[Texascavers] border crossing tip / travel tip
When you pay the bridge fee when crossing to and from Mexico, you need to save both paper receipts. This will speed the crossing, as it tells the guards exactly when you entered and left. If you tell them you lost them, well you might get searched. If you don't have a passport, you can still get back in the country, but you will spend lots of time in the customs office answering questions. The border guard told me that it is a federal law that you must have a passport when entering the country. ( But that isn't news ) Also, if you are in Nuevo Laredo and crossing back into Texas, it is best to drive 20 miles west to the crossing at Columbia.I saw no signs that said Columbia until I was nearly there, so just follow the signs that say to International Bridge number 3 ( which is a commercial bridge a few miles east of the Columbia Bridge. ) I did not see a single sign that said Solidarity Bridge or Puente Solidaridad, but I don't know if it is like that coming from the Bustamante side.I only saw 1 or 2 signs that said Puente Columbia, with no explanation as to what that meant. I am not sure why you would want to enter Nuevo Laredo. I just spent about 3 hours there, and that was 3 hours too many. Other related info, I bought 12.75 pesos for each dollar. In many places in the U.S. they do not accept bills larger than $ 20. So presume that the same principle applies down in Mexico. A 500 peso note, is almost $ 40, and most stores will not readily keep change handy to cash it. The large bills are fine for paying for a hotel bill, or a tank of gas or a group dinner, but not for small items. On a personal note: I plan to be in the Monterrey area over Thanksgiving. I hope to do a short day hike, but the rest will be spent visiting my wife's "familia." I don't know if my cell phones will be working, but feel free to keep my number if you are in the Monterrey area.281-995-8487 and 281-960-0687. I will try to check my e-mail daily while I am down there, too. David Locklear
[NMCAVER] SWR Winter Tech Announcementr
Carol, I'm attaching the announcement here. There is space on the 2nd page for you to add a mailing label. NM Caver, I am attaching a text document in case you can't download the pretty one. See you here (but not Bill) in December, Linda Starr Southwestern Region, National Speleological Society Winter Technical Meeting - December 5, 2009 Hosted by Sandia Grotto, Albuquerque, NM PLACE: Blake Jordans office at World Group Securities, Inc., 5600 Wyoming NE, Suite 20, Albuquerque, NM (see map below). How to get to the meeting and presentations: Take I-25 North toward Santa Fe (or coming from the North, youre there). Turn east at the San Mateo and Osuna exit and go South on San Mateo. Turn left (soon) on Academy; go East for several miles, and turn Right or South on Wyoming. Your first left turn takes you to a shopping center where WalMart, restaurants and other amenities await. Instead of going to WalMart (where RVs are welcome to camp overnight) and the amenities, turn Right, immediately behind the building on your right. Parking is above ground in the parking lot. Come to the building and head downstairs. Look for signs pointing the way ?SWR ?. Youve made it. Important Times:8:00 9:00 a.m.Registration & Welcome; Reserve your Dinner Place 9:00 10:00 a.m. Business Meeting (including election of officers and discussion regarding a 2013 New Mexico NSS Convention bid) 10:15 12 noon Presentations on New Mexico cave projects. 12 noon 1:00 p.m. Lunch (on your own) at any of many nearby restaurants - several within walking distance. 1:00 5:30 p.m.Presentations on Cave Science and New Mexico Exploration. 5:30 6:00 p.m.BREAK, Cleanup, general milling around. 6:00 7:00 p.m.DINNER, catered barbecue fare from Whole Hog; perhaps a little background music and cave slides 7:30 8:00 p.m.Keynote Speaker: Dwight Deal The Wulong Karst, China --a New Addition to the List of UNESCO World Heritage Sites 8:00 - ?? Caver Decadence one and all! You might find yourself crawling through chairs if youre not shy. A program and schedule of speakers will be provided at registration. Talks will include: the usual NM caving project reports, research updates, exploration, historical archeology, and international expeditions. Places to stay: (Contact these people who have offered beds and/or floor space call ahead for reservations first come, first serve.) Or you can stay with your favorite cavin pals. Robert Grubbs, 6115 Eubank Ave. NE, 505-385-7886, rksouthw...@yahoo.com, no animals. Linda Starr, 509 Aliso Dr. NE, 505-261-7648 (cell), or 505-255-6037 (home), lst...@hubwest.com (a gentle dog, 2 cats, no smoking and no TV). Aaron Birenboim & Sherie Pennebaker,1248 Princeton Dr. NE, 505-232-3289, she...@boim.com (2 dogs, cockatoos, cavies or guinea pigs). Liz Galbraith, East Mountains on South 337,505-453-4552, galbraithcons...@netzero.net , no pets Nathan Dale, University of NM area, 575-418-8443, nd...@unm.edu. There are a few hotels along San Mateo (probably pricey), and numerous chain motels along I-25 and I-40, enroute to the regional. We have a full page of restaurant recommendations in the area if you are coming Friday night, for Sunday morning and during the day on Saturday. ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
texascavers Digest 4 Nov 2009 02:55:15 -0000 Issue 881
texascavers Digest 4 Nov 2009 02:55:15 - Issue 881 Topics (messages 12496 through 12517): Maio Keng, China 12496 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net Re: Punkin in the news 12497 by: Louise Power 12498 by: Louise Power TSA Fall Meeting Minutes 12499 by: Denise P Re: Jim White statue to be unveiled at NCKRI : 12500 by: tbsamsel.verizon.net Server donation 12501 by: Charles Goldsmith 12508 by: Mark.Alman.l-3com.com 12510 by: George-Paul Richmann 12511 by: Charles Goldsmith Re: [NMCAVER] Hopsital stay 12502 by: Bill Bentley a place to live 12503 by: Gill Edigar San Saba power line 12504 by: caverarch.aol.com Chinese cave 12505 by: Mixon Bill UT Grotto - Wed Nov 4 12506 by: Gary Franklin ICS session photos 12507 by: philipmoss 500-m abseil 12509 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net rebelays 12512 by: Mixon Bill 12516 by: Mark Minton kids gear 12513 by: Ron Rutherford cubicle candy and Golondrinas Pit Rope 12514 by: Robert B Competition 12515 by: Ron Ralph Re: A word to the wise from TagNet 12517 by: caverarch.aol.com Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Here is an excerpt from an off-line communication I have had with Bill Mixon. It summarizes some things that might be of more general interest. The reference is DESCENT, # 194 Feb/Mar 2007, p. 30-32 --- We were not actually AT Maio Keng, but close. Besides, I’m long past even thinking about coming back up out of monsters like this. This cave almost (30 m short) connects to the Tianxing Dongxue Xitong (Tianxing Cave System), the deepest and fourth longest presently known in China (1020 m depth with 35,480 m total survey). Chances are good that they will make that connection in the future. You could actually rig this thing as a 491 plus (probably climb up and make it over 500 m) underground free drop. They typically use skinny ropes (because of the weight of larger tackle) so have a bit more stretch than we are used to. A whole bunch of rebellays makes a lot of sense on pitches like these. A neighbor (Da Keng -775 m depth with 4,273 m total survey) has a 519 m entrance drop, but it’s open to the surface and has numerous ledges, not that (that) makes much of a difference to me. We were in a large horizontal cave at the level of the bottom of Maio Keng. The horizontal passages are --- 30-50 m wide and a bit taller. So poorly decorated that you could actually see the bedrock stratigraphy in some places. You tend to get a little jaded caving here. Thanks. The SW Region has asked me to make a presentation at their Winter Technical Meeting in Albuquerque Dec 5, and I will shortly start putting together a presentation. I want to have my facts straight. DirtDoc --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Apparently if you're not a member of the Nittany Grotto, you can't get in to read their newsletters. From: ronra...@austin.rr.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com CC: espe...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:05:51 -0600 Subject: [Texascavers] Punkin in the news Cavers, There is an article about caving Punkin and Deep in the last issue of the Nittany Grotto News, Vol. 55 No. 2. The article can be accessed via the internet by going to www.caves.org/grotto/nittany and following the links. Use the following user name and password: “guest” and “exchange” The color photos are nice and the cave report informative. You wall also find other articles about the ICS and a photo of Jack Stellmack for you old-timers. You may also be amazed at the list of members who include 3 Texicans. The Texas Speleological Survey has copies of back issues of this newsletter plus a hundred more if you care to visit the office in Austin. Ron --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Well, as usual, I didn't read down far enough to get the id/password. Sorry. From: power_lou...@hotmail.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com CC: espe...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 10:21:44 -0800 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Punkin in the news Apparently if you're not a member of the Nittany Grotto, you can't get in to read their newsletters. From: ronra...@austin.rr.com To: Texascavers@texascavers.com CC: espe...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 10:05:51 -0600 Subject: [Texascavers] Punkin in the news Cavers, There is an article about caving Punkin and Deep in the last issue of the Nittany Grotto News, Vol. 55 No. 2. The article can be acce
[Texascavers] Fwd: A word to the wise from TagNet
I thought this item by an old Florida caver friend, Buford Pruitt, merited re-posting to our lists. Roger Moore GHG <<1) Walkie-talkies By: Buford Pruitt (McIntosh, Florida) I have tried in vain to convince my fellow cavers to use walkie-talkies on long rope in echoing or wet cave pit entrances ever since I encountered a group of cops and firemen from Florida and South Georgia doing so at Flowing Well. My thanks to Bruce Morgan and Jeff Cody for two stories in two days that amply demonstrate why cavers on rope should use waterproof walkie-talkies. In addition to their examples, I have a few more stories of my own and so do many of you. What will it take to convince US cavers to equip themselves to communicate competently with their comrades when they are in the most life-threatening parts of their caving adventures? Certainly, numerous cases of preventable hypothermia, delayed medical attention and even deaths have not and apparently will not do the trick. I think it will take a highly-respected BNC SRT TAG caver on a mission to accomplish this, and I am convinced that it will eventually be done. I really don't want to see my friends names in American Caving Accidents.>>
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
OH NO NO BLINKING PINK LETTERS PLEASE!!! --- On Tue, 11/3/09, Charles Goldsmith wrote: From: Charles Goldsmith Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation To: "George-Paul Richmann" Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com, "Cavetex" , memb...@netcavers.org, memb...@cowtowngrotto.org List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Tuesday, November 3, 2009, 10:26 AM My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every email with a big Thank you :) Charles
[NMCAVER] Pinon Cave
It was great sport reading about the Pinion Cave rediscovery efforts. Pity no one asked me, because I have a sketch map of how to find the cave in my files! I sent a photo from 1965 as an attachment to select members of SWR. Those that request off line can also get a copy. It is by Bob Ayre (currently living in Moriarty) and is in the old apple orchard on the way to the cave. DirtDoc ___ NMCAVER mailing list nmca...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/nmcaver_caver.net
[Texascavers] Re: rebelays
Bill Mixon said: >As for speeding up the ascent because several people can climb at once, I doubt it will be long before I hear of an accident caused by somebody dropping something on some sitting-duck climber below him in the shaft, rather than hiding well away from the falling-rock zone at the bottom. It is true that multiple climbers directly in a line is dangerous, but if one is rigging with multiple climbers in mind, then the route can deviate to the side a bit at each rebelay. Such a system avoids having people directly above the rebelays below them when climbing, removing the danger. Of course by the time one placed dozens of rebelays in a single pit the route would have deviated a lot, possibly spiraling all the way around back under itself! That's not a common problem, however. ;-) Mark Minton You may reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Competition
I suscribe to a UT events service and came across this Climbers meeting evidently this afternoon on campus before the grotto meeting. Has anyone ever attended this groups meetings? Ron The University of Texas at Austin What starts here changes the world ** OnCampus Events, a service of the Office of Public Affairs, is a gateway to the university community. It provides information to faculty and staff about events and activities taking place at The University of Texas at Austin each day. Information about the following day's events and activities are listed in this e-mail. Submissions must be received by noon, two business days prior to an event. ** LISTINGS for Wednesday, Nov. 4 Texas Rock Climbing Team holds first meeting of the year Description: The Texas Rock Climbing Team is a brand-new student organization created for any and all students interested in the sport of rock climbing. We welcome members of all experience levels, whether you're an expert on the rock or new to the sport. Our mission is to provide students with the means, support and community to meet their climbing needs in a way as affordable and enjoyable as possible. Time: 5:30-6:15 p.m. Location: MEZ 1.202 Admission: Free URL: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=49697092108
[Texascavers] cubicle candy and Golondrinas Pit Rope
for all you cubicle rats, you may divert your attention "for a moment only" to the following ebay item # 260498179770. Now get back to work. Who knows, maybe somebody really likes blue. I personally don't like the idea of ebay rope cause they could store a leaking lead acid battery in the same box and not care. Now to the real question. What is the usual method for procuring the required single length of rope for Golondrinas. I assume we just call our most trusted caving supplier (whoever we chose) and place a special order. Should we expect a slight discount over said suppliers normal cost per ft/meter for this type of purchase? Or would the cost be more for extra handling, weight, spool cost.
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
Not a problem George, paypal can be evil. I do what I can and the skills that I have. I'm glad that its appreciated and needed. Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:37 AM, George Veni wrote: > Charles, > > I'm glad you're nearly there. PayPal doesn't like me. I tried yesterday and > today to make a contribution, but it would never accept it for various > reasons I could never verify as true or fix. > > I appreciate all that you're doing for Texas Caving. > > George > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:27 AM > To: George-Paul Richmann > Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; > memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation > > My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For > $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every > email with a big Thank you :) > > Charles > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann > wrote: >> How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my >> free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to >> have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. >> >> Cheers, >> >> GP >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: >>> >>> Come on, y'all! >>> >>> >>> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than > anyone, >>> except for Locklear. >>> >>> >>> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by > him >>> and comes out of his own pocket. >>> >>> >>> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free >>> rein approach. >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >>> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM >>> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >>> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >>> >>> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >>> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >>> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >>> this. >>> >>> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >>> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >>> >>> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >>> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Charles >>> >>> - >>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> George-Paul Richmann >> (513) 490-3100 >> gprichm...@gmail.com >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
You can. 4051 Beltway Drive Apt 403 Addison, TX 75001 Thanks! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > > Can I mail you a check? My Paypal account is in a complicated state right > now. Better I don't touch it. > > > On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:34 -0600 wo...@justfamily.org wrote: >> My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For >> $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every >> email with a big Thank you :) >> >> Charles >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann >> wrote: >> > How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my >> > free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to >> > have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. >> > >> > Cheers, >> > >> > GP >> > >> > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: >> >> >> >> Come on, y'all! >> >> >> >> >> >> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than >> anyone, >> >> except for Locklear. >> >> >> >> >> >> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran >> by him >> >> and comes out of his own pocket. >> >> >> >> >> >> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free >> >> rein approach. >> >> >> >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >> >> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM >> >> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >> >> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >> >> >> >> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >> >> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >> >> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >> >> this. >> >> >> >> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >> >> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >> >> >> >> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >> >> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >> >> appreciated. >> >> >> >> Thank you >> >> Charles >> >> >> >> - >> >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > George-Paul Richmann >> > (513) 490-3100 >> > gprichm...@gmail.com >> > >> > - >> > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > >> > >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> > > > -- > Lyndon Tiu >
[Texascavers] kids gear
anyone out there have any kid sized (9 - 12 year olds) frog systems that their kids have outgrown that they may want to sell? Looking for 2 sets. Thanks -- Ron Rutherford
RE: [Texascavers] Server donation
Charles, I'm glad you're nearly there. PayPal doesn't like me. I tried yesterday and today to make a contribution, but it would never accept it for various reasons I could never verify as true or fix. I appreciate all that you're doing for Texas Caving. George -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:27 AM To: George-Paul Richmann Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every email with a big Thank you :) Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann wrote: > How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my > free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to > have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. > > Cheers, > > GP > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: >> >> Come on, y'all! >> >> >> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, >> except for Locklear. >> >> >> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him >> and comes out of his own pocket. >> >> >> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! >> >> >> >> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free >> rein approach. >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM >> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >> >> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >> this. >> >> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >> >> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >> appreciated. >> >> Thank you >> Charles >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > > > > -- > George-Paul Richmann > (513) 490-3100 > gprichm...@gmail.com > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
Can I mail you a check? My Paypal account is in a complicated state right now. Better I don't touch it. On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 10:26:34 -0600 wo...@justfamily.org wrote: > My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For > $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every > email with a big Thank you :) > > Charles > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann > wrote: > > How much do you need? � How much has been raised so far? �Where is my > > free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? � If we are going to > > have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. > > > > Cheers, > > > > GP > > > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, � wrote: > >> > >> Come on, y'all! > >> > >> > >> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than > anyone, > >> except for Locklear. > >> > >> > >> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran > by him > >> and comes out of his own pocket. > >> > >> > >> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles,�and for your free > >> rein approach. > >> > >> > >> Mark > >> > >> > >> > >> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > >> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM > >> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > >> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation > >> > >> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for.� I've > >> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > >> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > >> this. > >> > >> This is a one time request, at least this year :)� But seriously, you > >> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > >> > >> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > >> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link.� Any amount would be > >> appreciated. > >> > >> Thank you > >> Charles > >> > >> - > >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >> > >> > > > > > > > > -- > > George-Paul Richmann > > (513) 490-3100 > > gprichm...@gmail.com > > > > - > > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > -- Lyndon Tiu
[Texascavers] rebelays
I'm well aware of the arguments for rebelays. As far as safety is concerned, I can think of at least two fatal accidents caused by people screwing up at rebelays. Can anybody name a fatal accident caused by an American 11-mm caving rope breaking? I remain a fan of the "tie the rope to something and toss it down the pit" style. As for speeding up the ascent because several people can climb at once, I doubt it will be long before I hear of an accident caused by somebody dropping something on some sitting-duck climber below him in the shaft, rather than hiding well away from the falling-rock zone at the bottom. True, the 8-mm dental floss that the cavers use in the pit in China weighs a good bit less than an equal length of 11 mm, probably about half as much. But that pit isn't very far inside the cave. Passing one or two knots connecting reasonable lengths of 11 mm would be quicker and safer than passing 37 (!) rebelays on 8 mm. Some elaborate rigging is justified, especially in cases where the route will be used repeatedly during an expedition by cavers carrying loads. A lot of it, though, is a matter of religion. I've watched a bolt being placed halfway down a 15-meter pit that was bottomed by exactly one person, went nowhere, and will probably never be descended again before it erodes away. Basically, some people enjoy long free rappels, and other people enjoy doing fancy rigging. --Mixon When sharing a dish with the devil, use a long spoon. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
Well, for that donation, you can do that too :) On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Allan Cobb wrote: > OO!!! > > I DON'T WANT TO MODERATE, I WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE!! > > > - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" > > To: "Allan Cobb" > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:44 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation > > > Done! I may even put you in charge of the list ;) You can moderate. > > Wait, thats punishment, LOL > > Thanks for the laugh Allan > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Allan Cobb wrote: >> >> What do I get for my donation? ;-) >> >> What I want a free lifetime subscription to Texascavers list. Can you do >> that? For me? Please? >> >> Allan >> >> - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" >> >> To: "George-Paul Richmann" >> Cc: ; "Cavetex" ; >> ; >> Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:26 AM >> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation >> >> >> My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For >> $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every >> email with a big Thank you :) >> >> Charles >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann >> wrote: >>> >>> How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my >>> free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to >>> have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. >>> >>> Cheers, >>> >>> GP >>> >>> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: Come on, y'all! I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, except for Locklear. Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him and comes out of his own pocket. I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free rein approach. Mark From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> George-Paul Richmann >>> (513) 490-3100 >>> gprichm...@gmail.com >>> >>> - >>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>> >>> >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
OO!!! I DON'T WANT TO MODERATE, I WANT TO CAUSE TROUBLE!! - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: "Allan Cobb" Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:44 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation Done! I may even put you in charge of the list ;) You can moderate. Wait, thats punishment, LOL Thanks for the laugh Allan On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Allan Cobb wrote: What do I get for my donation? ;-) What I want a free lifetime subscription to Texascavers list. Can you do that? For me? Please? Allan - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: "George-Paul Richmann" Cc: ; "Cavetex" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every email with a big Thank you :) Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann wrote: How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. Cheers, GP On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: Come on, y'all! I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, except for Locklear. Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him and comes out of his own pocket. I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free rein approach. Mark From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 gprichm...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
Done! I may even put you in charge of the list ;) You can moderate. Wait, thats punishment, LOL Thanks for the laugh Allan On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:41 AM, Allan Cobb wrote: > What do I get for my donation? ;-) > > What I want a free lifetime subscription to Texascavers list. Can you do > that? For me? Please? > > Allan > > - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" > > To: "George-Paul Richmann" > Cc: ; "Cavetex" ; > ; > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:26 AM > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation > > > My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For > $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every > email with a big Thank you :) > > Charles > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann > wrote: >> >> How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my >> free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to >> have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. >> >> Cheers, >> >> GP >> >> On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: >>> >>> Come on, y'all! >>> >>> >>> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than >>> anyone, >>> except for Locklear. >>> >>> >>> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by >>> him >>> and comes out of his own pocket. >>> >>> >>> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! >>> >>> >>> >>> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free >>> rein approach. >>> >>> >>> Mark >>> >>> >>> >>> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >>> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM >>> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >>> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >>> >>> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >>> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >>> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >>> this. >>> >>> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >>> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >>> >>> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >>> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >>> appreciated. >>> >>> Thank you >>> Charles >>> >>> - >>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>> >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> George-Paul Richmann >> (513) 490-3100 >> gprichm...@gmail.com >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
What do I get for my donation? ;-) What I want a free lifetime subscription to Texascavers list. Can you do that? For me? Please? Allan - Original Message - From: "Charles Goldsmith" To: "George-Paul Richmann" Cc: ; "Cavetex" ; ; Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every email with a big Thank you :) Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann wrote: How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. Cheers, GP On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: Come on, y'all! I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, except for Locklear. Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him and comes out of his own pocket. I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free rein approach. Mark From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 gprichm...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
TCR has already donated that much, it is too much, but it will be used. Thank you Linda! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:32 AM, Linda Palit wrote: > We have several grottos and organizations about to give you $100 each. > That takes waiting for meetings, but it can happen within a week or so. > > Do you need more? We really are about to act, so let me know what you think > so I can pass the word to presidents and grotto chairs. > > Thanks, > Linda > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 AM > To: Linda Palit > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation > > I'm already really close to my goal, thanks to everyone so far. $10 > would be plenty :) > > My goal was 300. > > Thanks! > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Linda Palit wrote: >> Charles, >> How much do you need to raise. >> We really appreciate your work and generosity. A hint at the amount would >> help us see what we need to do from grottos and organizations. >> >> Thanks, >> Linda >> >> >> -Original Message- >> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >> Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM >> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >> >> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >> this. >> >> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >> >> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >> appreciated. >> >> Thank you >> Charles >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > >
RE: [Texascavers] Server donation
We have several grottos and organizations about to give you $100 each. That takes waiting for meetings, but it can happen within a week or so. Do you need more? We really are about to act, so let me know what you think so I can pass the word to presidents and grotto chairs. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 10:25 AM To: Linda Palit Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm already really close to my goal, thanks to everyone so far. $10 would be plenty :) My goal was 300. Thanks! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Linda Palit wrote: > Charles, > How much do you need to raise. > We really appreciate your work and generosity. A hint at the amount would > help us see what we need to do from grottos and organizations. > > Thanks, > Linda > > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM > To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation > > I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've > never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > this. > > This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you > won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > > If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > Charles > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
My goal is almost met, so any amount would be helpful, even $1. For $10 a month, I'll put your name in blinking pink letters on every email with a big Thank you :) Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:20 AM, George-Paul Richmann wrote: > How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my > free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to > have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. > > Cheers, > > GP > > On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: >> >> Come on, y'all! >> >> >> I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, >> except for Locklear. >> >> >> Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him >> and comes out of his own pocket. >> >> >> I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! >> >> >> >> Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free >> rein approach. >> >> >> Mark >> >> >> >> From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] >> Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM >> To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org >> Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation >> >> I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've >> never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal >> reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of >> this. >> >> This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you >> won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. >> >> If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at >> http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be >> appreciated. >> >> Thank you >> Charles >> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> > > > > -- > George-Paul Richmann > (513) 490-3100 > gprichm...@gmail.com > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
I'm already really close to my goal, thanks to everyone so far. $10 would be plenty :) My goal was 300. Thanks! On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Linda Palit wrote: > Charles, > How much do you need to raise. > We really appreciate your work and generosity. A hint at the amount would > help us see what we need to do from grottos and organizations. > > Thanks, > Linda > > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM > To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation > > I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've > never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > this. > > This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you > won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > > If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > Charles > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Server donation
How much do you need? How much has been raised so far? Where is my free gift for donating at the 10$ a month level? If we are going to have a fund raiser at least do it al la NPR. Cheers, GP On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 9:11 AM, wrote: > > Come on, y'all! > > > I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, > except for Locklear. > > > Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him > and comes out of his own pocket. > > > I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! > > > > Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free > rein approach. > > > Mark > > > > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM > To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation > > I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've > never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > this. > > This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you > won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > > If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > Charles > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > -- George-Paul Richmann (513) 490-3100 gprichm...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Server donation
Charles, How much do you need to raise. We really appreciate your work and generosity. A hint at the amount would help us see what we need to do from grottos and organizations. Thanks, Linda -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] 500-m abseil
Thanks, Bill, for the China update. >>>The lengths some people will go to to avoid a nice 491-meter free drop are >>>amazing. They have 37 rebelays in that shaft. TAG cavers would probably >>>bolt out a ways at the top to get a sporting free drop, instead of an >>>underground obstacle course. – Mixon< It’s partly a matter of philosophy, and part practicality. Are you interested in exploring a much virgin cave as possible in a remote and difficult area, or are you after a single gee-whiz descent? I can remember when rappelling was not a sport in itself, but rather something to be avoided if you could do so, from safety considerations. That’s not to deny my own sense of exhilaration and thrill on a Big One. Rope weight and volume is a significant consideration, not only inside the caves themselves, but just getting to the caves. Handling a single 500 meter rope can become a logistical nightmare. So in a practical sense, using several shorter ropes is a desirable idea for expedition caving. How many times do you really need a single rope that long? The answer is never, if you can get to a wall and set a bolt. Safety and speed are also improved using a number of rebelays, especially on exit after a long expedition. It’s nice to be able to rest without holding everyone else up. 1,500 feet is a long way to climb, even if you are using stairs and have no pack. DirtDoc
RE: [Cowtown] Server donation
Great, thanks -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Tuesday, November 03, 2009 9:41 AM To: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: Re: [Cowtown] Server donation Hold onto it, I'm going to try and make the next meeting. Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Patrick Wells wrote: > Charles, > Thank you so much for lending the grotto a copy of you movie for our > October program, it was very good. Would you like for me to mail you the > movie back to you, give it to you in person at the next meeting, drive > it back out to you? > > Thanks again, > Patrick wells > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM > To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: [Cowtown] Server donation > > I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've > never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > this. > > This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you > won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > > If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > Charles > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org > For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org > To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org > For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org > To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org
Re: [Cowtown] Server donation
Hold onto it, I'm going to try and make the next meeting. Charles On Tue, Nov 3, 2009 at 7:17 AM, Patrick Wells wrote: > Charles, > Thank you so much for lending the grotto a copy of you movie for our > October program, it was very good. Would you like for me to mail you the > movie back to you, give it to you in person at the next meeting, drive > it back out to you? > > Thanks again, > Patrick wells > > -Original Message- > From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] > Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM > To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Subject: [Cowtown] Server donation > > I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've > never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal > reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of > this. > > This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you > won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. > > If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at > http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be > appreciated. > > Thank you > Charles > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org > For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org > To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org > For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org > To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org > Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org > >
RE: [Texascavers] Server donation
Come on, y'all! I made a donation to Charles, as I've used/abused CaveTex more than anyone, except for Locklear. Let's all step up and help him out, as this valuable service is ran by him and comes out of his own pocket. I shudder to think what caving in Texas would be like without it! Thanks for running and maintaining this site, Charles, and for your free rein approach. Mark From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Mon 11/2/2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Texascavers] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] ICS session photos
I am putting together a slide show to show to my grotto (Meramec Valley) of the ICS. Unfortunately, no one that travelled with me took good photos of the sessions. The program, as it stands now, makes it look like a party, rather than the serious event that it was by day and I would like to balance that image. If anyone has a half dozen or so clear, digital photos of sessions that they would be willing to let me use, please reply off-line. Thank you. Philip L. Moss philipm...@juno.com Criminal Justice Degrees Start your criminal justice career. Earn your degree 100% online! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/c?cp=WE2Y8z64hmnbx2lsvQDMbwAAJ1DVBztsEY32apQvj1KtvBv_AAQFAMUgID8AAANSAAAQKAA= - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Cowtown] Server donation
Charles, Thank you so much for lending the grotto a copy of you movie for our October program, it was very good. Would you like for me to mail you the movie back to you, give it to you in person at the next meeting, drive it back out to you? Thanks again, Patrick wells -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: Monday, November 02, 2009 3:27 PM To: Cavetex; memb...@netcavers.org; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Subject: [Cowtown] Server donation I'm sending this email out to everyone I host sites/email for. I've never asked for donations to offset the costs, and for purely personal reasons, I want to do some minor upgrades to the server hosting all of this. This is a one time request, at least this year :) But seriously, you won't find me doing this very often, if I even do it again. If you appreciate the hosting, please go donate at http://texaslans.com and hit the paypal link. Any amount would be appreciated. Thank you Charles - To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: members-unsubscr...@cowtowngrotto.org For additional commands, e-mail: members-h...@cowtowngrotto.org To post to this list, e-mail: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org Check our website out at http://cowtowngrotto.org
