[Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008
UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday December 3, 2008 www.utgrotto.org The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Mike Gross will share some photos from the July work expedition at Fort Stanton Cave including a bunch from a trip along a mile of the Snowy River formation. He will also have a some really great video footage on the discovery and surveying of Snowy River. The UT Grotto is always looking for someone like you that has cool photos and a story to share about your caving adventures. Contact Gary to get your place in the spotlight v...@utgrotto.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008
Thanks for posting this, Gary, and, Mike, if you'd like to send those pix (and a report) my way for the TEXAS CAVER, that would be great. There hasn't been any articles about the Snowy River formation and Fort Stanton cave since I've been the editor and not sure when the last one was. It would be a good addition. Send it and any other submissions worthy to print for inclusion! I need material for the next couple of issues and the next issue is at the printers, as we speak. I apologize for the delay in getting this last issue out, but I had to write the bulk of this issue, assemble the vast and mind-boggling TCR collage on the ALL color cover, enter ALL of the TCR registration data into the Membership directory to extract/update the mailing list (we added quite a few new members. Yeah!), and now, get to mail it out very soon. (Yeah, yeah, yeah! Cry me a river, Mark!) Anyway, that is all. I'll be quiet now and go back to my corner. Thanks! Mark From: Gary Franklin [mailto:garyfrankl...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 7:21 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: mgross: cwa-tseu.org Subject: [Texascavers] UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008 UT Grotto meeting - Wednesday December 3, 2008 www.utgrotto.org The meeting is on Wednesday from 7:45 P.M. - 9:00 P.M. on the University of Texas Campus in 2.48 Painter Hall http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/pai.html Mike Gross will share some photos from the July work expedition at Fort Stanton Cave including a bunch from a trip along a mile of the Snowy River formation. He will also have a some really great video footage on the discovery and surveying of Snowy River. The UT Grotto is always looking for someone like you that has cool photos and a story to share about your caving adventures. Contact Gary to get your place in the spotlight v...@utgrotto.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico
Just another couple of anecdotes on good experiences (albeit back in the 70s). As I said earlier, for several years Mike Connolly and I would take newbies to Mexico over the Xmas holidays. Often we camped at Nacimiento del Rio Mante or, on occasions, near some houses near the caves we were going to. We would almost always take a canned ham for the family, candy for the children and, on occasion, a little something to keep the old folks warm. They liked to see us coming and often looked after our vehicles and belongings while we went caving. I'm sure a lot of their joy in seeing us came from the gifts we brought, but we were also very grateful to have someone looking after our stuff. One year, we made a big long trip through an area where the roads were barely on the map. At one point, I pulled to the side of the road near an apple orchard to wait for car #2. While we were there, three little kids (the oldest probably 10) came down from a house up on the mountain to see what was going on. At that time, I used to carry an old Polaroid b/w camera with me. I had the kids line up against the fence and took a couple of pictures of them. When they had developed, I gave them to the kids and told them to take them up to their mom. In about 10 minutes, just as car #2 drove up, mom came up and handed me a package. In it were about a dozen homemade tamales. I told her that it wasn't necessary, but she said she really appreciated the pictures. I guess she didn't have any or many of her kids. When we got to camp that night, I pulled out a big pan so I could steam the tamales, but most of the newbies wouldn't eat them. I guess they'd heard too much about getting sick on food in Mexico. A couple of others and I, on the other hand, feasted that nite. You're right, Robert, I hope what is going on currently is just a phase and disappears soon. Good people; good memories. Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 21:03:24 -0600 From: ralb...@austin.rr.com To: pitboun...@gmail.com CC: mamaarsc...@gmail.com; cavera...@aol.com; power_lou...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] Safety in Mexico Just thought I'd contribute a few details having grown up on the border and traveling in northern Mexico since the mid-60s. First ?I'll offer a belief that these things have kind of gone in waves. Our early travels always involved la mordida with regularity but that definitely changed for the better and have not been really bit since. As to drug trafficking I'd hate for people to think that this is a south of the border activity alone. As a young man working crops I was told more than once that I was not to work section X or Y prior to say 9am or after 7pm. And btw if I managed to alert him to approaching BP it would be appreciated. And yes that was a landowner's son giving the directions circa late '70s. I've made multiple trips to Creel and as early as '88 it was obvious that you did not go traipsing deep towards Batopilas without making a lot of noise in advance of your approach. Sinaloa was not particularly safe 20 years ago. Buddy and I tried to recreate the All the Pretty Horses trip in the mid 90s. Got stopped by a group of seriously dehydrated Chilango soldiers 25 miles north of OCampo Coah. - despite their 50 caliber machine gun (I exaggerate not) they demanded nothing and we gave them water as their supply truck was a week late. Two days later we were held at gunpoint by a group of very nervous cops northeast of Torreon who were surprised by our sudden appearance busting through a thicket in search of a road. It was a very scary two hours later but once they realized we weren't drug agents we gave them some beer and there was relaxed back slapping all around. My dad and I broke down between Galeana and Rayones and after 14 hours we never saw another vehicle. I started walking and an hour later came upon an old man's house built into a gully. He sends a young boy up the hill and 20 minutes later his 20 something son complete with tear drop tattoos at his eyes appears acting totally deferential to the old man and busted his butt helping my dad and I get the vehicle going again. They refused money but accepted a bag of rice after we declined to stay for dinner we were already a day late meeting somebody. Anyhow - I've had friends beaten and taken for rides in Reynosa since the 70s. I lived 5 miles from where the college kid was boiled and eaten. but just like when I visit Bogota, NYC, London, Oakland, wherever - there are places you just have to be extra, extra, careful about and the Mexico / US border is one of them. I've had more innocent kindness shown to me in the heartland of Mexico than I've had in *safe* places like Switzerland and Singapore - I'm looking forward to this wave passing as well. It won't be easy but I believe it will pass. Till then - be careful but don't let the fear stop you. -Robert
[Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced
and of course the illegal drug activities and the profits of the groups that benefit could be cut to zero by simply making marijuana and meth legal. voila, just like prohibition - the same number would use the product, however no crimes or vast criminal organizations would flourish. way too simple, eh? oh yes, for profit prisons, the fastest growing, best protected investment in the US would disappear as well . . . - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced
I agree. Maybe we'll see changes soon with the new admin. Want to help stop the war on drugs? Consider supporting: www.mpp.org http://www.mpp.org/ and http://www.drugpolicy.org/homepage.cfm -Original Message- From: Nancy Weaver [mailto:nan...@io.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 9:01 AM To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] marijuana and meth labs problem reduced and of course the illegal drug activities and the profits of the groups that benefit could be cut to zero by simply making marijuana and meth legal. voila, just like prohibition - the same number would use the product, however no crimes or vast criminal organizations would flourish. way too simple, eh? oh yes, for profit prisons, the fastest growing, best protected investment in the US would disappear as well . . . - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 20:03:52 -0000 Issue 655
texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 20:03:52 - Issue 655 Topics (messages 9523 through 9535): Re: Safety in Mexico 9523 by: Louise Power 9526 by: Albach 9533 by: Louise Power Re: new Speleo Digest series editor 9524 by: Minton, Mark 9525 by: Minton, Mark a Speleo Digest project 9527 by: Mixon Bill 9528 by: speleosteele.tx.rr.com UT Grotto meeting - December 3, 2008 9529 by: Gary Franklin 9530 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com marijuana and meth labs problem reduced 9531 by: Nancy Weaver 9534 by: Geo Crosby Tennessee cave fatality 9532 by: David 9535 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Of course, my experiences occurred prior to 1976 when I went back to school and pretty much dropped out of caving in favor of studying. I'm sure things have changed a lot since then. However, I'd like to say that our problems with the Mexican Mafia and their marijuana grows here in Oregon are very serious. They pick up growers in small Mexican villages and then threaten their families if they don't grow for them in the National Forests and on BLM land all up and down the I-5 corridor. The mountains in Oregon, Washington and California are very conducive to growing weed and I-5 makes an excellent transportation route. Our law enforcement rangers give us presentations periodically on what to look for--plots, camps, etc. Each year during the harvest season, our rangers destroy hundreds of plots with millions of dollars worth of mj. We had a major problem until recently with meth labs (local, not MexMaf). A couple of years ago, Oregon passed a law that put all the cough medicines that were used to make meth behind the counters in grocery stores and pharmacies. A lot of people complained, but I heard from a local deputy that the meth lab problem has been cut by more than half since they did that. Louise List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:24:13 -0600From: mamaarscott@gmail.comTo: caverarch@aol.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Safety in MexicoCC: power_lou...@hotmail.com; texascav...@texascavers.comi was in Monterrey, Montemorales, and Linares the week before last for four days on a work trip. We met with local growers, ranchers, and had a lecture from a political science professor at Monterrey Tech among many other activities. There was a lot of discussion about the drug traffic from South America and the resultant crime in Mexico. I think we probably even met a businessman in the Mexican mafia - - - something was really off about him, his employees, and his factory. Even the political professor admitted that the government in Mexico is very corrupt which I thought was pretty interesting to tell to a group of Americans. I think there is real danger in Mexico, but we were fortunate to be with excellent guides and had safe travels. Just my two cents worth.Amanda On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 3:48 PM, CaverArch cavera...@aol.com wrote: I enjoyed Louise's stories from Mexico, and hate strike a down note, but I just received the following forward from my cousin. He was contacting an acquaintance about joining a tour to the Tarahumara people's Easter ceremonies in the Copper Canyon. He got the following chilling response from the person who used to conduct these informal group visits to the Canyon. I have been to this beautiful place, and heard distant Tarahumara drumming to greet the sunrise. The canyon and its people will get along without the Gringo tourists, I hope, but this is a very sad way to get some privacy. Roger Moore Houston Hi, It is really too bad what is happening in Mexico with the drug traffic. We lived in Creel for ten years but decided to move to El Paso. The ceremonies are great to see but its too dangerous to go there now. Unless things change I don't think you should plan to go. We used to travel all over northern Mexico but things have changed drastically in the last two years.I had to go to Juarez yesterday and had to get rerouted by the federal police. I found out later four people were killed. Our daughter lives in Chihuahua city and said there were two people killed on the streets yesterday morning. She also told us they are detoured in different areas of town almost daily because of the shootings. Its really getting bad, even the local people are affraid to be on the streets even during the day. We still have a home in Creel, you may have heard about the the killings there, it made the national news. Thirteen people were gunned down and the people responsible
[Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested?
All, I've been mulling over the project this month and was just curious as to the interest level, mainly, with finals going on UT, A M, and some of the other colleges. If enough folks are interested, we will be digging out/down the passageway to allow better air flow and the more gravitationally-challenged cavers, like myself, to traverse the cave easier. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLINE, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMING!!! If there is high enough level of interest, we will meet at the visitors' center at Longhorn Caverns State Park at 9 AM and caravan from there to the Crownover entrance needing to be dug out. Please bring any tools and equipment that you might think is necessary, i.e., small shovels, trowels, as well as your own water, food, and camping gear. Naturally, I will have waivers for y'all that need to be signed, or I can email them to you to help expedite the necessary paperwork. Camping Friday and Saturday night will be at the picnic area at Longhorn. Directions and more info to Longhorn Caverns is below: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=Longhorn+Cavern+State+Park,+Burnet http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/longhorn_cavern/ I appreciate all who have already helped out last month. We had a fun and enjoyable time! Please let me know if you'll be coming, so I can give the park a rough head count. Thanks! Thanks, Mark Alman 972-329-4753 (H) 214-289-9181 (cell)
RE: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested?
P.S. - I forgot to mention that we would be digging in the AM and do a thru trip in the afternoon. Thanks, Mark From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 2:20 PM To: Cave Texas Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com; spelun...@sbcglobal.net; Lyndon Tiu; Alan Blevins; Stefan Creaser; germa...@aol.com; Devra Heyer Subject: [Texascavers] Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested? All, I've been mulling over the project this month and was just curious as to the interest level, mainly, with finals going on UT, A M, and some of the other colleges. If enough folks are interested, we will be digging out/down the passageway to allow better air flow and the more gravitationally-challenged cavers, like myself, to traverse the cave easier. PLEASE CONTACT ME OFFLINE, IF YOU ARE INTERESTED IN COMING!!! If there is high enough level of interest, we will meet at the visitors' center at Longhorn Caverns State Park at 9 AM and caravan from there to the Crownover entrance needing to be dug out. Please bring any tools and equipment that you might think is necessary, i.e., small shovels, trowels, as well as your own water, food, and camping gear. Naturally, I will have waivers for y'all that need to be signed, or I can email them to you to help expedite the necessary paperwork. Camping Friday and Saturday night will be at the picnic area at Longhorn. Directions and more info to Longhorn Caverns is below: http://maps.google.com/maps?f=qhl=enq=Longhorn+Cavern+State+Park,+Burnet http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/findadest/parks/longhorn_cavern/ I appreciate all who have already helped out last month. We had a fun and enjoyable time! Please let me know if you'll be coming, so I can give the park a rough head count. Thanks! Thanks, Mark Alman 972-329-4753 (H) 214-289-9181 (cell)
[Texascavers] Upcoming Laguna de Sanchez trip
Greetings, cavers! You are receiving this email because you have participated in a past expedition to Laguna de Sanchez, or have expressed an interest in upcoming trips. I am also cc'ing this message to CaveTex in case there is anyone else out there interested. The next Project trip will be 20 Dec to 5 Jan. We plan to camp pretty much the whole time at La Camotera, the limestone plateau where we have found most of the caves so far. As near as we can determine, there are still 12-15 caves out there yet to be surveyed. Some people are talking about coming down after Christmas, and others are planning to leave on 1 Jan. We're flexible, come and stay as long as you like. Most of the caves out there are at least somewhat vertical, so personal vertical gear and knowledge of its use is important if you plan to get into any of the virgin caves. I'll have plenty of ropes along with me, so we can multiple parties going out on any particular day. The area where we will camp is level, shaded, and gorgeous. Caves are within an easy walk. There is no water there, so we have to haul in all of our own. We will be at around 5200 feet in elevation, in a nice oak-pine forest. Now that I am back from the PESO project, I need to start firming up the coordination of this one. Please let me know in the next week or so if you are at least 90% sure that you will be there, and the time frame. Those coming in to Austin from out of state have a few more logistics to coordinate with me. I can provide maps and directions for those driving, and we can caravan if you are coming and going at the same time I am. Let's get some dialog going. If you tell me you are out, I'll take your name off future emails about this particular trip. If you know someone else interested, pass it along, but have that person get in touch with me. I like to know who to expect. -- Jim Confidentiality Note: This email and any attachment to it are confidential and protected by law and intended for the use of the individual(s) or entity named on the email. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any dissemination or distribution of this communication is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender via return email and delete it completely from your email system. If you have printed a copy of the email, please destroy it immediately. Thank you
[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. - A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed about four hours after the collapse. From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
Eternally a caver now! What a grim exit strategy! -WaV On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
[Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatalityHate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late! Best to all, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. - A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed about four hours after the collapse. -- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first Americans for their own profits. From: wdwalden@windstream.netTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late! Best to all, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. — A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed about four hours after the collapse. From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PMTo: Texascavers Mailing ListSubject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Were these 2 guys cavers?http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscribe@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality
No, they were not cavers, but trespassers, pothunters and looters. More later. Preston in western KY +++ - Original Message - From: Don Cooper To: David Cc: Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Eternally a caver now! What a grim exit strategy! -WaV On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 12:00 AM
[Texascavers] Geocorps Positions on the Tongass
forwarded from: Johanna Kovarik jkova...@fs.fed.us Hey Everyone; Forwardthis to anyone you think might be interested - I'm advertising for 2Geocorps interns to come up to the Tongass for 12 weeks during thesummer of 2009 (May - August) and help with reorganizing our cave data- basically, we need two individuals to hike around in the woods andrelocate old caves and document them, and to locate new caves and helpmap them. Part of that will involve updating our master cave inventorylayer in ArcGIS and entering cave survey data to help develop anunderground watershed layer to be utilized in the future as we beefup our resource inventories, including hopefully a biological inventoryin the near future. It would be great tohave individuals that are already cavers, and are already familliarwith cave mapping and inventory - but this is an internship and not apaid position! The geocorps interns will each receive a $2750 stipendfor the summer and free housing. While out in the field, they willreceive free food (and what caver can't turn down free food?). Theymust be prepaired for hard core hiking through rough terrain, thickvegetation, and can't be bothered by rain. If you know of any interested individuals, encourage them to apply at the GSA webapge: http://rock.geosociety.org/g_corps/2009/allJobDescriptions.asp and feel free to send them my email if they have any questions. There are also a few other cave and karst related positions up forgrabs, one of them working with Ben and Joel down at SEKI, and one atMammoth! The positions up in Alaska are officially called Cave Resource Technicians, Tongass National Forest. Thanks! Hope you all are doing well! cheers, Johanna
texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 22:51:49 -0000 Issue 656
texascavers Digest 2 Dec 2008 22:51:49 - Issue 656 Topics (messages 9536 through 9546): Re: Tennessee cave fatality 9536 by: Don Cooper 9539 by: Bill Walden 9541 by: Louise Power 9544 by: Preston Forsythe book idea 9537 by: David 9543 by: Philip L Moss Longhorn Cavern Project, Saturday, December 6th - Interested? 9538 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 9540 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com Upcoming Laguna de Sanchez trip 9542 by: Jim Kennedy Geocorps Positions on the Tongass 9545 by: vivbone.att.net Re: KY Cave Fatality 9546 by: Preston Forsythe Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Eternally a caver now! What a grim exit strategy! -WaV On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 1:22 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatalityHate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late! Best to all, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. - A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed about four hours after the collapse. -- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first Americans for their own profits. From: wdwalden@windstream.netTo: mark.al...@l-3com.com; dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.comDate: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late! Best to all, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. — A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under
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Re: [Texascavers] KY Cave Fatality
The TN pothunter died in Buzzard Cave, on the West Fork of the Red River, in Christian Co., KY. This cave is north of the very famous Glover Cave. Many caves in this area have been pothunted severely in the past and several looters have actually been caught and arrested while in the illegal act of digging for artifacts and burials. In fact the Evansville Metropolitan Grotto did a grotto trip to Glover Cave last weekend. Up on a shelf inside the entrance were several skulls recently dug. Info from Ernie Payne. Preston = - Original Message - From: Louise Power To: Bill Walden ; Mark Alman ; David Locklear ; Texas Cavers Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality To say nothing of illegal on public lands and, in many states, on private lands. And immoral in general. They are stealing the heritage of first Americans for their own profits. -- From: wdwal...@windstream.net To: mark.al...@l-3com.com; dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2008 15:30:43 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Hate to sound callous but pot holing (digging for native American artifacts) is popular in Kentucky and Tennessee. Those people really tear things up and leave their trash - lots. Lesson learned to late! Best to all, Bill Walden - Original Message - From: mark.al...@l-3com.com To: David ; Texascavers Mailing List Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 3:00 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Sounds more like a trench collapse than a cave collapse, David. Thanks, Mark From Foxnews.com: HOPKINSVILLE, Ky. — A Tennessee man has died after a cave collapsed in western Kentucky while he was digging for Native American artifacts. Christian County Coroner Dorris Lamb says 42-year-old Devin William Peters, of Clarksville, Tenn., was killed in the accident. Christian County Rescue Team director Randy Graham told the Kentucky New Era that Peters and another man were at the cave, located between Pembroke and Oak Grove, when the walls of an excavation trench collapsed. The second man was above ground and telephoned for help at 4 p.m. CST Monday. Graham said Peters' remains were found eight feet below the floor of the cave, buried under about four feet of dirt. Graham said the remains were removed about four hours after the collapse. From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tue 12/2/2008 1:22 PM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: [Texascavers] Tennessee cave fatality Were these 2 guys cavers? http://www.kentucky.com/471/story/612969.html - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.552 / Virus Database: 270.9.12 - Release Date: 11/30/2008 12:00 AM
[ot_caving] computer news - Intel
According to this story today, computer geeks have broken a record for desktop computer speed at 5 1/2 gigahertz: http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13624 They used the new Intel motherboard ( X58 ) and the new Intel chip - the i7. The base model of the X58 with the i7 is currently available at Fry's for $ 600, so you too could start building a computer with the potential for having the fastest processing speed you have ever imagined. But why? What I need my computer to do is to make my life simpler.I need it to boot quicker, to never crash or lock up, to easily connect to any gadgets that I have, especially the printer and the scanner. I am not yet familiar with accessing the Internet before the computer boots. Anybody out there using this new feature? I want to be able to sit down at the computer and immediately start working on something without having to worry if I have the program for that task. Meaning it would be nice if things like AutoCAD and Photoshop, Games and Music were somehow already on my computer. I think that is where the Internet is going to fill a gap, but I haven't tried using on-line programs yet. I wish broadband access were not so expensive. It appears someone could inexpensively build a quad-core computer using AMD stuff, especially if you go with Linux. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but it would still be faster than what most people had 2 or 3 years ago. David Locklear Ref: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Review/127372,nehalem-intel-core-i7-extreme.aspx - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [ot_caving] computer news - Intel
Try 'Naked DSL' from ATT. I'm paying only $34 a month for access that usually tests downloading at about 2.5Mb/sec and uploads at 410 Kb/sec ( http://www.speedtest.net). I think Naked DSL is also available at about 800 Kb/sec for $18/ month (But then you'd probably not *even* be able to watch full screen HD streaming video). Oh yeah - using a quantum pre-fetch add-on appliance on the backplane of the golden idol power matrix, your applications can load before you even start the computer. Access is instantaneous, but due to temporal distortions, users of this device have complained of being revisited by puberty and dead relatives. It only costs 35 billion dollars, but since money doesnt actually exist beyond the quantum continuum - you can easily afford it, (but only if you don't wish for it or go on and on trying to gauge opinions of it by bystanders who couldn't possibly care less). Cheers! -WaV On Tue, Dec 2, 2008 at 8:56 PM, David dlocklea...@gmail.com wrote: According to this story today, computer geeks have broken a record for desktop computer speed at 5 1/2 gigahertz: http://usa.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=13624 They used the new Intel motherboard ( X58 ) and the new Intel chip - the i7. The base model of the X58 with the i7 is currently available at Fry's for $ 600, so you too could start building a computer with the potential for having the fastest processing speed you have ever imagined. But why? What I need my computer to do is to make my life simpler.I need it to boot quicker, to never crash or lock up, to easily connect to any gadgets that I have, especially the printer and the scanner. I am not yet familiar with accessing the Internet before the computer boots. Anybody out there using this new feature? I want to be able to sit down at the computer and immediately start working on something without having to worry if I have the program for that task. Meaning it would be nice if things like AutoCAD and Photoshop, Games and Music were somehow already on my computer. I think that is where the Internet is going to fill a gap, but I haven't tried using on-line programs yet. I wish broadband access were not so expensive. It appears someone could inexpensively build a quad-core computer using AMD stuff, especially if you go with Linux. It may not have all the bells and whistles, but it would still be faster than what most people had 2 or 3 years ago. David Locklear Ref: http://www.atomicmpc.com.au/Review/127372,nehalem-intel-core-i7-extreme.aspx - Give this to a friend: ot-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: ot-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: ot-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] book idea
Here is a book idea for a caver looking to for ideas on writing a book. Rizzoli Publications out of New York thru their Universe line of books is publishing books on a particular topic about the 1001 things you must do at it before you die. http://www.rizzoliusa.com/catalog/display.pperl?isbn=9780789313706 For example, 1001 Show Caves I must visit before I die or maybe, 1000 Caves I must explore before I die Or how about 1001 Cave critters I must see before I die I like, 1001 Speleothems I must see before I die David - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] book idea
On Tue, 2 Dec 2008 14:06:00 -0600 David dlocklea...@gmail.com writes: Here is a book idea for a caver looking to for ideas on writing a book. snip 1000 Caves I must explore before I die Or how about 1001 Cave critters I must see before I die I like, 1001 Speleothems I must see before I die David Perhaps these titles could be followed up by a book entitled: 1001 Caves Most Damaged by Cavers There are already enough places that have been loved to death by cavers. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIM2l2MYhhsUKEexxQOM7unWpHMcqrkCqjCBniI5aJ3MD/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
