To: wavyca...@gmail.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: dlocklea...@gmail.com; o...@texascavers.com There was an article in the *Dallas Morning News* this past week addressing this and how restaurants and vendors that collect/recycle this stuff are being robbed blind by grease bandits. May be a great way to make your own fuel, but, yuck! Also read how gas stations are experiencing higher drive offs and people getting their gas tanks siphoned. Better get a locking gas cap, y'all! Later, Mark -- *From:* Don Cooper [mailto:wavyca...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Fri 5/23/2008 12:20 PM *To:* Louise Power *Cc:* David; o...@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [ot_caving] gas supply and demand Yes, it is indeed do-able. All you need are vehicles with diesel engines, some vats, chemicals and pumps to take out all the glycerin and impurities and filter it all out. It is quite an effective way to go as long as you've got local restraunts agreeable to waste oil take out. -WaV On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: I saw a story on the news the other day about some guy in California (of course) who had converted his vehicle to run on cooking oil which he recycled from local restaurants. He said it worked well and the only downside was that his garage smelled like a French fry.
[Texascavers] Cave craziness
From TagNet: Not TAG related but, Wow!! By: Don Hunter (Colbert, Georgia) donandka...@windstream.net Not TAG related but definitely worth a view. The URL copied below is, I think, of some crazy-ass Spaniards acting fairly irresponsibly, albeit, entertaining, in a cave that I would guess is in Spain somewhere. And you thought base jumping into Golondrinas was crazy. This guy scales what must be a 35 - 40 foot high totem stalagmite, somehow manages to achieve a standing position on top and backflips into a pool. You just gotta see it. In case the link segments, make sure that you get the final number string (1408963331) at the end of the URL. http://www.brightcove.tv/title.jsp?title=1442372244channel=1408963331 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
