[Texascavers] speleo-art related
The video below was uploaded a few hours ago. The artist is demonstrating his speed at computer graphics. The final product at the end of the video appears to be a sea cave, or maybe a silhouette view of an entrance on a river. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZiDF8mE04 Mute the music and skip to the middle-part of the video, and click on full screen. If you don't have time for that go to 3:54 minutes into the video to watch the finish. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion!
Howdy y’all! It is only three short weeks until we all converge on Flat Creek near Johnson City for the 34th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion. For more information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. We have lots of fun and excitement on tap for the weekend. We have contests organized and vendors scheduled. We have LOTS of great prizes for the competitions and door prizes. Everyone who comes out is a winner but some of the lucky ones will leave with some great prizes! We’ve gotten a little rain but not nearly enough to alleviate the fire danger so we ask everyone to be very careful with fire. TCR recommends that every car have at least one dry chemical fire extinguisher. The fire extinguisher should have an A in its rating. This year, the Bexar Grotto has decided not to do a fundraising dinner on Friday night so y’all are on your own on that night. Saturday night we will have the Big Feed and Stephan and crew are planning some good eats for everyone. Please bring your own plate, utensils, and a mug. Sunday morning, from about 8 AM to 10 AM the TCMA will be hosting a fundraising breakfast. We invite everyone to come and have breakfast while helping TCMA get more caves. The TSA and TCMA will be having Members Meetings on Sunday morning. The TSA meeting starts at 8 and will next to where TCMA is offering breakfast so you can have breakfast and coffee while you hear all the exciting news from the TSA. Following the TSA meeting is the TCMA meeting at 9AM. You will have a chance to hear all that TCMA is up to and have a chance to meet the directors. See y’all there! Allan and Ellie
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
Please note that there will NOT be a CBSP Project in October. There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend. The Project Coordinators will be there, so you can still discuss digs and mapping projects and so on. The Project will start up at it's regularly scheduled time in November (11-13 Nov). If you feel you MUST get to CBSP sooner, come out and volunteer your help during the cave gating workshop next week. We will be building a new gate on Gorman Cave. Contact me to let me know so I can arrange meals and bunk space. Thanks! Jim Kennedy, TSA-CBSP Project Coordinator [feel free to distribute this amongst as many Texas cavers as possible]
RE: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
What if we weren't invited? 8^) (Is this an NSS or TSA event?!) (Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Mark From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:24 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October! There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend.
[SWR] FW: public meeting notes
See Jason's note below. Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. From: jaw...@fs.fed.us To: ken_harring...@hotmail.com Subject: public meeting notes Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:02:39 + Ken, Please forward: Lincoln National Forest is seeking public comment for improving its Cave Program. Guadalupe Ranger District recently held a public meeting in Carlsbad, NM. The notes and PowerPoint are now available for you to view and make additional comments. Text versions of the public meeting notes are attached to this email and a PowerPoint Show is available at www.fs.fed.us/r3/lincoln. To view the show, scroll down the main screen of the Lincoln National Forest homepage to the Spotlight section. There you will find a download link for the PowerPoint that may take a few minutes to load. Thank you for your interest and please send your comments to jaw...@fs.fed.us. Sincerely, Jason Walz Cave Specialist Lincoln National Forest (575) 885-7426 -office (575) 361-7759 -cell Lincoln National Forest Public Meeting 9-2011 Thank you for your interest in Lincoln National Forest (LNF). We invite your comments as we revise the Cave Program. Our program will become a unison of cavers, government rules, and protection for bats with your help. Please email your comments to Jason Walz jaw...@fs.fed.us Lincoln National Forest is open to limited recreational use with a cave permit. This is only possible within strict guidance from the Decontamination Procedures for Use on National Forest System Lands. paper issued July 21, 2010. Found here: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html Page 1 Forest Service personnel are expected to work with grottos and the general public to identify when and where cave entry should be allowed by the public. When official entry is necessary or allowable, ensure decontamination protocols are understood and followed. Lincoln National Forest has identified recreational use as an allowable cave entry with thorough decontamination. Page 4 In some situations in the west where caves are concentrated in a small area, Regions or Forests may identify logical decontamination areas that allow decontamination between cave clusters that are likely to be used by the same group of bats. Lincoln National Forest has identified one cave cluster located within Guadalupe Ranger District. The boundaries are HWY 137 and the southeast border of the USFS. Lincoln National Forest is emphasizing thorough decontamination before arriving, clean caving during a visit, and thorough decontamination when you leave the area. White Nose Syndrome (WNS) How can Lincoln National Forest prove that people are following decontamination procedures before they arrive to enter caves? Forest Service Comments This is a popular question that many people express cannot be done Idea: To require a signature on a WNS Agreement that clearly states the requirements and responsibilities of decontamination procedures Idea: To collect photo documentation of cavers completing decontamination procedures in a catalog. Idea: Sediment residue should be targeted. Cave gear that is obviously dirty contains sediment mixed with spores, microbes, etc. This sediment mixture is a real way of transference but has not been proven for WNS yet. Idea: LNF should question WNS compliance with the same vigilance they question new applicants for vertical experience. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Willing to sign WNS Agreement Photo documentation may not be needed or useful The biggest threat is from cavers from the east. WNS information should be mailed out and signatures received before a cave permit is issued. Trip leaders should be responsible for enforcing decontamination rules LNF should speak to every person before issuing cave permit Add check box to the permit acknowledging WNS compliance Targeted Cave Closure Forest Service Comments Lincoln National Forest is following the WNS Interagency Response Plan for NM. http://www.fws.gov/whitenosesyndrome/pdf/NMInteragencyResponsePlan110511.pdf All caves with more than 30 bats are closed to recreational use. Bat caves will remain closed until there is a revision to the Interagency Response Plan or there is a change in guidance from the USFS. Currently, Black, Little Beauty, Red Lake, Hell Below, Pink Panther, and Pink Dragon are open to recreational cave permit. Hell Below, Pink Panther and Pink Dragon require a Trip Leader. Idea: Lincoln National Forest is considering opening more recreational caves depending on significant bat use and other criteria. Three Fingers and Virgin have a route that is being considered. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Discussion about where a WNS sign should be placed to help enforce the closure of Cottonwood Cave. The cave entrance has a standard sign explaining the all caves
[Texascavers] Bill and Vickie's wedding
Clarification: I did NOT mean to imply that the wedding was open to all comers. My bad, and sorry for any confusion. If Bill and Vickie invited you, you know who you are. :-) -- Jim
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu... To: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org, tcrco...@texascavers.com tcrco...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] speleo-art related
The video below was uploaded a few hours ago. The artist is demonstrating his speed at computer graphics. The final product at the end of the video appears to be a sea cave, or maybe a silhouette view of an entrance on a river. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZiDF8mE04 Mute the music and skip to the middle-part of the video, and click on full screen. If you don't have time for that go to 3:54 minutes into the video to watch the finish. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion!
Howdy y’all! It is only three short weeks until we all converge on Flat Creek near Johnson City for the 34th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion. For more information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. We have lots of fun and excitement on tap for the weekend. We have contests organized and vendors scheduled. We have LOTS of great prizes for the competitions and door prizes. Everyone who comes out is a winner but some of the lucky ones will leave with some great prizes! We’ve gotten a little rain but not nearly enough to alleviate the fire danger so we ask everyone to be very careful with fire. TCR recommends that every car have at least one dry chemical fire extinguisher. The fire extinguisher should have an A in its rating. This year, the Bexar Grotto has decided not to do a fundraising dinner on Friday night so y’all are on your own on that night. Saturday night we will have the Big Feed and Stephan and crew are planning some good eats for everyone. Please bring your own plate, utensils, and a mug. Sunday morning, from about 8 AM to 10 AM the TCMA will be hosting a fundraising breakfast. We invite everyone to come and have breakfast while helping TCMA get more caves. The TSA and TCMA will be having Members Meetings on Sunday morning. The TSA meeting starts at 8 and will next to where TCMA is offering breakfast so you can have breakfast and coffee while you hear all the exciting news from the TSA. Following the TSA meeting is the TCMA meeting at 9AM. You will have a chance to hear all that TCMA is up to and have a chance to meet the directors. See y’all there! Allan and Ellie
[SWR] Texas Cavers Reunion
Howdy y’all! I would like to invite our friends and neighbors in New Mexico to come visit and join the fun at the Texas Cavers Reunion. It is only three short weeks until we all converge on Flat Creek near Johnson City for the 34th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion. For more information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. We have lots of fun and excitement on tap for the weekend. We have contests organized and vendors scheduled. We have LOTS of great prizes for the competitions and door prizes. Everyone who comes out is a winner but some of the lucky ones will leave with some great prizes! We’ve gotten a little rain but not nearly enough to alleviate the fire danger so we ask everyone to be very careful with fire. TCR recommends that every car have at least one dry chemical fire extinguisher. The fire extinguisher should have an A in its rating. This year, the Bexar Grotto has decided not to do a fundraising dinner on Friday night so y’all are on your own on that night. Saturday night we will have the Big Feed and Stefan and crew are planning some good eats for everyone. Please bring your own plate, utensils, and a mug. Sunday morning, from about 8 AM to 10 AM the TCMA will be hosting a fundraising breakfast. We invite everyone to come and have breakfast while helping TCMA get more caves. The TSA and TCMA will be having Members Meetings on Sunday morning. The TSA meeting starts at 8 and will next to where TCMA is offering breakfast so you can have breakfast and coffee while you hear all the exciting news from the TSA. Following the TSA meeting is the TCMA meeting at 9AM. You will have a chance to hear all that TCMA is up to and have a chance to meet the directors. See y’all there! Allan and Ellie___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
Please note that there will NOT be a CBSP Project in October. There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend. The Project Coordinators will be there, so you can still discuss digs and mapping projects and so on. The Project will start up at it's regularly scheduled time in November (11-13 Nov). If you feel you MUST get to CBSP sooner, come out and volunteer your help during the cave gating workshop next week. We will be building a new gate on Gorman Cave. Contact me to let me know so I can arrange meals and bunk space. Thanks! Jim Kennedy, TSA-CBSP Project Coordinator [feel free to distribute this amongst as many Texas cavers as possible]
RE: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
What if we weren't invited? 8^) (Is this an NSS or TSA event?!) (Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Mark From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:24 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October! There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend.
[SWR] FW: public meeting notes
See Jason's note below. Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. From: jaw...@fs.fed.us To: ken_harring...@hotmail.com Subject: public meeting notes List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:02:39 + Ken, Please forward: Lincoln National Forest is seeking public comment for improving its Cave Program. Guadalupe Ranger District recently held a public meeting in Carlsbad, NM. The notes and PowerPoint are now available for you to view and make additional comments. Text versions of the public meeting notes are attached to this email and a PowerPoint Show is available at www.fs.fed.us/r3/lincoln. To view the show, scroll down the main screen of the Lincoln National Forest homepage to the Spotlight section. There you will find a download link for the PowerPoint that may take a few minutes to load. Thank you for your interest and please send your comments to jaw...@fs.fed.us. Sincerely, Jason Walz Cave Specialist Lincoln National Forest (575) 885-7426 -office (575) 361-7759 -cell Lincoln National Forest Public Meeting 9-2011 Thank you for your interest in Lincoln National Forest (LNF). We invite your comments as we revise the Cave Program. Our program will become a unison of cavers, government rules, and protection for bats with your help. Please email your comments to Jason Walz jaw...@fs.fed.us Lincoln National Forest is open to limited recreational use with a cave permit. This is only possible within strict guidance from the Decontamination Procedures for Use on National Forest System Lands. paper issued July 21, 2010. Found here: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html Page 1 Forest Service personnel are expected to work with grottos and the general public to identify when and where cave entry should be allowed by the public. When official entry is necessary or allowable, ensure decontamination protocols are understood and followed. Lincoln National Forest has identified recreational use as an allowable cave entry with thorough decontamination. Page 4 In some situations in the west where caves are concentrated in a small area, Regions or Forests may identify logical decontamination areas that allow decontamination between cave clusters that are likely to be used by the same group of bats. Lincoln National Forest has identified one cave cluster located within Guadalupe Ranger District. The boundaries are HWY 137 and the southeast border of the USFS. Lincoln National Forest is emphasizing thorough decontamination before arriving, clean caving during a visit, and thorough decontamination when you leave the area. White Nose Syndrome (WNS) How can Lincoln National Forest prove that people are following decontamination procedures before they arrive to enter caves? Forest Service Comments This is a popular question that many people express cannot be done Idea: To require a signature on a WNS Agreement that clearly states the requirements and responsibilities of decontamination procedures Idea: To collect photo documentation of cavers completing decontamination procedures in a catalog. Idea: Sediment residue should be targeted. Cave gear that is obviously dirty contains sediment mixed with spores, microbes, etc. This sediment mixture is a real way of transference but has not been proven for WNS yet. Idea: LNF should question WNS compliance with the same vigilance they question new applicants for vertical experience. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Willing to sign WNS Agreement Photo documentation may not be needed or useful The biggest threat is from cavers from the east. WNS information should be mailed out and signatures received before a cave permit is issued. Trip leaders should be responsible for enforcing decontamination rules LNF should speak to every person before issuing cave permit Add check box to the permit acknowledging WNS compliance Targeted Cave Closure Forest Service Comments Lincoln National Forest is following the WNS Interagency Response Plan for NM. http://www.fws.gov/whitenosesyndrome/pdf/NMInteragencyResponsePlan110511.pdf All caves with more than 30 bats are closed to recreational use. Bat caves will remain closed until there is a revision to the Interagency Response Plan or there is a change in guidance from the USFS. Currently, Black, Little Beauty, Red Lake, Hell Below, Pink Panther, and Pink Dragon are open to recreational cave permit. Hell Below, Pink Panther and Pink Dragon require a Trip Leader. Idea: Lincoln National Forest is considering opening more recreational caves depending on significant bat use and other criteria. Three Fingers and Virgin have a route that is being considered. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Discussion about where a WNS sign should be placed to help enforce the closure of Cottonwood Cave. The cave entrance has a
[Texascavers] Bill and Vickie's wedding
Clarification: I did NOT mean to imply that the wedding was open to all comers. My bad, and sorry for any confusion. If Bill and Vickie invited you, you know who you are. :-) -- Jim
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu... To: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org, tcrco...@texascavers.com tcrco...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] speleo-art related
The video below was uploaded a few hours ago. The artist is demonstrating his speed at computer graphics. The final product at the end of the video appears to be a sea cave, or maybe a silhouette view of an entrance on a river. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8ZiDF8mE04 Mute the music and skip to the middle-part of the video, and click on full screen. If you don't have time for that go to 3:54 minutes into the video to watch the finish. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Texas Cavers Reunion!
Howdy y’all! It is only three short weeks until we all converge on Flat Creek near Johnson City for the 34th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion. For more information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. We have lots of fun and excitement on tap for the weekend. We have contests organized and vendors scheduled. We have LOTS of great prizes for the competitions and door prizes. Everyone who comes out is a winner but some of the lucky ones will leave with some great prizes! We’ve gotten a little rain but not nearly enough to alleviate the fire danger so we ask everyone to be very careful with fire. TCR recommends that every car have at least one dry chemical fire extinguisher. The fire extinguisher should have an A in its rating. This year, the Bexar Grotto has decided not to do a fundraising dinner on Friday night so y’all are on your own on that night. Saturday night we will have the Big Feed and Stephan and crew are planning some good eats for everyone. Please bring your own plate, utensils, and a mug. Sunday morning, from about 8 AM to 10 AM the TCMA will be hosting a fundraising breakfast. We invite everyone to come and have breakfast while helping TCMA get more caves. The TSA and TCMA will be having Members Meetings on Sunday morning. The TSA meeting starts at 8 and will next to where TCMA is offering breakfast so you can have breakfast and coffee while you hear all the exciting news from the TSA. Following the TSA meeting is the TCMA meeting at 9AM. You will have a chance to hear all that TCMA is up to and have a chance to meet the directors. See y’all there! Allan and Ellie
[SWR] Texas Cavers Reunion
Howdy y’all! I would like to invite our friends and neighbors in New Mexico to come visit and join the fun at the Texas Cavers Reunion. It is only three short weeks until we all converge on Flat Creek near Johnson City for the 34th Annual Texas Cavers Reunion. For more information and directions, visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. We have lots of fun and excitement on tap for the weekend. We have contests organized and vendors scheduled. We have LOTS of great prizes for the competitions and door prizes. Everyone who comes out is a winner but some of the lucky ones will leave with some great prizes! We’ve gotten a little rain but not nearly enough to alleviate the fire danger so we ask everyone to be very careful with fire. TCR recommends that every car have at least one dry chemical fire extinguisher. The fire extinguisher should have an A in its rating. This year, the Bexar Grotto has decided not to do a fundraising dinner on Friday night so y’all are on your own on that night. Saturday night we will have the Big Feed and Stefan and crew are planning some good eats for everyone. Please bring your own plate, utensils, and a mug. Sunday morning, from about 8 AM to 10 AM the TCMA will be hosting a fundraising breakfast. We invite everyone to come and have breakfast while helping TCMA get more caves. The TSA and TCMA will be having Members Meetings on Sunday morning. The TSA meeting starts at 8 and will next to where TCMA is offering breakfast so you can have breakfast and coffee while you hear all the exciting news from the TSA. Following the TSA meeting is the TCMA meeting at 9AM. You will have a chance to hear all that TCMA is up to and have a chance to meet the directors. See y’all there! Allan and Ellie___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[DFWgrotto] DFW Grotto Meeting Sept. 28
The DFW Grotto meeting is next Wednesday, Sept. 28, 6:45 p.m. at REI at 635 and Welch. This month we have a professionally produced caving video from Italy, L'Abisso (The Abyss): In the fall of 2004, Italian cavers discovered an impressive new branch in the Spluga della Preta Abyss, long known as the deepest cave in the world, and still the deepest in Italy. Grotto T-shirts: Around 15 people responded with size/color choices, so we're in pretty good shape now for a t-shirt order. I thought I'd wait until the day after the meeting to place the order. I'll try to bring color swatches to the meeting. See you there! Ed ___ DFWgrotto mailing list dfwgro...@dfwgrotto.org http://dfwgrotto.org/mailman/listinfo/dfwgrotto_dfwgrotto.org
[Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
Please note that there will NOT be a CBSP Project in October. There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend. The Project Coordinators will be there, so you can still discuss digs and mapping projects and so on. The Project will start up at it's regularly scheduled time in November (11-13 Nov). If you feel you MUST get to CBSP sooner, come out and volunteer your help during the cave gating workshop next week. We will be building a new gate on Gorman Cave. Contact me to let me know so I can arrange meals and bunk space. Thanks! Jim Kennedy, TSA-CBSP Project Coordinator [feel free to distribute this amongst as many Texas cavers as possible]
RE: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October!
What if we weren't invited? 8^) (Is this an NSS or TSA event?!) (Tongue planted firmly in cheek) Mark From: Jim Kennedy [mailto:jkenn...@batcon.org] Sent: Friday, September 23, 2011 11:24 AM To: CaveTex Subject: [Texascavers] NO CSBP project in October! There are just too many conflicts that weekend, most notably Bill Stone and Vicki Siegel's wedding reception. We urge you to attend that as an alternative to the regular caving weekend.
[SWR] FW: public meeting notes
See Jason's note below. Ken Life isn't about waiting for the storm to pass - It's about dancing in the rain. From: jaw...@fs.fed.us To: ken_harring...@hotmail.com Subject: public meeting notes List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2011 17:02:39 + Ken, Please forward: Lincoln National Forest is seeking public comment for improving its Cave Program. Guadalupe Ranger District recently held a public meeting in Carlsbad, NM. The notes and PowerPoint are now available for you to view and make additional comments. Text versions of the public meeting notes are attached to this email and a PowerPoint Show is available at www.fs.fed.us/r3/lincoln. To view the show, scroll down the main screen of the Lincoln National Forest homepage to the Spotlight section. There you will find a download link for the PowerPoint that may take a few minutes to load. Thank you for your interest and please send your comments to jaw...@fs.fed.us. Sincerely, Jason Walz Cave Specialist Lincoln National Forest (575) 885-7426 -office (575) 361-7759 -cell Lincoln National Forest Public Meeting 9-2011 Thank you for your interest in Lincoln National Forest (LNF). We invite your comments as we revise the Cave Program. Our program will become a unison of cavers, government rules, and protection for bats with your help. Please email your comments to Jason Walz jaw...@fs.fed.us Lincoln National Forest is open to limited recreational use with a cave permit. This is only possible within strict guidance from the Decontamination Procedures for Use on National Forest System Lands. paper issued July 21, 2010. Found here: http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html Page 1 Forest Service personnel are expected to work with grottos and the general public to identify when and where cave entry should be allowed by the public. When official entry is necessary or allowable, ensure decontamination protocols are understood and followed. Lincoln National Forest has identified recreational use as an allowable cave entry with thorough decontamination. Page 4 In some situations in the west where caves are concentrated in a small area, Regions or Forests may identify logical decontamination areas that allow decontamination between cave clusters that are likely to be used by the same group of bats. Lincoln National Forest has identified one cave cluster located within Guadalupe Ranger District. The boundaries are HWY 137 and the southeast border of the USFS. Lincoln National Forest is emphasizing thorough decontamination before arriving, clean caving during a visit, and thorough decontamination when you leave the area. White Nose Syndrome (WNS) How can Lincoln National Forest prove that people are following decontamination procedures before they arrive to enter caves? Forest Service Comments This is a popular question that many people express cannot be done Idea: To require a signature on a WNS Agreement that clearly states the requirements and responsibilities of decontamination procedures Idea: To collect photo documentation of cavers completing decontamination procedures in a catalog. Idea: Sediment residue should be targeted. Cave gear that is obviously dirty contains sediment mixed with spores, microbes, etc. This sediment mixture is a real way of transference but has not been proven for WNS yet. Idea: LNF should question WNS compliance with the same vigilance they question new applicants for vertical experience. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Willing to sign WNS Agreement Photo documentation may not be needed or useful The biggest threat is from cavers from the east. WNS information should be mailed out and signatures received before a cave permit is issued. Trip leaders should be responsible for enforcing decontamination rules LNF should speak to every person before issuing cave permit Add check box to the permit acknowledging WNS compliance Targeted Cave Closure Forest Service Comments Lincoln National Forest is following the WNS Interagency Response Plan for NM. http://www.fws.gov/whitenosesyndrome/pdf/NMInteragencyResponsePlan110511.pdf All caves with more than 30 bats are closed to recreational use. Bat caves will remain closed until there is a revision to the Interagency Response Plan or there is a change in guidance from the USFS. Currently, Black, Little Beauty, Red Lake, Hell Below, Pink Panther, and Pink Dragon are open to recreational cave permit. Hell Below, Pink Panther and Pink Dragon require a Trip Leader. Idea: Lincoln National Forest is considering opening more recreational caves depending on significant bat use and other criteria. Three Fingers and Virgin have a route that is being considered. Public Comments 9-13-2011 Discussion about where a WNS sign should be placed to help enforce the closure of Cottonwood Cave. The cave entrance has a
[Texascavers] Bill and Vickie's wedding
Clarification: I did NOT mean to imply that the wedding was open to all comers. My bad, and sorry for any confusion. If Bill and Vickie invited you, you know who you are. :-) -- Jim
Re: [tcrcooks] Menu...
Also shrimp is in season. What do u guys think about having boiled shrimp Sent from my HTC on the Now Network from Sprint! - Reply message - From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com Date: Wed, Sep 21, 2011 1:25 pm Subject: [tcrcooks] Menu... To: Heather Tucek trog...@cavechat.org, tcrco...@texascavers.com tcrco...@texascavers.com
