Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Cavers have been good about reporting issues on both the private and public 
land to Mr. Grider, Dr. Kinzer, the McNabbs (who bought the old Hudson Place 
and got the allottment) and BLM, like dead livestock, gates left open (usually 
by oryx hunters), etc.  Good land owner/allottment relations which SWR has 
always been good at.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 04:08 PM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Cc: Debbie Buecher 
Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

All,
Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource 
Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of 
Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the BLM 
is intending to provide more open access to the public land where Crockett's 
Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that area that have 
no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of these are located 
on private land and gated and locked at the highway by various ranchers.  
As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public 
lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing roads 
that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is adjacent 
to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an agreement 
cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and the NM Game and 
Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck Schmidt spoke on 
behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman as well, though I do 
not recall his name.
There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all said 
that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land, that they 
have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the way things are 
working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you have to call one of 
these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to go in, and open it 
again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a permit to Crockett's 
Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that someone will be there, and 
gives the combination to the gate to the permittee.) 
There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness 
and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in 
favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton 
Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the 
ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with the 
present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt that all 
of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible way any 
time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance to being 
able to do that.
The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little 
support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to 
the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it is 
my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants 
doesn't really have much weight.)
What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I talked 
to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser -- and 
they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always welcome to come.
So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the cavers) 
have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it that way.

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.


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Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Cavers have been good about reporting issues on both the private and public 
land to Mr. Grider, Dr. Kinzer, the McNabbs (who bought the old Hudson Place 
and got the allottment) and BLM, like dead livestock, gates left open (usually 
by oryx hunters), etc.  Good land owner/allottment relations which SWR has 
always been good at.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 04:08 PM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Cc: Debbie Buecher 
Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

All,
Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource 
Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of 
Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the BLM 
is intending to provide more open access to the public land where Crockett's 
Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that area that have 
no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of these are located 
on private land and gated and locked at the highway by various ranchers.  
As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public 
lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing roads 
that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is adjacent 
to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an agreement 
cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and the NM Game and 
Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck Schmidt spoke on 
behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman as well, though I do 
not recall his name.
There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all said 
that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land, that they 
have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the way things are 
working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you have to call one of 
these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to go in, and open it 
again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a permit to Crockett's 
Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that someone will be there, and 
gives the combination to the gate to the permittee.) 
There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness 
and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in 
favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton 
Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the 
ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with the 
present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt that all 
of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible way any 
time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance to being 
able to do that.
The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little 
support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to 
the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it is 
my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants 
doesn't really have much weight.)
What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I talked 
to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser -- and 
they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always welcome to come.
So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the cavers) 
have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it that way.

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.


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Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Cavers have been good about reporting issues on both the private and public 
land to Mr. Grider, Dr. Kinzer, the McNabbs (who bought the old Hudson Place 
and got the allottment) and BLM, like dead livestock, gates left open (usually 
by oryx hunters), etc.  Good land owner/allottment relations which SWR has 
always been good at.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 04:08 PM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Cc: Debbie Buecher 
Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

All,
Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource 
Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of 
Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the BLM 
is intending to provide more open access to the public land where Crockett's 
Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that area that have 
no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of these are located 
on private land and gated and locked at the highway by various ranchers.  
As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public 
lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing roads 
that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is adjacent 
to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an agreement 
cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and the NM Game and 
Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck Schmidt spoke on 
behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman as well, though I do 
not recall his name.
There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all said 
that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land, that they 
have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the way things are 
working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you have to call one of 
these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to go in, and open it 
again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a permit to Crockett's 
Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that someone will be there, and 
gives the combination to the gate to the permittee.) 
There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness 
and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in 
favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton 
Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the 
ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with the 
present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt that all 
of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible way any 
time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance to being 
able to do that.
The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little 
support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to 
the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it is 
my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants 
doesn't really have much weight.)
What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I talked 
to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser -- and 
they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always welcome to come.
So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the cavers) 
have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it that way.

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written this.


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Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Maybe we ought to think on a Regional over there - maybe further south where 
the 1880s Army/latter day stage road crosses the flow.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:18 PM
To: John Corcoran 
Cc: 'Mailing List for SWR' ; 'Debbie Buecher' 

Subject: Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory 
Committee

John,
I suspect that one of the reasons that more work has not been done in 
this area, and on the other side of the lava flow as well, is exactly that.  It 
wouldn't surprise me that there are yet undiscovered karst resources in these 
areas.
  
On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:53 PM, John Corcoran wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
> 
> Although it has been a long time since I visited the Crocket's Cave area,
> there have been a number of times that I wanted to do an impromptu trip to
> look at the geology of the area, but felt it wasn't worth the trouble of
> arranging in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
> Steve Peerman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: Mailing List for SWR
> Cc: Debbie Buecher
> Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory
> Committee
> 
> All,  
>   Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource
> Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of
> Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the
> BLM is intending to provide more open access to the public land where
> Crockett's Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that
> area that have no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of
> these are located on private land and gated and locked at the highway by
> various ranchers.  
>   As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public
> lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing
> roads that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is
> adjacent to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an
> agreement cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and
> the NM Game and Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck
> Schmidt spoke on behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman
> as well, though I do not recall his name.
>   There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all
> said that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land,
> that they have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the
> way things are working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you
> have to call one of these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to
> go in, and open it again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a
> permit to Crockett's Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that
> someone will be there, and gives the combination to the gate to the
> permittee.) 
>   There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness
> and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in
> favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton
> Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the
> ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with
> the present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt
> that all of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible
> way any time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance
> to being able to do that.
>   The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little
> support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to
> the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it
> is my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants
> doesn't really have much weight.)
>   What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I
> talked to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser
> -- and they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always
> welcome to come.
>   So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the
> cavers) have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it
> that way.
> 
> Steve Peerman
> 
>   "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
> you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away
> from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover."
>attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written
> this.
> 
> 
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Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Maybe we ought to think on a Regional over there - maybe further south where 
the 1880s Army/latter day stage road crosses the flow.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:18 PM
To: John Corcoran 
Cc: 'Mailing List for SWR' ; 'Debbie Buecher' 

Subject: Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory 
Committee

John,
I suspect that one of the reasons that more work has not been done in 
this area, and on the other side of the lava flow as well, is exactly that.  It 
wouldn't surprise me that there are yet undiscovered karst resources in these 
areas.
  
On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:53 PM, John Corcoran wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
> 
> Although it has been a long time since I visited the Crocket's Cave area,
> there have been a number of times that I wanted to do an impromptu trip to
> look at the geology of the area, but felt it wasn't worth the trouble of
> arranging in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
> Steve Peerman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: Mailing List for SWR
> Cc: Debbie Buecher
> Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory
> Committee
> 
> All,  
>   Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource
> Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of
> Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the
> BLM is intending to provide more open access to the public land where
> Crockett's Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that
> area that have no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of
> these are located on private land and gated and locked at the highway by
> various ranchers.  
>   As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public
> lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing
> roads that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is
> adjacent to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an
> agreement cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and
> the NM Game and Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck
> Schmidt spoke on behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman
> as well, though I do not recall his name.
>   There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all
> said that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land,
> that they have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the
> way things are working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you
> have to call one of these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to
> go in, and open it again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a
> permit to Crockett's Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that
> someone will be there, and gives the combination to the gate to the
> permittee.) 
>   There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness
> and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in
> favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton
> Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the
> ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with
> the present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt
> that all of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible
> way any time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance
> to being able to do that.
>   The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little
> support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to
> the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it
> is my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants
> doesn't really have much weight.)
>   What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I
> talked to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser
> -- and they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always
> welcome to come.
>   So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the
> cavers) have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it
> that way.
> 
> Steve Peerman
> 
>   "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
> you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away
> from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover."
>attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written
> this.
> 
> 
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"Twenty years from now you will 

Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory Committee

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Maybe we ought to think on a Regional over there - maybe further south where 
the 1880s Army/latter day stage road crosses the flow.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 05:18 PM
To: John Corcoran 
Cc: 'Mailing List for SWR' ; 'Debbie Buecher' 

Subject: Re: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory 
Committee

John,
I suspect that one of the reasons that more work has not been done in 
this area, and on the other side of the lava flow as well, is exactly that.  It 
wouldn't surprise me that there are yet undiscovered karst resources in these 
areas.
  
On Jun 5, 2012, at 4:53 PM, John Corcoran wrote:

> Thanks Steve,
> 
> Although it has been a long time since I visited the Crocket's Cave area,
> there have been a number of times that I wanted to do an impromptu trip to
> look at the geology of the area, but felt it wasn't worth the trouble of
> arranging in advance.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of
> Steve Peerman
> Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2012 4:09 PM
> To: Mailing List for SWR
> Cc: Debbie Buecher
> Subject: [SWR] Meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource Advisory
> Committee
> 
> All,  
>   Wayne and I attended a meeting of the Lincoln County Land Resource
> Advisory Committee this morning in Ruidoso.  We were there at the request of
> Chuck Schmidt and Doug Burger.  The reason for their request was that the
> BLM is intending to provide more open access to the public land where
> Crockett's Cave is located.  There are 87 sections of public land in that
> area that have no open access.  There are three roads into the area.  All of
> these are located on private land and gated and locked at the highway by
> various ranchers.  
>   As I understand it, the BLM is mandated to provide access to public
> lands where feasible.  The only feasible access, other than the existing
> roads that go across private lands is to build a road on state land that is
> adjacent to Hwy 380.  BLM would prefer not to build a new road, but if an
> agreement cannot be found with one or more of the ranchers, then they and
> the NM Game and Fish dept. will work jointly to build a new road.  Chuck
> Schmidt spoke on behalf of the BLM and there was a NM Game & Fish spokesman
> as well, though I do not recall his name.
>   There were several ranchers present at the meeting, and they all
> said that they will allow anyone who asks them to access the public land,
> that they have never denied anyone access to the land, and they think the
> way things are working now is fine.   (The way things work now is that you
> have to call one of these folks, and they will come open the gate for you to
> go in, and open it again when you go out.  In the case of someone getting a
> permit to Crockett's Cave, Mike calls the rancher to let them know that
> someone will be there, and gives the combination to the gate to the
> permittee.) 
>   There were several hunters in the audience and some other wilderness
> and/or public land advocates along with Wayne and myself.  Some spoke up in
> favor of more open access.  I identified myself as part of the Fort Stanton
> Cave Study Project and said that I understood the difficulties that the
> ranchers face, and that I, myself had never experienced any problems with
> the present arrangements.  However, public land is just that, and I felt
> that all of us had the right to be there and use the land in any responsible
> way any time we wanted to, and that the present arrangement was a hindrance
> to being able to do that.
>   The meeting was very civil, but it was obvious that there was little
> support for BLM's position.  The committee voted unanimously to recommend to
> the county commission that the present situation be continued.  (However, it
> is my understanding that what this committee or the county commission wants
> doesn't really have much weight.)
>   What is perhaps of more interest to cavers is that Wayne and I
> talked to two of the ranchers after the meeting -- Mr. Grider and Mr. Kinser
> -- and they both said that they liked cavers, and that we were always
> welcome to come.
>   So regardless of how this works out in the end for BLM, we (the
> cavers) have a good reputation at the moment.  Let's hope we can keep it
> that way.
> 
> Steve Peerman
> 
>   "Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things
> you didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away
> from the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream.
> Discover."
>attributed to Mark Twain, but no record exists of his having written
> this.
> 
> 
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> 

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will 

Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all 
the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then.  

The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

Hi all,
We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining 
area of the cafeteria are not working.  We're working on trying to resolve the 
problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting.  If any 
of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, 
it might be useful.  How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not!

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all 
the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then.  

The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

Hi all,
We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining 
area of the cafeteria are not working.  We're working on trying to resolve the 
problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting.  If any 
of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, 
it might be useful.  How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not!

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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Re: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Strange - last year when we had the Fort Stanton Live military ball there all 
the lights worked and there have been no major functions since then.  

The friends group has a bunch of oil lanterns if those would help.

- Original Message -
From: Steve Peerman [mailto:gypca...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:43 AM
To: Mailing List for SWR 
Subject: [SWR] A new wrinkle in the SWR 50th celebration

Hi all,
We just found out this morning that most of the lights in the dining 
area of the cafeteria are not working.  We're working on trying to resolve the 
problem, but we may end up relying on some sort of portable lighting.  If any 
of you have suitable portable lights, lamps, etc., that you could bring along, 
it might be useful.  How about carbide lamps on each table? . . . . . maybe not!

Steve Peerman

"Twenty years from now you will be more disappointed by the things you 
didn't do than by the ones you did. So throw off the bowlines, Sail away from 
the safe harbor. Catch the trade winds in your sails. Explore. Dream. Discover."
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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Then I stand corrected.

- Original Message -
From: DONALD G. DAVIS [mailto:dgda...@nyx.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 04:37 PM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Cc: s...@caver.net 
Subject: Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 
>
>Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate
>
> Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
>used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
>and the tropics.
>   <http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13509>
>
>Mark
>
>Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
>Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

I don't think Victor actually pioneered this.  Stalagmite dating 
and O2-isotope temperature analysis have been in widespread use around the 
world for some years.
--Donald

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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Then I stand corrected.

- Original Message -
From: DONALD G. DAVIS [mailto:dgda...@nyx.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 04:37 PM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Cc: s...@caver.net 
Subject: Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 
>
>Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate
>
> Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
>used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
>and the tropics.
>   <http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13509>
>
>Mark
>
>Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
>Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

I don't think Victor actually pioneered this.  Stalagmite dating 
and O2-isotope temperature analysis have been in widespread use around the 
world for some years.
--Donald

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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Then I stand corrected.

- Original Message -
From: DONALD G. DAVIS [mailto:dgda...@nyx.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 04:37 PM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Cc: s...@caver.net 
Subject: Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

>I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.
>
>- Original Message -
>From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
>Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
>To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 
>
>Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate
>
> Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
>used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
>and the tropics.
>   <http://media.caltech.edu/press_releases/13509>
>
>Mark
>
>Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
>Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 

I don't think Victor actually pioneered this.  Stalagmite dating 
and O2-isotope temperature analysis have been in widespread use around the 
world for some years.
--Donald

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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.

- Original Message -
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 

Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

 Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
and the tropics.
   

Mark

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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.

- Original Message -
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 

Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

 Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
and the tropics.
   

Mark

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Re: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I hope they give credit to Victor Polyak for pioneering this.

- Original Message -
From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net]
Sent: Friday, May 04, 2012 09:34 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com ; s...@caver.net 

Subject: [SWR] Stalagmites Used to Study Pleistocene Climate

 Oxygen isotope ratios in stalagmites from Borneo have been 
used to compare the effects of past climate changes on high latitudes 
and the tropics.
   

Mark

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Re: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

[Bilbo, Michael J]

On Aaron Stockton it is aaron_stock...@blm.gov. Due to an IT change in New 
Mexico BLM, the old "@nm.blm.gov" was changed (and thus bounces) for all BLMers 
to "@blm.gov" and there are two ways to send emails to BLMers:

(1) First initial and last name - mbi...@blm.gov

(2) First name underscore last name - mike_bi...@blm.gov

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 02:06 PM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

The following email addresses will be purged (deleted ) from the SWR mailing 
list

They are bouncing

Either they are full or don'tt exist any longer:

Trent icave...@hotmail.com
Arron Stockton aaron_stock...@nm.blm.gov
Ruel Metcalfcycobo...@hotmail.com
Harvey DuChene  hduch...@comcast.net
Kate 
katma...@ml1.net
Jeff Forbes myo...@ida.net
Ray Beardsley 
raymo...@mywdo.com
Slim Baxter 
slimbax...@q.com
Lucas Clark 
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Re: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

[Bilbo, Michael J]

On Aaron Stockton it is aaron_stock...@blm.gov. Due to an IT change in New 
Mexico BLM, the old "@nm.blm.gov" was changed (and thus bounces) for all BLMers 
to "@blm.gov" and there are two ways to send emails to BLMers:

(1) First initial and last name - mbi...@blm.gov

(2) First name underscore last name - mike_bi...@blm.gov

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 02:06 PM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

The following email addresses will be purged (deleted ) from the SWR mailing 
list

They are bouncing

Either they are full or don'tt exist any longer:

Trent icave...@hotmail.com
Arron Stockton aaron_stock...@nm.blm.gov
Ruel Metcalfcycobo...@hotmail.com
Harvey DuChene  hduch...@comcast.net
Kate 
katma...@ml1.net
Jeff Forbes myo...@ida.net
Ray Beardsley 
raymo...@mywdo.com
Slim Baxter 
slimbax...@q.com
Lucas Clark 
solarismerca...@yahoo.com


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Re: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

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On Aaron Stockton it is aaron_stock...@blm.gov. Due to an IT change in New 
Mexico BLM, the old "@nm.blm.gov" was changed (and thus bounces) for all BLMers 
to "@blm.gov" and there are two ways to send emails to BLMers:

(1) First initial and last name - mbi...@blm.gov

(2) First name underscore last name - mike_bi...@blm.gov

From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net]
Sent: Sunday, April 29, 2012 02:06 PM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Housecleaning (long overdue)

The following email addresses will be purged (deleted ) from the SWR mailing 
list

They are bouncing

Either they are full or don'tt exist any longer:

Trent icave...@hotmail.com
Arron Stockton aaron_stock...@nm.blm.gov
Ruel Metcalfcycobo...@hotmail.com
Harvey DuChene  hduch...@comcast.net
Kate 
katma...@ml1.net
Jeff Forbes myo...@ida.net
Ray Beardsley 
raymo...@mywdo.com
Slim Baxter 
slimbax...@q.com
Lucas Clark 
solarismerca...@yahoo.com


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[SWR] WNS Article

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet.  Jeannine Isom from the 
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me.  BTW, the Hubbard has been 
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla 
exhibit there.

From: Jeannine Isom [mailto:jeannine.i...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Subject: Bat article

Hey Mike

This was in my news this morning. Hope you can read it. It is about the origin 
of White Nose Syndrome

http://news.yahoo.com/study-fungus-behind-bat-die-off-came-europe-191829558.html



Jeannine Isom

"If you believe that feeling bad or worrying long enough will change a past or 
future event, then you are residing on another planet with a different reality 
system."--William James, philosopher

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[SWR] WNS Article

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet.  Jeannine Isom from the 
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me.  BTW, the Hubbard has been 
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla 
exhibit there.

From: Jeannine Isom [mailto:jeannine.i...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Subject: Bat article

Hey Mike

This was in my news this morning. Hope you can read it. It is about the origin 
of White Nose Syndrome

http://news.yahoo.com/study-fungus-behind-bat-die-off-came-europe-191829558.html



Jeannine Isom

"If you believe that feeling bad or worrying long enough will change a past or 
future event, then you are residing on another planet with a different reality 
system."--William James, philosopher

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[SWR] WNS Article

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I don't recall this one having made the rounds yet.  Jeannine Isom from the 
Hubbard Museum, Ruidoso Downs, sent this to me.  BTW, the Hubbard has been 
having a series on cave-karst presentations to go along with the 3D Lechuguilla 
exhibit there.

From: Jeannine Isom [mailto:jeannine.i...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 8:25 AM
To: Bilbo, Michael J
Subject: Bat article

Hey Mike

This was in my news this morning. Hope you can read it. It is about the origin 
of White Nose Syndrome

http://news.yahoo.com/study-fungus-behind-bat-die-off-came-europe-191829558.html



Jeannine Isom

"If you believe that feeling bad or worrying long enough will change a past or 
future event, then you are residing on another planet with a different reality 
system."--William James, philosopher

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Trying to enlarge that on a Blackberry blurs it out too fast. So, in a 
brilliant combination of new and old technology (I bought a magnifying glass), 
yep - a wheatlamp and what appear to be Bomber Gear kneepads - possibly from 
the BLM cache. The big guy in the back looks like Frank Everitt but still 
couldn't zero in enough. I don't have Frank's email on this device so if anyone 
has the current, please forward to him and ask him to confirm yea or nay to 
Linda.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
 Let me know if you know anything about it.

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Trying to enlarge that on a Blackberry blurs it out too fast. So, in a 
brilliant combination of new and old technology (I bought a magnifying glass), 
yep - a wheatlamp and what appear to be Bomber Gear kneepads - possibly from 
the BLM cache. The big guy in the back looks like Frank Everitt but still 
couldn't zero in enough. I don't have Frank's email on this device so if anyone 
has the current, please forward to him and ask him to confirm yea or nay to 
Linda.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
 Let me know if you know anything about it.

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Trying to enlarge that on a Blackberry blurs it out too fast. So, in a 
brilliant combination of new and old technology (I bought a magnifying glass), 
yep - a wheatlamp and what appear to be Bomber Gear kneepads - possibly from 
the BLM cache. The big guy in the back looks like Frank Everitt but still 
couldn't zero in enough. I don't have Frank's email on this device so if anyone 
has the current, please forward to him and ask him to confirm yea or nay to 
Linda.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
 Let me know if you know anything about it.

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I-ve seen that photo before and think it was mineralogy or DNA HIB trip from 
2008-2010 but can't I'd anyone via the Blackberry screen. On Wednesday or 
Thursday I'll be able to look at permits to find the last Lincoln trips.

John Corcoran - can you do a search through FSCSP reports to see when the last 
Lincoln trips were? Diana Northup -could you do same? My recollection of late 
period pre-moratorium was a DNA HIB trip.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
 Let me know if you know anything about it.

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I-ve seen that photo before and think it was mineralogy or DNA HIB trip from 
2008-2010 but can't I'd anyone via the Blackberry screen. On Wednesday or 
Thursday I'll be able to look at permits to find the last Lincoln trips.

John Corcoran - can you do a search through FSCSP reports to see when the last 
Lincoln trips were? Diana Northup -could you do same? My recollection of late 
period pre-moratorium was a DNA HIB trip.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
 Let me know if you know anything about it.

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Re: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I-ve seen that photo before and think it was mineralogy or DNA HIB trip from 
2008-2010 but can't I'd anyone via the Blackberry screen. On Wednesday or 
Thursday I'll be able to look at permits to find the last Lincoln trips.

John Corcoran - can you do a search through FSCSP reports to see when the last 
Lincoln trips were? Diana Northup -could you do same? My recollection of late 
period pre-moratorium was a DNA HIB trip.

From: Linda Starr [mailto:lstarr...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, April 02, 2012 12:09 AM
To: Southwestern Region 
Subject: [SWR] Fwd: Lincoln Cavern photo

Hi All,
 This photo is being used in the Lincoln Caverns Discovery story written by 
Lee Skinner for the 50th Anniversary Memoir booklet. Does anyone out there 
recognize this photo and know who the people are and what year this was taken?
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Re: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Pete, along the lines of engineering LEDs to super-bright, super-powerful 
(which means hopefully we could have some fantastic headlamps maybe not too far 
in the future), I read a couple years back about the development of 
bacteria-powered batteries that would be really light and flat like 
refrigerator magnets, and last for a long, long time.  Have you read anything 
about that and if industry is moving forward on it?

From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Pete 
Lindsley
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:16 PM
To: New Mexico Caver Mailing List; Texas Cavers List
Subject: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

Shenzhen highway project uses more than 10,000 street lights

http://eetweb.com/lighting/cree_xlamp_xpg_102411/

More parts for your next cave light?

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Re: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Pete, along the lines of engineering LEDs to super-bright, super-powerful 
(which means hopefully we could have some fantastic headlamps maybe not too far 
in the future), I read a couple years back about the development of 
bacteria-powered batteries that would be really light and flat like 
refrigerator magnets, and last for a long, long time.  Have you read anything 
about that and if industry is moving forward on it?

From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Pete 
Lindsley
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:16 PM
To: New Mexico Caver Mailing List; Texas Cavers List
Subject: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

Shenzhen highway project uses more than 10,000 street lights

http://eetweb.com/lighting/cree_xlamp_xpg_102411/

More parts for your next cave light?

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Re: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

[Bilbo, Michael J]

Pete, along the lines of engineering LEDs to super-bright, super-powerful 
(which means hopefully we could have some fantastic headlamps maybe not too far 
in the future), I read a couple years back about the development of 
bacteria-powered batteries that would be really light and flat like 
refrigerator magnets, and last for a long, long time.  Have you read anything 
about that and if industry is moving forward on it?

From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Pete 
Lindsley
Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 1:16 PM
To: New Mexico Caver Mailing List; Texas Cavers List
Subject: [SWR] Brighter LEDs: Lamps hit 148 lm/W

Shenzhen highway project uses more than 10,000 street lights

http://eetweb.com/lighting/cree_xlamp_xpg_102411/

More parts for your next cave light?

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Re: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I submitted a design to Wayne.

From: Stephen Fleming [mailto:casto...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:06 AM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

Folks, the clock is ticking faster. You have less than 30 days to submit 
T-shirt/logo designs and speaker suggestions.

To date, we have a couple of design submissions and four speaker suggestions. 
If you have something or someone you want considered, you MUST get it in to the 
appropriate person (below) by Nov 1. We will be making the logo & speaker 
decisions at the Winter Tech meeting in Las Cruces, December 3.

Also, it seems procrastination rules as Linda Starr has received very few 
submissions for the memorial publication. She likely will be sending out a 
separate notice on this as well. Do not wait until the last minute to get this 
stuff in.

It's not considerate of Linda's time and effort to delay delivery of materials 
that will require editing and formatting to produce a nice publication. We want 
your summaries, general info and important events of the last 25 years in text 
and photos.

Stop thinking about doing it and GIT R DONE!

Thanks.


Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES

Please do not delay in making submissions. Your good efforts will result in a 
memorable event.

Thank you.

Nov 1, 2011, Submit t-shirt artwork to Wayne Walker, 
wcwal...@zianet.com

Nov 1, 2011, Submit speaker suggestions to Stephen Fleming,
casto...@gmail.com

Dec 3, 2011, Decisions on speaker and t-shirt design at Winter Tech meeting, 
location Las Cruces, plan on being there

Apr 1, 2012, Submit general grotto information for past 25 years to Linda 
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit memorializations for deceased SWR members (all years) to 
Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit summaries from past chairmen, project leaders, Tularosa 
convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal&   group) to Linda Starr, 
lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave
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Re: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I submitted a design to Wayne.

From: Stephen Fleming [mailto:casto...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:06 AM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

Folks, the clock is ticking faster. You have less than 30 days to submit 
T-shirt/logo designs and speaker suggestions.

To date, we have a couple of design submissions and four speaker suggestions. 
If you have something or someone you want considered, you MUST get it in to the 
appropriate person (below) by Nov 1. We will be making the logo & speaker 
decisions at the Winter Tech meeting in Las Cruces, December 3.

Also, it seems procrastination rules as Linda Starr has received very few 
submissions for the memorial publication. She likely will be sending out a 
separate notice on this as well. Do not wait until the last minute to get this 
stuff in.

It's not considerate of Linda's time and effort to delay delivery of materials 
that will require editing and formatting to produce a nice publication. We want 
your summaries, general info and important events of the last 25 years in text 
and photos.

Stop thinking about doing it and GIT R DONE!

Thanks.


Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES

Please do not delay in making submissions. Your good efforts will result in a 
memorable event.

Thank you.

Nov 1, 2011, Submit t-shirt artwork to Wayne Walker, 
wcwal...@zianet.com

Nov 1, 2011, Submit speaker suggestions to Stephen Fleming,
casto...@gmail.com

Dec 3, 2011, Decisions on speaker and t-shirt design at Winter Tech meeting, 
location Las Cruces, plan on being there

Apr 1, 2012, Submit general grotto information for past 25 years to Linda 
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit memorializations for deceased SWR members (all years) to 
Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit summaries from past chairmen, project leaders, Tularosa 
convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal&   group) to Linda Starr, 
lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave
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Re: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

[Bilbo, Michael J]

I submitted a design to Wayne.

From: Stephen Fleming [mailto:casto...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 10:06 AM
To: s...@caver.net 
Subject: [SWR] Monthly Reminder: SWR 50th Anniversary, !!! IMPORTANT DATES !!

Folks, the clock is ticking faster. You have less than 30 days to submit 
T-shirt/logo designs and speaker suggestions.

To date, we have a couple of design submissions and four speaker suggestions. 
If you have something or someone you want considered, you MUST get it in to the 
appropriate person (below) by Nov 1. We will be making the logo & speaker 
decisions at the Winter Tech meeting in Las Cruces, December 3.

Also, it seems procrastination rules as Linda Starr has received very few 
submissions for the memorial publication. She likely will be sending out a 
separate notice on this as well. Do not wait until the last minute to get this 
stuff in.

It's not considerate of Linda's time and effort to delay delivery of materials 
that will require editing and formatting to produce a nice publication. We want 
your summaries, general info and important events of the last 25 years in text 
and photos.

Stop thinking about doing it and GIT R DONE!

Thanks.


Monthly reminder...

SWR 50th Anniversary

IMPORTANT DATES

Please do not delay in making submissions. Your good efforts will result in a 
memorable event.

Thank you.

Nov 1, 2011, Submit t-shirt artwork to Wayne Walker, 
wcwal...@zianet.com

Nov 1, 2011, Submit speaker suggestions to Stephen Fleming,
casto...@gmail.com

Dec 3, 2011, Decisions on speaker and t-shirt design at Winter Tech meeting, 
location Las Cruces, plan on being there

Apr 1, 2012, Submit general grotto information for past 25 years to Linda 
Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit memorializations for deceased SWR members (all years) to 
Linda Starr, lst...@hubwest.com

Apr 1, 2012, Submit summaries from past chairmen, project leaders, Tularosa 
convention, SWR/NSS awards (personal&   group) to Linda Starr, 
lst...@hubwest.com

May 26, 2012, SWR 50th anniversary celebration, Fort Stanton Cave
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