[Texascavers] [Texas Cavers Reunion!]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Paradise Canyons gates open after noon this Thursday, October 13 to the 19th, 
for the 39th annual Texas Cavers Reunion! Magical Forest Creatures. 

Word has been out for some time now, and the time is almost here!

Cavers have been caving and are ready to tell their tales! Let's get together 
with our caver family in an awesome setting and enjoy each other's company. 
Many new cavers need to be introduced to the old timers & traditions of Texas 
Caving! Contests, T-Shirts, Swimming, door prizes, the great outdoors and a 
Parade!

$30 for individuals
$15 for old timers
$15 for kids
$80 for families

Come support and celebrate your caving family! 

The 39th annual Texas Cavers Reunion will be at Paradise Canyon park below 
Medina Lake on the currently raging Medina River. There will be the usual 
revelry! Rope climbing contests, surveying contests, mud wrestling contests, 
speleolympic contests, costume contest, kegs of Shiner beer, story telling, 
swimming, parade, hot tubbing, door prizes, kayaking, river tubing, slides, 
sashaying, mooching, lying, goofing off, horse play, dumbassery, giddiness, 
hugging, handshaking, camping, mocking, and general capering about. Come early, 
on Thursday for the primo campsites. There are four cabins and an RV for rent 
through Paradise Canyon, please contact them for price and arrangements.

If you are a caver, spelunker, troglodyte, cave manager, cave guide, cave 
owner, cave archeologist, cave lover, cave explorer, cave diver, cave 
biologist, cave geologist, cave hydrologist, cave climber, cave squeezer, cave 
aficionado, cave critter, or caver supporter, caver financier, cave surveyor, 
cave mapper, naked caver, cave gear vendor, long suffering cave spouse, cave 
divorcee, cave widow please consider attending. If you aren't, you will be 
vetted, someone better vouch for you or we may use you as a bad example and let 
the fairies have you. 

If you have children or pets, please keep them leashed, clean up after them 
(bring your own poo bags). We expect them to be quiet and well mannered. Poorly 
mannered children and pets will be handed over to the cooks or Ogres for 
disposal.

Please bring your own utensils for the Big Feed on Saturday night. 

Please:
NO GLASS CONTAINERS
in the park. None. If you are a cook, you are not included in this mandate, 
unless you go near the river. Also, no longer driving the vehicles to the lower 
level camping areas, the owner has installed lots of new plumbing for lawns and 
has suffered breaks from vehicular traffic.

Please help us keep the park owner happy with us by being conscientious with 
trash, the park is open to the public during the rest of the year and bottle 
caps, twist ties and other minutea of debris gets left behind. With so many 
environmentalists present at once during our event, if everyone picked up a few 
things the park would SPARKLE, so would the owners smile! 

Create a prize winning, memorable Magical Forest Creature costume! Get on it!!

don at oztotl dot com

--Don



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[Texascavers] AMCS help for TCR

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Aside from sitting and minding the store during some part of the time, health 
problem will prevent me from contributing much to the Association for Mexican 
Cave Studies' presence at TCR.

Other people needed to help finish unpacking and reshelving stuff brought back 
from NSS convention and then selecting and packing what should go to TCR. 
Hauling, setting up, and taking down shelter and two folding tables. I suggest 
that the 10x10 pop-up shelter will suffice, but the usual 10x20 portable-garage 
thing is available if somebody wants to deal with it. Take various accessories 
like AMCS banner, our small tarps to cover tables at night against dew, etc. My 
truck (manual transmission) could be borrowed to haul things if necessary; the 
tables are 6 feet long.

I can make signs with price lists for whatever is taken for sale and get change 
($1 and $5 bills) for the cash box.

I'm planning to drive my little car, leaving early afternoon on Friday. It will 
be easier and less intrusive to drive it and a folding chair, rather then the 
truck, around the site to participate in or at least view the various 
activities.

I know a lot of the usual AMCS people have other responsibilities at TCR. Maybe 
some new people can help with this. The AMCS has been too much of a one-man 
show (except for the actual caving) for too long. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] [TCR & Registration]

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

I almost forgot to mention TCR is only taking cash and checks as the canyon has 
no cell service for mobile card readers!

--Don



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Re: [Texascavers] AMCS help for TCR

[Ron Ralph via Texascavers]

I will help you Bill.
Ron Ralph

-Original Message- 
From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers

Sent: Monday, October 10, 2016 10:32 AM
To: Cavers Texas
Subject: [Texascavers] AMCS help for TCR

Aside from sitting and minding the store during some part of the time, 
health problem will prevent me from contributing much to the Association for 
Mexican Cave Studies' presence at TCR.


Other people needed to help finish unpacking and reshelving stuff brought 
back from NSS convention and then selecting and packing what should go to 
TCR. Hauling, setting up, and taking down shelter and two folding tables. I 
suggest that the 10x10 pop-up shelter will suffice, but the usual 10x20 
portable-garage thing is available if somebody wants to deal with it. Take 
various accessories like AMCS banner, our small tarps to cover tables at 
night against dew, etc. My truck (manual transmission) could be borrowed to 
haul things if necessary; the tables are 6 feet long.


I can make signs with price lists for whatever is taken for sale and get 
change ($1 and $5 bills) for the cash box.


I'm planning to drive my little car, leaving early afternoon on Friday. It 
will be easier and less intrusive to drive it and a folding chair, rather 
then the truck, around the site to participate in or at least view the 
various activities.


I know a lot of the usual AMCS people have other responsibilities at TCR. 
Maybe some new people can help with this. The AMCS has been too much of a 
one-man show (except for the actual caving) for too long. -- Mixon


A chicken is the egg's way of making another egg.

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[Texascavers] Carrizal

[David via Texascavers]

I am just curious if the cave really is inside the boundary of the State of
Nuevo Leon then how is it controlled by an ejido in the state of Coahuila.

I can't picture that happening in the USA.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Nico Escamilla via Texascavers]

first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went there
to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades that
the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people who
got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its like
looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine whether
or not its red.

El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
> original version for reference.
>
> Joe
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>
>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>
>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El Carrizal,
>> Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of you can
>> read.
>>
>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>> turistic activities.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Monica Ponce
>> MP Mex Caving.
>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>> ACEAC
>> EspeleoCoahuila
>> 10/10/2016
>>
>> --
>>
>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>
>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>> UIS
>>
>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>
>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>
>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>
>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>
>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>
>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>
>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>
>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal

[Nico Escamilla via Texascavers]

the fence right by the resurgence is actually the state line, the cave is
in Coahuila

El oct. 10, 2016 4:28 PM, "David via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> I am just curious if the cave really is inside the boundary of the State
> of Nuevo Leon then how is it controlled by an ejido in the state of
> Coahuila.
>
> I can't picture that happening in the USA.
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[via Texascavers]

My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The 
official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not 
sufficient for a bureaucrat. 

Joe Ranzau
210.289.6839

> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went there 
> to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades that the 
> cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people who got 
> histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its like 
> looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine whether 
> or not its red.
> 
> 
> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" 
>  escribió:
>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the 
>> original version for reference.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 210.289.6839
>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. 
>>> via Texascavers  wrote:
>>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>> 
>>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El Carrizal, 
>>> Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of you can 
>>> read. 
>>> 
>>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site. 
>>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on 
>>> turistic activities.
>>> 
>>> Thank you 
>>> 
>>> Monica Ponce
>>> MP Mex Caving.
>>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>>> ACEAC
>>> EspeleoCoahuila
>>> 10/10/2016
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la UIS
>>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>> 
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[Texascavers] Carrizal histo

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Thanks, Mónica. Attached is Google translation into English. It seems to have 
been well enough written that translation pretty successful.
 -- Mixon


Carrizal Google translation.doc
Description: MS-Word document


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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Nico Escamilla via Texascavers]

Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
taxpayer's money on useless bs.

El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
escribió:

My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
sufficient for a bureaucrat.

Joe Ranzau
210.289.6839

On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went there
to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades that
the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people who
got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its like
looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine whether
or not its red.

El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
> original version for reference.
>
> Joe
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>
>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>
>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El Carrizal,
>> Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of you can
>> read.
>>
>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>> turistic activities.
>>
>> Thank you
>>
>> Monica Ponce
>> MP Mex Caving.
>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>> ACEAC
>> EspeleoCoahuila
>> 10/10/2016
>>
>> --
>>
>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>
>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>> UIS
>>
>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>
>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>
>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>
>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>
>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>
>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>
>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>
>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>
>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

The Alcalde of the Candela ejido and his brother a UT grad told Fito
Santos, Ed Alexander, Terry Plemons, myself and a dozen or so cavers who
were going to the cave as a field trip during the last Bustamante clean up
that it was closed to the public and dangerous. "Histo",  he said and that
a group of Monterey covers had all gotten histo from the cave. It is a
water source for the nearby rancho. He also added that there was some talk
of making it a show cave. They were jealous of the Bustamante cave. I doubt
that it would be much of a draw since it isn't a well decorated cave and
pretty ugly as caves go. The hot springs might be a draw.

On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 6:34 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
> now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
> escribió:
>
> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
> official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>
> Joe Ranzau
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people
> who got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its
> like looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine
> whether or not its red.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
>> original version for reference.
>>
>> Joe
>> 210.289.6839
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
>> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>>
>>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El
>>> Carrizal, Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of
>>> you can read.
>>>
>>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>>> turistic activities.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Monica Ponce
>>> MP Mex Caving.
>>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>>> ACEAC
>>> EspeleoCoahuila
>>> 10/10/2016
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>>
>>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>>> UIS
>>>
>>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>>
>>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>>
>>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>>
>>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>>
>>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>>
>>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>>
>>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>>
>>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>>
>>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers]

Estimado Nico Escamilla,

Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.

Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos contrato
para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso en la
Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que represento, y de
una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que no entienden que
la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.

Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI y
nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.

Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres que
no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
motivo como Turistica.

Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963 se
es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero, como
siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.

De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.

Buenas noches.

Monica Ponce.



2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com>:

> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
> now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
> escribió:
>
> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
> official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>
> Joe Ranzau
> 210.289.6839
>
> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people
> who got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its
> like looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine
> whether or not its red.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>
>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
>> original version for reference.
>>
>> Joe
>> 210.289.6839
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
>> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Texas Caver Community
>>>
>>> I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El
>>> Carrizal, Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of
>>> you can read.
>>>
>>> Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
>>> Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
>>> turistic activities.
>>>
>>> Thank you
>>>
>>> Monica Ponce
>>> MP Mex Caving.
>>> Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.C.
>>> ACEAC
>>> EspeleoCoahuila
>>> 10/10/2016
>>>
>>> --
>>>
>>> LCC. MÓNICA GRISSEL PONCE GONZÁLEZ
>>>
>>> Coordinadora de la Comisión Internacional de Técnicas y Materiales de la
>>> UIS
>>>
>>> Instructor Nacional Certificado de Espeleología por la FMAS
>>>
>>> Directora de MP- Mex Caving
>>>
>>> Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología, A.C. (Fundadora)
>>>
>>> Asociación Italiana Geográfica La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>>> Centro de Estudios Kársticos La Venta (Socia)
>>>
>>> Grupo Espeleológico Vaxakmen, A.C. (Socia)
>>>
>>> Grupo Espeleológico EspeleoZots en Chetumal (Asesora)
>>>
>>> Grupo Pionero de Espeleología en Sonora  (Asesora)
>>>
>>> Association for Mexican Cave Studies (Colaboradora)
>>>
>>> Texas Speleological Association (Socia)
>>>
>>> Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleológicas (Socia)
>>>
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[Texascavers] Blair Pittman

[via Texascavers]

Another unique individual is gone - Exploring and photographing caves was only 
only one of the remarkable and exceptional aspects of Blair Pittman. 

DirtDoc 

- Original Message -

From: "Terlingua Moon"  
10/10/2016 

Our Community Mourns One of our Own 

Blair Pittman passed away this morning. Blair was a famous and infamous 
photographer from Houston paper in the old days, came out to Big Bend regularly 
and ultimately settled out here. He was married to Jeanne Northsworthy in the 
80s and was around Lajitas and involved with us all during the Mischer days and 
with the local old-timers..like Ross Maxwell. 

He and Jean Hardy-Pittman fell in love and have been married for quite a while 
now and we have enjoyed them both often in the Ghostown. She has been his angel 
and he knew it. He shot (photographed) our Big Bend so wonderfully and he loved 
it deeply. May he RIP….and we will miss him a lot. I loved him. 
Memorial service to be decided later. 

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[Texascavers] Cave and karst news from NCKRI

[George Veni via Texascavers]

Dear Friends,

I'm happy to share the following news and announcements:


1)International Congress of Speleology Scholarship

2)International Congress of Speleology Abstract Deadline

3)Karst Waters Institute 2016 Karst Award

4)List of upcoming cave and karst meetings

The details are below. Please contact the people and organizations listed for 
more information, and feel free to share this message with anyone who may be 
interested.

George

---

International Congress of Speleology Scholarship

The 17th International Congress of Speleology will be held in Sydney, 
Australia, on 23-29 July 2017. The organizers endeavour to crowd-fund AUS 
$6,000 to offer two scholarships to the congress. Currently, 27% of the amount 
needed has been raised. Please contribute before the 31 October 2016 deadline 
so two worthy people, who would not otherwise be able to attend this important 
event, can join the rest of the speleological world next year in Sydney. For 
more information visit: 
chuffed.org/project/scholarships-to-international-cave-congress

---

International Congress of Speleology Abstract Deadline

The deadline for abstracts for the 17th International Congress of Speleology is 
20 November 2016. The deadline for low price early registration fees ends on 31 
January 2017, making this an excellent time to send your abstract and to 
register. It is also an excellent time to apply for your Australian visa. Do 
not assume you will not need one! For these details and more, visit 
https://www.speleo2017.com/ and download the 2nd Circular.

---

Karst Waters Institute 2016 Karst Award


Cave biologist James Reddell is the 2016 KWI Karst Award recipient! He will 
receive the award at a dinner banquet in San Marcos, Texas. Please save the 
date (March 4, 2017) and check the KWI website for registration and more info 
coming soon. 
http://karstwaters.org/save-the-date-march-4th-2017-karst-award-to-james-reddell/

---

List of upcoming cave and karst meetings


1) International Show Caves Association Conference, 6-13 November 2016 
(Oman), http://www.i-s-c-a.com/event/64-isca-conference

2) American Geophysical Union, 12-16 December 2016 (San Francisco, 
California, USA), http://fallmeeting.agu.org/2016/

3) Karst Waters Institute Awards Dinner for James Reddell, 4 March 2017 
(San Marcos, Texas, USA), 
http://karstwaters.org/save-the-date-march-4th-2017-karst-award-to-james-reddell/

4)   Hypogea 2017: International Congress of Speleology in Artificial 
Cavities, 6-10 March 2017 (Cappadocia, Turkey), 
www.hypogea2017.com

5)   US Geological Survey Karst Interest Group Meeting, 16-18 May 2017 
(San Antonio, Texas, USA). Website to be posted soon.

6) Climate Record: The Karst Record VIII, 21-24 May 2017, (Austin, 
Texas, USA), http://sites.uci.edu/kr8conference/

7) National Speleological Society Convention, 19-23 June 2017 (Rio 
Rancho, New Mexico, USA), http://nss2017.caves.org/

8) National Association of Mining History Organisations Conference 
2017, 23-26 June 2017 (Godstone, Surrey, UK), http://namho2017.info/

9)   17th International Congress of Speleology, 23-30 July 2017 
(Sydney, New South Wales, Australia), http://speleo2017.com/

10)  National Cave and Karst Management Symposium, 16-20 October 2017 
(Eureka Springs, Arkansas, USA), http://nckms.org/

11)The Sinkhole Conference, joint with the 3rd Appalachian Karst 
Symposium, 2-6 April 2018 (Shepherdstown, West Virginia, USA), 
http://www.sinkholeconference.com/


George Veni, PhD
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215 USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org

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Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Nico Escamilla via Texascavers]

Nada nuevo bajo el sol, el gobierno despilfarrando el dinero de los
contribuyentes en tonterías, seguro dpi tiene sus conexiones en la
administracion y se llevo su lanita, y de paso los que realizaron el
estudio tambien alcanzan tajada.. encima de eso publican resultados en
cuanto boletin se los permite cual si fueran hallazgos nuevos, todo por
obtener notoriedad e inflar sus egos.

Nothing new under the sun, the government squanders taxpayer's money on bs,
surely dpi has conections inside the administration and they got their
share, plus the people who performed the study got their cut as well.. on
top of that they publish results on whatever newsletter/publication will
allow them to, as if these were new discoveries, all to be renowned and
inflate their own egos.

El oct. 10, 2016 8:58 PM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
Texascavers"  escribió:

> Estimado Nico Escamilla,
>
> Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
> Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
> Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
> Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
> Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
> logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
> en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
> la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
> siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.
>
> Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos
> contrato para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso
> en la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que
> represento, y de una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que
> no entienden que la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.
>
> Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI y
> nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
> León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
> cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.
>
> Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres que
> no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
> demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
> motivo como Turistica.
>
> Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963 se
> es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero, como
> siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.
>
> De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
> resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
> publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
> medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
> tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.
>
> Buenas noches.
>
> Monica Ponce.
>
>
>
> 2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>
>> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population, but
>> now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
>> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>>
>> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
>> escribió:
>>
>> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave. The
>> official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
>> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>>
>> Joe Ranzau
>> 210.289.6839
>>
>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
>> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
>> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 years, I know people
>> who got histo there long ago, whats the point of this useless studies? its
>> like looking at a freaking stop sign and performing a study to determine
>> whether or not its red.
>>
>> El oct. 10, 2016 4:25 PM, "Joe Ranzau via Texascavers" <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:
>>
>>> Here is a quickly translated (read "poorly") version.  Please use the
>>> original version for reference.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> 210.289.6839
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 10, 2016 at 4:13 PM, Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología
>>> AC. via Texascavers  wrote:
>>>
 Dear Texas Caver Community

 I  attached a result of Histoplasma capsulatum test on Gruta El
 Carrizal, Lampazos de Naranjo, Nuevo León. Is in Spanish.  I hope some of
 you can read.

 Is my responsability like caver, to send this information at this site.
 Please share with all the people, is important not use that cave on
 turistic activities.

 Thank you

 Monica Ponce
 MP Mex Caving.
 Asociacion Coahuilense de Espeleologia, A.

Re: [Texascavers] Gruta El Carrizal, Histo test.

[Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC . via Texascavers]

Que chistoso eres Nico, cuando tú te preocupas por las tajadas económicas y
los políticos, cuando la gente local dice que lo que pasa en la cueva son
puros cuentos... nosotros nos preocupamos porque no haya más gente enferma,
en marzo del presente año,  el presidente municipal y director de turismo
municipal de Candela le dieron la bienvenida con bombo y platillo a 150
niños scouts que invitaron a entrar a la cueva.

150 niños entraron a la cueva con dos guías, todos al mismo tiempo, todos
fueron expuestos, todos enfermaron, dos niños de gravedad entre ellos el
hijo de un amigo que se debate entre la vida y la muerte. Pero eso no lo
comentan, en los medios solo hablan de 60 u 70 niños que entraron a una
cueva en Rosita.


Si en mis manos está ayudar, lo haré con trabajo profesional como todo
espeleólogo investigador.


Saludos


Moni








El 10 de octubre de 2016, 22:31, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> escribió:

> Nada nuevo bajo el sol, el gobierno despilfarrando el dinero de los
> contribuyentes en tonterías, seguro dpi tiene sus conexiones en la
> administracion y se llevo su lanita, y de paso los que realizaron el
> estudio tambien alcanzan tajada.. encima de eso publican resultados en
> cuanto boletin se los permite cual si fueran hallazgos nuevos, todo por
> obtener notoriedad e inflar sus egos.
>
> Nothing new under the sun, the government squanders taxpayer's money on
> bs, surely dpi has conections inside the administration and they got their
> share, plus the people who performed the study got their cut as well.. on
> top of that they publish results on whatever newsletter/publication will
> allow them to, as if these were new discoveries, all to be renowned and
> inflate their own egos.
>
> El oct. 10, 2016 8:58 PM, "Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología AC. via
> Texascavers"  escribió:
>
>> Estimado Nico Escamilla,
>>
>> Este estudio, fue solicitado por la empresa Desarrollo de Proyectos
>> Integrales,  para demostrarle a la Secretaria del Gobierno del Estado de
>> Coahuila especificamente a la Secretaria de Turismo, que la Cueva presenta
>> Histoplasmosis, a pesar de haberles proporcionado el articulo de Gill
>> Ediger, las recomendaciones de George Veni ,y demas antecedentes que
>> logramos recuperar de todos los que han visitado la cueva con anterioridad
>> en el foro de Texas Caver, la Secretaria siguió con la encomienda de hacer
>> la Cueva un lugar apto para toda la familia ,... en efecto y como dices
>> siempre se ha sabido que la cueva tiene histoplasmosis.
>>
>> Sin embargo, para acallar todo mal entendido y con pruebas, se nos
>> contrato para realizar este estudio avalado por un laboratorio en este caso
>> en la Universidad Autónoma de Nuevo Leon y por la asociación que
>> represento, y de una vez por todo acallar la boca de aquellas personas que
>> no entienden que la cueva NO DEBE SER TURISTICA.
>>
>> Y según las coordenadas del GPS y corroboradas con la misma empresa DPI
>> y  nuestros instrumentos, la entrada de la cueva es en territorio de Nuevo
>> León zona federal limites del estado  en colindancia con Coahuila, aún y
>> cuando el terreno contiguo a la cueva es Coahuila.
>>
>> Me pareció importante mencionarte estos datos porque aúnque consideres
>> que no valen la pena para tí, para la nosotros es muy importante haberles
>> demostrado que la cueva en definitiva no debe ser promocionada por ningun
>> motivo como Turistica.
>>
>> Y  desafortunadamente entre politicos y cambios de gobierno, desde 1963
>> se es sabido como dice Charles Loving que la cueva tiene el Histo, pero,
>> como siempre te dicen que no tienen absolutamente nada que lo compruebe.
>>
>> De esta manera y en la clausula de mi contrato se especificó que si el
>> resultado era positivo o negativo,  independientemente de ello se
>> publlicaría en los foros a los que pertenecemos y lo publicaríamos en los
>> medios, revistas especializadas y más, porque como comunidad espeleológica
>> tenemos la obligación de compartir datos de ésta índole.
>>
>> Buenas noches.
>>
>> Monica Ponce.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-10-10 18:34 GMT-05:00 Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com>:
>>
>>> Its not what I say, its a well known fact among the local population,
>>> but now that you mention govt its clear why they did it, they love spending
>>> taxpayer's money on useless bs.
>>>
>>> El oct. 10, 2016 5:30 PM, "via Texascavers" 
>>> escribió:
>>>
>>> My understanding is the government was hoping to make it a show cave.
>>> The official study was needed to dissuade them. "Nico says" is likely not
>>> sufficient for a bureaucrat.
>>>
>>> Joe Ranzau
>>> 210.289.6839
>>>
>>> On Oct 10, 2016, at 5:09 PM, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> first off Carrizal is in Coahuila, not Lampazos.. second, people went
>>> there to  sample and test for histo? Good Lord! Its been known for decades
>>> that the cave HAS histo, seriously, like more than 20 y