Re: [PBSS] December Meeting

[Lori Hales]

Kerry:
A caving trip in Feb. sounds good to me. Still trying to get ahold of Mike Gray 
and see if we can repair the ESS cave gate. Might do a scouting trip down to 
check out the repairs needed, or if we need to line up a welder, etc. Don't yet 
know when my days off are in Feb.
Like you, my weekends off are few and far between.
 
Later,
Lori
 


 From: Kerry Lowery 
To: "Ormsby, Matthew A" ; p...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PBSS] December Meeting
  

Sound as if it is gonna be hard to organize a party for Christmas.  
Lets plan a late winter / early spring caving party to Abyss, Ess or even Parks 
Ranch for the last weekend in Febuary.  Which coincidentally is the next 
available weekend off at this moment.  We could even bring gifts. 

Just my thoughts, chances are I wouldn’t be able to attend anything 
else. 

Y’all have a Merry Christmas. 

Kerry 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A  
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:36 PM 
To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net  
Subject: [PBSS] December Meeting 
 Cavers,  
  
There will not be a 
December Meeting of the PBSS. We are still trying to work out a Christmas Party 
but there were conflicts for many for this Saturday. We are looking at 
scheduling a party during the week next week sometime. I have not heard from 
many members so if you are interested in having a Christmas party next week, 
early in the week, please respond to this e-mail. 
  
Again, there will 
not be a meeting of the PBSS tomorrow.  
  
Have a great 
week. 
  
Matthew 
Ormsby 
PBSS 
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Re: [PBSS] December Meeting

[Lori Hales]

Kerry:
A caving trip in Feb. sounds good to me. Still trying to get ahold of Mike Gray 
and see if we can repair the ESS cave gate. Might do a scouting trip down to 
check out the repairs needed, or if we need to line up a welder, etc. Don't yet 
know when my days off are in Feb.
Like you, my weekends off are few and far between.
 
Later,
Lori
 


 From: Kerry Lowery 
To: "Ormsby, Matthew A" ; p...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PBSS] December Meeting
  

Sound as if it is gonna be hard to organize a party for Christmas.  
Lets plan a late winter / early spring caving party to Abyss, Ess or even Parks 
Ranch for the last weekend in Febuary.  Which coincidentally is the next 
available weekend off at this moment.  We could even bring gifts. 

Just my thoughts, chances are I wouldn’t be able to attend anything 
else. 

Y’all have a Merry Christmas. 

Kerry 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A  
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:36 PM 
To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net  
Subject: [PBSS] December Meeting 
 Cavers,  
  
There will not be a 
December Meeting of the PBSS. We are still trying to work out a Christmas Party 
but there were conflicts for many for this Saturday. We are looking at 
scheduling a party during the week next week sometime. I have not heard from 
many members so if you are interested in having a Christmas party next week, 
early in the week, please respond to this e-mail. 
  
Again, there will 
not be a meeting of the PBSS tomorrow.  
  
Have a great 
week. 
  
Matthew 
Ormsby 
PBSS 
President 
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Re: [PBSS] December Meeting

[Lori Hales]

Kerry:
A caving trip in Feb. sounds good to me. Still trying to get ahold of Mike Gray 
and see if we can repair the ESS cave gate. Might do a scouting trip down to 
check out the repairs needed, or if we need to line up a welder, etc. Don't yet 
know when my days off are in Feb.
Like you, my weekends off are few and far between.
 
Later,
Lori
 


 From: Kerry Lowery 
To: "Ormsby, Matthew A" ; p...@caver.net 
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [PBSS] December Meeting
  

Sound as if it is gonna be hard to organize a party for Christmas.  
Lets plan a late winter / early spring caving party to Abyss, Ess or even Parks 
Ranch for the last weekend in Febuary.  Which coincidentally is the next 
available weekend off at this moment.  We could even bring gifts. 

Just my thoughts, chances are I wouldn’t be able to attend anything 
else. 

Y’all have a Merry Christmas. 

Kerry 

From: Ormsby, Matthew A  
Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 4:36 PM 
To: p...@caver.net ; s...@caver.net  
Subject: [PBSS] December Meeting 
 Cavers,  
  
There will not be a 
December Meeting of the PBSS. We are still trying to work out a Christmas Party 
but there were conflicts for many for this Saturday. We are looking at 
scheduling a party during the week next week sometime. I have not heard from 
many members so if you are interested in having a Christmas party next week, 
early in the week, please respond to this e-mail. 
  
Again, there will 
not be a meeting of the PBSS tomorrow.  
  
Have a great 
week. 
  
Matthew 
Ormsby 
PBSS 
President 
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>
> On 12/12/2012 2:09 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
> > Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> > texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
> >
> > I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> > at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
> >
> > To confirm that you would like
> >
> > th-wh...@swbell.net
>

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   th-wh...@swbell.net

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
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Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

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to complete the transaction.

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please send a message to:



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On 12/12/2012 2:09 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
> th-wh...@swbell.net
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
> 
> texascavers-sc.1355342940.nbpnhlfhbkafcelmllel-th-white=swbell@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
> If

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   th-wh...@swbell.net

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1355343482.dmejafeigkjgpaeoljdf-th-white=swbell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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On 12/12/2012 2:09 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
> th-wh...@swbell.net
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
> 
> texascavers-sc.1355342940.nbpnhlfhbkafcelmllel-th-white=swbell@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens whe

CONFIRM subscribe to texascavers@texascavers.com

[texascavers-help]

Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.

I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.

I respectfully request your permission to add

   th-wh...@swbell.net

to the subscribers of the texascavers mailing list. This request
either came from you, or it has already been verified by
the potential subscriber.

To confirm, please send an empty reply to this address:

   
texascavers-tc.1355343482.dmejafeigkjgpaeoljdf-th-white=swbell@texascavers.com

Usually, this happens when you just hit the "reply" button.
If this does not work, simply copy the address and paste it into
the "To:" field of a new message.

If you don't approve, simply ignore this message.

Thank you for your help!


--- Administrative commands for the texascavers list ---

I can handle administrative requests automatically. Please
do not send them to the list address! Instead, send
your message to the correct command address:

For help and a description of available commands, send a message to:
   

To subscribe to the list, send a message to:
   

To remove your address from the list, just send a message to
the address in the ``List-Unsubscribe'' header of any list
message. If you haven't changed addresses since subscribing,
you can also send a message to:
   

For addition or removal of addresses, I'll send a confirmation
message to that address. When you receive it, simply reply to it
to complete the transaction.

If you need to get in touch with the human owner of this list,
please send a message to:



Please include a FORWARDED list message with ALL HEADERS intact
to make it easier to help you.

--- Enclosed is a copy of the request I received.

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Date: Wed, 12 Dec 2012 14:17:32 -0600
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On 12/12/2012 2:09 PM, texascavers-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
> Hi! This is the ezmlm program. I'm managing the
> texascavers@texascavers.com mailing list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at texascavers-ow...@texascavers.com.
>
> To confirm that you would like
>
> th-wh...@swbell.net
>
> added to the texascavers mailing list, please send
> an empty reply to this address:
>
> 
> texascavers-sc.1355342940.nbpnhlfhbkafcelmllel-th-white=swbell@texascavers.com
>
> Usually, this happens whe

[SWR] WNS Story Map

[Mark Minton]

Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which 
species are affected and 
where:  


Mark

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[SWR] WNS Story Map

[Mark Minton]

Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which 
species are affected and 
where:  


Mark

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[SWR] WNS Story Map

[Mark Minton]

Interesting web site showing the spread of WNS and which 
species are affected and 
where:  


Mark

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[Texascavers] greener lithium ion batteries coming?

[philipmoss]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/12/rose_madder_battery_matter/

I didn't know that lithium ion batteries contain cobalt or that they were
so difficult to recycle.

Philip Moss
philipm...@juno.com

Woman is 53 But Looks 25
Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c8992dc9002192d5ed5st02vuc

[Texascavers] greener lithium ion batteries coming?

[philipmoss]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/12/rose_madder_battery_matter/

I didn't know that lithium ion batteries contain cobalt or that they were
so difficult to recycle.

Philip Moss
philipm...@juno.com

Woman is 53 But Looks 25
Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c8992dc9002192d5ed5st02vuc

[Texascavers] greener lithium ion batteries coming?

[philipmoss]

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/12/12/rose_madder_battery_matter/

I didn't know that lithium ion batteries contain cobalt or that they were
so difficult to recycle.

Philip Moss
philipm...@juno.com

Woman is 53 But Looks 25
Mom reveals 1 simple wrinkle trick that has angered doctors...
http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/50c8992dc9002192d5ed5st02vuc

[Texascavers] FW: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards Aquifer Authority

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder of the Brown Bag Talk today (12/12/12) at high noon.

Geary


Subject: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards 
Aquifer Authority


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at Noon
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Caucus Room
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


Dr. George Veni, Executive Director of the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute in Carlsbad, New Mexico will be making a presentation titled: "The 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space"

The presentation will be held on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at high noon in 
the caucus room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or 
further information, the Authority may be contacted at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org. Note also that this 
talk will be in our new building.  While the address is still 1615 N. St. 
Mary's Street, you must enter the parking lot off of Camden or Quincy Street.

If you are traveling a long distance to the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist that morning to make sure that the talk is still 
scheduled at the number below.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel 
or move the talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thank you.

Geary Schindel
Director - Chief Technical Officer
Aquifer Science
Edwards Aquifer Authority
210.222.2204

Presentation Description

The National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space

by
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director

The U.S. Congress created the National Cave and Karst Research Institute 
(NCKRI) in 1998, in partnership with the State of New Mexico and the City of 
Carlsbad, and was mandated to conduct, support, facilitate, and promote 
programs in all aspects of cave and karst research, management, education, data 
archiving, and national and international collaborations. NCKRI is a non-profit 
corporation administered by the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. 
While many of NCKRI's early years were spent building a physical headquarters 
and administrative foundations, it has worked consistently toward its mandates 
at the local, national, and international level. The past couple of years have 
seen substantial growth in activities through a variety of projects that 
include:

 *   The Karst Information Portal: an open access international virtual cave 
and karst library.
 *   Designing state-of-the-art exhibits for NCKRI's National Cave and Karst 
Museum.
 *   Geophysical research on and to prevent collapse of anthropogenic sinkholes 
more than 100 m in diameter.
 *   Humanitarian project to alleviate karst-related flooding problems in 
Guatemala.
 *   Karst aquifer management workshops for educators and managers taught in 
Brazil, Mexico, Texas, and West Virginia.
 *   Nationwide evaluation of cave and karst research, management, and 
education programs at all U.S. National Parks containing caves and/or karst.
 *   Dye tracing in arid karst terrains.
 *   Hosting two national and three international conferences over the next 18 
months.
 *   Geomicrobiological research on the potential for extraterrestrial life.
 *
To learn about these and other NCKRI projects, and on how you might be able to 
partner with NCKRI, come to the lecture. If you can't make it, check out 
www.nckri.org.


Biography

Dr. Veni is an internationally recognized hydrogeologist specializing in caves 
and karst terrains. Prior to NCKRI, he owned and served as principal 
investigator of George Veni and Associates for more than 20 years in San 
Antonio. Much of his work has been in Texas, but he has also conducted 
extensive karst research throughout the United States and in several other 
countries. He presently serves as Vice President of Administration for the 
International Union of Speleology and has served as a doctoral committee 
advisor for geological, geographical, and biological dissertations for multiple 
universities and taught karst geoscience courses as an adjunct professor for 
Western Kentucky University for 12 years. Three cave-dwelling species have been 
named in his honor, including one causing some recent angst for the Texas 
Department of Transportation! He has published and presented nearly 170 papers, 
including four books, on hydrogeology, biology, and environmental management in 
karst terrains.

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

[Texascavers] FW: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards Aquifer Authority

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder of the Brown Bag Talk today (12/12/12) at high noon.

Geary


Subject: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards 
Aquifer Authority


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at Noon
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Caucus Room
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


Dr. George Veni, Executive Director of the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute in Carlsbad, New Mexico will be making a presentation titled: "The 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space"

The presentation will be held on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at high noon in 
the caucus room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or 
further information, the Authority may be contacted at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org. Note also that this 
talk will be in our new building.  While the address is still 1615 N. St. 
Mary's Street, you must enter the parking lot off of Camden or Quincy Street.

If you are traveling a long distance to the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist that morning to make sure that the talk is still 
scheduled at the number below.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel 
or move the talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thank you.

Geary Schindel
Director - Chief Technical Officer
Aquifer Science
Edwards Aquifer Authority
210.222.2204

Presentation Description

The National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space

by
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director

The U.S. Congress created the National Cave and Karst Research Institute 
(NCKRI) in 1998, in partnership with the State of New Mexico and the City of 
Carlsbad, and was mandated to conduct, support, facilitate, and promote 
programs in all aspects of cave and karst research, management, education, data 
archiving, and national and international collaborations. NCKRI is a non-profit 
corporation administered by the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. 
While many of NCKRI's early years were spent building a physical headquarters 
and administrative foundations, it has worked consistently toward its mandates 
at the local, national, and international level. The past couple of years have 
seen substantial growth in activities through a variety of projects that 
include:

 *   The Karst Information Portal: an open access international virtual cave 
and karst library.
 *   Designing state-of-the-art exhibits for NCKRI's National Cave and Karst 
Museum.
 *   Geophysical research on and to prevent collapse of anthropogenic sinkholes 
more than 100 m in diameter.
 *   Humanitarian project to alleviate karst-related flooding problems in 
Guatemala.
 *   Karst aquifer management workshops for educators and managers taught in 
Brazil, Mexico, Texas, and West Virginia.
 *   Nationwide evaluation of cave and karst research, management, and 
education programs at all U.S. National Parks containing caves and/or karst.
 *   Dye tracing in arid karst terrains.
 *   Hosting two national and three international conferences over the next 18 
months.
 *   Geomicrobiological research on the potential for extraterrestrial life.
 *
To learn about these and other NCKRI projects, and on how you might be able to 
partner with NCKRI, come to the lecture. If you can't make it, check out 
www.nckri.org.


Biography

Dr. Veni is an internationally recognized hydrogeologist specializing in caves 
and karst terrains. Prior to NCKRI, he owned and served as principal 
investigator of George Veni and Associates for more than 20 years in San 
Antonio. Much of his work has been in Texas, but he has also conducted 
extensive karst research throughout the United States and in several other 
countries. He presently serves as Vice President of Administration for the 
International Union of Speleology and has served as a doctoral committee 
advisor for geological, geographical, and biological dissertations for multiple 
universities and taught karst geoscience courses as an adjunct professor for 
Western Kentucky University for 12 years. Three cave-dwelling species have been 
named in his honor, including one causing some recent angst for the Texas 
Department of Transportation! He has published and presented nearly 170 papers, 
including four books, on hydrogeology, biology, and environmental management in 
karst terrains.

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

[Texascavers] FW: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards Aquifer Authority

[Geary Schindel]

Folks,

This is a reminder of the Brown Bag Talk today (12/12/12) at high noon.

Geary


Subject: George Veni to speak on Wednesday, December 12 at noon at Edwards 
Aquifer Authority


Edwards Aquifer Philosophical Society -

aka brown bag luncheon
Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at Noon
Edwards Aquifer Authority
Caucus Room
1615 N. St. Mary's Street, San Antonio, TX


Dr. George Veni, Executive Director of the National Cave and Karst Research 
Institute in Carlsbad, New Mexico will be making a presentation titled: "The 
National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space"

The presentation will be held on Wednesday, December 12, 2012 at high noon in 
the caucus room at the Edwards Aquifer Authority.  These are informal 
presentations so please feel free to bring your lunch.  For directions or 
further information, the Authority may be contacted at 210.222.2204 or 
www.edwardsaquifer.org. Note also that this 
talk will be in our new building.  While the address is still 1615 N. St. 
Mary's Street, you must enter the parking lot off of Camden or Quincy Street.

If you are traveling a long distance to the talk, I would recommend that you 
call our receptionist that morning to make sure that the talk is still 
scheduled at the number below.  On very rare occasions, we have had to cancel 
or move the talk.  I apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.

Thank you.

Geary Schindel
Director - Chief Technical Officer
Aquifer Science
Edwards Aquifer Authority
210.222.2204

Presentation Description

The National Cave and Karst Research Institute:
>From Inner Space to Outer Space

by
George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director

The U.S. Congress created the National Cave and Karst Research Institute 
(NCKRI) in 1998, in partnership with the State of New Mexico and the City of 
Carlsbad, and was mandated to conduct, support, facilitate, and promote 
programs in all aspects of cave and karst research, management, education, data 
archiving, and national and international collaborations. NCKRI is a non-profit 
corporation administered by the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology. 
While many of NCKRI's early years were spent building a physical headquarters 
and administrative foundations, it has worked consistently toward its mandates 
at the local, national, and international level. The past couple of years have 
seen substantial growth in activities through a variety of projects that 
include:

 *   The Karst Information Portal: an open access international virtual cave 
and karst library.
 *   Designing state-of-the-art exhibits for NCKRI's National Cave and Karst 
Museum.
 *   Geophysical research on and to prevent collapse of anthropogenic sinkholes 
more than 100 m in diameter.
 *   Humanitarian project to alleviate karst-related flooding problems in 
Guatemala.
 *   Karst aquifer management workshops for educators and managers taught in 
Brazil, Mexico, Texas, and West Virginia.
 *   Nationwide evaluation of cave and karst research, management, and 
education programs at all U.S. National Parks containing caves and/or karst.
 *   Dye tracing in arid karst terrains.
 *   Hosting two national and three international conferences over the next 18 
months.
 *   Geomicrobiological research on the potential for extraterrestrial life.
 *
To learn about these and other NCKRI projects, and on how you might be able to 
partner with NCKRI, come to the lecture. If you can't make it, check out 
www.nckri.org.


Biography

Dr. Veni is an internationally recognized hydrogeologist specializing in caves 
and karst terrains. Prior to NCKRI, he owned and served as principal 
investigator of George Veni and Associates for more than 20 years in San 
Antonio. Much of his work has been in Texas, but he has also conducted 
extensive karst research throughout the United States and in several other 
countries. He presently serves as Vice President of Administration for the 
International Union of Speleology and has served as a doctoral committee 
advisor for geological, geographical, and biological dissertations for multiple 
universities and taught karst geoscience courses as an adjunct professor for 
Western Kentucky University for 12 years. Three cave-dwelling species have been 
named in his honor, including one causing some recent angst for the Texas 
Department of Transportation! He has published and presented nearly 170 papers, 
including four books, on hydrogeology, biology, and environmental management in 
karst terrains.

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215  USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 -0000 Issue 1679

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texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 - Issue 1679

Topics (messages 21134 through 21142):

Re: Crystal Skull Lawsuit
21134 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
21135 by: Bill Steele
21136 by: BMorgan994.aol.com

KIWI SINK Dig Report for Sunday 9 December 2012
21137 by: Gill Edigar

Re: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas
21138 by: Mixon Bill

WNS
21139 by: Josh Rubinstein

TSS work session tomorrow
21140 by: Ron Ralph

Research on stricken bats may help AIDS fight
21141 by: Mixon Bill

Webinar Invitation: Join us for "The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves"
21142 by: Geary Schindel

Administrivia:

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:


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--- Begin Message ---

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I'm an IU alumnus. Go Hoosiers! 

Bill

Sent by iPhone

On Dec 9, 2012, at 5:39 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---



Crazier and crazier.  
And to  think that I have often been criticized by fellow cavers for 
entering caves in  Belize without the permission of the Department of  
Archeology! 
By the way,  if you want to see a real crystal(ized) skull I recommend the 
one in the Grutas  de Juxtlahuaca. 
Sleaze
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
KIWI SINK Dig report for Sunday 9 December 2012--Terry and I pulled
one large rock out on Saturday afternoon to  make sure everything was
working right. Then Sunday morning we, which now included Ernie,
pulled about another 8 rocks out, some two at a time. By the time that
was done the winch was hot and most everybody else had shown up. Our
concentration of energy was to get the floor lowered so we could focus
on digging down the side-wall of the cave at a later date to find
going passage. One crawl way dig to the north is still fairly low
difficult of access. Once the floor level is lower we can start
pushing that lead in more earnest. With 5 or 6 people working in the
hole 6 barrels were rapidly filled and the winch truck called for. It
was lunch time anyway. The winch managed to lift all 6 barrels out
before it needed another rest. John Schneider showed up about the time
the hauling was completed. All the others took their leave and John
and I filled 2-1/2 more barrels and unearthed a few more rocks in the
doing it, calling it quits at 3 o'clock. The barrels did not get
hoisted, however. We'll try to get that done this week, along with
some rocks.
The next dig is scheduled for the 23rd December but I probably
won't be there. Anybody wanting to go fill the barrels is welcomed to.
Be careful to not dig the supports out from under any overhead
rocks--please. After that, if my calculations are correct, 6 January
will be our next opportunity.
Totals were: 8-1/2 barrels filled and about 8 rocks hoisted.

Those Present were:   A contingent of
Gluesenkamps showed
Don Broussardup and distracted the
winch operator.
Gill Ediger   Ruby, Jack, & Andy
Ernie Garza
John Kemner (Don's friend)
Terry Raines
Ron Rutherford
John Schneider
Rick Toms (Don's friend)
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Actually, I haven't seen it. But if anyone has recently, can he answer  
Dave's question? -- Mixon


Begin forwarded message:

From: "DAVID WHITACRE" 
Date: December 11, 2012 11:07:51 AM CST
To: 
Subject: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas

Hi Bill,
I wonder if you know who could answer this question for me:

I studied the mexican cave-dwelling swifts for my dissertation (at  
Golondrinas, etc.), and one of my main study colonies was at the  
popular tourist attraction El Aguacero, near Ocozocuatla, Chiapas.  
You've probably been there--it's a waterfall along the Rio La Venta.


My question is whether there is still a swift colony there. I've  
pulled up a lot of photos of El Aguacero from the web, and none of  
them show any swifts flying around, and I don't get any web hits  
searching on the appropriate wording either.


Any clues as to who has been there recently would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Dave Whitacre


A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-on-stricken-bats-may-h

texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 -0000 Issue 1679

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 - Issue 1679

Topics (messages 21134 through 21142):

Re: Crystal Skull Lawsuit
21134 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
21135 by: Bill Steele
21136 by: BMorgan994.aol.com

KIWI SINK Dig Report for Sunday 9 December 2012
21137 by: Gill Edigar

Re: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas
21138 by: Mixon Bill

WNS
21139 by: Josh Rubinstein

TSS work session tomorrow
21140 by: Ron Ralph

Research on stricken bats may help AIDS fight
21141 by: Mixon Bill

Webinar Invitation: Join us for "The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves"
21142 by: Geary Schindel

Administrivia:

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:


To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:


To post to the list, e-mail:



--
--- Begin Message ---

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I'm an IU alumnus. Go Hoosiers! 

Bill

Sent by iPhone

On Dec 9, 2012, at 5:39 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---



Crazier and crazier.  
And to  think that I have often been criticized by fellow cavers for 
entering caves in  Belize without the permission of the Department of  
Archeology! 
By the way,  if you want to see a real crystal(ized) skull I recommend the 
one in the Grutas  de Juxtlahuaca. 
Sleaze
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
KIWI SINK Dig report for Sunday 9 December 2012--Terry and I pulled
one large rock out on Saturday afternoon to  make sure everything was
working right. Then Sunday morning we, which now included Ernie,
pulled about another 8 rocks out, some two at a time. By the time that
was done the winch was hot and most everybody else had shown up. Our
concentration of energy was to get the floor lowered so we could focus
on digging down the side-wall of the cave at a later date to find
going passage. One crawl way dig to the north is still fairly low
difficult of access. Once the floor level is lower we can start
pushing that lead in more earnest. With 5 or 6 people working in the
hole 6 barrels were rapidly filled and the winch truck called for. It
was lunch time anyway. The winch managed to lift all 6 barrels out
before it needed another rest. John Schneider showed up about the time
the hauling was completed. All the others took their leave and John
and I filled 2-1/2 more barrels and unearthed a few more rocks in the
doing it, calling it quits at 3 o'clock. The barrels did not get
hoisted, however. We'll try to get that done this week, along with
some rocks.
The next dig is scheduled for the 23rd December but I probably
won't be there. Anybody wanting to go fill the barrels is welcomed to.
Be careful to not dig the supports out from under any overhead
rocks--please. After that, if my calculations are correct, 6 January
will be our next opportunity.
Totals were: 8-1/2 barrels filled and about 8 rocks hoisted.

Those Present were:   A contingent of
Gluesenkamps showed
Don Broussardup and distracted the
winch operator.
Gill Ediger   Ruby, Jack, & Andy
Ernie Garza
John Kemner (Don's friend)
Terry Raines
Ron Rutherford
John Schneider
Rick Toms (Don's friend)
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Actually, I haven't seen it. But if anyone has recently, can he answer  
Dave's question? -- Mixon


Begin forwarded message:

From: "DAVID WHITACRE" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: December 11, 2012 11:07:51 AM CST
To: 
Subject: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas

Hi Bill,
I wonder if you know who could answer this question for me:

I studied the mexican cave-dwelling swifts for my dissertation (at  
Golondrinas, etc.), and one of my main study colonies was at the  
popular tourist attraction El Aguacero, near Ocozocuatla, Chiapas.  
You've probably been there--it's a waterfall along the Rio La Venta.


My question is whether there is still a swift colony there. I've  
pulled up a lot of photos of El Aguacero from the web, and none of  
them show any swifts flying around, and I don't get any web hits  
searching on the appropriate wording either.


Any clues as to who has been there recently would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Dave Whitacre


A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org

--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-

texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 -0000 Issue 1679

[texascavers-digest-help]

texascavers Digest 12 Dec 2012 13:56:47 - Issue 1679

Topics (messages 21134 through 21142):

Re: Crystal Skull Lawsuit
21134 by: dirtdoc.comcast.net
21135 by: Bill Steele
21136 by: BMorgan994.aol.com

KIWI SINK Dig Report for Sunday 9 December 2012
21137 by: Gill Edigar

Re: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas
21138 by: Mixon Bill

WNS
21139 by: Josh Rubinstein

TSS work session tomorrow
21140 by: Ron Ralph

Research on stricken bats may help AIDS fight
21141 by: Mixon Bill

Webinar Invitation: Join us for "The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves"
21142 by: Geary Schindel

Administrivia:

To subscribe to the digest, e-mail:


To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail:


To post to the list, e-mail:



--
--- Begin Message ---

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
I'm an IU alumnus. Go Hoosiers! 

Bill

Sent by iPhone

On Dec 9, 2012, at 5:39 PM, dirt...@comcast.net wrote:

PS - 7 PM tonight in Denver - Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull - End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---



Crazier and crazier.  
And to  think that I have often been criticized by fellow cavers for 
entering caves in  Belize without the permission of the Department of  
Archeology! 
By the way,  if you want to see a real crystal(ized) skull I recommend the 
one in the Grutas  de Juxtlahuaca. 
Sleaze
--- End Message ---
--- Begin Message ---
KIWI SINK Dig report for Sunday 9 December 2012--Terry and I pulled
one large rock out on Saturday afternoon to  make sure everything was
working right. Then Sunday morning we, which now included Ernie,
pulled about another 8 rocks out, some two at a time. By the time that
was done the winch was hot and most everybody else had shown up. Our
concentration of energy was to get the floor lowered so we could focus
on digging down the side-wall of the cave at a later date to find
going passage. One crawl way dig to the north is still fairly low
difficult of access. Once the floor level is lower we can start
pushing that lead in more earnest. With 5 or 6 people working in the
hole 6 barrels were rapidly filled and the winch truck called for. It
was lunch time anyway. The winch managed to lift all 6 barrels out
before it needed another rest. John Schneider showed up about the time
the hauling was completed. All the others took their leave and John
and I filled 2-1/2 more barrels and unearthed a few more rocks in the
doing it, calling it quits at 3 o'clock. The barrels did not get
hoisted, however. We'll try to get that done this week, along with
some rocks.
The next dig is scheduled for the 23rd December but I probably
won't be there. Anybody wanting to go fill the barrels is welcomed to.
Be careful to not dig the supports out from under any overhead
rocks--please. After that, if my calculations are correct, 6 January
will be our next opportunity.
Totals were: 8-1/2 barrels filled and about 8 rocks hoisted.

Those Present were:   A contingent of
Gluesenkamps showed
Don Broussardup and distracted the
winch operator.
Gill Ediger   Ruby, Jack, & Andy
Ernie Garza
John Kemner (Don's friend)
Terry Raines
Ron Rutherford
John Schneider
Rick Toms (Don's friend)
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Actually, I haven't seen it. But if anyone has recently, can he answer  
Dave's question? -- Mixon


Begin forwarded message:

From: "DAVID WHITACRE" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: December 11, 2012 11:07:51 AM CST
To: 
Subject: Question about swifts at El Aguacero, Chiapas

Hi Bill,
I wonder if you know who could answer this question for me:

I studied the mexican cave-dwelling swifts for my dissertation (at  
Golondrinas, etc.), and one of my main study colonies was at the  
popular tourist attraction El Aguacero, near Ocozocuatla, Chiapas.  
You've probably been there--it's a waterfall along the Rio La Venta.


My question is whether there is still a swift colony there. I've  
pulled up a lot of photos of El Aguacero from the web, and none of  
them show any swifts flying around, and I don't get any web hits  
searching on the appropriate wording either.


Any clues as to who has been there recently would be very helpful.

Thanks,
Dave Whitacre


A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

You may "reply" to the address this message
came from, but for long-term use, save:
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Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-

[Texascavers] Webinar Invitation: Join us for "The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves"

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forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
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Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
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recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
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Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the biology and 
archaeology of Rapanui caves.
The natural and cultural history of caves has received little attention on 
Easter Island (known to Polynesians as “Rapa Nui”).  Given the long history of 
forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
vastly different from what the first Polynesian settlers observed upon arrival 
circa 1200 CE.

Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
either endemic or colonized the island without man’s assistance; however, our 
recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
biology and archaeology of Rapanui caves.



Title:

The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves

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Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the biology and 
archaeology of Rapanui caves.
The natural and cultural history of caves has received little attention on 
Easter Island (known to Polynesians as “Rapa Nui”).  Given the long history of 
forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
vastly different from what the first Polynesian settlers observed upon arrival 
circa 1200 CE.

Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
either endemic or colonized the island without man’s assistance; however, our 
recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
biology and archaeology of Rapanui caves.



Title:

The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves

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[Jacqueline Thomas]

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> 
> Please remove text above this line.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Join us for a Webinar on January 10
> 
>  Space is limited Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
> https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/353722487
> This presentation will discuss our current findings, interpretations, and 
> future directions for cave research and conservation on “Te Pito o Te Henua” 
> (or Navel of the World). 
> Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the biology and 
> archaeology of Rapanui caves. 
> The natural and cultural history of caves has received little attention on 
> Easter Island (known to Polynesians as “Rapa Nui”).  Given the long history 
> of forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
> vastly different from what the first Polynesian settlers observed upon 
> arrival circa 1200 CE.  
>  
> Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
> either endemic or colonized the island without man’s assistance; however, our 
> recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
> organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
> explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
> remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
> Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
> contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
> biology and archaeology of Rapanui caves.
>  
> Title:The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
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[Jacqueline Thomas]

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> 
> Please remove text above this line.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Join us for a Webinar on January 10
> 
>  Space is limited Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
> https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/353722487
> This presentation will discuss our current findings, interpretations, and 
> future directions for cave research and conservation on “Te Pito o Te Henua” 
> (or Navel of the World). 
> Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the biology and 
> archaeology of Rapanui caves. 
> The natural and cultural history of caves has received little attention on 
> Easter Island (known to Polynesians as “Rapa Nui”).  Given the long history 
> of forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
> vastly different from what the first Polynesian settlers observed upon 
> arrival circa 1200 CE.  
>  
> Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
> either endemic or colonized the island without man’s assistance; however, our 
> recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
> organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
> explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
> remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
> Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
> contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
> biology and archaeology of Rapanui caves.
>  
> Title:The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
> Time: 8:00 PM - 9:30 PM CST (Which is 9PM EST/ 7PM MST/ 6PM PST) Please check 
> your time zone
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[Jacqueline Thomas]

Caves on Easter Island? Yikes! Jacqui


> 
> Please remove text above this line.
> 
> 
>   
> 
> The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Join us for a Webinar on January 10
> 
>  Space is limited Reserve your Webinar seat now at:
> https://www4.gotomeeting.com/register/353722487
> This presentation will discuss our current findings, interpretations, and 
> future directions for cave research and conservation on “Te Pito o Te Henua” 
> (or Navel of the World). 
> Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the biology and 
> archaeology of Rapanui caves. 
> The natural and cultural history of caves has received little attention on 
> Easter Island (known to Polynesians as “Rapa Nui”).  Given the long history 
> of forest conversion and other intensive human uses, the current landscape is 
> vastly different from what the first Polynesian settlers observed upon 
> arrival circa 1200 CE.  
>  
> Today, less than four percent of the over 400 known arthropod species are 
> either endemic or colonized the island without man’s assistance; however, our 
> recent discoveries of several new arthropod species suggest some of these 
> organisms may be relicts of ancient native ecosystems.  Although early 
> explorers and missionaries encouraged the Rapanui people to search for and 
> remove artifacts from their caves (many are curated in Museo Antropológico 
> Padre Sebastián Englert), vestiges of extensive human use prior to European 
> contact remain. Our efforts represent the first study to investigate both the 
> biology and archaeology of Rapanui caves.
>  
> Title:The Mysteries of Easter Island Caves
> Date: Thursday, January 10, 2013
> Time: 8:00 PM - 9:30 PM CST (Which is 9PM EST/ 7PM MST/ 6PM PST) Please check 
> your time zone
> After registering you will receive a confirmation email containing 
> information about joining the Webinar.
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> 
> 
> 
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> Attachment(s) from Matt Bowers
> 1 of 1 Photo(s)
> 
> ATT7.jpg
> Reply via web post Reply to sender
>  Reply to group Start a New Topic 
>   Messages in this topic (1)   
> RECENT ACTIVITY:
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> 
> Coming Events:
> 
> March 22-23-24, 2013
>   NSS Board of Governors Meeting
>   Hosted by San Francisco Bay Chapter
>   Menlo Park - All cavers welcome!
> 
> 
> May 17-18-19, 2013  (tentative dates)
>   Speleo-Ed Seminar - Millerton Lakes, Prather, CA
>   Hosted by Stanislaus Grotto
> 
> 
> July 21-28, 2013
>   16th International Congress of Speleology
>   Brno, Czech Republic
>   www.speleo2013.com
> 
> 
> August 5-9, 2013
>   NSS National Convention - Shippensburg, PA
>   www.nss2013.com
> 
> 
> August 30-September 2, 2013
>   Northwestern and Western Regional Weekend
>   Trailhead Bed and Breakfast. Trout Lake, Washington
>   Hosted by Willamette Valley Grotto
> 
> 
> July, 2016
>   75th Anniversary - National Speleological Society
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