[Texascavers] off-topic - politics

2016-07-02 Thread David via Texascavers 
Since there is not much caving post here today, I thought I
would post a general post about the political mess our
country is in and how cavers feel about it all.

Hit the delete button now, please.

I hope this does not make anyone angry or open up a
can of worms.  So please be cordial if you respond.

The main purpose here in this post is to see if cavers in general have
a different perspective than the majority of voters or the
media.


The election for POTUS is about 96 days away.   I
have been told that at least 51% of active cavers are Democrats.
Is that true ?

Are there any political issues affecting cavers ?Like gov't
sanctioned drilling and mining in karst areas ?

Would you still vote for Hillary if she were to be indicted ?
Do you feel her husband is helping or hurting her campaign ?

Do you think Bernie should be POTUS ?

Do you think the federal gov't should beef up southern border security ?
Meaning we should spend lots more tax-dollars along the southern border ?

Looking back in history, WaterGate sure seems to be insignificant
compared to the Republican attacks on Hillary.It seems obvious, she
had no choice but to hide all her files and have a private server, as there
was nobody in our gov't she could trust.   I bet hundreds of gov't employees
at high levels have had to do such things to protect themselves.   I also
feel strongly, that Hillary probably has little use of email, and the
30,000 emails
is just a smokescreen, most of it all is just her staff ordering pizza.

I do not think we should let the terrorist actions affect our election or our
decision making.However, someone has to battle them.   I strongly feel they
need to be terminated.It seems clear to me that H*llary wants to first give
them some money and try to work with them.   We have tried that numerous times
and that is how we ended up with Osama Bin Laden, and Noriega, and Chavez, and
the Shah of Iran, and the list goes on. Personally, I am very
tired and annoyed by
it all, and think we have tolerated it for 70 years and that is long
enough.   It is time now, to get down at their
level and be meaner than them.Only one candidate has expressed
similar thoughts.

My real concerns though are more at the local level in my own
neighborhood.Crime has
become out of control and we have a revolving door system that has
become a profitable
industry.   In fact, I make all my money off of it.I would be a
huge hypocrit to say that
the system needs to tweaked.   I feel we need to keep the bad people
in some kind of
facility.   But that cost money, and I do not trust the gov't to
efficiently spend my hard-earned
money.   I see that money go to waste every day - like outdoor
lighting on public buildings is
on 24/7 all year long, or lawn sprinklers going off during a flood
event.   Or gov't employees
sitting in the cars idling for hours to keep the AC running.   That is
not good for the engine,
by the way.

David Locklear
amateur political analyst
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Re: [Texascavers] related to Bata Boots

2016-07-02 Thread Mark Minton via Texascavers 
  I haven't used Bata Boots for several years, but I was unaware of the
change of manufacturer to Onguard and now, apparently, Dunlop. Bata
still exists , but they no longer seem
to make the classic "Bata" boot that cavers used. When I was buying them
(bulk purchases for UT Grotto), I got them from Gemplers
.
Gemplers still carries them, but made by Onguard/Dunlap.

  It would be nice if the sole had better grip. We used to call them Bata
skis. Thanks for the update.

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Thu, June 30, 2016 1:50 am, David via Texascavers wrote:
> A few years ago, I was told that a company called Onguard was the the
> distributor for Bata Boots or Bata style boots.
>
> http://www.safeshoes.com/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/o/n/ong86104.jpg
>
> ( a.k.a. Polyblend 6" Plain Toe workshoe with cleated outsole )
>
> For some weird reason, I got an email today from Onguard saying they
> were bought out by Dunlop Boots.
>
> Ref:
>
> http://www.onguardindustries.com/content/index.cfm?sID=33=48
>
> Anyways, you can order these boots at the following email:
>
> orders-...@dunlopboots.com
>
> specify "plain toe" or you will get a "steel toe," and I think most
> cavers agree that steel toe is NOT what you want. Also, you want to
> wear neoprene socks in these if you are river caving,
> so you want them a size larger than what you would normally wear.
>
> The advantage to these boots is that they provide more ankle
> protection than a pull-up style rubber boot. And this brand has a
> more rugged sole for better grip.
>
> https://www.amazon.com/ONGUARD-86103-Polyurethane-Polyblend-Workshoe/dp/B00127Y2D6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8=1467265629=8-1=polyblend+plain+toe+6%22
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Onguard-Polyblend-6-Plain-Toe-Work-Boots-Mens-Sizes-/220652099903?var==item335fe3d93f:m:mK1KTzYF3OhBGNQ2JpKWj_g
>
> David Locklear
> NSS # 27639

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[Texascavers] new from AMCS

2016-07-02 Thread Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
I prepared this message to go to the large AMCS e-mail list, but the mailing 
facility provided by the Maverick Grotto seems to be broken. Meanwhile, feel 
free to forward this to other caver lists.
---
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies announces the publication of its AMCS 
Activities Newsletter 39 for 2016. Details, including table of contents, are at
www.mexicancaves.org/nl/39.htm. The price is $14, plus shipping ($4 for one 
book to US addresses; contact sa...@mexicancaves.org for foreign postage). 
Paypal to sa...@mexicancaves.org or check to AMCS, PO Box 7672, Austin, Texas 
78713.

The magazine and all other publications the AMCS sells 
(www.mexicancaves.org/pubs.html) will be available at the AMCS sales tables in 
room 206 at the coming NSS convention.

Free PDF files of AMCS Activities Newsletters 31-34 have been added to the AMCS 
web site. They are still available on paper. See 
www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.

AMCS bulletin 25, the report on the San Agustín 2013 Expedition 
(www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul25.html) is out of print. A PDF file has been put 
on the web site at www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul25.pdf. Only one paper copy 
remains of bulletin 14, John Fish's very important PhD dissertation on the 
karst hydrology of the Sierra de El Abra (www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul14.htm). 
If not claimed before then, it will be for sale at the NSS convention. A 
compressed PDF of the bulletin has been put on the web at 
www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul14.pdf.

These additions to the web site bring the number of pages of PDF files of AMCS 
publications up to 6516.

Also recently added to the web site are the Manual de Biospeleología 
(www.mexicancaves.org/other/manual.htm, manual.pdf) and the program and 
abstract book Le Grotte di Naica: Esplorazione, Documentazione, Ricerca 
(www.mexicancaves.org/other/naicaprog.html). The total number of pages of PDF 
files of non-NSS publications on our web site has reached 4394.

Bill Mixon, July 2, 2016

What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony 
Trollope, Barchester Towers

You may "reply" to the address this message
(unless it's a TexasCavers list post)
came from, but for long-term use, save:
Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu
AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org

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Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Dig trip on Saturday, July 2 - more information

2016-07-02 Thread gary Dunham via Texascavers 
Will meet yaw out there

On Jun 30, 2016 9:26 PM, "Geary Schindel via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Yes, it might be a little over hyped.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *Scott Boyd via Texascavers
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 30, 2016 6:39 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] LaChance Dig trip on Saturday, July 2 - more
> information
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 30, 2016 9:23 AM, "Geary Schindel via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> > There are reports the cave may extend under the Red River or may be the
> remains of an escape tunnel from the Alamo.
> >
> Wow - a cave in Texas that starts in New Braunfels and may extend all the
> way to the Red River, which is on the Texas/Oklahoma border! If true, that
> would set a new record for longest cave!
>
> Scott D. Boyd
> scottd...@gmail.com
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