texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 -0000 Issue 1611
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 - Issue 1611 Topics (messages 20553 through 20561): Re: off topic - retirement 20553 by: Bill Walden Re: Oregon does too have significant cave life 20554 by: Louise Power Calling Mike Bradley 20555 by: Heather Tucek San Antonio bat question.. 20556 by: Ted Samsel that spider 20557 by: Sam Young Kiwi Sink dig 20558 by: Ernest Garza Looking for a new caving vehicle? 20559 by: Louise Power 20560 by: Ted Samsel 20561 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Logan, Congratulations on your retirement! I predict that within a year or perhaps two that you will be involved in volunteer work and projects to the extent that you will wonder how you ever found the time to have a real job! Enjoy your retirement. Bill Walden On 08/17/2012 01:56 PM, Logan McNatt wrote: I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012). If you have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts. They don't work anymore (like me, for now). I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come. It will be a mix of cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends. So here's the info: Saturday August 25th, 2012 5:30 to 11:30 p.m. Zilker Clubhouse west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rdcity=Austinstate=TXzipcode=78746 beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided potluck Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far. _Day 1_: Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. 5:30 a.m. woke up 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house; put tarp on roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th; _Day 2_ Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 9:00 a.m. woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle Onward Through the Fog, LowGun 4419 Clawson Rd Austin, TX 78745-1039 512-462-9581 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- It was even on local TV last nite. Robin Snider, the wildlife biologist who permitted the study, is a friend of mine in our office. She's on my bat information list for things on my e-mail list and other sites that may be of interest to local BLM and FS wildlifers. I was happy to read that they're keeping the cave names and locations a secret. Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:26:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com I heard another bit about this on BBC last night on my way to the Home Brewers meeting.. Ted On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, Calif Academy Of T August 17, 2012 By Paul Fattig Mail Tribune Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves south of Grants Pass. The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community. It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders, said Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford. It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area, added Neil Marchington, a deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking. Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, followed by live samples last year. We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology, said entomologist Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider expert at the California Academy of
[SWR] 3-D Panoramas
3-D Panoramas - by AirPano A bit off-topic, but there IS a cave association. I have seen a number of examples of this interesting technology over the last year, including from inside a couple of caves in Slovenia. Here is one of the karst towers in Ha Long Bay, Vietnam, where we were in December and will be again with a group of hydrologists and cavers in November. http://www.airpano.ru/files/Halong-Bay-Vietnam/2-2 Click on the screen, then on the upper right of the panorama of Ha Long Bay is a link to a panorama Inside The Cave : Hang Dau Go, a well-known tourist cave in one of the islands in the bay. They (apparently a bunch of Russians) have an interesting web site. Take a look at their home page from the above link. Of course, by traveling in this vicarious way, you miss all the joys of the smells, the tastes, and intestinal distress___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine. Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel. They all had hefty Dana transfer cases. So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio. At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned with an uncommon car that no one has. Also it was a car made in the US (and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding parts isn't too hard: Community site: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php -Justin (I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved. I'd probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a 1984 Mercedes-benz 300d) -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote: On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 -0000 Issue 1611
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 - Issue 1611 Topics (messages 20553 through 20561): Re: off topic - retirement 20553 by: Bill Walden Re: Oregon does too have significant cave life 20554 by: Louise Power Calling Mike Bradley 20555 by: Heather Tucek San Antonio bat question.. 20556 by: Ted Samsel that spider 20557 by: Sam Young Kiwi Sink dig 20558 by: Ernest Garza Looking for a new caving vehicle? 20559 by: Louise Power 20560 by: Ted Samsel 20561 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Logan, Congratulations on your retirement! I predict that within a year or perhaps two that you will be involved in volunteer work and projects to the extent that you will wonder how you ever found the time to have a real job! Enjoy your retirement. Bill Walden On 08/17/2012 01:56 PM, Logan McNatt wrote: I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012). If you have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts. They don't work anymore (like me, for now). I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come. It will be a mix of cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends. So here's the info: Saturday August 25th, 2012 5:30 to 11:30 p.m. Zilker Clubhouse west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rdcity=Austinstate=TXzipcode=78746 beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided potluck Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far. _Day 1_: Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. 5:30 a.m. woke up 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house; put tarp on roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th; _Day 2_ Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 9:00 a.m. woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle Onward Through the Fog, LowGun 4419 Clawson Rd Austin, TX 78745-1039 512-462-9581 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- It was even on local TV last nite. Robin Snider, the wildlife biologist who permitted the study, is a friend of mine in our office. She's on my bat information list for things on my e-mail list and other sites that may be of interest to local BLM and FS wildlifers. I was happy to read that they're keeping the cave names and locations a secret. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:26:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com I heard another bit about this on BBC last night on my way to the Home Brewers meeting.. Ted On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, Calif Academy Of T August 17, 2012 By Paul Fattig Mail Tribune Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves south of Grants Pass. The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community. It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders, said Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford. It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area, added Neil Marchington, a deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking. Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, followed by live samples last year. We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology, said entomologist Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider
[SWR] 3-D Panoramas
3-D Panoramas - by AirPano A bit off-topic, but there IS a cave association. I have seen a number of examples of this interesting technology over the last year, including from inside a couple of caves in Slovenia. Here is one of the karst towers in Ha Long Bay, Vietnam, where we were in December and will be again with a group of hydrologists and cavers in November. http://www.airpano.ru/files/Halong-Bay-Vietnam/2-2 Click on the screen, then on the upper right of the panorama of Ha Long Bay is a link to a panorama Inside The Cave : Hang Dau Go, a well-known tourist cave in one of the islands in the bay. They (apparently a bunch of Russians) have an interesting web site. Take a look at their home page from the above link. Of course, by traveling in this vicarious way, you miss all the joys of the smells, the tastes, and intestinal distress___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Fwd: Trogloraptor!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Keith Ortiz rko31...@yahoo.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Trogloraptor! To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu Remember to shake out your bedding when base-camping in Oregon. K -Original Message- From: sivtac Discussion List [mailto:siv...@listserv.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Conefrey Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:58 AM To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu Subject: Trogloraptor! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2189831/Meet-cave-robber--ent irely-new-family-spider-amateur-naturalists-cave-Oregon.html An entire new family? How cool is that? Mike C. = - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine. Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel. They all had hefty Dana transfer cases. So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio. At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned with an uncommon car that no one has. Also it was a car made in the US (and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding parts isn't too hard: Community site: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php -Justin (I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved. I'd probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a 1984 Mercedes-benz 300d) -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote: On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 -0000 Issue 1611
texascavers Digest 20 Aug 2012 15:00:16 - Issue 1611 Topics (messages 20553 through 20561): Re: off topic - retirement 20553 by: Bill Walden Re: Oregon does too have significant cave life 20554 by: Louise Power Calling Mike Bradley 20555 by: Heather Tucek San Antonio bat question.. 20556 by: Ted Samsel that spider 20557 by: Sam Young Kiwi Sink dig 20558 by: Ernest Garza Looking for a new caving vehicle? 20559 by: Louise Power 20560 by: Ted Samsel 20561 by: Don Cooper Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-subscr...@texascavers.com To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: texascavers-digest-unsubscr...@texascavers.com To post to the list, e-mail: texascavers@texascavers.com -- ---BeginMessage--- Logan, Congratulations on your retirement! I predict that within a year or perhaps two that you will be involved in volunteer work and projects to the extent that you will wonder how you ever found the time to have a real job! Enjoy your retirement. Bill Walden On 08/17/2012 01:56 PM, Logan McNatt wrote: I retired from Texas Parks and Wildlife Department on August 15th, after 18+ years of working there (1972-1976 part-time; 1996-2012). If you have my TPWD work email address and phone #, please be sure to delete them from your address book/contacts. They don't work anymore (like me, for now). I've sent evites to some of you for my retirement party, but know that I've missed a lot of you who will want to come. It will be a mix of cavers, archeologists, TPWD folks, and other friends. So here's the info: Saturday August 25th, 2012 5:30 to 11:30 p.m. Zilker Clubhouse west of Zilker Park and Loop 1/Mopac, off Rollingwood Drive http://www.mapquest.com/maps?address=200%20Zilker%20Clubhouse%20Rdcity=Austinstate=TXzipcode=78746 beer, music, fire-dancer, champion kite flyer provided potluck Here's how my new life of retirement is going so far. _Day 1_: Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. 5:30 a.m. woke up 6:00 a.m. to 12:00 midnight on computer and phone answering messages most of day; wash dishes; feeble attempts to clean house; put tarp on roof to last until roofers come on Aug 28th; _Day 2_ Calendar says SLEEP LATE, DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING 9:00 a.m. woke up, making rapid progress in adjusting to new lifestyle Onward Through the Fog, LowGun 4419 Clawson Rd Austin, TX 78745-1039 512-462-9581 ---End Message--- ---BeginMessage--- It was even on local TV last nite. Robin Snider, the wildlife biologist who permitted the study, is a friend of mine in our office. She's on my bat information list for things on my e-mail list and other sites that may be of interest to local BLM and FS wildlifers. I was happy to read that they're keeping the cave names and locations a secret. List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 06:26:42 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Oregon does too have significant cave life From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: power_lou...@hotmail.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com I heard another bit about this on BBC last night on my way to the Home Brewers meeting.. Ted On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 4:31 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Entirely new family of arachnids was discovered south of Grants Pass area A new family of spiders, called Trogloraptor marchingtoni, has been discovered in caves south of Grants Pass. They are about the size of a 50-cent piece. Photo courtesy Joel Ledford, California Academy of the SciencesJoel Ledford, Calif Academy Of T August 17, 2012 By Paul Fattig Mail Tribune Arachnophobes beware: A new family of spiders has been discovered in two caves south of Grants Pass. The new species of Josephine County cave-dwelling arachnid has been given the scientific moniker of Trogloraptor marchingtoni in honor of Neil Marchington, a self-taught biologist and spelunker who helped bring the caves and its eight-legged residents to the attention of the scientific community. It's exciting to be part of a whole new discovery of spiders, said Marchington, 31, of Bend, the son of retired Medford teachers Scott Marchington, now of La Pine, and Sally Marchington of Medford. It's remarkable, really amazing, to think you were in a group that discovered an undiscovered species in the Grants Pass area, added Neil Marchington, a deputy sheriff in Deschutes County when he isn't spelunking. Marchington is a member of the Western Cave Conservancy who, along with graduate student Tracy Audisio of San Francisco State University and others, helped bring attention to the spider. Dead specimens were collected in 2010, followed by live samples last year. We think this is a pretty historic moment in arachnology, said entomologist Charles Griswold, 61, an internationally known spider
[SWR] 3-D Panoramas
3-D Panoramas - by AirPano A bit off-topic, but there IS a cave association. I have seen a number of examples of this interesting technology over the last year, including from inside a couple of caves in Slovenia. Here is one of the karst towers in Ha Long Bay, Vietnam, where we were in December and will be again with a group of hydrologists and cavers in November. http://www.airpano.ru/files/Halong-Bay-Vietnam/2-2 Click on the screen, then on the upper right of the panorama of Ha Long Bay is a link to a panorama Inside The Cave : Hang Dau Go, a well-known tourist cave in one of the islands in the bay. They (apparently a bunch of Russians) have an interesting web site. Take a look at their home page from the above link. Of course, by traveling in this vicarious way, you miss all the joys of the smells, the tastes, and intestinal distress___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[Texascavers] Fwd: Trogloraptor!
-- Forwarded message -- From: Keith Ortiz rko31...@yahoo.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 9:39 AM Subject: Re: Trogloraptor! To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu Remember to shake out your bedding when base-camping in Oregon. K -Original Message- From: sivtac Discussion List [mailto:siv...@listserv.vt.edu] On Behalf Of Michael Conefrey Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 5:58 AM To: siv...@listserv.vt.edu Subject: Trogloraptor! http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2189831/Meet-cave-robber--ent irely-new-family-spider-amateur-naturalists-cave-Oregon.html An entire new family? How cool is that? Mike C. = - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.comwrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a new caving vehicle?
Oh, meant to say 1980 is desirable because it was the only year with the SD33T or turbocharged diesel engine. Also all diesel scouts were 4 wheel drive with the means to shift between 2 wheel and 4 wheel. They all had hefty Dana transfer cases. So if you see a 1980 diesel scout, you don't have to ask many questions about options other than automatic or manual transmission, and you may want to ask some questions about gear ratio. At any rate, there is an active community, so you wouldn't be abandoned with an uncommon car that no one has. Also it was a car made in the US (and the Nissan engine was a popular one in other applications), so finding parts isn't too hard: Community site: http://www.binderplanet.com/forums/index.php -Justin (I used to have 1978 gas powered scout in the 90s which I loved. I'd probably shop for one of these diesels myself if I didn't already have a 1984 Mercedes-benz 300d) -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 4:09 PM, Justin Haynes jus...@justinhaynes.comwrote: On a slightly more practical (depending on your definition of practical) note, if you can snatch up a diesel International Scout II between the years of 1976-1980, *especially* 1980. They will seem overpriced compared to Kelley blue book and for good reason. If they are in good condition they will last for 100s of thousands of miles. The Diesel engines in these cars were Nissans: - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6( diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diesel_engine) (naturally aspirated) - Nissan http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan SD33Thttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_SD_engine#Straight_6(turbo diesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turbo_diesel—1980 only) So why scout? They were built like tanks. Why diesel? I won't make the case for diesel here over gasoline though I do prefer diesel engines: Though Scout did a good job on their gasoline engines, all the parts around the engine went to the lowest bidder. so the distributor might have been from AMC and the alternator from some other cheap source that would break (likely shaken to death by the stiff suspension. :-) ). The diesels being from Nissan and being quite solid finding appplications also in industry, are very servicable and long lasting. And why don't you hear more about these wonderful vehicles? Only ~3 were made per year from 1976-1980, and only ~1 of them made in 1980, the last year of production. During that year, only a fraction were diesels. So in other words, they are disappearing. And if you can find one, you can have a very good caving vehicle for a reasonable price -Justin On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:00 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: At some level - they are very large phallus symbols. -WaV On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Ted Samsel t.b.sam...@gmail.com wrote: I feel so inadequate since my carbon footprint is so miniscule. Sob, whimper. snork Ted On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 9:56 PM, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: Try one of these: http://editorial.autos.msn.com/14-extreme-campers-built-for-off-roading?icid=autos_3335 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
