[SWR] Human migration into North America
Human migration into North America I have missed a number of the discussions on SW Cavers and the Texas remailer, but this is largely a response to Donald. Hope I am not stepping on some previous posts that I have missed. Donald, this has been a side interest of mine since my anthro days at UNM, but I don't keep rigorously abreast of the latest confirmed data. There has been lots of conjecture, discussions, and fist-fights over the ideas of how and when the Native Americans got here. The last decade has brought the advent of DNA identification and that, coupled with more accepted dating of archaeological sites and linguistics studies are starting to give us some answers. The bottom line is that most of the major ideas of how humans spread from Asia start to make sense to me. The only major theory that fails is the idea that there was a significant influx from the east, across the Atlantic: the so-called " Solutrean Theory". Any input from that source does not seem to have had an impact on the Native DNA, prior to the coming of Europeans after 1492. Lots of the story remains to be unraveled, but the following seems to be shaking out. The August 12, 2013 issue of the Proceedings of the National Academy of Science (referenced in the Sept 21, 2013 issue of Science News) https://www.sciencenews.org/article/dna-reveals-details-peopling-americas The article stated that mitochondrial DNA combined with more traditional archaeology (especially language studies) pretty conclusively shows that there were three major times of migration of peoples into the Americas from Asia. There were numerous individual groups that came east and south during each of these broad periods of migration. 18,000-15,000 years ago (perhaps even a bit earlier): by sea in small boats down the Pacific Coast line all the way to the tip of South America, spreading inland. This seeded both North and Central America and all of South America with humans. The South American DNA remained distinct from the DNA brought by later migrations into North America. All the Native Americans seem to have DNA that traces back to a child known as the Mal’ta boy, who lived near central Siberia’s Lake Baikal 24,000 years ago. This was reported in November 20, 2013 issue of Nature (summary : https://www.sciencenews.org/article/ancient-siberian-bones-clarify-native-american-origins). 14,000 to 10,000 years ago the opening ice-free corridor in the Canadian Rockies allowed influx of big game hunters and other hunter-gatherers to move south from the Arctic. This appears to have provided the dominant wash of DNA of most North American natives, from the west coast, high plains (including the Clovis peoples), down the Mississippi Valley to the Gulf, as well as east to Nova Scotia, all along the east coast and (by some path) into Florida. This is the dominant DNA stock of North American natives south of the Arctic. This group can also trace their DNA back to Mal’ta boy, but did not make it across Central America to South America. There appear to be distinctive differences in the DNA between North and South America. Starting about 4,000 years ago, modern Inuit spread east across the Arctic (northern Canada) to Greenland. DNA from the only well-documented Clovis burial, a baby who died some 12,600 years ago, strongly indicates that this individual represents the influx from Asia after the opening of the ice-free corridor. The data reported in the Feb. 13, 2014 issue of Nature (summarized in the March 22, 2014 issue of Science News https://www.sciencenews.org/article/clovis-baby%E2%80%99s-genome-unveils-native-american-ancestry ) suggests that the Clovis people and all present-day Native North Americans came from the same genetic stock. The article does not specifically relate the Clovis DNA to the South American populations or to Naia, but I am sure someone is busily doing this. I await the results, but it fits into the general story that is emerging. If confirmed, this study does put to rest the idea of the Solutrean hypothesis, that ancient Europeans crossed the Atlantic and established the Clovis culture in the New World. Naia, the Hoyo Negro girl who inspired the latest round of posts, fits into this somehow. It sounds to me as if they are still trying to fit her DNA into the above story. Ancient Cave Skeleton Sheds Light on Early American Ancestry 5/15/2014 http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/d-brief/2014/05/15/ancient-cave-skeleton-sheds-light-on-early-american-ancestry/#.U3d0pyhJikw Hope this helps. Dwight ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] Organ Mts - Desert Peaks National Monument designated by Obama
Geronimo cave is in this area right? > From: gypca...@comcast.net > Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 13:43:47 -0600 > To: s...@caver.net > Subject: [SWR] Organ Pipe - Desert Peaks National Monument designated by > Obama > > Here's the information from the Conservation Lands Foundation: > > http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=9e17b741-fc16-44b8-8edd-6fb732f9e27f&c=899669d0-1eca-11e3-964b-d4ae5275dbea&ch=89e218d0-1eca-11e3-968d-d4ae5275dbea > > Steve Peerman > > "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you > didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from > the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. > Discover." > attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
When I first moved out to the Bulverde area I noticed a rock house set back off of 1863 just as you enter Bulverde from the east. In a terrace wall, spelled out in rock, and easily visible from the road, was the word "CAVE". I wondered at first if it was advertising a long forgotten tourist cave but found out later that it was the name of people who lived there. The wall, or at least the letters, have since been removed. _ From: Louise Power [mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2014 11:31 AM To: Preston Forsythe; texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave Hi Preston, In answer to your question: "Is the last name, Cave, common?" I did a quick check on Ancestry.com and saw that there were 1,566,853 entries for the name Cave. That, of course, doesn't mean that many individuals by the name Cave, but includes every place that the name is mentioned in every document in their database; includes things like birth and death certs, wills, immigration and other public records, family trees, military records, prison and orphanage records, mentions in newspapers and other publications, et al. My own family has multiple entries for each family member. Could even include a few "real underground, geological anomalies." They rarely have records on live people because of potential legal issues. In the family trees online, live people are generally referred to as "unlisted." Censuses through 1940 can now be viewed online. The next census (1950) will not be out for 70 years. If someone is interested and does not have personal access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogical sites, they can go to their nearest Morman "Family History Library" and use their facilities free of charge. I've found the people who work there very accommodating. How do I know these things? I've been working on my family history for over 20 years. Good luck, Louise > From: pns_...@bellsouth.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 20:32:56 -0500 > Subject: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave > > Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, > and mention of I-35 to Duluth. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html ?hp > > Is the last name, Cave, common? > > While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the > Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , > plus a major new double door installation. > > You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in > Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs > Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. > > > Preston in KY > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
[Texascavers] USS and UT Grotto Meeting May 21st
Howdy Texas Cavers! Come get pumped about going to the NSS Convention in Alabama this summer, http://nss2014.caves.org/, by coming to the meeting this Wednesday and and hearing Sofia Casini and Galen Falgout talk about some amazing TAG caves! [TAG = T.A.G.=Tennessee-Alabama-Georgia!] The meeting, hosted by the University Speleological Society, is at 7:45pm in *Burdine 136*. Follow this link to a map of where the building is located on the University of Texas campus: http://www.utexas.edu/maps/main/buildings/bur.html For information on Underground Texas Grotto activities, please see www.utgrotto.org Before the meeting, take advantage of Sao Paulo www.saopaulos.net for happy hour specials. Attendance by cavers varies but this area is the best place to park and meet folks walking over to the meeting. Then after the USS meeting, we continue with the decades long tradition to reconvene for burgers, beer, and tall tales of caving at Posse East. www.posse-east.com Cavingly, Andrea Croskrey UT Grotto Vice Chair
texascavers Digest 19 May 2014 21:17:27 -0000 Issue 1981
texascavers Digest 19 May 2014 21:17:27 - Issue 1981 Topics (messages 23850 through 23857): Article by Mr. Cave 23850 by: Preston Forsythe 23851 by: Frances Fehribach 23854 by: Louise Power a product for lighting caves 23852 by: David NSS headquarters 23853 by: Mixon Bill 23855 by: Charles Goldsmith 23856 by: Geary Schindel Paging Joe Furman 23857 by: Mallory Administrivia: To subscribe to the digest, e-mail: To unsubscribe from the digest, e-mail: To post to the list, e-mail: -- --- Begin Message --- Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, and mention of I-35 to Duluth. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html?hp Is the last name, Cave, common? While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , plus a major new double door installation. You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. Preston in KY --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- I have often heard the name Cuevas On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 8:32 PM, Preston Forsythe wrote: > Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, > and mention of I-35 to Duluth. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on- > mexicos-border.html?hp > > Is the last name, Cave, common? > > While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the > Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , > plus a major new double door installation. > > You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are > in Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the > hdqtrs Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. > > > Preston in KY > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- Hi Preston, In answer to your question: "Is the last name, Cave, common?" I did a quick check on Ancestry.com and saw that there were 1,566,853 entries for the name Cave. That, of course, doesn't mean that many individuals by the name Cave, but includes every place that the name is mentioned in every document in their database; includes things like birth and death certs, wills, immigration and other public records, family trees, military records, prison and orphanage records, mentions in newspapers and other publications, et al. My own family has multiple entries for each family member. Could even include a few "real underground, geological anomalies." They rarely have records on live people because of potential legal issues. In the family trees online, live people are generally referred to as "unlisted." Censuses through 1940 can now be viewed online. The next census (1950) will not be out for 70 years. If someone is interested and does not have personal access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogical sites, they can go to their nearest Morman "Family History Library" and use their facilities free of charge. I've found the people who work there very accommodating. How do I know these things? I've been working on my family history for over 20 years. Good luck, Louise > From: pns_...@bellsouth.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 20:32:56 -0500 > Subject: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave > > Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, > and mention of I-35 to Duluth. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html?hp > > Is the last name, Cave, common? > > While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the > Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , > plus a major new double door installation. > > You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in > Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs > Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. > > > Preston in KY > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > --- End Message --- --- Begin Message --- This post is for the cavers that like to make things themselves. Below is a product sold at Academy Stores in the boat
[Texascavers] Paging Joe Furman
Paging Joe Furman, Please contact me (Mallory Mayeux) ASAP...we want to show your awesomely funny CM Shovel tank Haul video at a grotto meeting! Email, call or text at 225-933-9885. Thanks! Mal Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[SWR] Organ Pipe - Desert Peaks National Monument designated by Obama
Here's the information from the Conservation Lands Foundation: http://campaign.r20.constantcontact.com/render?ca=9e17b741-fc16-44b8-8edd-6fb732f9e27f&c=899669d0-1eca-11e3-964b-d4ae5275dbea&ch=89e218d0-1eca-11e3-968d-d4ae5275dbea Steve Peerman "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover." attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
RE: [Texascavers] NSS headquarters
Charles, You'll be able to see both the old and the new building along with Shelta Cave preserve and our newest preserve (The William Stephenson Preserve). I think you'll find northern Alabama and Huntsville to be a great place for a headquarters and convention. There is a lot to see and do there, both underground and above ground. Bring your vertical and horizontal cave gear and your swim suit. Geary
Re: [Texascavers] NSS headquarters
Yeah, I'm thinking about doing the same, I haven't priced out hotels yet, but camping in July is just not any fun On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 11:21 AM, Bill Bentley wrote: > Are you camping? > > I will be camping at the Holiday Inn Express...LOL > > Bill > > On 5/19/2014 11:40 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: >> >> Agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing the new building (well, I never >> saw the old), since this will be my first trip to Alabama. >> >> On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mixon Bill >> wrote: >>> >>> Preston et al. -- Happy to hear that the NSS is deriving nice income from >>> the "auditorium" (really a ballroom) in the new HQ. I never had any doubt >>> that the capital cost (and much labor) of the building and remodeling >>> would >>> be donated (and volunteered), but I was concerned that the operating >>> costs >>> of the much larger building would be a big hit on the regular NSS budget. >>> -- >>> Mixon >>> >>> Work is the curse of the drinking class. >>> >>> You may "reply" to the address this message >>> came from, but for long-term use, save: >>> Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu >>> AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org >>> >>> >>> - >>> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >>> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >>> >> - >> Visit our website: http://texascavers.com >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com >> For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >> >> >
Re: [Texascavers] NSS headquarters
Are you camping? I will be camping at the Holiday Inn Express...LOL Bill On 5/19/2014 11:40 AM, Charles Goldsmith wrote: Agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing the new building (well, I never saw the old), since this will be my first trip to Alabama. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: Preston et al. -- Happy to hear that the NSS is deriving nice income from the "auditorium" (really a ballroom) in the new HQ. I never had any doubt that the capital cost (and much labor) of the building and remodeling would be donated (and volunteered), but I was concerned that the operating costs of the much larger building would be a big hit on the regular NSS budget. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] NSS headquarters
Agreed, I'm looking forward to seeing the new building (well, I never saw the old), since this will be my first trip to Alabama. On Mon, May 19, 2014 at 9:06 AM, Mixon Bill wrote: > Preston et al. -- Happy to hear that the NSS is deriving nice income from > the "auditorium" (really a ballroom) in the new HQ. I never had any doubt > that the capital cost (and much labor) of the building and remodeling would > be donated (and volunteered), but I was concerned that the operating costs > of the much larger building would be a big hit on the regular NSS budget. -- > Mixon > > Work is the curse of the drinking class. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
RE: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave
Hi Preston, In answer to your question: "Is the last name, Cave, common?" I did a quick check on Ancestry.com and saw that there were 1,566,853 entries for the name Cave. That, of course, doesn't mean that many individuals by the name Cave, but includes every place that the name is mentioned in every document in their database; includes things like birth and death certs, wills, immigration and other public records, family trees, military records, prison and orphanage records, mentions in newspapers and other publications, et al. My own family has multiple entries for each family member. Could even include a few "real underground, geological anomalies." They rarely have records on live people because of potential legal issues. In the family trees online, live people are generally referred to as "unlisted." Censuses through 1940 can now be viewed online. The next census (1950) will not be out for 70 years. If someone is interested and does not have personal access to Ancestry.com or one of the other genealogical sites, they can go to their nearest Morman "Family History Library" and use their facilities free of charge. I've found the people who work there very accommodating. How do I know these things? I've been working on my family history for over 20 years. Good luck, Louise > From: pns_...@bellsouth.net > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Sun, 18 May 2014 20:32:56 -0500 > Subject: [Texascavers] Article by Mr. Cave > > Yes, by Damien Cave, headline in today's NYT, about life in Laredo today, > and mention of I-35 to Duluth. > > http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/18/us/deep-ties-tested-on-mexicos-border.html?hp > > Is the last name, Cave, common? > > While I have your attention, a lot of work was done this weekend at the > Huntsville hdqtrs, drywall mud and more drywall joint compound, i.e., mud , > plus a major new double door installation. > > You may be surprised how popular Quinceaneras (mentioned in the link) are in > Huntsville. At least 600 attended a party for a 15 year old at the hdqtrs > Saturday night. Good income for the NSS. > > > Preston in KY > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com >
[Texascavers] NSS headquarters
Preston et al. -- Happy to hear that the NSS is deriving nice income from the "auditorium" (really a ballroom) in the new HQ. I never had any doubt that the capital cost (and much labor) of the building and remodeling would be donated (and volunteered), but I was concerned that the operating costs of the much larger building would be a big hit on the regular NSS budget. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
