Re: [Texascavers] Sort of related to Gunnel's Cave

[Jerry via Texascavers]

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Who cares?  It's just fun to read !

Jerry.
 

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From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Sort of related to Gunnel's Cave



Once again what is the relevance to this report?


On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:18 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

http://www.shelbycountytexashistory.net/neuvillecave.htm


The error in the height of the only room should read 20 feet.   However the 
room is acute-trapezoid shaped with the top base being 3 feet, so there is only 
head-room for about 20 standing people in that room.


Whatever trees they are referring to must have been removed.   It is a 
pine-tree farm with about 15 year old trees all in rows.


One serious cave trip took place in 1999.  ( Which was the first attempt at The 
East Texas Caver's Cookout. )


A.S.S. had 4 trips in the late 80s, mostly just me and another caver.


One of the few caves that my estranged-brother ever went in with me.  


I bet locals frequent this cave monthly and drink beer and smoke in it.


7 miles due south of the town of Center, just a 1/2 mile west of the highway to 
San Augustine.


David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Sort of related to Gunnel's Cave

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Once again what is the relevance to this report?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 2:18 PM, David via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> http://www.shelbycountytexashistory.net/neuvillecave.htm
>
> The error in the height of the only room should read 20 feet.   However
> the room is acute-trapezoid shaped with the top base being 3 feet, so there
> is only head-room for about 20 standing people in that room.
>
> Whatever trees they are referring to must have been removed.   It is a
> pine-tree farm with about 15 year old trees all in rows.
>
> One serious cave trip took place in 1999.  ( Which was the first attempt
> at The East Texas Caver's Cookout. )
>
> A.S.S. had 4 trips in the late 80s, mostly just me and another caver.
>
> One of the few caves that my estranged-brother ever went in with me.
>
> I bet locals frequent this cave monthly and drink beer and smoke in it.
>
> 7 miles due south of the town of Center, just a 1/2 mile west of the
> highway to San Augustine.
>
> David Locklear
>
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Re: [Texascavers] The Proposed Texas Speleological Foundation Headquarters

[Charles Loving via Texascavers]

Goodwill? Salvation Army?

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 5:58 PM, Fritz Holt via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Foundation headquarters/
> museum/storage.
> Can anyone or group take David's treasures? until a permanent home can be
> found. It would be a shame for the storage facility to dispose of the stuff
> should David not be able to continue keeping it. I can't as my storage
> buildings are full from recently cleaning
> out two Houston PS storage rooms for my 94 year old aunt thereby saving
> her the $650. monthly rental fee which she couldn't afford. Fritz Holt
> fritz...@gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, David via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > In the event, such a structure were to ever be built, I am currently
> able to offer the following. 30 plus items for donation to be used there.
> >
> > 1)  1 bookshelf
> > 2 ) 1 respectable speleo-library
> > 3 )  old office furniture and equipment for a small office
> > 4 )  old furniture ( coffee table, end table, loveseat-bed )
> > 5 ) 1 metal storage rack
> > 6 ) 3 plastic tote boxes.
> > 7 ) a tool box with some tools
> > 8 ) a vinyl LP and cassette and CD collection of 70's music
> > 9 ) a white-gas lantern
> > 10 ) plastic folding table and plastic folding chair
> > 11 ) a nice work-bench
> > 12 ) 100 plastic drinking glasses for a fancy party ( used once in 2001 )
> > 13 ) various decorative antiques such as a 1950-ish brass backpacker
> stove
> > 14 ) a decorative old picture of the UT campus from 1949.
> > 15 ) some vertical gear to put on display ( inchworm system used by Carl
> Philip Fromen in Precipicio 1991 )
> > 16 ) items owned by caver Jim McLane
> > 17 ) a small dormitory refrigerator
> > 18 ) a small cot
> > 19 ) large stainless steel serving plates ( XXL turkey-size )
> > 20 ) a bottle of wine
> > 21 ) a small kid-size bed, an oak futon,
> > 22 ) a rope owned by Oren Tranbarger
> > 23 ) a rare un-used GHG patch circa 1992
> > 24 ) a rare unused TSA patch from 1987
> > 25 ) a heavily worn TSA shirt from 1987
> > 26 ) various caving shirts to display including a never opened Bob&Bob
> soda-straw shirt from 1988.
> > 27 ) lots of miscellaneous garage-sale-type cr*p.
> > 28 ) a decent National Geographic collection ( every issue from to 1955
> to 2003, and a few antique issues )
> > 29 ) various books and magazines
> > 30 ) Coleman camp stove.
> > 31 ) tarp
> > 32 ) large metal storage box
> >
> > David Locklear
> >
> >
> > P.S.  This is all assuming I live that long and can continue to pay the
> monthly rent on my storage unit.
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Re: [Texascavers] The Proposed Texas Speleological Foundation Headquarters

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

Foundation headquarters/
museum/storage. 
Can anyone or group take David's treasures? until a permanent home can be 
found. It would be a shame for the storage facility to dispose of the stuff 
should David not be able to continue keeping it. I can't as my storage 
buildings are full from recently cleaning
out two Houston PS storage rooms for my 94 year old aunt thereby saving her the 
$650. monthly rental fee which she couldn't afford. Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:01 AM, David via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> In the event, such a structure were to ever be built, I am currently able to 
> offer the following. 30 plus items for donation to be used there.
> 
> 1)  1 bookshelf
> 2 ) 1 respectable speleo-library
> 3 )  old office furniture and equipment for a small office
> 4 )  old furniture ( coffee table, end table, loveseat-bed )
> 5 ) 1 metal storage rack
> 6 ) 3 plastic tote boxes.
> 7 ) a tool box with some tools
> 8 ) a vinyl LP and cassette and CD collection of 70's music
> 9 ) a white-gas lantern
> 10 ) plastic folding table and plastic folding chair
> 11 ) a nice work-bench
> 12 ) 100 plastic drinking glasses for a fancy party ( used once in 2001 )
> 13 ) various decorative antiques such as a 1950-ish brass backpacker stove 
> 14 ) a decorative old picture of the UT campus from 1949.
> 15 ) some vertical gear to put on display ( inchworm system used by Carl 
> Philip Fromen in Precipicio 1991 )
> 16 ) items owned by caver Jim McLane
> 17 ) a small dormitory refrigerator
> 18 ) a small cot
> 19 ) large stainless steel serving plates ( XXL turkey-size )
> 20 ) a bottle of wine
> 21 ) a small kid-size bed, an oak futon, 
> 22 ) a rope owned by Oren Tranbarger
> 23 ) a rare un-used GHG patch circa 1992
> 24 ) a rare unused TSA patch from 1987
> 25 ) a heavily worn TSA shirt from 1987
> 26 ) various caving shirts to display including a never opened Bob&Bob 
> soda-straw shirt from 1988.
> 27 ) lots of miscellaneous garage-sale-type cr*p.
> 28 ) a decent National Geographic collection ( every issue from to 1955 to 
> 2003, and a few antique issues )
> 29 ) various books and magazines
> 30 ) Coleman camp stove.
> 31 ) tarp
> 32 ) large metal storage box
> 
> David Locklear
> 
> 
> P.S.  This is all assuming I live that long and can continue to pay the 
> monthly rent on my storage unit.
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[Texascavers] Sort of related to Gunnel's Cave

[David via Texascavers]

http://www.shelbycountytexashistory.net/neuvillecave.htm

The error in the height of the only room should read 20 feet.   However the
room is acute-trapezoid shaped with the top base being 3 feet, so there is
only head-room for about 20 standing people in that room.

Whatever trees they are referring to must have been removed.   It is a
pine-tree farm with about 15 year old trees all in rows.

One serious cave trip took place in 1999.  ( Which was the first attempt at
The East Texas Caver's Cookout. )

A.S.S. had 4 trips in the late 80s, mostly just me and another caver.

One of the few caves that my estranged-brother ever went in with me.

I bet locals frequent this cave monthly and drink beer and smoke in it.

7 miles due south of the town of Center, just a 1/2 mile west of the
highway to San Augustine.

David Locklear
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[Texascavers] FW: Join Us for Cave Resources of Tenneess. (Tennessee has the best of everything in caving)

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From Debbie Spoons.

Chuck is an outstanding photography and has some great pictures of TAG Caves.

Geary,



Cavers,
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the heart of TAG, "caving heaven" Please attend this awesome webinar and 
forward this to your email list.

Cave safely,
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Thanks for writing.

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 11:16 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This has not happened to my knowledge but has been discussed as an 
> alternative for at least one cave recently.
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Has TCMA ever leased a cave? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a 
>>> strong organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with 
>>> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located 
>>> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope 
>>> of the TCMA at this time.
>>> 
>>> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the 
>>> TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a 
>>> cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will 
>>> give a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This 
>>> will also mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by 
>>> cavers so they can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries 
>>> recorded for posterity. 
>>> 
>>>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is 
>>> on is for sale at this time. 
>>> 
>>> Gregg
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
 
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting 
> :) Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Scott Cogburn 
> GHG
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>> 
>> Gregg
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Great story
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many 
>>> stories in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>> 
>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 
>>> Years of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>>> 
>>> LowGun
>>> 
>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and 
>>> Nick Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two 
>>> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave 
>>> where they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant 
>>> unexplored section of the cave.
>>> 
>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, 
>>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and 
>>> met up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving 
>>> at the bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators 
>>> feigned dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm 
>>> reaction of Jan and Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised 
>>> them with sunlight coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Gregg Williams via Texascavers]

This has not happened to my knowledge but has been discussed as an
alternative for at least one cave recently.

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 10:23 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Has TCMA ever leased a cave?
>
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a
> strong organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with
> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located
> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope
> of the TCMA at this time.
>
> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with
> the TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there
> isn't a cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase
> will give a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives.
> This will also mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by
> cavers so they can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries
> recorded for posterity.
>
>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight
> is on is for sale at this time.
>
> Gregg
>
> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving?
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
>>
>> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting
>> :) Thanks for sharing!
>>
>> Scott Cogburn
>> GHG
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of.
>>
>> Gregg
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Great story
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>>
>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers <
>>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside
>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in
>>> the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>>
>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his *50
>>> Years of Texas Caving* pp. 458-467.
>>> It is better than my synopsis below.
>>>
>>> LowGun
>>>
>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and
>>> Nick Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two
>>> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where
>>> they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant
>>> unexplored section of the cave.
>>>
>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance,
>>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met
>>> up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the
>>> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay
>>> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and
>>> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight
>>> coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[John Brooks via Texascavers]

It has been discussed in the past - but no, TCMA has not "leased" any caves.

But it seems like a good way to secure access to caves that people would like 
to visit.

It is a shame that Beasley's Cave just sold. It might have been too large of a 
property. But a gyp cave would have made a nice addition to the TCMA.

John Brooks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:23 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Has TCMA ever leased a cave? 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a strong 
>> organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with 
>> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located 
>> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope 
>> of the TCMA at this time.
>> 
>> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the 
>> TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a 
>> cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will give 
>> a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This will 
>> also mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by cavers so 
>> they can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries recorded 
>> for posterity. 
>> 
>>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is 
>> on is for sale at this time. 
>> 
>> Gregg
>> 
>>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
>>> 
 On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
 
 I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting 
 :) Thanks for sharing!
 
 Scott Cogburn 
 GHG
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
> 
> Gregg
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Great story
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories 
>> in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>> 
>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 
>> Years of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>> 
>> LowGun
>> 
>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and 
>> Nick Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two 
>> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave 
>> where they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant 
>> unexplored section of the cave.
>> 
>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, 
>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and 
>> met up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving 
>> at the bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators 
>> feigned dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm 
>> reaction of Jan and Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised 
>> them with sunlight coming through the new entrance.
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[Texascavers] The Proposed Texas Speleological Foundation Headquarters

[David via Texascavers]

In the event, such a structure were to ever be built, I am currently able
to offer the following. 30 plus items for donation to be used there.

1)  1 bookshelf
2 ) 1 respectable speleo-library
3 )  old office furniture and equipment for a small office
4 )  old furniture ( coffee table, end table, loveseat-bed )
5 ) 1 metal storage rack
6 ) 3 plastic tote boxes.
7 ) a tool box with some tools
8 ) a vinyl LP and cassette and CD collection of 70's music
9 ) a white-gas lantern
10 ) plastic folding table and plastic folding chair
11 ) a nice work-bench
12 ) 100 plastic drinking glasses for a fancy party ( used once in 2001 )
13 ) various decorative antiques such as a 1950-ish brass backpacker stove
14 ) a decorative old picture of the UT campus from 1949.
15 ) some vertical gear to put on display ( inchworm system used by Carl
Philip Fromen in Precipicio 1991 )
16 ) items owned by caver Jim McLane
17 ) a small dormitory refrigerator
18 ) a small cot
19 ) large stainless steel serving plates ( XXL turkey-size )
20 ) a bottle of wine
21 ) a small kid-size bed, an oak futon,
22 ) a rope owned by Oren Tranbarger
23 ) a rare un-used GHG patch circa 1992
24 ) a rare unused TSA patch from 1987
25 ) a heavily worn TSA shirt from 1987
26 ) various caving shirts to display including a never opened Bob&Bob
soda-straw shirt from 1988.
27 ) lots of miscellaneous garage-sale-type cr*p.
28 ) a decent National Geographic collection ( every issue from to 1955 to
2003, and a few antique issues )
29 ) various books and magazines
30 ) Coleman camp stove.
31 ) tarp
32 ) large metal storage box

David Locklear


P.S.  This is all assuming I live that long and can continue to pay the
monthly rent on my storage unit.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

Has TCMA ever leased a cave? 

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 10:07 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a strong 
> organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with 
> organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located 
> on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope of 
> the TCMA at this time.
> 
> Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the 
> TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a 
> cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will give 
> a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This will also 
> mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by cavers so they 
> can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries recorded for 
> posterity. 
> 
>  Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is 
> on is for sale at this time. 
> 
> Gregg
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting 
>>> :) Thanks for sharing!
>>> 
>>> Scott Cogburn 
>>> GHG
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
 
 Gregg
 
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> Great story
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
> 
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories 
> in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
> 
> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 
> Years of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
> It is better than my synopsis below. 
> 
> LowGun
> 
> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two 
> members of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave 
> where they had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant 
> unexplored section of the cave.
> 
> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, 
> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met 
> up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at 
> the bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned 
> dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of 
> Jan and Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with 
> sunlight coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Gregg Williams via Texascavers]

That's a great idea Bill. The TCMA has committed itself to building a
strong organizational foundation so it can, in the future, partner with
organizations to purchase large tracts with caves. Midnight cave is located
on a very large ranch and big purchases like that are not within the scope
of the TCMA at this time.

Currently the TCMA is actively engaged in the purchase of property with the
TSS to house the yet unnamed Texas caving headquarters. While there isn't a
cave on the property and it is a little less exciting the purchase will
give a permanent home to Texas caving and it's assets and archives. This
will also mean that the TSS's archives will be more easily accessed by
cavers so they can find that new big project or get  their new discoveries
recorded for posterity.

 Also, as far as I know there is no reason to believe the ranch Midnight is
on is for sale at this time.

Gregg

On Mon, Nov 6, 2017 at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving?
>
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
>
> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting
> :) Thanks for sharing!
>
> Scott Cogburn
> GHG
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of.
>
> Gregg
>
> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
>> Great story
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>
>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers <
>> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>>
>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside
>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in
>> the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>
>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his *50
>> Years of Texas Caving* pp. 458-467.
>> It is better than my synopsis below.
>>
>> LowGun
>>
>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick
>> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members
>> of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had
>> pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section
>> of the cave.
>>
>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance,
>> and pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met
>> up with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the
>> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay
>> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and
>> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight
>> coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[travis--- via Texascavers]

Midnight Cave is in the center of a large ranch.  The new owners have no 
intention of splitting it out of the existing property.  They are being 
wonderful stewards of the cave so it is not an issue for now.  

 

TCMA has an acquisition board that is actively looking for opportunities to buy 
good caves, in time, more will come!!

 

Travis

 

 

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Bill Steele via Texascavers
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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

 

How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 


On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C mailto:scotts.la...@yahoo.com> > wrote:

I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting :) 
Thanks for sharing!

 

Scott Cogburn 

GHG

Sent from my iPhone


On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 

 

Gregg

 

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

Great story

 

 

Sent from my iPhoneiPhone


On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> > wrote:

In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside Midnight 
Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in the lore of 
the Carta Valley cavers.

Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years of 
Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
It is better than my synopsis below. 

LowGun

The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick Lucas 
a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members of the 
team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had pushed 
through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section of the 
cave.

The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up with 
Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the bottom of 
the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay and 
consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and Orion. A 
brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight coming through the 
new entrance.

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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Scott C via Texascavers]

--- Begin Message ---
TCMA...That’s totally awesome caving stuff, of course! 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:11 AM, Bill Steele via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
>> 
>> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting :) 
>> Thanks for sharing!
>> 
>> Scott Cogburn 
>> GHG
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>>> 
>>> Gregg
>>> 
 On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 Great story
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
 
 On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
  wrote:
 
 In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
 Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories 
 in the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
 
 Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years 
 of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
 It is better than my synopsis below. 
 
 LowGun
 
 The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
 Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members 
 of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they 
 had pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored 
 section of the cave.
 
 The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
 pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up 
 with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the 
 bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned 
 dismay and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of 
 Jan and Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with 
 sunlight coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Bill Steele via Texascavers]

How about the TCMA acquiring Midnight Cave and more caves for caving? 

> On Nov 6, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Scott C  wrote:
> 
> I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting :) 
> Thanks for sharing!
> 
> Scott Cogburn 
> GHG
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
>> 
>> Gregg
>> 
>>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> Great story
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>>> 
>>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside 
>>> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in 
>>> the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>>> 
>>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years 
>>> of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>>> 
>>> LowGun
>>> 
>>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
>>> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members 
>>> of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had 
>>> pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section 
>>> of the cave.
>>> 
>>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
>>> pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up 
>>> with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the 
>>> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay 
>>> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and 
>>> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight 
>>> coming through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

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I totally agree with Gregg. This is real caving stuff that is interesting :) 
Thanks for sharing!

Scott Cogburn 
GHG

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> On Nov 6, 2017, at 8:41 AM, Gregg Williams via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of. 
> 
> Gregg
> 
>> On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> Great story
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>> 
>> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside Midnight 
>> Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in the lore 
>> of the Carta Valley cavers.
>> 
>> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his 50 Years 
>> of Texas Caving pp. 458-467.
>> It is better than my synopsis below. 
>> 
>> LowGun
>> 
>> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick 
>> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members 
>> of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had 
>> pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section 
>> of the cave.
>> 
>> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and 
>> pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up 
>> with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the 
>> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay 
>> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and 
>> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight coming 
>> through the new entrance.
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Re: [Texascavers] Midnight Cave -- Lower Entrance

[Gregg Williams via Texascavers]

This sort of stuff is what this email list should have more of.

Gregg

On Sun, Nov 5, 2017 at 9:27 AM, James Jasek via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Great story
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhoneiPhone
>
> On Nov 5, 2017, at 9:21 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> In Carl's message about digging open the lower entrance from inside
> Midnight Cave, he didn't mention what happened next--one of many stories in
> the lore of the Carta Valley cavers.
>
> Carl's original version is in the chapter on Midnight Cave in his *50
> Years of Texas Caving* pp. 458-467.
> It is better than my synopsis below.
>
> LowGun
>
> The successful dig gave Carl Kunath, Ron Bridgemon, Chuck Pease, and Nick
> Lucas a rare opportunity to play a devilish trick on the other two members
> of the team. Jan and Orion Knox were at the back of the cave where they had
> pushed through the tortuous Corkscrew into a significant unexplored section
> of the cave.
>
> The dig crew exited the new entrance, walked over to the pit entrance, and
> pulled up the rope. They reentered through the lower entrance and met up
> with Jan and Orion, who were not told of the discovery. Arriving at the
> bottom of the pit entrance to find no rope, the conspirators feigned dismay
> and consternation, but were disappointed at the calm reaction of Jan and
> Orion. A brief quest for another way out surprised them with sunlight
> coming through the new entrance.
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