Re: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Los Tayos in Ecuador?  Didn't some cavers take Neil Armstrong there? 
Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks LaneDriftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Sunday, January 3, 2021, 06:07:07 PM CST, Reddell, James R 
 wrote:  
 
 Did they mention the treasure the aliens left when they made the cave?
James Cokendolpher and I described a new genus and species of troglobitic 
Schizomida (Tayos ashmolei) from the cave. JamesFrom: Texascavers 
 on behalf of Mark Minton 

Sent: Sunday, January 3, 2021 4:25 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; 'Southwestern 
Cavers of the National Speleological Society' 
Subject: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos 
Interesting article about “the world’s most mysterious cave”: 
. The 
article mentions cavers needing to get both permission from the locals and the 
blessing of the cave itself, a scenario familiar to recent Huautla cavers. The 
cave appears to be huge, but surprisingly a geologist was quoted saying that it 
was only 25,000 – 30,000 years old. Also of note was that the recent visitors 
rappelled in, but were hauled out by the locals—up a 200-foot drop!

 

Mark Minton
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Re: [Texascavers] Cueva de los Tayos

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks for sharing!
-Andy
Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD 700 Billie Brooks LaneDriftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 
799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com 

On Monday, January 4, 2021, 09:54:55 AM CST, Bill Steele 
 wrote:  
 
 
Speaking of first-person-on-the-moon Neil Armstrong, I methim and spoke with 
him about the caving expedition he went on to Cueva de losTayos in Ecuador.  
Through my job as anational-level staff member of the Boy Scouts of America, I 
worked with aviatorSteve Fossett. Fossett died in a plane crash. I went to his 
memorial in Chicago.I spotted Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, Scott Carpenter, and 
Richard Bransonthere. 

After the memorial there was a reception in a big hall overlookingLake 
Michigan. The event was at the Adler Planetarium. I was talking withpeople and 
saw Neil Armstrong and his wife entering the hall. The body languageof the 
people was interesting. One of the world’s most famous people and peoplewere 
jockeying to be in his path to meet him. I didn’t worry about it and gotanother 
scotch instead. 

A little while later I realized that Armstrong and wife wereright behind me. I 
turned around, introduced myself, and said to Neil, “I knowabout the cave 
exploration expedition you went on in 1976 to a cave in Ecuadorwith the 
British.” 

He said, “You do, how do you know about that?” I told himthat I’m an active 
caver and pretty well read on it. He wanted to talk about it.He held out his 
hands to show me how big the spiders were in the jungle. Peoplestanding around 
seemed curious what we were talking about. I got the impressionthat Armstrong 
was tired of talking about the moon. 

A little while later I walked up to Buzz Aldrin, introducedmyself, and said, “I 
saw you on TV punch that guy who accosted you screaming thatthe moon landing 
was faked. 

Aldrin said, “Yeah, goddamnit, cost me $10,000 in lawyer’sfees, but it sure 
felt good when I connected!” as he held up his fist. 

Three years ago, I rented a car in London and drove aroundthe British Isles for 
three weeks. I contacted a caver couple I had met in Alberta,Canada at caver 
Mike Boon’s memorial. The couple invited me to stay with them afew days in 
Leeds, England, and I did. In their hallway I saw a photo of theman of the 
couple posing with Neil Armstrong in Cueva de los Tayos. He’d partneredwith 
Armstrong on the expedition. 

And Sir Richard Branson, the Virgin Records and airline guy,I only met him 
while standing at a urinal. I said hello. I did not shake his hand.
Bill Steele 
speleoste...@aol.com
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RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Why not volunteer, Fritz?  There are several state parks within a short 
distance of your new home.  All of them could use some help.  Or, if your knees 
aren't up to it, get out your checkbook.  Parks is only $4M short at this 
point.  Parks has been hit hard but my division (Wildlife) has also taken some 
big hits lately.  We took 20% staff cuts last year and now we aren't allowed to 
spend any of the money that is supposedly sitting in the coffers.  Things are 
going to get much worse before they get better and we need any kind of help we 
can get.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
To: "'caverarch'" , "lmcn...@austin.rr.com" 

Cc: "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 10:19 AM




 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 











My comment on the culverts was one of
uninformed conclusion. Admittedly I didn’t consider the fire debris but I
must wonder what condition the culverts were in before the fires. Had they been
asked, I would believe that many would have volunteered to help or do such
chores and maintenance in our beloved and (once) beautiful state park(s). Thank
goodness the treasured CCC built structures were saved.
 Texas has many thousands of birders (and not
all are senior citizens) and nature enthusiasts who would enjoy working on
behalf of TP&W. I am in the process of buying acreage property five miles NE
of Dripping Springs which is about 25 minutes from my daughter’s home on
2244. When I drive to Austin it is heartbreaking
to see the devastation to the forest and homes just east of
 Bastrop . It confirms my belief that I never
want to be without property insurance. It was not my intent to imply neglect on
the part of TP&W employees. I hold them in high regard for doing an often
thankless job. 

   

Fritz 

   









From: caverarch
[mailto:cavera...@aol.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012
9:15 AM

To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com ;
 Fritz Holt

Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new
sinkhole drains pond in south Austin 



   

Fritz, I imagine that the
 Bastrop
 State Park soils, laid bare of
vegetation by the fire and no longer held in place by living root
systems, was easy to erode, as well, in such a deluge.  



   





But
while Logan is
right that no amount of volunteers could have averted this particular disaster,
I think he would also agree that our parks are all deteriorating in a less
dramatic but inevitable fashion due to gutting of the state parks staffs and
maintenance funds all across the state.   



Roger Moore 



   



-Original
Message-

From: Logan McNatt < lmcn...@austin.rr.com >

To: Fritz Holt 


Cc: Texas Cavers 


Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:47 pm

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south
 Austin 



Fritz,



Joe Datri posted a good photo of the sinkhole on the U.T. Grotto Facebook
page.  A lot of dirt and rubble in the bottom to be removed.  Cavers
are working on getting permission to enter.  I hope the city or whoever is
in charge decides to leave it open, but I have no idea what will happen.



Regarding the culverts at Bastrop 
 State Park , the staff is
short-handed and dealing with layoffs and budget cutbacks as are most of the
state parks.  Not to mention the drought and one of the worst fires in
 Texas history. 
Even if they had an army of volunteers to clean out all the culverts after the
fire, enough pine needles and other debris have fallen that the culverts would
have clogged up again very quickly during the deluge.







On 1/30/2012 12:13 PM, Fritz Holt 
wrote:  





May this sinkhole be currently viewed?
Will this water quality pond be repaired or allowed to remain as a recharge
circuit to the aquifer? 





  





Whether it would have averted the problem
or not, it seems the park authorities should have forseen this possibility and
kept the culverts clear of debris. 





  





Fritz, with hindsight 





  













From: Logan McNatt
[mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] 

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012
4:49 PM

To: Texas
 Cavers

Subject: [Texascavers] new
sinkhole drains pond in south Austin 







  





Thanks to Peter
Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information; original source
unknown.  The early morning storm of Jan 25th dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain
over much of Travis and Bastrop 
counties in 6 to 10 hours.  I didn't see anything in the news about this
sinkhole. 







  









The huge water quality pond located
at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor Trails" (inc.
Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to empty during this morning's
storm.  Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was
leaking.  Few storms had tested the pond over the last few months,
but this one clearly revealed the issue.  The liner gave way
(

[Texascavers] Free tickets to Ale Fest

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have two tickets to Ale Fest in SA. Gates open at 1pm on Oct 15.  Free to 
good home. 

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR - be alert!

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I never leave home without my tongs and sack.  Considering Murphy's Law, that 
pretty much guarantees that there will be no snake sightings at TCR.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Heather Tucek  wrote:

> For those of you heading to TCR this weekend.. The temperatures have been 
> perfect for snake activity, so be watchful of where you step, especially if 
> you go anywhere off-trail!!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Go find out!
> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> trog...@cavechat.org

Re: [Texascavers] a new LED flashlight

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I agree with Jerry.  How about every time someone complains about DL on CT, 
they have to provide an interesting post as a sort of "reader's time" fine?  DL 
has been posting such things on CT as long as there has been limestone in TX.  
It is like the weather: get used to it.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Sat, 10/15/11, jerryat...@aol.com  wrote:


From: jerryat...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a new LED flashlight
To: gprichm...@gmail.com, dlocklea...@gmail.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, October 15, 2011, 10:50 PM





While I might not agree with  all of the emails that appear on CaveTex, I 
certainly can't fault David for posting information on new models or cheap 
deals on LED-related lights.  They might not be of particular interest to me  
that day, but it's not really that much trouble to delete them.
 
What I do find troubling is singling David out for not caving as often as 
others (or at least the perception that a "real" caver actually goes 
underground XX times per month).  Of the several hundred cavers that supposedly 
reside in Texas, most do not go caving on any regular basis.  Some of them, 
like David, also post on CaveTex.  And some of their postings can also be 
annoying to those that have narrow interests and/or small hearts.
 
So let's give old David a break.  It seems easier to me to hit the delete key 
than try to stab him in the eye.
 
Jerry.
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:10:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
gprichm...@gmail.com writes:

Cheap LED lights are not novel or new. 
 
 I really want to stay tied into the Texas community via Cave Text.  This is 
only possible if I don't need to delete five of your emails a day that are only 
tangentially related to caving.   OT emails are fine as the exception, but when 
they become the rule (and happen many times per a day) the list serve suffers.  
Same goes for the GHG list serve.
 
Actually, I think a new rule, for you personally, would be to have 10 emails 
per every actual caving trip(undergroundnot TCR type stuff).  I would put 
up with more of your emails if I knew you were actually getting underground.   
For example,  you would need to go caving every weekend for the next ten years 
to get you to even.  If you were to do that, I am sure your emails would be 
much more interesting, and most importantly, pertinent to the caving community.
 
Cheers,
 
GP


 

Re: [Texascavers] a cool caver-type project

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Hah!  Nico was wandering about Saturday night with a tall bottle of the only 
thing known to kill cooties (or at least make you not care).  
 
Seriously, I tried tubbing nekkid and I was told I would have to buy another 
wristband for my "friend".  
 
No really, I jumped in nekkid and came out wearing a black wool sweater.  
What's with that?
 
Honestly, I think I see enough of most of you as it is.  
 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 (yes I know they put chlorine in it but still)


Nico

Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

200,000 on a Blazer?  That's remarkable, for a Chevy.  That wouldn't deserve 
notice if it were a 'yota.  Just think, you could have logged those miles in a 
comfy Toy instead of a rattlebox Blazer
 
My last Toyota-the Land Cruiser: purchased with 127,000 miles, drove the HELL 
out of it, and sold it at 267K.  It did require a new tranny near the end of my 
tenure but it is still out there with a "new" factory 5-speed.  I think Terry's 
has twice that mileage and is still going strong.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Thu, 10/27/11, Don Cooper  wrote:


From: Don Cooper 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!
To: "Stefan Creaser" 
Cc: "bmorgan...@aol.com" , "texascavers@texascavers.com" 

Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 11:05 AM


The story itself is the point, not the destination.
(HOW long have you been reading Sleazewheeze's posts on Cave Tex???)

Though not frequently challenged - my 21 yr old S-10 Blazer did turn
200,000 mi the other day.
It's been holding its own while THREE other R-22 Toyota's I know of
have lunched their motors FIVE times.
(Something to be said of old technology - pushrods, low compression
and large displacement.
Maybe I just know how to treat my toys right.)

-WaV

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:
> You mean you drove all that way for one snake and a couple of lizards? ;-)
>
>
>
> From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com]
>
> Despite it being a summer day it was cold as hell up there. There seemed to
> be no chance of finding any snakes, but when I complained an ancient cowboy
> looked around and pointed at a pine tree. There to my amazement was a little
> twin spotted rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei) climbing straight up the tree
> caterpillar style. There were also a few cold numbed alligator lizards.
> Clouds closed in and we were nearly out of beer so it was time to depart.
>
>
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[Texascavers] Bats and Roads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

A recent study looked at impact of roads on bats:
 
http://www.sciencenewsline.com/biology/200206500032.html
 


Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

Re: [Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those specimens belong in a museum (or in a cave), not on someone's 
bookshelf.  Also, BT oughtta fess up that the fossils are coming from a part of 
the cave on his neighbor's property, not his.

Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 





From: Fofo 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Mon, August 1, 2011 11:28:05 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave

¡Hola!

Here's an article that I saw today about Twinkie's Cave in Comal County.

http://www.khou.com/news/Local-man-makes-prehistoric-discovery-in-his-own-backyard-125157069.html


Or    http://tinyurl.com/3lynqxr

The text of the article is below.

Take care,

    - Fofo

--

SAN ANTONIO -- Somewhere in Comal County is a small parcel of private land full 
of breathtaking views. Hidden amidst the beauty is a mysterious entrance to the 
unknown.
Inside, there is not much space, and it quickly goes from dry to wet. That’s 
because it's a cave full of spring-fed water. And there are plenty of creatures 
living inside.

“There's a small colony of bats in there,” said William “BT” Price, who owns 
the 
land.

Price bought the land where the hidden cave is located two years ago. Now, he's 
a retired banker who's become an explorer of his own backyard.

The cave is at least a mile in length. Price and friends are constantly pushing 
the limits by going into areas where the water and ceiling are separated by 
inches.

“It can be very dangerous --  very, very dangerous -- if it's not done right,” 
said Price.

Within the unknown lies a familiar treasure from prehistoric times: fossils.

“Here's some pieces of mastodon teeth,” said Kurt Menking, who has helped Price 
discover the fossils.

Some of the most exotic discoveries include an almost complete skull of a 
Homotherium, an animal that was part of the saber-tooth tiger family.

Other remains are from beasts you only hear about in movies, like 10-foot-tall, 
8,000-pound sloths.

Concordia University biology professor Laurence Meissner is just one of a few 
professionals to verify the recent discovery.

“Yes, they're legitimate fossils. They lived in the late Ice Age. Probably went 
extinct around 10 to 15 thousand years ago,” Meissner said.

Experts like Meissner said it’s very rare to find fossils in Texas, especially 
animals like the Homotherium found in the local cave.

“It just gives us a record of the past. It tells us what life used to be like 
10 
to 20,000 years ago and it shows there's been substantial change in the 
environment here,” Meissner said.

Price said he plans to continue seeking more fossils in the area he’s dubbed 
“Twinkie’s Cave,” named after his fiancée’s dog.

Price’s long-term goal is to have the fossils preserved, then donate the cave 
to 
either a caving group or to state-funded paleontology organizations that have 
seen funding cuts due to budget woes.

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Re: [Texascavers] UK Caver looking to explore Texas cave.

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

There's an overnight/survey trip/birthday celebration at CM Cave on the 20th of 
August.  Contact Terry Holsinger.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Robert Tait  wrote:


From: Robert Tait 
Subject: [Texascavers] UK Caver looking to explore Texas cave.
To: "tai...@gmail.com" 
Cc: "texascavers@texascavers.com" , 
"graham.gr...@ni.com" , "gakgr...@gmail.com" 

Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 8:11 PM


A buddy of mine from the UK will be in Austin for a couple of weeks.  

Grahm Is experienced in wet, and vertical caves, but left his kit on the other 
side of the pond, and will have to borrow gear. 

Willing to help survey.

Please, don't make me send him to explore Airman's alone.

His email is on the cc line.

Thanks! 

Rob (now) from Upstate NY


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Re: [Texascavers] Two birds with one stone

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The problem is dipsh*ts who think that even joking about killing children is 
funny.  Don't even get me started about mandatory car seats for kids: dipsh*t 
parents doesn't mean the kids deserve to die for their mistakes.  
Don't like living on a crowded planet?  Take a deep breath and hold it...  
forever.  Whining about it on texcavers is hardly proactive.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 8/8/11, bmorgan...@aol.com  wrote:


From: bmorgan...@aol.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Two birds with one stone
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:52 AM



So you get two birds with one stone, maybe more if he hits a schoolbus while 
searching for kiddie porn on his smartphone. What's the prob?
 
Sleaze
 
>I believe that we have way too many people on the planet and 
>anything we can do to eliminate some of the dummies, I'm all 
>for.  That is why I'm opposed to mandatory seat belt laws, child car 
>seats, texting bans, and helmet laws.  If you aren't smart enough to 
>do these things out of common sense, you probably shouldn't be reproducing.

         The trouble with some of that logic, like texting bans, is 
that the perpetrator can easily survive the accident while the 
innocent bystander who gets crashed into may die.  There's no 
protective logic in that one.

Mark Minton

Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Well,
  You absolutely must read Carl Hiassen's book, Sick Puppy.  A fictional 
portayal of the guv in question plays a prominent role.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 8/8/11, tbsam...@verizon.net  wrote:


From: tbsam...@verizon.net 
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
To: mmin...@caver.net
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:29 AM



Fla. Guvs. SKINK =  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Tyree
 

Tyree was Governor of Florida in the 1970s. He was everything desirable in a 
candidate: a native of Florida, a college football star, and a decorated 
Vietnam veteran. He was dazzlingly handsome, charismatic, and articulate. He 
was also a former English professor at the University of Florida, though 
politically most people saw this as a handicap rather than an asset.
To the surprise of the Florida establishment, he was also one of the few, if 
not the only, honest men to hold the office. After he turned down a bribe from 
real estate developers, the developers assumed he was holding out for more 
money, and came back offering a larger bribe, along with a foolproof scheme for 
concealing the money. To their astonishment, the governor not only refused 
again, but had them arrested in an F.B.I. sting.
Tyree was also vehemently opposed to runaway growth in Florida, and gained 
national recognition for his passionate speeches and legislative proposals to 
discourage tourism, curtail land development, and protect the environment. (For 
example, one of his proposed laws would have required any boat driver who 
killed a manatee to immediately forfeit his boat, pay a $10,000 fine or go to 
jail for forty-five days, and bury the dead animal himself at a public 
ceremony).
Appalled, a group of Florida special interests pooled their resources to 
neutralize the governor politically, by bribing majorities in the state cabinet 
and the legislature to ignore or reject all of his initiatives.
Years later, the executive assistant to the current governor reviews Tyree’s 
history, and marvels at the futility of his struggle:

As popular as Clinton Tyree had been with the common folk of Florida, he stood 
no chance – none whatsoever – of disabling the machinery of greed and 
converting the legislature into a body of foresight and honest ethics. It was 
boggling to think a sane person would even try.
On the same day that the crooked developers who had tried to bribe Tyree were 
convicted, but punished with nothing more than probation, the legislature voted 
unanimously (except for the governor) to sell the original wildlife preserve 
that they’d been after to another developer. On that day, Tyree quit and 
disappeared from the Governor's mansion. At first, Tyree was believed 
kidnapped, until a notarized letter of resignation was sent to the Capitol and 
verified by the FBI.
He became a wild hermit, living first in Harney County (a fictional Florida 
county), where he adopted the name "Skink,” and was simply viewed as an 
eccentric, albeit a potentially violent one.
Over the years, he makes infrequent appearances over South Florida, becoming 
something of an urban legend.
 



Aug 8, 2011 11:17:10 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:

At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:
>My favorite
>summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in
>Mexico after the 1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survival
>equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the
>largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a
>box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears,
>and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- 
>for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way
>from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his
>great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any
>money--not any--he may well not have any.

That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a 
governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to 
visit being good for the economy, he said something like, "They come 
with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't 
change either."

Mark Minton

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Snake Hunting**Texas law

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Correction-  The new "herp stamp" only applies to collecting along the public 
right-of-way.  Otherwise, you just need a regular ol' hunting license.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Herman Miller  wrote:


From: Herman Miller 
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
To: "Stefan Creaser" 
Cc: "tbsam...@verizon.net" , "cavefa...@yahoo.com" 
, "dlocklea...@gmail.com" , 
"texascavers@texascavers.com" 
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 11:09 AM


Jumping on the redneck band wagon... You will now need a special hunting 
license to go snake hunting...


On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:




Keep it down at the back, it’s not Friday yet.
 
-S.
 


From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:37 AM
To: cavefa...@yahoo.com
Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law



 

Not to mention:

 

On Thursday, the first day of the state’s fiscal year, Texans will be able to 
shoot feral hogs and coyotes from helicopters.

 

Wheedoggies! 




Sep 1, 2011 10:35:37 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:



However, it is now LAWFUL to fish for catfish by HAND. And I mean BY HAND!

Our Governor pushed through legislation to make fish noodling legal in Texas.


Thank goodness we have a Governor that cares about our wants and needs.
 


From: David 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law

It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.

Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.

David
( the real David, not the one from the future )

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Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

There's also a new law banning synthetic marijuana.  This means that any 
Locklear online, real or otherwise, is not as likely to seem funny.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
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Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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--- On Thu, 9/1/11, David  wrote:


From: David 
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law
To: "Cavers Texas" 
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 9:49 AM


It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.

Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.

David
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Re: [Texascavers] An evacuation bag...

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

My mother was forced to evacuate her farm a couple of years ago.  She had time 
to grab seven dogs, a cat, her computer, and a big jug of JD.  She says she has 
no regrets about her choices.
 
and a few years earlier
 
My (ex) stepmother, on the other hand, just *had* to go back to her place for 
one more carload of stuff.  All they found of her after the fire had moved on 
was burned bones and dental fillings.
 
Keep it simple.
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] fire readiness

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary legal papers 
and leaving it in the car.  My friends in San Francisco call it an earthquake 
kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods.  So sorry for everyone's losses.

 
Uhm, you might want to make copies of those documents and stash the originals 
elsewhere*.  I know folks who had that kind of stuff stolen out of a car during 
a move.  
 
*Unless your plan is to just keep driving.
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] Diggers

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

One more thing to sweeten the deal:

 
Rolling Oaks Club
 
FREE SWIM
 
Free Hot dogs
 
Meet the Neighbors
 
Saturday, May 28
 
1 - 8 pm
(hotdogs served 4 – 8 pm)
 
 
Membership Info Will Be Available
All are Welcome
 
Please bring your own drinks 
(no glass containers)

 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com





From: TM Raines 
To: TexasCavers 
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 11:21:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Diggers

Attention Diggers,

Ernie says he'll be around both Saturday and Sunday if cavers want to come out 
and dig in Kiwi Sink. The barrels are at the bottom empty, and if they get 
filled I can come over and haul them out.  Just alert Ernie at  512-847-0183.

Come On Out, Terry

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Re: [Texascavers] off-topic? ophidiophobia

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I deal with it almost every day. For those of you interested in snake hoaxes 
check out livingalongsidewildlife.com 
I can't  post my chupacabra story here since the pics are critical to the tale. 
 Yes, pics..

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Andy G. did mention one word you do not often see on this list:  
> ophidiophobia.  I had to look it up:  "abnormal fear of snakes".  Indiana 
> Jones had ophidiophobia.  Not to be confused with aphidiophobia.
> 
> LowGun  :-\ 

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight.  A dab of 
dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick.  Exceptional customer 
service.  They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is 
pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using 
the velcro they provide.  I just strap it down like every other battery pack.  
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 





From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

        Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. 
 
Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life.  
And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion.  They are small, lightweight, 
long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable 
types.  I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but 
with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet.
        For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving.  
It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any 
normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek.  According to their web site 
it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will 
encounter.  I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no 
problem.  The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a 
problem for me.  They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment.  They 
also 
have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of 
actual abuse for free.

Mark

At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's 
>still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it 
>is 
>more robustly made (for caving).
> 
> Looks like you can still get old ones:
> 
>http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics
>s
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300555317667
> 
> Cheers,
> Stefan
> 
> From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM
> To: Allan B. Cobb
> Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> Allan,
> 
> I like my Sten Light too.  It is not NOT a good waterproof light.  The 
> battery 
>contains circuitry.  The plug connection between the battery and the light is 
>a 
>portal for water. Not a good combination.  The risk can be lessen by coating 
>the 
>connection with dielectric grease.
> 
> The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo 
>Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day.  
>Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of 
>the most robust.  Mine is a twenty plus years old.  If I have not killed, it 
>is 
>not for lack of trying.  I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with 
>water with no ill effect.  But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no 
>longer the bright light.
> 
> Josh
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb  wrote:
> I am really fond of my Sten light.  It is not cheap but it is dependable, 
>robust, and fairly water resistant.
> 
> In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked 
> well 
>for me.  I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work 
>just fine.
> 
> Allan
> 
> From: Tim Stich
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: Allan B. Cobb
> Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money 
>out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But 
>for caving I would want a much tougher light.
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb  wrote:
> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Don Arburn
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
> To: Mallory Mayeux
> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> Wheatlamp!
> 
> Don's iPhone.
> 
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:
> Hello Cavers!
> 
> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some 
>opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the 
>money, is there something else you would recommend?
> 
> Mallory

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[Texascavers] Fw: FW: Texas snake

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The story and image are complete nonsense.  The snake in the pic is an Eastern 
diamondback rattlesnake, not found in Texas.  Besides, does that really look 
like Coleman, TX to you?  The whole nonrattling/pigs thing is baloney.  Funny, 
these were originally travelling the interweb as separate hoaxes and some 
genius 
decided to combine them.  The most recent version out there has been edited 
to occur in Georgia!  Do us all a favor and slap the person who sent this to 
you 
(Fritz, I owe you one).


Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 

[Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

[Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Don't freak out man. Fritz had ccd texascaver.  Turns out it was marks 
addy. My reply bounced as they often do so I replayed.  Sorry for the fusion.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Rod Goke  wrote:

> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz!  More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
>  
> Andy
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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt  wrote:

> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended 
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
>  
> Fritz
>  
> From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
> goodidea)
>  
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod. 
> 
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> From: Fritz Holt 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; 
> texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
>  
> Rod,
>  
> I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff on 
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s 
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate. 
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I 
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is 
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism, 
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on 
> keeping on.
>  
> Fritz
>  
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
>  
> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz!  More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
>  
> Andy
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Re: [Texascavers] bat pseudoscience

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bill,
  Your much-improved map showing the true economic value of bats did not come 
through.  Perhaps you could send it to me as an attachment?  In any caset would 
be great to have an accurate estimate of the actual economic value of these 
organisms, lest someone start arguing that they are worth retaining on the 
roster of extant species.  

Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards,
Andy




From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:07:08 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] bat pseudoscience

The April 1 issue of Science contains a "policy forum" note that estimates bats 
provide roughly 22 billion dollars of ecological services to agriculture in the 
US each year, with a (immense) range of $4 billion to $53 billion. How do they 
come up with this number? Well, they take estimates for the cotton crop in 
eight 
Texas counties in the vicinity of Texas's large bat caves. Then they assume the 
same value per acre for all the harvested crop area in the entire United 
States. 
Honest.

There is a color-coded map in the article showing the alleged savings in each 
US 
county based on the Texas per-acre value. But the idiots colored the map on the 
basis of supposed saving per county, not per acre, so larger counties get a 
darker color. Maybe that's why bats seem to have great benefit in northern 
North 
Dakota and Montana, where there are few bats (and no cotton).

The Texas cotton-crop estimate comes from a paper that comes up as the top 
choice if you Google "Economic value of the pest control service provided by 
Brazilian free-tailed bats in south-central Texas". I can't seem to discover 
the 
actual URL that points to. That short paper (Frontiers of Ecology and the 
Environment 4(5)238-243) has thirteen alleged authors, which is scandalous. The 
paper does a decent job of incorporating uncertainties in the various numbers 
it 
uses, which explains the huge range, more than an order of magnitude, but there 
are a lot of other assumptions in the paper that raise questions.

These are the people who want tax money to study white-nose syndrome. -- Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "Yes, the things 
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
everything works." That's when I wake up.

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[Texascavers] Dig it

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Anyone who wants to dig on Kiwi's Sink is welcome to contact me.  Kiwi's is 
currently the longest cave in Rolling Oaks (i.e. "The Caverhood") and has the 
potential to tie into the massive lost caverns below the Blanco River as well 
as 
Jacob's Well.  Well, maybe that is an extremely low potential but it is still a 
promising cave.  We think the BIG passage is just behind a few more rocks...

Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
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From: "mark.al...@l-3com.com" 
To: S S ; texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:47:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...


Agreed and you’re correct that there are a lot of little projects that are 
conducted “by one or two people that could be included in a larger project”.
 
This has been one of my biggest and oldest pet peeves, going all the way back 
when I was a new member at the DFW Grotto.
 
These less than well-publicized (read “secret”?) trips to caves that only a 
chosen few ever hear about or get invited on.
 
Surely, there’s a way to keep the amount of folks attending to a reasonable 
level while still being inclusive to other cavers, new or experienced.
 
I don’t recall ever conducting a project weekend that was not publicized and 
the 
number of folks who attended was always manageable.
 
If you want only 6 or 8 cavers, say so!
 
 
Inclusiveness equals interest, participation, enthusiasm and a healthy 
TSA/Grotto.
 
 
Cliquishness equals poor/no camaraderie, disinterest, and a loss of members.
 
 
The UT Grotto has been very good at getting new cavers underground, primarily 
at 
Whirlpool, which is an excellent beginner cave.
 
The Longhorn Project, which I am in charge of, was a blast, before and after 
ICS 
and helped get a lot of new cavers underground, primarily from and a big thanks 
to the Aggie Grotto!
 
 
If you have a “Grotto Only” trip, surely you can advertise it on CaveTex and 
allow a few more other cavers from cave poor areas of the state (read “DFW”) to 
attend.
 
If you want to limit the size, say so, but, Publicize, Publicize, Publicize!
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
From:S S [mailto:back2scool...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:27 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
 
We need more caving trip events to local cavesWhirlpool, Airmans, Blowing 
Sink, Organized Digs?..Hard bargin.   I don't think there are enough trips to 
keep people interested.  Digs are always a good project and a great way to move 
a ton of material in a small time. Surely there must be some projects out there 
being worked on one bucket at a time by one or two people that could be 
included 
in a larger project.  VOlonteers love projects...
 



From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:30:06 -0500
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
CC: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
 
But, what can the TSA do for you!
 
 
Michael Cicherski emailed the TSA officers this query and we all would like to 
solicit your (constructive and positive) ideas, improvements, likes/dislikes, 
and things you would like to see the TSA do.
 
 
 From Michael:
> 
>What can we (the TSA) do for the remainder of the year to make a difference? 
>Is 
>there anything that we can pro-actively to show the TSA is the premier caving 
>organization in the State? How can we make the TSA the “place to go” for all 
>things caving?
> 
>I will be up front and say that I have no answers to my own question. It is 
>more 
>of a question that we need to ponder as we move into the summer months. With 
>the 
>exception of the Texas Caver and TSA Convention we are relatively dormant 
>during 
>these summer months. Perhaps we could have 2 -4 training classes at TCR in 
>October. Workshops limited to the first 25 cavers on such topics as cave 
>photography, vertical beginner, vertical advance, cartography beginner, 
>cartography advanced. 
>
> 
> 
>We currently have around 150 members and it has fluctuated around there since 
>I 
>have been an officer. The officers and I are interested in building more 
>excitement and enthusiasm for the TSA, which will then bring in more members.
> 
>I just attended a superb climbing class conducted by Lloyd Turnbull and the 
>Cowtown Grotto. These are the type of things we’re interested in promoting and 
>conducting.
> 
>So now is your chance! Rather than listen to me browbeat y’all about needing 
>material for The TEXAS CAVER (which, I still do!) get your thinking caps on 
>and 
>send us some feedback!
>If you would like to volunteer to head something up, don’t be shy about that, 
>as 
>well!
> 
>I will be out of commission for the next couple of days getting a couple of 
>kidney stones annihilated, but while you’re sending 

Re: [Texascavers] Helmet

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Ecrin Roc.  You'll need to trim/sand down the angle on the plastic mounting 
bracket to fit the curve on the front of the helmet.  This is true with many 
helmets.  I like the ERoc because I can feed the wires from the battery through 
the vent holes and clips and then out to the light.  It reduces the exposure 
of cables to snag on the outside.  Very nice.   Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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From: Floyd Hebert 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Helmet

I was going to ask everyone what caving helmet to get, but I thought that might 
be to vague. So, I'll ask it this way: What helmet would you mount a Stenlight 
on?

Thanks,
Floyd

Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Pretty good story overall.  Thanks for sharing.


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Geary Schindel 
To: 'Peter Jones' ; DONALD G.DAVIS  
Cc: Southwestern Region  
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story
 

As my boss once told me "I'll never hold you accountable for what you said to 
the press, only what the press said you said".

Misquotes are a common part of the job.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzq2vr_scientists-study-aquifer-contamination_news#.UY01JbXU_zA

Here is a little piece on tracer testing we did for the National Groundwater 
Association - groundwater summit that was held here in San Antonio a week ago. 
A local TV station wanted to do a short piece on the aquifer. They actually did 
a pretty good job considering WHO they had to work with.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:35 AM
To: DONALD G.DAVIS
Cc: Southwestern Region
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story

As I said to Peter Youngbaer, who commented that Hazel had been at the gates of 
hell in the past, perhaps she's the Gatekeeper..

Peter




On May 9, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

>> I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have 
>> been confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off 
>> camera. I gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 
>> leagues under the sea" where it was referring to distance and not 
>> depth; but, she didn't take it.
>> 
>> William
> 
>     Maybe she was told that the top of the water table was 1,500 feet 
> deep in Lech., and remembered that as 15,000.
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Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "Lee H. Skinner"  wrote:

> Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
> N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
> day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
> Lee Skinner

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my "do" list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: "jerryat...@aol.com" 
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

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>To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
>Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
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>
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Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

On a related note:  This message from a friend.

-
 

I just wanted to highlight the new app for tablets from
Google Maps.  One of the key features is the ability to save aerial
imagery and other layers for later use when you do not have reception.  This
is not an obvious feature, but it is important:
 
From: 
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/an-improved-google-maps-app-for-apple-and-android-devices/
 
“* Offline maps. This feature is something of an Easter egg. It’s
undocumented, a feature inserted by Google engineers simply because they wanted
it. You can access it only if you know the secret. But wow, is it worth it.
This feature memorizes the map data for whatever area is displayed on your
screen right now (up to a whole city in size). That way, you can use Google
Maps even when you’re overseas and don’t want to turn on data roaming (because
that’s insanely expensive), or when you’re in an area where there’s no cell
reception. It’s very handy.
To capture a map snapshot like this, tap in the Search box. Use the
speech-recognition button and say, “OK Maps.” (It’s a riff on the command “OK
Glass” that prepares Google Glass, the company’s “smart headband,” for voice
commands.)
A message quietly lets you know you’ve successfully stored the displayed
area.”
 
You can also do this with other apps, but this will be a
convenient feature to have on Google Maps.
---


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth
 

         Rick Royer just pointed out an even better way to get 
topographic maps overlain onto Google Earth.  First be sure that the 
option "Show web results in external browser" 
(Tools/Options/General/Display) is turned off in order for this to 
load within Google Earth; otherwise you get it in an external web 
browser instead.  In the Layers area at the bottom left, click on 
Earth Gallery.  That brings up a web page with all sorts of add-ons 
for Google Earth.  Click on the Terrain & Elevation link, and then on 
Historical Topographic Maps (USGS).  That adds a new Layer of 
seamless topo maps similar to the method below, except that the 
resolution is better.  The opacity can be controlled by the slider, 
just as before.  Very nice!

Mark

At 03:45 PM 5/21/2013, Mark Minton wrote:
>         A couple of years ago I posted a method to get seamless 
> topo map coverage as an overlay in Google Earth.  The method 
> presented there (topomaps.kmz) no longer works, but I've found a 
> replacement.  Go to 
> 
>  
> and get the new file exolife.kml (_not_ the attachment at the end 
> of the message!).  It may install itself into Google Earth 
> automatically if GE is open; otherwise, just click on the file once 
> you have it, then right click on it in Google Earth and go to 
> Properties.  Under the Refresh tab, change View-Based Refresh to 
> After Camera Stops, with a time delay of 4 seconds.  This speeds up 
> loading time for regular views since the topo maps are not 
> constantly trying to download when you're just moving around.  Drag 
> the topomap overlay from Temporary Places to My Places so that you 
> will not have to load and configure it next time you want to use it.
>         This works by linking to a server of topo maps; the actual 
> maps are not downloaded to your computer except for the view you 
> have up on the screen, so it does not take up a lot of memory or 
> storage space.  It creates an image overlay of the appropriate topo 
> map on top of the normal Google Earth satellite view.  It works in 
> combination with any other image overlays you may have, like the 
> .kml file for a cave line plot (exportable from Compass).  You can 
> vary the transparency of overlays from invisible to opaque using a 
> slider, so you can have as dark or light amount of topo info as you 
> want, or you can turn that layer off altogether.  This doubles as a 
> way to have seamless topo map coverage of the entire country.  Very handy!
>
>Mark

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[Texascavers] Texas WNS Surveillance funding opportunity

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

White-nose Syndrome Funding Opportunity

 
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has received funding under the 
Endangered Species Conservation: Recovery Implementation Funds Grant Program 
for 
a project titled Surveillance and Monitoring of White-nose Syndrome in Texas 
Bats. The grant agreement period is September 1, 2013-April 30, 2014. and the 
grant total is $39,566. Final reports (financial and performance) will be due 
no 
later than July 22, 2014.
We are seeking a qualified researcher to conduct the activities described in 
the proposal below. We welcome alterations and modifications to the timeline 
and 
methods presented as long as the deliverables meet those outlined in the 
proposal.
Interested parties are invited to submit a scope of work, budget, and 
description of qualifications by August 15, 2013 to: 
andy.gluesenk...@tpwd.texas.gov. Questions and comments should be directed to 
the same e-mail 
address or call (512) 389-8722.
More information and a link to the proposal can be found here:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/wildlife_diversity/grants/wns.phtml/

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

educe
> everything
> > above floor level to about that level before we try to
> break into the
> > new underfloor passage opened up by Erin a couple of
> weeks ago. That
> > is to be done so that the many yards of loose fill
> don't fall into the
> > new lead whilst we're removing them. Currently we have
> the lead
> > protected with plywood to minimizing infilling from the
> higher areas
> > adjacent to the floor lead. Today we filled up 6-1/2
> barrels and
> > hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks,
> some in
> > tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the
> jin-poles on
> > the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be
> raised. Many suitcase
> > sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for
> removal. Most
> > made the transition to the surface; a few are still
> awaiting another
> > session or two of backfill removal that will be needed
> before we can
> > open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A
> rather large
> > contingent of cavers showed up today, many without
> caving gear. The
> > list of diggers:
> > 
> > Dale Barnard
> > Don Broussard
> > Erin Brown
> > Andrew Davison
> > Gill Ediger
> > Chris Franke
> > Ryan Monjaras
> > John Schneider
> > Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.
> > 
> > ...and visitors:
> > Leslie Bell
> > Jay Jorden
> > RD Milhollan
> > Andy Gluesenkamp
> > 
> > Today was very productive.
> > --Gill Ediger
> > 
> > 
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RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Why not volunteer, Fritz?  There are several state parks within a short 
distance of your new home.  All of them could use some help.  Or, if your knees 
aren't up to it, get out your checkbook.  Parks is only $4M short at this 
point.  Parks has been hit hard but my division (Wildlife) has also taken some 
big hits lately.  We took 20% staff cuts last year and now we aren't allowed to 
spend any of the money that is supposedly sitting in the coffers.  Things are 
going to get much worse before they get better and we need any kind of help we 
can get.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Tue, 1/31/12, Fritz Holt  wrote:

From: Fritz Holt 
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south Austin
To: "'caverarch'" , "lmcn...@austin.rr.com" 

Cc: "texascavers@texascavers.com" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tuesday, January 31, 2012, 10:19 AM




 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 











My comment on the culverts was one of
uninformed conclusion. Admittedly I didn’t consider the fire debris but I
must wonder what condition the culverts were in before the fires. Had they been
asked, I would believe that many would have volunteered to help or do such
chores and maintenance in our beloved and (once) beautiful state park(s). Thank
goodness the treasured CCC built structures were saved.
 Texas has many thousands of birders (and not
all are senior citizens) and nature enthusiasts who would enjoy working on
behalf of TP&W. I am in the process of buying acreage property five miles NE
of Dripping Springs which is about 25 minutes from my daughter’s home on
2244. When I drive to Austin it is heartbreaking
to see the devastation to the forest and homes just east of
 Bastrop . It confirms my belief that I never
want to be without property insurance. It was not my intent to imply neglect on
the part of TP&W employees. I hold them in high regard for doing an often
thankless job. 

   

Fritz 

   









From: caverarch
[mailto:cavera...@aol.com] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 31, 2012
9:15 AM

To: lmcn...@austin.rr.com ;
 Fritz Holt

Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new
sinkhole drains pond in south Austin 



   

Fritz, I imagine that the
 Bastrop
 State Park soils, laid bare of
vegetation by the fire and no longer held in place by living root
systems, was easy to erode, as well, in such a deluge.  



   





But
while Logan is
right that no amount of volunteers could have averted this particular disaster,
I think he would also agree that our parks are all deteriorating in a less
dramatic but inevitable fashion due to gutting of the state parks staffs and
maintenance funds all across the state.   



Roger Moore 



   



-Original
Message-

From: Logan McNatt < lmcn...@austin.rr.com >

To: Fritz Holt 


Cc: Texas Cavers 


Sent: Mon, Jan 30, 2012 11:47 pm

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new sinkhole drains pond in south
 Austin 



Fritz,



Joe Datri posted a good photo of the sinkhole on the U.T. Grotto Facebook
page.  A lot of dirt and rubble in the bottom to be removed.  Cavers
are working on getting permission to enter.  I hope the city or whoever is
in charge decides to leave it open, but I have no idea what will happen.



Regarding the culverts at Bastrop 
 State Park , the staff is
short-handed and dealing with layoffs and budget cutbacks as are most of the
state parks.  Not to mention the drought and one of the worst fires in
 Texas history. 
Even if they had an army of volunteers to clean out all the culverts after the
fire, enough pine needles and other debris have fallen that the culverts would
have clogged up again very quickly during the deluge.







On 1/30/2012 12:13 PM, Fritz Holt 
wrote:  





May this sinkhole be currently viewed?
Will this water quality pond be repaired or allowed to remain as a recharge
circuit to the aquifer? 





  





Whether it would have averted the problem
or not, it seems the park authorities should have forseen this possibility and
kept the culverts clear of debris. 





  





Fritz, with hindsight 





  













From: Logan McNatt
[mailto:lmcn...@austin.rr.com] 

Sent: Saturday, January 28, 2012
4:49 PM

To: Texas
 Cavers

Subject: [Texascavers] new
sinkhole drains pond in south Austin 







  





Thanks to Peter
Sprouse and Zara Environmental for forwarding this information; original source
unknown.  The early morning storm of Jan 25th dumped 5 to 7 inches of rain
over much of Travis and Bastrop 
counties in 6 to 10 hours.  I didn't see anything in the news about this
sinkhole. 







  









The huge water quality pond located
at Mopac and William Cannon "Shops at Arbor Trails" (inc.
Costco, Target, Chuy's etc) went from full to empty during this morning's
storm.  Over the past year, it was speculated that the pond was
leaking.  Few storms had tested the pond over the last few months,
but this one clearly re

[Texascavers] Free tickets to Ale Fest

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have two tickets to Ale Fest in SA. Gates open at 1pm on Oct 15.  Free to 
good home. 

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Re: [Texascavers] TCR - be alert!

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I never leave home without my tongs and sack.  Considering Murphy's Law, that 
pretty much guarantees that there will be no snake sightings at TCR.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 14, 2011, at 9:15 AM, Heather Tucek  wrote:

> For those of you heading to TCR this weekend.. The temperatures have been 
> perfect for snake activity, so be watchful of where you step, especially if 
> you go anywhere off-trail!!
> 
> 
> -- 
> Go find out!
> -Heather Tuček
> UT Grotto
> NSS 59660
> (512) 773-1348
> trog...@cavechat.org

Re: [Texascavers] a new LED flashlight

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I agree with Jerry.  How about every time someone complains about DL on CT, 
they have to provide an interesting post as a sort of "reader's time" fine?  DL 
has been posting such things on CT as long as there has been limestone in TX.  
It is like the weather: get used to it.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Sat, 10/15/11, jerryat...@aol.com  wrote:


From: jerryat...@aol.com 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a new LED flashlight
To: gprichm...@gmail.com, dlocklea...@gmail.com
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Saturday, October 15, 2011, 10:50 PM





While I might not agree with  all of the emails that appear on CaveTex, I 
certainly can't fault David for posting information on new models or cheap 
deals on LED-related lights.  They might not be of particular interest to me  
that day, but it's not really that much trouble to delete them.
 
What I do find troubling is singling David out for not caving as often as 
others (or at least the perception that a "real" caver actually goes 
underground XX times per month).  Of the several hundred cavers that supposedly 
reside in Texas, most do not go caving on any regular basis.  Some of them, 
like David, also post on CaveTex.  And some of their postings can also be 
annoying to those that have narrow interests and/or small hearts.
 
So let's give old David a break.  It seems easier to me to hit the delete key 
than try to stab him in the eye.
 
Jerry.
 
 
In a message dated 10/15/2011 4:10:15 P.M. Central Daylight Time, 
gprichm...@gmail.com writes:

Cheap LED lights are not novel or new. 
 
 I really want to stay tied into the Texas community via Cave Text.  This is 
only possible if I don't need to delete five of your emails a day that are only 
tangentially related to caving.   OT emails are fine as the exception, but when 
they become the rule (and happen many times per a day) the list serve suffers.  
Same goes for the GHG list serve.
 
Actually, I think a new rule, for you personally, would be to have 10 emails 
per every actual caving trip(undergroundnot TCR type stuff).  I would put 
up with more of your emails if I knew you were actually getting underground.   
For example,  you would need to go caving every weekend for the next ten years 
to get you to even.  If you were to do that, I am sure your emails would be 
much more interesting, and most importantly, pertinent to the caving community.
 
Cheers,
 
GP


 

Re: [Texascavers] a cool caver-type project

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Hah!  Nico was wandering about Saturday night with a tall bottle of the only 
thing known to kill cooties (or at least make you not care).  
 
Seriously, I tried tubbing nekkid and I was told I would have to buy another 
wristband for my "friend".  
 
No really, I jumped in nekkid and came out wearing a black wool sweater.  
What's with that?
 
Honestly, I think I see enough of most of you as it is.  
 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 (yes I know they put chlorine in it but still)


Nico

Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

200,000 on a Blazer?  That's remarkable, for a Chevy.  That wouldn't deserve 
notice if it were a 'yota.  Just think, you could have logged those miles in a 
comfy Toy instead of a rattlebox Blazer
 
My last Toyota-the Land Cruiser: purchased with 127,000 miles, drove the HELL 
out of it, and sold it at 267K.  It did require a new tranny near the end of my 
tenure but it is still out there with a "new" factory 5-speed.  I think Terry's 
has twice that mileage and is still going strong.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Thu, 10/27/11, Don Cooper  wrote:


From: Don Cooper 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Toyota triumphant!
To: "Stefan Creaser" 
Cc: "bmorgan...@aol.com" , "texascavers@texascavers.com" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, October 27, 2011, 11:05 AM


The story itself is the point, not the destination.
(HOW long have you been reading Sleazewheeze's posts on Cave Tex???)

Though not frequently challenged - my 21 yr old S-10 Blazer did turn
200,000 mi the other day.
It's been holding its own while THREE other R-22 Toyota's I know of
have lunched their motors FIVE times.
(Something to be said of old technology - pushrods, low compression
and large displacement.
Maybe I just know how to treat my toys right.)

-WaV

On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:29 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:
> You mean you drove all that way for one snake and a couple of lizards? ;-)
>
>
>
> From: bmorgan...@aol.com [mailto:bmorgan...@aol.com]
>
> Despite it being a summer day it was cold as hell up there. There seemed to
> be no chance of finding any snakes, but when I complained an ancient cowboy
> looked around and pointed at a pine tree. There to my amazement was a little
> twin spotted rattlesnake (Crotalus pricei) climbing straight up the tree
> caterpillar style. There were also a few cold numbed alligator lizards.
> Clouds closed in and we were nearly out of beer so it was time to depart.
>
>
>
>
>
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[Texascavers] Bats and Roads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

A recent study looked at impact of roads on bats:
 
http://www.sciencenewsline.com/biology/200206500032.html
 


Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

Re: [Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those specimens belong in a museum (or in a cave), not on someone's 
bookshelf.  Also, BT oughtta fess up that the fossils are coming from a part of 
the cave on his neighbor's property, not his.

Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 





From: Fofo 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Mon, August 1, 2011 11:28:05 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave

¡Hola!

Here's an article that I saw today about Twinkie's Cave in Comal County.

http://www.khou.com/news/Local-man-makes-prehistoric-discovery-in-his-own-backyard-125157069.html


Or    http://tinyurl.com/3lynqxr

The text of the article is below.

Take care,

    - Fofo

--

SAN ANTONIO -- Somewhere in Comal County is a small parcel of private land full 
of breathtaking views. Hidden amidst the beauty is a mysterious entrance to the 
unknown.
Inside, there is not much space, and it quickly goes from dry to wet. That’s 
because it's a cave full of spring-fed water. And there are plenty of creatures 
living inside.

“There's a small colony of bats in there,” said William “BT” Price, who owns 
the 
land.

Price bought the land where the hidden cave is located two years ago. Now, he's 
a retired banker who's become an explorer of his own backyard.

The cave is at least a mile in length. Price and friends are constantly pushing 
the limits by going into areas where the water and ceiling are separated by 
inches.

“It can be very dangerous --  very, very dangerous -- if it's not done right,” 
said Price.

Within the unknown lies a familiar treasure from prehistoric times: fossils.

“Here's some pieces of mastodon teeth,” said Kurt Menking, who has helped Price 
discover the fossils.

Some of the most exotic discoveries include an almost complete skull of a 
Homotherium, an animal that was part of the saber-tooth tiger family.

Other remains are from beasts you only hear about in movies, like 10-foot-tall, 
8,000-pound sloths.

Concordia University biology professor Laurence Meissner is just one of a few 
professionals to verify the recent discovery.

“Yes, they're legitimate fossils. They lived in the late Ice Age. Probably went 
extinct around 10 to 15 thousand years ago,” Meissner said.

Experts like Meissner said it’s very rare to find fossils in Texas, especially 
animals like the Homotherium found in the local cave.

“It just gives us a record of the past. It tells us what life used to be like 
10 
to 20,000 years ago and it shows there's been substantial change in the 
environment here,” Meissner said.

Price said he plans to continue seeking more fossils in the area he’s dubbed 
“Twinkie’s Cave,” named after his fiancée’s dog.

Price’s long-term goal is to have the fossils preserved, then donate the cave 
to 
either a caving group or to state-funded paleontology organizations that have 
seen funding cuts due to budget woes.

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Re: [Texascavers] UK Caver looking to explore Texas cave.

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

There's an overnight/survey trip/birthday celebration at CM Cave on the 20th of 
August.  Contact Terry Holsinger.
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Wed, 8/3/11, Robert Tait  wrote:


From: Robert Tait 
Subject: [Texascavers] UK Caver looking to explore Texas cave.
To: "tai...@gmail.com" 
Cc: "texascavers@texascavers.com" , 
"graham.gr...@ni.com" , "gakgr...@gmail.com" 

List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wednesday, August 3, 2011, 8:11 PM


A buddy of mine from the UK will be in Austin for a couple of weeks.  

Grahm Is experienced in wet, and vertical caves, but left his kit on the other 
side of the pond, and will have to borrow gear. 

Willing to help survey.

Please, don't make me send him to explore Airman's alone.

His email is on the cc line.

Thanks! 

Rob (now) from Upstate NY


> 

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Re: [Texascavers] Two birds with one stone

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The problem is dipsh*ts who think that even joking about killing children is 
funny.  Don't even get me started about mandatory car seats for kids: dipsh*t 
parents doesn't mean the kids deserve to die for their mistakes.  
Don't like living on a crowded planet?  Take a deep breath and hold it...  
forever.  Whining about it on texcavers is hardly proactive.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 8/8/11, bmorgan...@aol.com  wrote:


From: bmorgan...@aol.com 
Subject: [Texascavers] Two birds with one stone
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:52 AM



So you get two birds with one stone, maybe more if he hits a schoolbus while 
searching for kiddie porn on his smartphone. What's the prob?
 
Sleaze
 
>I believe that we have way too many people on the planet and 
>anything we can do to eliminate some of the dummies, I'm all 
>for.  That is why I'm opposed to mandatory seat belt laws, child car 
>seats, texting bans, and helmet laws.  If you aren't smart enough to 
>do these things out of common sense, you probably shouldn't be reproducing.

         The trouble with some of that logic, like texting bans, is 
that the perpetrator can easily survive the accident while the 
innocent bystander who gets crashed into may die.  There's no 
protective logic in that one.

Mark Minton

Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Well,
  You absolutely must read Carl Hiassen's book, Sick Puppy.  A fictional 
portayal of the guv in question plays a prominent role.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Mon, 8/8/11, tbsam...@verizon.net  wrote:


From: tbsam...@verizon.net 
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] book review: Lew Bicking
To: mmin...@caver.net
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Monday, August 8, 2011, 11:29 AM



Fla. Guvs. SKINK =  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clinton_Tyree
 

Tyree was Governor of Florida in the 1970s. He was everything desirable in a 
candidate: a native of Florida, a college football star, and a decorated 
Vietnam veteran. He was dazzlingly handsome, charismatic, and articulate. He 
was also a former English professor at the University of Florida, though 
politically most people saw this as a handicap rather than an asset.
To the surprise of the Florida establishment, he was also one of the few, if 
not the only, honest men to hold the office. After he turned down a bribe from 
real estate developers, the developers assumed he was holding out for more 
money, and came back offering a larger bribe, along with a foolproof scheme for 
concealing the money. To their astonishment, the governor not only refused 
again, but had them arrested in an F.B.I. sting.
Tyree was also vehemently opposed to runaway growth in Florida, and gained 
national recognition for his passionate speeches and legislative proposals to 
discourage tourism, curtail land development, and protect the environment. (For 
example, one of his proposed laws would have required any boat driver who 
killed a manatee to immediately forfeit his boat, pay a $10,000 fine or go to 
jail for forty-five days, and bury the dead animal himself at a public 
ceremony).
Appalled, a group of Florida special interests pooled their resources to 
neutralize the governor politically, by bribing majorities in the state cabinet 
and the legislature to ignore or reject all of his initiatives.
Years later, the executive assistant to the current governor reviews Tyree’s 
history, and marvels at the futility of his struggle:

As popular as Clinton Tyree had been with the common folk of Florida, he stood 
no chance – none whatsoever – of disabling the machinery of greed and 
converting the legislature into a body of foresight and honest ethics. It was 
boggling to think a sane person would even try.
On the same day that the crooked developers who had tried to bribe Tyree were 
convicted, but punished with nothing more than probation, the legislature voted 
unanimously (except for the governor) to sell the original wildlife preserve 
that they’d been after to another developer. On that day, Tyree quit and 
disappeared from the Governor's mansion. At first, Tyree was believed 
kidnapped, until a notarized letter of resignation was sent to the Capitol and 
verified by the FBI.
He became a wild hermit, living first in Harney County (a fictional Florida 
county), where he adopted the name "Skink,” and was simply viewed as an 
eccentric, albeit a potentially violent one.
Over the years, he makes infrequent appearances over South Florida, becoming 
something of an urban legend.
 



Aug 8, 2011 11:17:10 AM, mmin...@caver.net wrote:

At 10:32 AM 8/6/2011, Mixon Bill wrote:
>My favorite
>summing up was written by Squire Lewis on encountering Bicking in
>Mexico after the 1966 convention: "Lew's only traveling and survival
>equipment consists of a small Kelty pack whose sole contents are the
>largest Spanish dictionary every printed--about a 20-pounder--and a
>box of Mexican crackers. . . . His only clothes are those he wears,
>and he obviously has some warped goal of not taking them off--ever-- 
>for washing or any other purpose. . . . He has gotten all the long way
>from Baltimore to California to [Mexico City] with nothing but his
>great dictionary and his crackers. We have never seen him spend any
>money--not any--he may well not have any.

That reminds me of a statement attributed, I believe, to a 
governor of Florida. In reference to hikers or whomever coming to 
visit being good for the economy, he said something like, "They come 
with only one pair of underwear and a five-dollar bill and don't 
change either."

Mark Minton

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Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Snake Hunting**Texas law

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Correction-  The new "herp stamp" only applies to collecting along the public 
right-of-way.  Otherwise, you just need a regular ol' hunting license.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
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--- On Thu, 9/1/11, Herman Miller  wrote:


From: Herman Miller 
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law
To: "Stefan Creaser" 
Cc: "tbsam...@verizon.net" , "cavefa...@yahoo.com" 
, "dlocklea...@gmail.com" , 
"texascavers@texascavers.com" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 11:09 AM


Jumping on the redneck band wagon... You will now need a special hunting 
license to go snake hunting...


On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:




Keep it down at the back, it’s not Friday yet.
 
-S.
 


From: tbsam...@verizon.net [mailto:tbsam...@verizon.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:37 AM
To: cavefa...@yahoo.com
Cc: dlocklea...@gmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law



 

Not to mention:

 

On Thursday, the first day of the state’s fiscal year, Texans will be able to 
shoot feral hogs and coyotes from helicopters.

 

Wheedoggies! 




Sep 1, 2011 10:35:37 AM, cavefa...@yahoo.com wrote:



However, it is now LAWFUL to fish for catfish by HAND. And I mean BY HAND!

Our Governor pushed through legislation to make fish noodling legal in Texas.


Thank goodness we have a Governor that cares about our wants and needs.
 


From: David 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Thursday, September 1, 2011 9:49 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law

It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.

Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.

David
( the real David, not the one from the future )

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Re: [Texascavers] new Texas law

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

There's also a new law banning synthetic marijuana.  This means that any 
Locklear online, real or otherwise, is not as likely to seem funny.
 
Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
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(512) 799-1095
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--- On Thu, 9/1/11, David  wrote:


From: David 
Subject: [Texascavers] new Texas law
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Thursday, September 1, 2011, 9:49 AM


It is illegal now to impersonate somebody on-line.

Meaning if you post on CaveTex pretending to be David Locklear, you better
be damned funny.

David
( the real David, not the one from the future )

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Re: [Texascavers] An evacuation bag...

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

My mother was forced to evacuate her farm a couple of years ago.  She had time 
to grab seven dogs, a cat, her computer, and a big jug of JD.  She says she has 
no regrets about her choices.
 
and a few years earlier
 
My (ex) stepmother, on the other hand, just *had* to go back to her place for 
one more carload of stuff.  All they found of her after the fire had moved on 
was burned bones and dental fillings.
 
Keep it simple.
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] fire readiness

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I'm putting together a suitcase with clothes, passport, necessary legal papers 
and leaving it in the car.  My friends in San Francisco call it an earthquake 
kit, in New Orleans they do it for floods.  So sorry for everyone's losses.

 
Uhm, you might want to make copies of those documents and stash the originals 
elsewhere*.  I know folks who had that kind of stuff stolen out of a car during 
a move.  
 
*Unless your plan is to just keep driving.
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] Diggers

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

One more thing to sweeten the deal:

 
Rolling Oaks Club
 
FREE SWIM
 
Free Hot dogs
 
Meet the Neighbors
 
Saturday, May 28
 
1 - 8 pm
(hotdogs served 4 – 8 pm)
 
 
Membership Info Will Be Available
All are Welcome
 
Please bring your own drinks 
(no glass containers)

 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com





From: TM Raines 
To: TexasCavers 
Sent: Thu, May 26, 2011 11:21:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Diggers

Attention Diggers,

Ernie says he'll be around both Saturday and Sunday if cavers want to come out 
and dig in Kiwi Sink. The barrels are at the bottom empty, and if they get 
filled I can come over and haul them out.  Just alert Ernie at  512-847-0183.

Come On Out, Terry

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Re: [Texascavers] off-topic? ophidiophobia

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I deal with it almost every day. For those of you interested in snake hoaxes 
check out livingalongsidewildlife.com 
I can't  post my chupacabra story here since the pics are critical to the tale. 
 Yes, pics..

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 10:18 PM, Logan McNatt  wrote:

> Andy G. did mention one word you do not often see on this list:  
> ophidiophobia.  I had to look it up:  "abnormal fear of snakes".  Indiana 
> Jones had ophidiophobia.  Not to be confused with aphidiophobia.
> 
> LowGun  :-\ 

Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight.  A dab of 
dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick.  Exceptional customer 
service.  They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is 
pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using 
the velcro they provide.  I just strap it down like every other battery pack.  
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 





From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question

        Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. 
 
Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life.  
And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion.  They are small, lightweight, 
long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable 
types.  I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but 
with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet.
        For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving.  
It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any 
normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek.  According to their web site 
it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will 
encounter.  I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no 
problem.  The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a 
problem for me.  They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment.  They 
also 
have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of 
actual abuse for free.

Mark

At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote:
> I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's 
>still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it 
>is 
>more robustly made (for caving).
> 
> Looks like you can still get old ones:
> 
>http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics
>s
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=300555317667
> 
> Cheers,
> Stefan
> 
> From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM
> To: Allan B. Cobb
> Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> Allan,
> 
> I like my Sten Light too.  It is not NOT a good waterproof light.  The 
> battery 
>contains circuitry.  The plug connection between the battery and the light is 
>a 
>portal for water. Not a good combination.  The risk can be lessen by coating 
>the 
>connection with dielectric grease.
> 
> The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo 
>Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day.  
>Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of 
>the most robust.  Mine is a twenty plus years old.  If I have not killed, it 
>is 
>not for lack of trying.  I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with 
>water with no ill effect.  But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no 
>longer the bright light.
> 
> Josh
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb  wrote:
> I am really fond of my Sten light.  It is not cheap but it is dependable, 
>robust, and fairly water resistant.
> 
> In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked 
> well 
>for me.  I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work 
>just fine.
> 
> Allan
> 
> From: Tim Stich
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM
> To: Allan B. Cobb
> Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money 
>out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But 
>for caving I would want a much tougher light.
> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb  wrote:
> Autolite Carbide Lamp!
> 
> -Original Message- From: Don Arburn
> Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM
> To: Mallory Mayeux
> Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
> 
> Wheatlamp!
> 
> Don's iPhone.
> 
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux  wrote:
> Hello Cavers!
> 
> I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some 
>opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the 
>money, is there something else you would recommend?
> 
> Mallory

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[Texascavers] Fw: FW: Texas snake

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The story and image are complete nonsense.  The snake in the pic is an Eastern 
diamondback rattlesnake, not found in Texas.  Besides, does that really look 
like Coleman, TX to you?  The whole nonrattling/pigs thing is baloney.  Funny, 
these were originally travelling the interweb as separate hoaxes and some 
genius 
decided to combine them.  The most recent version out there has been edited 
to occur in Georgia!  Do us all a favor and slap the person who sent this to 
you 
(Fritz, I owe you one).


Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 

[Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

[Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
image 
is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
 
Andy

Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Don't freak out man. Fritz had ccd texascaver.  Turns out it was marks 
addy. My reply bounced as they often do so I replayed.  Sorry for the fusion.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:27 PM, Rod Goke  wrote:

> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz!  More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
>  
> Andy
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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a goodidea)

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Oh god. Please don't. My chupacabra story is much better. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 22, 2011, at 5:53 PM, Fritz Holt  wrote:

> I guess Fritz is too dumb or to old and forgetful to properly send intended 
> posts. I could re-send this stuff if anyone cares.
>  
> Fritz
>  
> From: sheryl.ri...@gmail.com [mailto:sheryl.ri...@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:51 PM
> To: Fritz Holt; 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; TexasCavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a 
> goodidea)
>  
> I didn't get the post either, so I was as baffled as Rod. 
> 
> Sheryl
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> 
> From: Fritz Holt 
> Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 17:46:12 -0500
> To: 'Rod Goke'; Andy Gluesenkamp; 
> texas cavers
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
>  
> Rod,
>  
> I am pretty sure I posted this “human interest” snake and alligator stuff on 
> both CaveTex and OT as well as to Andy. However, I did not regard Andy’s 
> replies as criticism but did wonder why they seemed to be in duplicate. 
> Probably a computer glitch or he’s getting old and forgetful. J Andy and I 
> are friends and he was just educating me on some of the bogus stuff that is 
> sent me and I appreciate it. When I do get occasional self induced criticism, 
> I usually have pretty thick skin. Until banned from the site, I will keep on 
> keeping on.
>  
> Fritz
>  
> From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] 
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 5:28 PM
> To: Andy Gluesenkamp; texas cavers
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good 
> idea)
>  
> 
> Andy,
> 
> What is going on here, and why have you been sending these strange messages 
> to Texascavers? This afternoon subscribers to Texascavers received 2 copies 
> of your "Damn, Fritz!  More bs ..." message below, one sent at 12:49 PM and 
> the other at 12:51 PM, plus another message with subject "[Texascavers] Fw: 
> FW: Texas snake" sent at 12:49 PM. All 3 of your postings to Texascavers 
> apparently criticized Fritz for falling for some alleged hoax, but we never 
> received anything from Fritz containing this hoax. Why are you using 
> Texascavers to criticized Fritz about an alleged hoax, when no such hoax was 
> posted to Texascavers in the first place, either by Fritz or by anyone else 
> that I have found?
> 
> Rod
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Andy Gluesenkamp 
> Sent: Jun 22, 2011 12:51 PM
> To: texas cavers 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Fw: Tornado? Hide in a culvert? (maybe not a good idea)
> 
> Damn, Fritz!  More bs ophidiophobic (or crocodiliophobic) hoaxes.  Neither 
> image 
> is from Texas either.  Slap the person who sent you these, please!
>  
> Andy
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Re: [Texascavers] bat pseudoscience

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bill,
  Your much-improved map showing the true economic value of bats did not come 
through.  Perhaps you could send it to me as an attachment?  In any caset would 
be great to have an accurate estimate of the actual economic value of these 
organisms, lest someone start arguing that they are worth retaining on the 
roster of extant species.  

Thanks for all your hard work.

Regards,
Andy




From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Mon, April 11, 2011 10:07:08 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] bat pseudoscience

The April 1 issue of Science contains a "policy forum" note that estimates bats 
provide roughly 22 billion dollars of ecological services to agriculture in the 
US each year, with a (immense) range of $4 billion to $53 billion. How do they 
come up with this number? Well, they take estimates for the cotton crop in 
eight 
Texas counties in the vicinity of Texas's large bat caves. Then they assume the 
same value per acre for all the harvested crop area in the entire United 
States. 
Honest.

There is a color-coded map in the article showing the alleged savings in each 
US 
county based on the Texas per-acre value. But the idiots colored the map on the 
basis of supposed saving per county, not per acre, so larger counties get a 
darker color. Maybe that's why bats seem to have great benefit in northern 
North 
Dakota and Montana, where there are few bats (and no cotton).

The Texas cotton-crop estimate comes from a paper that comes up as the top 
choice if you Google "Economic value of the pest control service provided by 
Brazilian free-tailed bats in south-central Texas". I can't seem to discover 
the 
actual URL that points to. That short paper (Frontiers of Ecology and the 
Environment 4(5)238-243) has thirteen alleged authors, which is scandalous. The 
paper does a decent job of incorporating uncertainties in the various numbers 
it 
uses, which explains the huge range, more than an order of magnitude, but there 
are a lot of other assumptions in the paper that raise questions.

These are the people who want tax money to study white-nose syndrome. -- Mixon

I'm walking down the street with Leonardo da Vinci. He says, "Yes, the things 
your science has created are indeed wonderful. You must explain to me how 
everything works." That's when I wake up.

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[Texascavers] Dig it

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Anyone who wants to dig on Kiwi's Sink is welcome to contact me.  Kiwi's is 
currently the longest cave in Rolling Oaks (i.e. "The Caverhood") and has the 
potential to tie into the massive lost caverns below the Blanco River as well 
as 
Jacob's Well.  Well, maybe that is an extremely low potential but it is still a 
promising cave.  We think the BIG passage is just behind a few more rocks...

Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
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From: "mark.al...@l-3com.com" 
To: S S ; texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 6:47:11 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...


Agreed and you’re correct that there are a lot of little projects that are 
conducted “by one or two people that could be included in a larger project”.
 
This has been one of my biggest and oldest pet peeves, going all the way back 
when I was a new member at the DFW Grotto.
 
These less than well-publicized (read “secret”?) trips to caves that only a 
chosen few ever hear about or get invited on.
 
Surely, there’s a way to keep the amount of folks attending to a reasonable 
level while still being inclusive to other cavers, new or experienced.
 
I don’t recall ever conducting a project weekend that was not publicized and 
the 
number of folks who attended was always manageable.
 
If you want only 6 or 8 cavers, say so!
 
 
Inclusiveness equals interest, participation, enthusiasm and a healthy 
TSA/Grotto.
 
 
Cliquishness equals poor/no camaraderie, disinterest, and a loss of members.
 
 
The UT Grotto has been very good at getting new cavers underground, primarily 
at 
Whirlpool, which is an excellent beginner cave.
 
The Longhorn Project, which I am in charge of, was a blast, before and after 
ICS 
and helped get a lot of new cavers underground, primarily from and a big thanks 
to the Aggie Grotto!
 
 
If you have a “Grotto Only” trip, surely you can advertise it on CaveTex and 
allow a few more other cavers from cave poor areas of the state (read “DFW”) to 
attend.
 
If you want to limit the size, say so, but, Publicize, Publicize, Publicize!
 
 
 
Mark
 
 
 
From:S S [mailto:back2scool...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2011 12:27 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
 
We need more caving trip events to local cavesWhirlpool, Airmans, Blowing 
Sink, Organized Digs?..Hard bargin.   I don't think there are enough trips to 
keep people interested.  Digs are always a good project and a great way to move 
a ton of material in a small time. Surely there must be some projects out there 
being worked on one bucket at a time by one or two people that could be 
included 
in a larger project.  VOlonteers love projects...
 



From: mark.al...@l-3com.com
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2011 11:30:06 -0500
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
CC: texascav...@yahoo.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Ask Not What You Can Do For The TSA...
 
But, what can the TSA do for you!
 
 
Michael Cicherski emailed the TSA officers this query and we all would like to 
solicit your (constructive and positive) ideas, improvements, likes/dislikes, 
and things you would like to see the TSA do.
 
 
 From Michael:
> 
>What can we (the TSA) do for the remainder of the year to make a difference? 
>Is 
>there anything that we can pro-actively to show the TSA is the premier caving 
>organization in the State? How can we make the TSA the “place to go” for all 
>things caving?
> 
>I will be up front and say that I have no answers to my own question. It is 
>more 
>of a question that we need to ponder as we move into the summer months. With 
>the 
>exception of the Texas Caver and TSA Convention we are relatively dormant 
>during 
>these summer months. Perhaps we could have 2 -4 training classes at TCR in 
>October. Workshops limited to the first 25 cavers on such topics as cave 
>photography, vertical beginner, vertical advance, cartography beginner, 
>cartography advanced. 
>
> 
> 
>We currently have around 150 members and it has fluctuated around there since 
>I 
>have been an officer. The officers and I are interested in building more 
>excitement and enthusiasm for the TSA, which will then bring in more members.
> 
>I just attended a superb climbing class conducted by Lloyd Turnbull and the 
>Cowtown Grotto. These are the type of things we’re interested in promoting and 
>conducting.
> 
>So now is your chance! Rather than listen to me browbeat y’all about needing 
>material for The TEXAS CAVER (which, I still do!) get your thinking caps on 
>and 
>send us some feedback!
>If you would like to volunteer to head something up, don’t be shy about that, 
>as 
>well!
> 
>I will be out of commission for the next couple of days getting a couple of 
>kidney stones annihilated, but while you’re sending 

Re: [Texascavers] Helmet

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Ecrin Roc.  You'll need to trim/sand down the angle on the plastic mounting 
bracket to fit the curve on the front of the helmet.  This is true with many 
helmets.  I like the ERoc because I can feed the wires from the battery through 
the vent holes and clips and then out to the light.  It reduces the exposure 
of cables to snag on the outside.  Very nice.   Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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From: Floyd Hebert 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Tue, April 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Helmet

I was going to ask everyone what caving helmet to get, but I thought that might 
be to vague. So, I'll ask it this way: What helmet would you mount a Stenlight 
on?

Thanks,
Floyd

Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have lots of casings, grinder attachment, chemicals, spices, and a great 
book.  All courtesy of Nathan Parker via Kari. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Aimee Beveridge  wrote:

> I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:
> 
>> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>>  
>> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
>> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
>> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>>  
>> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
>> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>>  
>> Allan
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: James Jasek
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09  PM
>> To: Jim Kennedy
>> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>>  
>> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>>  
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
>> 
>> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
>> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
>> gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>>  
>> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>>  
>> -- Crash
>>  
>> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>>  
>> Y’all,
>>  
>> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
>> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
>> that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>>  
>> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
>> couple of weeks, probably.
>>  
>> Cheers,
>> Stefan
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Re: [Texascavers] tawny crazy ants

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, Bill, tawny crazy ants are different and we only have ourselves to blame 
for their presence in Texas.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Mixon Bill  wrote:

> "Crazy ants" have been in the press off and on for over 15 years and haven't 
> driven us crazy yet. Maybe these "tawny crazy ants" are significantly 
> different, but maybe not. The info on the other crazy ant on the A&M site is 
> very similar. Anyway, thanks, George, for pointing us to the Texas A&M site, 
> which appears to be authoritative. A press release quoting only a guy who 
> runs an exterminating company (and who named the ants after himself) is 
> hardly worth notice.
> 
> Anyway, sounds like another species that is, with human help, finding a nice 
> new niche. Who says humans only harm species? -- Mixon
> 
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> fatal.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Pretty good story overall.  Thanks for sharing.


 
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 From: Geary Schindel 
To: 'Peter Jones' ; DONALD G.DAVIS  
Cc: Southwestern Region  
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story
 

As my boss once told me "I'll never hold you accountable for what you said to 
the press, only what the press said you said".

Misquotes are a common part of the job.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzq2vr_scientists-study-aquifer-contamination_news#.UY01JbXU_zA

Here is a little piece on tracer testing we did for the National Groundwater 
Association - groundwater summit that was held here in San Antonio a week ago. 
A local TV station wanted to do a short piece on the aquifer. They actually did 
a pretty good job considering WHO they had to work with.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:35 AM
To: DONALD G.DAVIS
Cc: Southwestern Region
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story

As I said to Peter Youngbaer, who commented that Hazel had been at the gates of 
hell in the past, perhaps she's the Gatekeeper..

Peter




On May 9, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

>> I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have 
>> been confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off 
>> camera. I gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 
>> leagues under the sea" where it was referring to distance and not 
>> depth; but, she didn't take it.
>> 
>> William
> 
>     Maybe she was told that the top of the water table was 1,500 feet 
> deep in Lech., and remembered that as 15,000.
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Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "Lee H. Skinner"  wrote:

> Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
> N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
> day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
> Lee Skinner

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

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On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Central Texas endangered inverts

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks for sharing, Bill.  You give new meaning to the word troglodyte.


 
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On Tuesday, April 15, 2014 11:11 AM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
 
No, inverts does not mean homosexuals, as it once did, but  
invertebrates.

There's a lot of information from the Fish and Wildlife Service about  
the spineless cave critters on the government's official  
insignific..., err, endangered species list in Bexar, Travis, and  
Williamson Counties at

http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/AustinTexas/ESA_Sp_KarstInverts.html

Included are things like official rulings, recovery plans, and  
critical habitat designations. Ron Ralph called this to my attention.  
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Jacobs Well

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Does anyone know if it has been reopened to diving and swimming?  The big rock 
moved in the Halloween flood and they weren't letting anyone swim the last time 
I was there.


 
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On Friday, May 9, 2014 2:13 PM, Sam Young  wrote:
 
But, 
speaking of Jacobs Well, there is a grand opening ceremony tomorrow 
(Saturday).  Some of you Austin area folks might know that Jacobs Well was 
saved from development by a generous contribution from a local family.  It 
is now a Hays County Park.  We will be there and hope to see some of our 
caver friends there too.
 
... Sam and Diane 
Young
 
 
They 
now have one of their dodgy videos about Jacobs Well on their sidebar... "Most 
dangerous dive in Texas?"  

Cue C.M. Kornbluth and his Marching 
Morons.

Re: [Texascavers] 20 years ago - just reminiscing

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Like

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> On May 24, 2014, at 2:05 AM, David  wrote:
> 
> Quite a few of you remember what was going on at this time on
> the Texas caving scene in May of 1994.I was just an observer,
> although I did go on one or 2 road-trips to Bracketville, from Houston.
> 
> 2 cavers were very hard at work finishing up one of the best books about
> Texas caves, and lots of cavers were assisting them.
> 
> Another caver was planning an incredible show recreating the battle
> of the Alamo.
> 
> Swamp coolers were being installed by volunteer cavers that had travelled
> from all over the state to one of the non-air-conditioned buildings at
> Fort Clark
> and caver-electricians were having to gerry-rig the whole set up.
> 
> Cavers were visiting caves in and around Bracketville to plan for convention
> trips.
> 
> The 1994 NSS Convention, was a major event in my life.   It was my
> first introduction
> to the NSS. Prior to that, I was
> personally spending most of my spare time south of the border.And
> after that,
> I made an effort to attend future conventions, and thus had less
> resources available
> to go on trips south of the border.
> 
> 
> On a related note,
> 
> "It was not just a different time.  It was a different world."
> 
> All of that hard work was done without Cavetex, texting, and
> smartphones, and Facebook, etc. Any cavers that had a computer were
> using Windows 3.1 and saving their work to a floppy disk, and not on a
> laptop.  I bet typewriters were still being used by some.   Gas only
> cost about $ 1.10.   On the world newsfront, Monica Lewinsky had not
> yet met Bill Clinton, and the world ( not me ) was still anxiously
> awaiting news updates over the Clinton scandals of Whitewater and
> Paula Jones.Most of us were spending less than 10 minutes a day on
> the internet, if any at all.Most cavers still had
> cassette-tape-decks in their cars.  Quite a few of our caving friends
> at the 1994 convention are no longer with us.   I am certain none of
> us could have predicted the tragedies that happened just a few years
> after the convention.Here is a toast to them.
> 
> http://www.cavetexas.org/rmiller/
> 
> http://www.edwardsaquifer.net/images/las_moras_springs_pool.jpg
> 
> 
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] A Strange Device

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This looks like a fun read. Thanks for sharing. 

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> On Jun 19, 2014, at 4:05 PM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
> 
> When a new member joined the UT Grotto last semester, having spent the fall 
> semester at the University of Bristol and gotten started caving with the 
> UBSS, I dug out my copy of a hilarious little book called "A Strange Device" 
> about a British caving club called the V.E.C., thinking our new member, who 
> had also been exposed to the Bristol Exploration Club (the B.E.C.), might 
> enjoy it. He did, and another member has also read it and suggested, since it 
> may be unique in this country, it should be scanned. As the stories appeared 
> many years ago in the B.E.C.'s Belfry Bulletin and are on its web site, I 
> don't feel too guilty about it (but you didn't get it from me).
> 
> The quick-and-dirty scan is temporarily at
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26580089/A%20Strange%20Device.pdf
> 
> Enjoy -- Mixon
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink News

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

A happy ending, to be sure.  

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On Nov 27, 2013, at 4:48 PM,  wrote:

> Fellow Diggers: I recieved a call from Andy G. from CA, and he had gotten a 
> call from Kiwi, the owner of  the property where Kiwi Sink is located. He had 
> driven over a spot some 15 feet from his house where the ground fell in a 
> sort of crevice. I went over there and sure enough, there was a depression, 
> and in places, one could see darkness beyond. I was really excited when Kiwi 
> started digging what looked like roots hiding a deeper area. It turned out 
> they were rebar from an old septic tank that had given way under Kiwi's 
> truck. He will fill it in with rocks and soil from the main Kiwi dig. I was 
> disappointed, but he was quite happy.
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Jacob's Well

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The swimming area is closed to the public while they figure out what to do 
about the car-sized rock that is now hanging precariously over the well shaft.  
Bummer for us Sunday morning freedivers as well as those neoprene-clad bubble 
blowers.



 
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Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
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On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:48 PM, "dirt...@comcast.net" 
 wrote:
 


Jacob's
Well.
 
Ah,yes. To see what is beyond the gate, you should read Jacob's Well by Stephen
Harrigan.  Those cavers
that I hired to work on the Texas Natural Areas Survey (which helped get
Devil's Sinkhole, the Lower Canyons, Mt. Livermore, Devil's River, Big Bend 
Ranch
State Park, Enchanted Rock, and other places set aside in the Public Domain) 
will
recognize slightly-disguised cavers and their colleagues from the70s. Not only
is Dwight Deal the heroic (although flawed) model for the geologist, you can
recognize parts of Ronnie Fieseler, Tom Byrd, and Ron Ralph, Gary Moore, and 
certainly
remember the Lady Archaeologist who did field work in the nude.
 
DirtDoc

Re: [Texascavers] Jacob's Well

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Look where that got you last time, Gill.


 
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On Thursday, December 12, 2013 2:21 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:
 
Make the rock smaller. 
--Ediger



On Thu, Dec 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp  wrote:

The swimming area is closed to the public while they figure out what to do 
about the car-sized rock that is now hanging precariously over the well shaft.  
Bummer for us Sunday morning freedivers as well as those neoprene-clad bubble 
blowers.
>
>
>
>
> 
>Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
>700 Billie Brooks Drive
>Driftwood, Texas 78619
>(512) 799-1095
>a...@gluesenkamp.com
>
>
>
>On Wednesday, December 11, 2013 5:48 PM, "dirt...@comcast.net" 
> wrote:
> 
>
>
>Jacob's
Well.
> 
>Ah,yes. To see what is beyond the gate, you should read Jacob's Well by Stephen
Harrigan.  Those cavers
that I hired to work on the Texas Natural Areas Survey (which helped get
Devil's Sinkhole, the Lower Canyons, Mt. Livermore, Devil's River, Big Bend 
Ranch
State Park, Enchanted Rock, and other places set aside in the Public Domain) 
will
recognize slightly-disguised cavers and their colleagues from the70s. Not only
is Dwight Deal the heroic (although flawed) model for the geologist, you can
recognize parts of Ronnie Fieseler, Tom Byrd, and Ron Ralph, Gary Moore, and 
certainly
remember the Lady Archaeologist who did field work in the nude.
> 
>DirtDoc
>
>
>
>

[Texascavers] TPWD seeks public comment on gassing issue

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, this is karst-related.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20131230c

 
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700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

Re: [Texascavers] TPWD seeks public comment on gassing issue

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Good question, Diana.  This is about means of take and not intended to impact 
licensed pest control professionals.  This basically means that a pest control 
professional can treat termites under your house, etc.  It is already illegal 
to use products in manners not in accordance with their labeling or for 
unlicensed individuals to use some products.  This is simply reiteration of 
existing code and an assurance that the proposed rule is not intended to shut 
down the likes of ABC Pest and Lawn but to keep people from deliberately 
poisoning karst in the pursuit of nongame wildlife.

Andy


 
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Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



On Tuesday, December 31, 2013 10:09 AM, Diana Tomchick 
 wrote:
 
Hi Andy,

The web site states

"The department has determined that the rules should not apply to persons 
licensed to conduct structural or agricultural pest control activities."

What constitutes "structural or agricultural pest control activities"? And how 
will law enforcement officials determine whether someone gathered the nongame 
wildlife in their possession via these allowed activities?

Diana

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On Dec 31, 2013, at 8:23 AM, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote:

> Yes, this is karst-related.
> http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20131230c
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
> 700 Billie Brooks Drive
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
> (512) 799-1095
> a...@gluesenkamp.com




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Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I called a later owner of the cave back in 04 or so.  
Me: "Hello, my name is Andy Gluesenkamp.  I am a biologist working on..."
Landowner: "Not interested." [click]




 
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On Thursday, February 20, 2014 10:09 AM, Stefan Creaser 
 wrote:
 
Anyone else have stories they can share via the Texas Caver? ;-)

Perhaps we could have a "gun' issue?

Cheers,
Stefan

-Original Message-
From: Jon Cradit [mailto:jcra...@edwardsaquifer.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 9:32 AM
To: Preston Forsythe; Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

And to add to the stories.
Several years ago the SWTG, Southwest Texas Grotto, would conduct vertical rope 
training at the cliffs at Five-mile Dam on the Blanco River.  One afternoon 
there was a group of us out there, I think David Persha and Marcia were there 
and it was my turn to climb the rope.  When I stuck my head over the ledge I 
found two country locals sitting there.  One was wearing a western style shirt 
with the sleeves torn off the other was in a so called "wife beater" shirt.  
Sitting on each side of the rope, between the ledge and the rig point, one 
holding a really big pistol the other holding a sawed of shotgun about 
18-inches long.  Both smiling as I remember.  Fortunately I grew up in the area 
and knew a lot of families that lived in the area and after discussing with 
them who owned the land and whom each of us knew I was able to come on up.  It 
was reviled that they were just out "hun'n" and found the rope, then decided 
they wanted to mess with some of
 them college kids down there.  They didn't think that when I climbed up I'd be 
someone that knew their cousins.  They wondered off into the cedar breaks.


-Original Message-
From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 8:43 AM
To: Kurt L. Menking; David
Cc: CaveTex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

Great stories. Thanks for posting. We have come out of a cave in western KY 
with the owner waiting and holding a pistol.

I have a story on Diamond Cave, located someplace south of Brownwood.
Someday I'll post.

Preston in Outer Browder, KY.


- Original Message -
From: "Kurt L. Menking" 
To: "David" 
Cc: "CaveTex" 
Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave


David,

I helped survey in several of the Klar caves back in the 80's and later.  I
expect there are maps for some of them, but I don't recall seeing any of
them.

The most memorable trip was one where we didn't even get into the cave.  We
drove up to the house, to ask permission to go in one of the caves called
Bad Weather Pit.  Only the wife and daughter were there, but the wife said
we could go to the cave.  We asked if we could park along the paved county
road and cross the fence to get to the cave since we weren't sure how to get
there through the ranch.  She said that would be fine.  We parked along the
road, crossed the fence, hauled our gear 200 meters to the entrance, and
started rigging the pit entrance.  We were all geared up and the first
person was about to drop over the lip when a truck pulled up behind our VW
van on the county road.  Two guys got out, both of them carrying guns.  They
crossed the fence and they just looked like they were really pissed.  We
debated if we should hurry and get in the cave before they got to us, but
decided they may cut the rope and strand us in there.  When they arrived
they were sure they had caught a bunch of hippie-caver-trespassers red
handed.  We assured Mr. Klar and his friend we had talked to his wife, and
she said it was OK. He called us a bunch of damn liars and told us to get
off of his property and never come back.  Threatened to shoot first and ask
questions later, etc.

We grabbed our stuff and left as quickly as we could.  The guys with guns
just stood there and glared at us, and followed us back to the road.

None of us had the guts to go back there for many years.  Finally James
Loftin made contact with Mr. Klar and gave them permission to go in the
caves.  I finally went back to Bad Weather Pit with James, and help him
survey and push some of the water passage at the bottom of the cave.

Kurt

-Original Message-
From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2014 10:44 PM
To: CaveTex
Subject: [Texascavers] a Boerne area cave

Tonight, I was reminiscing about a cave I have only been to once way back in
1986.

I was told by the caver that took me there, that it had not been surveyed
and was called "Klars Ranch Salamander Cave," and that there were other
similar caves in the area.

Here is a possible reference:

   

[Texascavers] Tracking app

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Along the lines of the bear scratch discussion, here's a link to a nifty animal 
tracking iphone app by our state mammalogist: 
https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/itrack-wildlife/id478516226?mt=8

He's got a nice pic of a tree trunk with four-claw and five-claw bear 
scratches. 

Andy

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Re: [Texascavers] Bigfoot

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bear?   I've found bear bones in SA caves and there was even a sighting in a 
local park a few years back.  

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On Jan 4, 2014, at 2:47 AM, David  wrote:

> A caver in the San Antonio area once told me ( while sittiing around the
> camp-fire in 1995 ) that they were in a cave in or near Bexar County
> and saw claw marks on the wall, that were made by an animal that
> appeared to be taller than a man and appeared the animal was trying to
> climb out of the cave.I think he said it was a short pit
> entrance, and there were no bones in the cave of such animal.
> 
> My fuzzy memory is that in this conversation he mentioned a Chivos Cave, but
> I don't know if that was the one he was referring to.
> 
> I think he said there were 4 scratch marks on each hand though.
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Word is that the property the museum sits on is slated to become another 
parking lot.  That's a goo money maker (so close to the stadium).   Who says 
athletics doesn't rob from academics?

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On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:

> Amen to that.  To those of you who are mad you can no longer park free 
> anywhere at UT, this is another innovation of the current regime:  our 
> facilities are "underutilized" and need to be charged "at current rates."  So 
> the little guys get nickled and dimed to death, and the state of Texas loses 
> important resources and resource stewardship.  Real Americans pay for their 
> parking, you see . . .(how's the parking at A&M?)
> k
> 
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:
> 
>> Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? 
>> Money is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the 
>> sciences. Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, 
>> they're the ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the College 
>> of Natural Sciences?
>> 
>> Diana
>> 
>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>> Diana R. Tomchick
>> Professor
>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>> Department of Biophysics
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
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>> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> 214-645-6383 (phone)
>> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ron Ralph wrote:
>> 
>>> Mary,
>>> 
>>> How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
>>> 
>>> Ron
>>> 
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>>> anthropology professor and Director of the Texas Memorial Museum for many 
>>> years. You may have heard that the College of Natural Sciences will cut all 
>>> funding - $620,000 – to the museum beginning next year. This is a travesty 
>>> that can not be tolerated! My husband and I have started a grassroots 
>>> effort called Save the Texas Memorial Museum. Our goal is to gather many 
>>> thousand signatures on a protest petition and deliver it to Dean Hicke of 
>>> the College of Natural Sciences on Jan. 15, 2014 – the 75th anniversary of 
>>> the museum’s opening. We have a Facebook page and a group on meetup.com, 
>>> where details of our first meeting are. Please “Like” us on Facebook and 
>>> RSVP on meetup.com. You can sign the petition in person at our first 
>>> gathering, the details of which are on meetup.com. Or, we will email you 
>>> the petition which you can sign and mail back to us. Thank you in advance 
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>> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

That came from TMM staff. 

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On Jan 17, 2014, at 4:34 PM, Katherine Arens  wrote:

> that seems highly unlikely;  there's a police station two blocks away that's 
> more likely a target, and the old middle school, etc.  You don't take down 
> buildings to put up parking lots -- you turn parking lots into parking 
> garages, and there's still a lot of that to be infilled
> k
> On Jan 17, 2014, at 3:35 PM, James Jasek wrote:
> 
>> If this is true there is no way to stop the project. I hope the museum 
>> contents will be preserved 
>> 
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Andy Gluesenkamp  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Word is that the property the museum sits on is slated to become another 
>>> parking lot.  That's a goo money maker (so close to the stadium).   Who 
>>> says athletics doesn't rob from academics?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Katherine Arens  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Amen to that.  To those of you who are mad you can no longer park free 
>>>> anywhere at UT, this is another innovation of the current regime:  our 
>>>> facilities are "underutilized" and need to be charged "at current rates."  
>>>> So the little guys get nickled and dimed to death, and the state of Texas 
>>>> loses important resources and resource stewardship.  Real Americans pay 
>>>> for their parking, you see . . .(how's the parking at A&M?)
>>>> k
>>>> 
>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 2:40 PM, Diana Tomchick wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Wouldn't it also be productive to look into a different funding source? 
>>>>> Money is tight in all areas of academia these days, and especially in the 
>>>>> sciences. Why not try going straight to the politicians there in Austin, 
>>>>> they're the ones that control how much money winds up at UT and the 
>>>>> College of Natural Sciences?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Diana
>>>>> 
>>>>> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>>>>> Diana R. Tomchick
>>>>> Professor
>>>>> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
>>>>> Department of Biophysics
>>>>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>>>>> Rm. ND10.214A
>>>>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
>>>>> Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>>>>> 214-645-6383 (phone)
>>>>> 214-645-6353 (fax)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Jan 17, 2014, at 1:56 PM, Ron Ralph wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> How did it go giving the petition to Dean Hicke?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ron
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> You are receiving this e-mail through the Texas Exes Alumni Directory. 
>>>>>> Your address has not been disclosed to the sender of the e-mail, but has 
>>>>>> been forwarded to you on their behalf. You can update your profile and 
>>>>>> allow other UT grads to contact you at www.texasexes.org/directory.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Dear Ronald, My name is Mary Newcomb, daughter of William W. Newcomb, an 
>>>>>> anthropology professor and Director of the Texas Memorial Museum for 
>>>>>> many years. You may have heard that the College of Natural Sciences will 
>>>>>> cut all funding - $620,000 – to the museum beginning next year. This is 
>>>>>> a travesty that can not be tolerated! My husband and I have started a 
>>>>>> grassroots effort called Save the Texas Memorial Museum. Our goal is to 
>>>>>> gather many thousand signatures on a protest petition and deliver it to 
>>>>>> Dean Hicke of the College of Natural Sciences on Jan. 15, 2014 – the 
>>>>>> 75th anniversary of the museum’s opening. We have a Facebook page and a 
>>>>>> group on meetup.com, where details of our first meeting are. Please 
>>>>>> “Like” us on Facebook and RSVP on meetup.com. You can sign the petition 
>>>>>> in person at our first gathering, the details of which are on 
>>>>

Re: [Texascavers] Mexico travel related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

That is very sad.  That is one of my favorite areas.  I, too, have fond 
memories of eating the most delicious langostinos there (restaurant/lobster 
farm was called Boca Toma II).


 
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On Wednesday, February 19, 2014 11:47 PM, David  wrote:
 
I have not been following any news at all in Mexico, since my last
post on the subject did not go so well.     So to my Mexican caving
friends, I apoligize if this post sounds bias or negative towards
your beautiful country, or if the news story is bogus.


Today, I saw a news story that looked alarming.

It is in an area that I used to love to go caving in.

Gomez Farias near the Nacimiento del Rio Frio.

    http://www.horacero.com.mx/noticia/?id=NHCVL124028

Hopefully this is just another exaggerated narco-traffic story.

It appears to be a recent news item.

For those of you who have never been to Gomez Farias, it is
a paradise for cavers, birders, swimmers, and hikers.

I would love to spend a week there each year, when the butterflies
are passing thru ( if there are any left that still do that ).

Unfortunately, of about 3 road-trips I went to around there, we either never
located the entrance or ran out of time, or the pits just were blind
and not too exciting.      Some of the best "langostinos," I ever
had was there.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RF84A4V0418

I miss Mexico.     I married a woman from Mexico in 2001,
and never went back.   One of the ironic things about my life.

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] endangered cave critters of central Texas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

That's a pretty unenlightened view of the issue, Bill. 


 
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On Monday, March 3, 2014 9:43 AM, Mixon Bill  wrote:
 
http://www.fws.gov/southwest/es/Documents/R2ES/Bexar_RP_Taxo_module.pdf

Endangered Karst Invertebrate Taxonomy of Central Texas

A catalog of what's on the official Insignificant Species List. Learn  
what not to report to the feds to keep their sticky fingers off our  
caves.

"Specimens should be collected from locations not known to contain  
endangered karst invertebrates by an individual that has a valid  
section 10(a)(1)(A) permit (or Enhancement of Survival permit) from  
the Service or be accompanied by someone that has such a permit."  
Yeah, right. -- Mixon

To move your oxygen, a haemoglobin molecule contains about 10,000  
atoms and carries 8 atoms of oxygen. A red blood cell contains about  
280 million haemoglobin molecules, and a pint of blood contains about  
160 trillion red blood cells.

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Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

1998. Rained like a sumbich.  

Sent from my iPhone

On Feb 26, 2014, at 6:25 AM, Mike Flannigan  wrote:

> 
> It rained like crazy as we climbed the cliff to enter Sandtleben Cave, 
> but had quit by the time we exited the cave.  That was in 1999, or 
> perhaps 1998.  Here are some pics from that trip:
> 
> 
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(8).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(9).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(11).jpg
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/1999_marneldo_ranch_(13).jpg
> 
> 
> I'd like to go back someday too.
> 
> 
> Mike Flannigan
> 
> 
> On 2/24/2014 12:40 PM, texascavers-digest-h...@texascavers.com wrote:
>> 
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
>> From: Julia Germany 
>> Date: 2/24/2014 10:37 AM
>> To: cavercr...@gmail.com, texascavers@texascavers.com
>> EXCELLENT trip report, Jim!
>> 
>> I remember going to the Marneldo Ranch a really long time ago.  Was there 
>> still water in the swimming hole?
>> 
>> Wasn't Sandtleben where we all took refuge from a passing storm and wrote 
>> Haikus?
>> 
>> Let me know the next time you are heading out there.
>> 
>> So sorry to hear that they parceled the land, but not surprised.  AWESOME 
>> that you met the various owners and got relationships started for more 
>> caving in the area!
>> 
>> julia
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Jim Kennedy 
>> To: CaveTex 
>> Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2014 10:23 am
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Bullies, and a (wait for it!) Trip Report
>> 
>> I, for one, prefer the discourse of real cavers. But removing people from 
>> the 
>> list goes against everything we stand for, unless there is a serious beach 
>> of 
>> protocol that even cavers will not tolerate. To get us back to reality 
>> (caving), 
>> I offer the following trip report.
>> 
>> This past weekend I took eight other cavers back to the historic Marneldo 
>> Ranch 
>> in Uvalde County. We started caving out there in 1997 and were pretty active 
>> for 
>> about 6 years before quitting for some reason. In the meantime, the ranch 
>> has 
>> been broken up and now the family only has about 850 acres left. 
>> 
>> Last year one of the new landowners contacted me about checking out his 
>> caves. I 
>> didn't know of any on that parcel, so I agreed. A small reconnaissance party 
>> of 
>> me, Lee Jay Graves, Will Quast, and Kris Peña enjoyed wonderful hospitality 
>> and 
>> were shown two new caves and found two more. And earlier this year Jean 
>> Krejca 
>> and I had the opportunity to revisit this guy, and also reconnected with the 
>> owners of the remaining Marneldo, who treated me like a long-lost cousin. 
>> They 
>> asked me to give a presentation on caves to their valley-wide wildlife 
>> association meeting, and I readily agreed. 
>> 
>> The meeting was held this past Saturday, at one of the ramcher's homes (a 
>> new 
>> contact for me). I spoke for about an hour to a very interested and engaged 
>> audience. I think I met four more new landowners there, and even had a great 
>> conversation with the local feed store owner, who was pretty knowledgeable 
>> about 
>> local caves and rock shelters. After the meeting, one of the new (to me) 
>> owners 
>> took us out on his place and showed us some very promising karst features. 
>> 
>> Meanwhile, I had three teams out surveying. Galen Falgout, Ellie Watson, and 
>> Lee 
>> Jay Graves surveyed Montana Cave on Jim Livergood's place, one of the new 
>> caves 
>> from last year. Galen sketched and did a fine job. Will Quast, Kris Peña, 
>> and 
>> Guin McDade surveyed Salamander Cave on the adjacent property, now owned by 
>> Bob 
>> Hixon. This is another new (to us) cave that we were shown last year, but I 
>> suspect it may be Reddell's long-lost (from the early 60s) Grape Hollow 
>> Cave. 
>> Lastly, Ben Hutchins led Yazmin Avila and Bryce Smith on a complete resurvey 
>> of 
>> Falling Animal Cave, which was never finished by previous surveyors. The new 
>> sketch is vastly more detailed, and a worthy record of this significant 
>> cave. 
>> 
>> In the afternoon a bunch of us worked on the new karst features before 
>> having to 
>> quit for dinner. We made a quick jaunt back to Hixon's to look at the 
>> dinosaur 
>> tracks, and then joined the Livergoods for a wonderful venison roast, 
>> supplemented by a  crock pot pork roast with vegetables from Ellie and 
>> Galen. 
>> Afterwards we drove back to Marneldo for drinks with owners Todd and Beth 
>> Figg. 
>> Another neighboring rancher, John McNair and his wife, were having dinner 
>> with 
>> the Figgs, so we had lots more great conversations about caves. 
>> 
>> Sunday morning we treated the Livergoods to a huge bacon and egg breakfast. 
>> Afterwards, I took everyone to Sandtleben Cave on the Figg's place. It's 
>> about 
>> 1500 feet of pleasant walking passage, with fascinating geology and biology. 
>> But 
>> before that cave, we had one more treat. 

Re: [Texascavers] Cavetex, etc.

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Amen, Nancy.  It might be funny if we weren't talking about a real person, a 
member of our "caving family", someone who is genuinely interested in all 
things cave related, and a person who consistently tries to encourage 
discussion and assist the caving community.  


 
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On Monday, February 24, 2014 9:10 AM, Nancy Weaver  wrote:
 
yet another gratuitious ugly comment.  This is why people get off cavetex.
I cannot imagine what drives this bullying - and it tells me way more about the 
person doing it than the rather eccentric, gentle and amusing person being 
bullyied.


On Feb 24, 2014, at 8:17 AM, Bill Steele wrote:

> I found a way to escape Locklear. Go in a cave. You won't see him there.
> 


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Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

I have lots of casings, grinder attachment, chemicals, spices, and a great 
book.  All courtesy of Nathan Parker via Kari. 

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On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:38 PM, Aimee Beveridge  wrote:

> I have about 5 lbs of pork, I lb of fat and a venison loin to throw in.  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> On Aug 14, 2013, at 6:17 PM, Stefan Creaser  wrote:
> 
>> Who is this “Stephan” of whom you speak?
>>  
>> From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:13 PM
>> To: James Jasek; Jim Kennedy
>> Cc: Stefan Creaser; texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>>  
>> Nothing wrong with saying “y’all”. It is just so cute coming from a Limey. 
>> Stephan, do you say “y’all” with a British accent? 
>>  
>> Allan
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: James Jasek
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 6:09  PM
>> To: Jim Kennedy
>> Cc: Stefan Creaser ; mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: sausages for TCR
>>  
>> Wow. That is terrible. What is wrong with y'all?
>>  
>> Jim
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Aug 14, 2013, at 5:51 PM, "Jim Kennedy"  wrote:
>> 
>> The power went out to my garage while we were away at Convention, so we lost 
>> about 40 pounds of meat we had in the freezer there.  We came home to a 
>> gross mess, and a freezer we may decide isn’t worth cleaning and using again.
>>  
>> On a side note, I think it is really cute when Stefan says “y’all”!
>>  
>> -- Crash
>>  
>> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2013 5:36 PM
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: [Texascavers] Anyone have meat suitable for sausages, for TCR?
>>  
>> Y’all,
>>  
>> I have several tens of pounds of pork meat for sausages in my freezer, so 
>> AimeeB and I want to make sausages for TCR. Does anyone have other meats 
>> that could be mixed with the pork for variety – venison, beef, etc.
>>  
>> We’d want to host a sausage making party - “A Sausage Fest” in the next 
>> couple of weeks, probably.
>>  
>> Cheers,
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Re: [Texascavers] tawny crazy ants

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Yes, Bill, tawny crazy ants are different and we only have ourselves to blame 
for their presence in Texas.  

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On Aug 23, 2013, at 9:52 AM, Mixon Bill  wrote:

> "Crazy ants" have been in the press off and on for over 15 years and haven't 
> driven us crazy yet. Maybe these "tawny crazy ants" are significantly 
> different, but maybe not. The info on the other crazy ant on the A&M site is 
> very similar. Anyway, thanks, George, for pointing us to the Texas A&M site, 
> which appears to be authoritative. A press release quoting only a guy who 
> runs an exterminating company (and who named the ants after himself) is 
> hardly worth notice.
> 
> Anyway, sounds like another species that is, with human help, finding a nice 
> new niche. Who says humans only harm species? -- Mixon
> 
> A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely 
> fatal.
> 
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[Texascavers] New paper

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

http://www.biomedcentral.com/1471-2148/13/201

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Re: [Texascavers] salamander paper

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Thanks, Bill.  All authors contributed at least 1/3!

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On Sep 25, 2013, at 12:29 PM, Mixon Bill  wrote:

> Thanks, Andy, to the link for the salamander paper. A direct route to the 
> most readable version is 
> http://www.biomedcentral.com/content/pdf/1471-2148-13-201.pdf. Use this and 
> you won't have to ferret it out on the publisher's web site. I'm happy that 
> the paper is open access, and also the unusual feature at the end where the 
> contributions of the various alleged authors are briefly declared. That gives 
> at least a chance of deciding who really were authors and who should just 
> have been in the acknowledgements, in my view. (If I were editing a journal, 
> I'd insist that "authors" show me what part, not less than one third, of the 
> paper they actually wrote. It would be a very thin journal.) -- Mixon
> 
> A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely 
> fatal.
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Re: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Those were vegetarian sausages.  The eggs were from my chickens.  Yours was 
still warm when I cracked it!


 
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 From: David 
To: Cavers Texas  
Sent: Tuesday, May 7, 2013 12:47 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Kiwi Sink related
 


I have only been home 24 hours and I am already reminiscing about all the fun I 
had in Kiwi Sink yesterday.


This is just an opinion, but when I was down on my knees digging, I wish I had 
had the rock pick shown in the link below:


http://www.estwing.com/img/products/g_geo_paleo.jpg


Any rock-pick type hammer would have been more efficient, but this one has a 
pointed end and a chiseled end, and a longer handle, and better grip.

A layman's description of the stuff that I was digging in, was a compressed 
pile of limestone rocks, with each rock being about the size of the hand, held 
tightly together by lots of dirt mixed with clay , pebbles, and a few oyster 
shells, some tiny pieces of tree.    Occasionally there would be a rock big 
enough that you needed 2 hands to lift it up. And there were some that you 
couldn't lift, or that 2 people would not be able to lift.  The really big 
rocks were hoisted out in place using old nylon-webbing lifting-straps.    


One caver's theory is that old-timers back in the late 1800's and later dumped 
all this stuff
in the sinkhole in order to fill it up, and that diggers have not yet reached 
the real cave breakdown.


Another mentioned that he said, old-timers gossiped about a long cave being in 
this area.


On a side note,   

Andy makes the best turkey-sausage breakfast muffin.    Were those from his
home-grown organic turkeys ??


If Kiwi Sink were an hour away, I would have gone digging in it after work 
today, but it is a 7 hour round-trip for me.


I have a current photo of the entrance if anybody cares to see it.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-EfCz-Tznfps/UYhK8Uks6zI/B8M/i23E_Ip0KDI/w1062-h636/13+-+1


David Locklear

Re: [SWR] Local News Story

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Pretty good story overall.  Thanks for sharing.


 
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 From: Geary Schindel 
To: 'Peter Jones' ; DONALD G.DAVIS  
Cc: Southwestern Region  
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2013 8:36 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story
 

As my boss once told me "I'll never hold you accountable for what you said to 
the press, only what the press said you said".

Misquotes are a common part of the job.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xzq2vr_scientists-study-aquifer-contamination_news#.UY01JbXU_zA

Here is a little piece on tracer testing we did for the National Groundwater 
Association - groundwater summit that was held here in San Antonio a week ago. 
A local TV station wanted to do a short piece on the aquifer. They actually did 
a pretty good job considering WHO they had to work with.

Geary Schindel

-Original Message-
From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Peter 
Jones
Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2013 10:35 AM
To: DONALD G.DAVIS
Cc: Southwestern Region
Subject: Re: [SWR] Local News Story

As I said to Peter Youngbaer, who commented that Hazel had been at the gates of 
hell in the past, perhaps she's the Gatekeeper..

Peter




On May 9, 2013, at 11:07 AM, DONALD G. DAVIS wrote:

>> I asked the reporter about it and she responded that she may have 
>> been confused with an aquifer that Hazel was also talking about off 
>> camera. I gave the reporter the chance to say it was like "20,000 
>> leagues under the sea" where it was referring to distance and not 
>> depth; but, she didn't take it.
>> 
>> William
> 
>     Maybe she was told that the top of the water table was 1,500 feet 
> deep in Lech., and remembered that as 15,000.
>                             --Donald
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Re: [Texascavers] A way to find caves in the Guads

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

This sounds like a job for Agent Cooper.  

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2013, at 4:52 PM, "Lee H. Skinner"  wrote:

> Hunters In Louisiana Build Thermal Camera Carrying Drone to Hunt Hogs
> 
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/d5fnsgr
> N?ow how about using it to hunt blowholes in the Guadalupes on a cold winter 
> day, or hot summer day with that thermal camera.?
> Lee Skinner

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

The landowner is named Kiwi.  He said it is a childhood nickname but wouldn't 
elaborate.   Great guy!

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2013, at 3:47 AM, "Preston Forsythe"  wrote:

> E-DIG-er that was an interesting Kiwi digging report with a lot of progress 
> made.  Glad it was not too hot on a Sunday afternoon.
>  
> Is it possible to sometime attach a simple plan and profile map of the 
> progress as it may be awhile before some of us can see Kiwi? Some of us 
> "older" cave surveyors love our maps.
>  
> By the way I have already forgotten where the name Kiwi comes from?
>  
> Preston
>  
> --
> - Original Message -
> From: Gill Edigar
> To: Cavers Texas
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2013 9:24 PM
> Subject: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Dig
> 
> KIWI SINK Dig Report--19 May 2013--Pretty nice day today with but 6 diggers 
> in existence. The place was a bit crowded with 7 barrels waiting to be filled 
> and lots of back fill, soaked by the recent rain, waiting to be dug. Having a 
> short crew was pretty much a good thing as we were a bit crowded and there 
> being a shortage of places to put the barrels. We filled 7 barrels by noon 
> and undermined and isolated a few rocks that would need hoisting. As soon as 
> the barrels were all loaded we started hauling them out of the pit and to the 
> dumping grounds. That job was finished by a little after one o'clock and we 
> set back to digging and loading barrels again. Come 3:30 and we had 4 barrels 
> and several more rocks, some weighing 4 or 5 hundred pounds, waiting in line 
> to be hoisted. Some of were working in the sun on a hot day (low '90s) and 
> were becoming weary. We set about to hoisting some barrels to provide space 
> to dig floor material away but by the time that had been done most of the 
> people left were ready to quit. So we did. 
> The winch got wanky on the last couple of lifts. Need to suss out the cause. 
> Totals fore the day: 11 barrels and 3 rocks, 2 being relatively large. 
> 
> Those who attended:
> Don Broussard
> Gill Ediger
> Ernie Garza 
> Amdy Gluesenkamp 
> David Locklear 
> John Schneider
> 
> Visitors were:
> Bob West 
> Cindy Chamberlin-West 
> Thanks to everyone for helping out.
> 
> --Ediger

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my "do" list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: "jerryat...@aol.com" 
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Galo" 
>Date: July 18, 2013 10:02:53 PM CDT
>To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
>Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
>Reply-To: iztaxochitla-ow...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
>
>
Reportaje del periódico El Universal en México sobre el sótano de las 
Golondrinas. En las entrañas del abismo más profundo de la Huasteca Potosina, 
en compañía de un espeleólogo. 
>
>Link: 
>http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/graficosanimados13/EU_Sotano_Golondrinas/
>
>Saludos
>
>Galo
>
>
>
>
>
>16° Congreso Internacional de Espeleología. Brno, 21 a 28 de julio de 2013
>http://www.speleo2013.com/
>
>Goldschmidt 2013. 25-30 de agosto. Florencia
>http://goldschmidt.info/2013/index
>
>Balkan Speleological Conference. 28-30 March 2014, Sofia
>http://www.balkan-speleo-2014.eu/eng/home.html
>
>XII Congreso IAEG. Torino, Italia. 15 a 19 de septiembre de 2014.
>http://www.iaeg2014.com/
>
>Entrañas del Mundo Perdido
>http://www.charlesbrewercarias.com/
>
>Glackma: Glaciares, criokarst y medio ambiente
>http://www.glackma.es/
>
>Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
>http://quimred.fq.uh.cu/sec/
>
>Cultura de Montaña http://www.culturademontania.com.ar
>
>Espeleofoto http://www.espeleofoto.com/
>
>Arqueología subacuática
>http://www.inah.gob.mx/paseos/SubAcuatico/SubAcuatico.html
>
>Aviso de Tormentas Intensas y Granizo: 
>http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/avisos/tormentas/tormenta.html
>
>Pronóstico de lluvias y temperaturas en las principales ciudades de México
>http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/mcs/mcs09b.html
>
>Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleólogicas - UMAE
>http://www.umae.org
>
>Espeleo Rescate México
>http://www.espeleorescatemexico.com/
>
>¿Quieres venir a México?
>http://www.inami.gob.mx/principal.asp
>
>FEALC - http://www.fealc.org/
>
>Unión Internacional de Espeleología - UIS
>www.uis-speleo.org
>
>International Journal of Speleology http://www.ijs.speleo.it/index.php?lang=spa
>
>Código de Etica de la UIS para la Exploración y Ciencia Relacionadas con 
>Cuevas en Países Extranjeros
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-en.html (inglés)
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-es.html (español)
>
>Contactos UIS en cada país:
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/addresses/address.html
>
>Derecho de Autor en Internet
>http://www.nosolousabilidad.com/articulos/da_internet.htm
>
>Ley Federal de Derecho de Autor 
>http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/122.pdf 
>Enlaces a Yahoo! Grupos
>
><*> Para visitar tu grupo en la web, ve a:
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Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

On a related note:  This message from a friend.

-
 

I just wanted to highlight the new app for tablets from
Google Maps.  One of the key features is the ability to save aerial
imagery and other layers for later use when you do not have reception.  This
is not an obvious feature, but it is important:
 
From: 
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/an-improved-google-maps-app-for-apple-and-android-devices/
 
“* Offline maps. This feature is something of an Easter egg. It’s
undocumented, a feature inserted by Google engineers simply because they wanted
it. You can access it only if you know the secret. But wow, is it worth it.
This feature memorizes the map data for whatever area is displayed on your
screen right now (up to a whole city in size). That way, you can use Google
Maps even when you’re overseas and don’t want to turn on data roaming (because
that’s insanely expensive), or when you’re in an area where there’s no cell
reception. It’s very handy.
To capture a map snapshot like this, tap in the Search box. Use the
speech-recognition button and say, “OK Maps.” (It’s a riff on the command “OK
Glass” that prepares Google Glass, the company’s “smart headband,” for voice
commands.)
A message quietly lets you know you’ve successfully stored the displayed
area.”
 
You can also do this with other apps, but this will be a
convenient feature to have on Google Maps.
---


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth
 

         Rick Royer just pointed out an even better way to get 
topographic maps overlain onto Google Earth.  First be sure that the 
option "Show web results in external browser" 
(Tools/Options/General/Display) is turned off in order for this to 
load within Google Earth; otherwise you get it in an external web 
browser instead.  In the Layers area at the bottom left, click on 
Earth Gallery.  That brings up a web page with all sorts of add-ons 
for Google Earth.  Click on the Terrain & Elevation link, and then on 
Historical Topographic Maps (USGS).  That adds a new Layer of 
seamless topo maps similar to the method below, except that the 
resolution is better.  The opacity can be controlled by the slider, 
just as before.  Very nice!

Mark

At 03:45 PM 5/21/2013, Mark Minton wrote:
>         A couple of years ago I posted a method to get seamless 
> topo map coverage as an overlay in Google Earth.  The method 
> presented there (topomaps.kmz) no longer works, but I've found a 
> replacement.  Go to 
> 
>  
> and get the new file exolife.kml (_not_ the attachment at the end 
> of the message!).  It may install itself into Google Earth 
> automatically if GE is open; otherwise, just click on the file once 
> you have it, then right click on it in Google Earth and go to 
> Properties.  Under the Refresh tab, change View-Based Refresh to 
> After Camera Stops, with a time delay of 4 seconds.  This speeds up 
> loading time for regular views since the topo maps are not 
> constantly trying to download when you're just moving around.  Drag 
> the topomap overlay from Temporary Places to My Places so that you 
> will not have to load and configure it next time you want to use it.
>         This works by linking to a server of topo maps; the actual 
> maps are not downloaded to your computer except for the view you 
> have up on the screen, so it does not take up a lot of memory or 
> storage space.  It creates an image overlay of the appropriate topo 
> map on top of the normal Google Earth satellite view.  It works in 
> combination with any other image overlays you may have, like the 
> .kml file for a cave line plot (exportable from Compass).  You can 
> vary the transparency of overlays from invisible to opaque using a 
> slider, so you can have as dark or light amount of topo info as you 
> want, or you can turn that layer off altogether.  This doubles as a 
> way to have seamless topo map coverage of the entire country.  Very handy!
>
>Mark

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[Texascavers] Texas WNS Surveillance funding opportunity

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

White-nose Syndrome Funding Opportunity

 
Texas Parks and Wildlife Department (TPWD) has received funding under the 
Endangered Species Conservation: Recovery Implementation Funds Grant Program 
for 
a project titled Surveillance and Monitoring of White-nose Syndrome in Texas 
Bats. The grant agreement period is September 1, 2013-April 30, 2014. and the 
grant total is $39,566. Final reports (financial and performance) will be due 
no 
later than July 22, 2014.
We are seeking a qualified researcher to conduct the activities described in 
the proposal below. We welcome alterations and modifications to the timeline 
and 
methods presented as long as the deliverables meet those outlined in the 
proposal.
Interested parties are invited to submit a scope of work, budget, and 
description of qualifications by August 15, 2013 to: 
andy.gluesenk...@tpwd.texas.gov. Questions and comments should be directed to 
the same e-mail 
address or call (512) 389-8722.
More information and a link to the proposal can be found here:
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/huntwild/wild/wildlife_diversity/grants/wns.phtml/

Re: [Texascavers] KIWI SINK Report

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

educe
> everything
> > above floor level to about that level before we try to
> break into the
> > new underfloor passage opened up by Erin a couple of
> weeks ago. That
> > is to be done so that the many yards of loose fill
> don't fall into the
> > new lead whilst we're removing them. Currently we have
> the lead
> > protected with plywood to minimizing infilling from the
> higher areas
> > adjacent to the floor lead. Today we filled up 6-1/2
> barrels and
> > hauled out 6 of um. Then hoisted 3 or 4 lifts of rocks,
> some in
> > tandem, before we had a mechanical malfunction with the
> jin-poles on
> > the rear of the truck. 2 or 3 rocks remain to be
> raised. Many suitcase
> > sized rocks were excavated, loosened, and prepared for
> removal. Most
> > made the transition to the surface; a few are still
> awaiting another
> > session or two of backfill removal that will be needed
> before we can
> > open up Erin's floor lead to see where it goes. A
> rather large
> > contingent of cavers showed up today, many without
> caving gear. The
> > list of diggers:
> > 
> > Dale Barnard
> > Don Broussard
> > Erin Brown
> > Andrew Davison
> > Gill Ediger
> > Chris Franke
> > Ryan Monjaras
> > John Schneider
> > Terry Raines drove the truck and ran the hoist.
> > 
> > ...and visitors:
> > Leslie Bell
> > Jay Jorden
> > RD Milhollan
> > Andy Gluesenkamp
> > 
> > Today was very productive.
> > --Gill Ediger
> > 
> > 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Holy Cow!  I'd drop it (right off my "do" list) at that rate.  Dropping it 
should be free, it's the climb out that's worth paying for...

 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: "jerryat...@aol.com" 
To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2013 12:11 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Fwd: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
 


Check out the cost of dropping the pit with a guide.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:


From: "Galo" 
>Date: July 18, 2013 10:02:53 PM CDT
>To: iztaxochi...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
>Subject: [iztaxochitla] Sótano de las Golondrinas
>Reply-To: iztaxochitla-ow...@yahoogrupos.com.mx
>
>
Reportaje del periódico El Universal en México sobre el sótano de las 
Golondrinas. En las entrañas del abismo más profundo de la Huasteca Potosina, 
en compañía de un espeleólogo. 
>
>Link: 
>http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/graficos/graficosanimados13/EU_Sotano_Golondrinas/
>
>Saludos
>
>Galo
>
>
>
>
>
>16° Congreso Internacional de Espeleología. Brno, 21 a 28 de julio de 2013
>http://www.speleo2013.com/
>
>Goldschmidt 2013. 25-30 de agosto. Florencia
>http://goldschmidt.info/2013/index
>
>Balkan Speleological Conference. 28-30 March 2014, Sofia
>http://www.balkan-speleo-2014.eu/eng/home.html
>
>XII Congreso IAEG. Torino, Italia. 15 a 19 de septiembre de 2014.
>http://www.iaeg2014.com/
>
>Entrañas del Mundo Perdido
>http://www.charlesbrewercarias.com/
>
>Glackma: Glaciares, criokarst y medio ambiente
>http://www.glackma.es/
>
>Sociedad Espeleológica de Cuba
>http://quimred.fq.uh.cu/sec/
>
>Cultura de Montaña http://www.culturademontania.com.ar
>
>Espeleofoto http://www.espeleofoto.com/
>
>Arqueología subacuática
>http://www.inah.gob.mx/paseos/SubAcuatico/SubAcuatico.html
>
>Aviso de Tormentas Intensas y Granizo: 
>http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/avisos/tormentas/tormenta.html
>
>Pronóstico de lluvias y temperaturas en las principales ciudades de México
>http://smn.cna.gob.mx/boletin/mcs/mcs09b.html
>
>Unión Mexicana de Agrupaciones Espeleólogicas - UMAE
>http://www.umae.org
>
>Espeleo Rescate México
>http://www.espeleorescatemexico.com/
>
>¿Quieres venir a México?
>http://www.inami.gob.mx/principal.asp
>
>FEALC - http://www.fealc.org/
>
>Unión Internacional de Espeleología - UIS
>www.uis-speleo.org
>
>International Journal of Speleology http://www.ijs.speleo.it/index.php?lang=spa
>
>Código de Etica de la UIS para la Exploración y Ciencia Relacionadas con 
>Cuevas en Países Extranjeros
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-en.html (inglés)
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/ethic-es.html (español)
>
>Contactos UIS en cada país:
>http://www.uis-speleo.org/addresses/address.html
>
>Derecho de Autor en Internet
>http://www.nosolousabilidad.com/articulos/da_internet.htm
>
>Ley Federal de Derecho de Autor 
>http://www.diputados.gob.mx/LeyesBiblio/pdf/122.pdf 
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Re: [SWR] [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

On a related note:  This message from a friend.

-
 

I just wanted to highlight the new app for tablets from
Google Maps.  One of the key features is the ability to save aerial
imagery and other layers for later use when you do not have reception.  This
is not an obvious feature, but it is important:
 
From: 
http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/an-improved-google-maps-app-for-apple-and-android-devices/
 
“* Offline maps. This feature is something of an Easter egg. It’s
undocumented, a feature inserted by Google engineers simply because they wanted
it. You can access it only if you know the secret. But wow, is it worth it.
This feature memorizes the map data for whatever area is displayed on your
screen right now (up to a whole city in size). That way, you can use Google
Maps even when you’re overseas and don’t want to turn on data roaming (because
that’s insanely expensive), or when you’re in an area where there’s no cell
reception. It’s very handy.
To capture a map snapshot like this, tap in the Search box. Use the
speech-recognition button and say, “OK Maps.” (It’s a riff on the command “OK
Glass” that prepares Google Glass, the company’s “smart headband,” for voice
commands.)
A message quietly lets you know you’ve successfully stored the displayed
area.”
 
You can also do this with other apps, but this will be a
convenient feature to have on Google Maps.
---


 
Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com



 From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2013 10:54 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Topo Maps for Google Earth
 

         Rick Royer just pointed out an even better way to get 
topographic maps overlain onto Google Earth.  First be sure that the 
option "Show web results in external browser" 
(Tools/Options/General/Display) is turned off in order for this to 
load within Google Earth; otherwise you get it in an external web 
browser instead.  In the Layers area at the bottom left, click on 
Earth Gallery.  That brings up a web page with all sorts of add-ons 
for Google Earth.  Click on the Terrain & Elevation link, and then on 
Historical Topographic Maps (USGS).  That adds a new Layer of 
seamless topo maps similar to the method below, except that the 
resolution is better.  The opacity can be controlled by the slider, 
just as before.  Very nice!

Mark

At 03:45 PM 5/21/2013, Mark Minton wrote:
>         A couple of years ago I posted a method to get seamless 
> topo map coverage as an overlay in Google Earth.  The method 
> presented there (topomaps.kmz) no longer works, but I've found a 
> replacement.  Go to 
> 
>  
> and get the new file exolife.kml (_not_ the attachment at the end 
> of the message!).  It may install itself into Google Earth 
> automatically if GE is open; otherwise, just click on the file once 
> you have it, then right click on it in Google Earth and go to 
> Properties.  Under the Refresh tab, change View-Based Refresh to 
> After Camera Stops, with a time delay of 4 seconds.  This speeds up 
> loading time for regular views since the topo maps are not 
> constantly trying to download when you're just moving around.  Drag 
> the topomap overlay from Temporary Places to My Places so that you 
> will not have to load and configure it next time you want to use it.
>         This works by linking to a server of topo maps; the actual 
> maps are not downloaded to your computer except for the view you 
> have up on the screen, so it does not take up a lot of memory or 
> storage space.  It creates an image overlay of the appropriate topo 
> map on top of the normal Google Earth satellite view.  It works in 
> combination with any other image overlays you may have, like the 
> .kml file for a cave line plot (exportable from Compass).  You can 
> vary the transparency of overlays from invisible to opaque using a 
> slider, so you can have as dark or light amount of topo info as you 
> want, or you can turn that layer off altogether.  This doubles as a 
> way to have seamless topo map coverage of the entire country.  Very handy!
>
>Mark

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