Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Say the word. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 3:44 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Cool, I'd love to, but this weekend is no good, will be at a customer's site all weekend. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Charles I'm going to punkin an deep next weekend. Taking some plant folks. Punkin is more than big enough to fly around. If u wanna come down this weekend we have room on the trip Galen Falgout On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I've never been to Punkin, is there enough room? I'll gladly bring it down and we can give it a try. Might be some good footage for the TCMA members and/or website. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: At Punkin, through trip. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Charles I'm going to punkin an deep next weekend. Taking some plant folks. Punkin is more than big enough to fly around. If u wanna come down this weekend we have room on the trip Galen Falgout On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I've never been to Punkin, is there enough room? I'll gladly bring it down and we can give it a try. Might be some good footage for the TCMA members and/or website. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: At Punkin, through trip. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Spring Convention 2015 photo is up!
Very nice Bennett, thanks! On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TSA Spring Convention 2015 group photo is up! As far as I’m concerned, this photo is public domain. Share, copy, print as you desire. Facebook (public so even those without a Facebook account should be able to see it with tags): www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=948831808501490l=9ba5070a93 Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/wittytexan/17291968592/ My website: www.bennettlee.com/Photos/Caving/TSASpringConvention2015.jpg --Bennett ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Cool, I'd love to, but this weekend is no good, will be at a customer's site all weekend. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 2:08 PM, via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Charles I'm going to punkin an deep next weekend. Taking some plant folks. Punkin is more than big enough to fly around. If u wanna come down this weekend we have room on the trip Galen Falgout On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:47 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I've never been to Punkin, is there enough room? I'll gladly bring it down and we can give it a try. Might be some good footage for the TCMA members and/or website. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: At Punkin, through trip. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Spring Convention 2015 photo is up!
TSA Spring Convention 2015 group photo is up! As far as I'm concerned, this photo is public domain. Share, copy, print as you desire. Facebook (public so even those without a Facebook account should be able to see it with tags): www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=948831808501490l=9ba5070a93https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=948831808501490l=9ba5070a93 Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/wittytexan/17291968592/https://www.flickr.com/photos/wittytexan/17291968592/ My website: www.bennettlee.com/Photos/Caving/TSASpringConvention2015.jpghttp://www.bennettlee.com/Photos/Caving/TSASpringConvention2015.jpg --Bennett ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Convention 2015 media
Here is a video I put together from the convention, most of it is from the drone, but there are a few other tidbits. Standard youtube link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk8oCKMOB5A Hi-def link: https://www.youtube.com/embed/Hk8oCKMOB5A?v=1080hd Zip of all aerial images taken: http://goo.gl/WKLvlb Album of images: http://imgur.com/a/eXQuz#0 Feel free to use/share any of this. I'm sending Tom the link to the zips. It was a blast, thanks to everyone who assisted in putting the event together! ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] TSA Spring Conv., Salon Winners
Congratulations to the following winners of the 2015 TSA Spring Convention Photo Salon. We had several submissions this year, 19 photo prints, 12 digital photos and 9 maps. Thank you to everyone for their participation. *Photo, Print* 1. Galen Falgout 2. Jake Kirk 3. Mike Harris *Photo, Digital * 1. Bennett Lee 2. Travis Scott 3. Travis Scott *Cartography, Less than 100 meters* 1. Marvin Miller, Lost Pothole 2. Marvin Miller, Turquoise Sink 3. Ben Hutchins, Falling Animal *Cartography, More than 100 meters* 1. Peter Sprouse Gill Ediger, Jaguar Maw ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Spring Convention 2015 photo is up!
Yes, it is a nice visual documentation of the Convention. Thank you, Bennett. Roger G. Moore -Original Message- From: Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com To: Cavetex texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Apr 27, 2015 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Spring Convention 2015 photo is up! Very nice Bennett, thanks! On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Bennett Lee via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: TSA Spring Convention 2015 group photo is up! As far as I’m concerned, this photo is public domain. Share, copy, print as you desire. Facebook (public so even those without a Facebook account should be able to see it with tags): www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=948831808501490l=9ba5070a93 Flickr: www.flickr.com/photos/wittytexan/17291968592/ My website: www.bennettlee.com/Photos/Caving/TSASpringConvention2015.jpg --Bennett ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] TSA Spring Conv., Salon Winners
Congratulations, all! Wish I coulda seen everything. Jacqui Jacqui Thomas jlrtho...@verizon.net On Apr 27, 2015, at 8:39 AM, Ellie Watson via Texascavers wrote: Congratulations to the following winners of the 2015 TSA Spring Convention Photo Salon. We had several submissions this year, 19 photo prints, 12 digital photos and 9 maps. Thank you to everyone for their participation. Photo, Print • Galen Falgout • Jake Kirk • Mike Harris Photo, Digital • Bennett Lee • Travis Scott • Travis Scott Cartography, Less than 100 meters • Marvin Miller, Lost Pothole • Marvin Miller, Turquoise Sink • Ben Hutchins, Falling Animal Cartography, More than 100 meters • Peter Sprouse Gill Ediger, Jaguar Maw ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
At Punkin, through trip. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Out of curiosity, does your drone stabilize itself with GPS? I've been wondering how the control characteristics might change on such a drone when in a cave environment where GPS is unavailable. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
I've never been to Punkin, is there enough room? I'll gladly bring it down and we can give it a try. Might be some good footage for the TCMA members and/or website. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:39 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: At Punkin, through trip. --Don On Apr 27, 2015, at 12:34 PM, Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
George, my model is GPS stabilized. There are other models that have a 2nd camera on that will stabilize for indoor environments. Some are limited to just looking at the floor, etc. Ideally, you would have proximity sensors on it, but I haven't researched to find a model to do that, probably out of my price range. They can get VERY expensive. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:45 PM, George D. Nincehelser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Out of curiosity, does your drone stabilize itself with GPS? I've been wondering how the control characteristics might change on such a drone when in a cave environment where GPS is unavailable. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Texas cave organizations
Thanks to Bennett Lee for the article in the new Texas Caver summarizing Texas caving organizations. However, the TSS, TCMA, and TCC are no more independent of the NSS than grottos and regions are. The organization of the NSS is confusing, in that there are Internal Organizations and there are Activities. See http://caves.org/info/nss-orgs.shtml. IOs are grottos (chapters), regions, sections, surveys, and a mysterious entity called an affinity group. Activities are projects, cave conservancies, expeditions, and conservation task forces. To add to the confusion, a number of actual surveys are NSS projects (Activities), not NSS surveys (Internal Organizations). This all badly needs to be rationalized, and Bennett can easily be excused for not knowing the details. The new NSS members manual for 2015 contains lists of projects and CTFs but not other Activities, for some reason. Neither IOs nor Activities get NSS funding automatically, but of course they can apply for various grants. Activities are, however, a bit more closely related to the NSS than IOs are, in that the NSS office can accept donations earmarked for Activities on their behalf. This means that donations to Activities that do not have their own tax-deductible status can be run though the NSS's books, in case the IRS questions them. You'd have to dig pretty deeply into the members' area on the NSS web site to discover this. Anyway, the Texas Speleological Survey is a project of the NSS (as is the Association for Mexican Cave Studies in Austin), and both the Texas Cave Conservancy and the Texas Cave Management Association are conservancies of the NSS. -- Bill Mixon The only way to get rid of a temptation is to yield to it. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Charles, Bring it to TCR this year. There is a cavy looking lead high up in the cliff that the owner has seen coyotes coming and going. He wants us to check it out. We could do the drone first, then try to reach it from above. Kurt -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 12:35 PM To: Cavetex Subject: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves
Sounds good, I had planned to bring it to get aerial footage, much like I did at TSA. On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 12:12 PM, Kurt L. Menking via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Charles, Bring it to TCR this year. There is a cavy looking lead high up in the cliff that the owner has seen coyotes coming and going. He wants us to check it out. We could do the drone first, then try to reach it from above. Kurt -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Charles Goldsmith via Texascavers Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 12:35 PM To: Cavetex Subject: [Texascavers] Drone flying and caves I had a couple of people approach me about drones and caving this weekend at the TSA convention. I did not get names from people, and anytime there is alcohol involved, I'm not going to remember who. If you are interested in drone flying and more specifically if you have a trip or project that can benefit from me assisting with my drone, contact me off-list. I'll gladly assist as I can for any projects. Where I can see the drone helping is with ridge walking, checking out high leads in caves (that have enough room for the drone to maneuver) and also checking out leads on cliff faces. It can potentially be used to check out pits before dropping into one, depending on the size/nature of the pit. While it does pretty good in wind, that's a factor that has to be taken into account, as well as obstacles. We'll also have to keep it away from any bats, since it's a bit noisy and we don't want to disturb them. It might be useful in scaring off other varmits to move them away from an entrance (snakes, etc). Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
