Re: [Texascavers] The Elf

2017-12-21 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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Does that mean he will fall off the shelf? Carol

  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
Cc: Charles Loving 
 Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2017 8:07 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The Elf
   
He is too portly.

On Thu, Dec 21, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Dwight via Texascavers 
 wrote:

I don't think David would look very good in a diminutive little green elf suit 
. Though it is an interesting vision.

Dirtdoc
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Re: [Texascavers] cave tours in the news

2017-08-02 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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Given their advertising budget, a free review is a good thing. Carol

  From: Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: Alex Sproul 
 Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 3:38 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cave tours in the news
   
Hey, that's right next door to me, David! I'd give the reporter an B- for the 
article,mostly because 6 of the 10 photos were of their lunch, as was much of 
thepiece. But the description of the nation's oldest commercial cave was better 
thanaverage, which isn't saying much; we see some pretty hideous ones... 
Especiallyfrom flat-lander types like those Richmond folks. I doubt that it was 
directorGarrison who misspelled 'stalagtite' and 'stalacmite,' and he certainly 
wouldn'tdescribe the cave as 'gigantic.' George Washington surveyed nearby 
FountainCave on the property, and left his signature on the wall.
We locals are happy that the town of Grottoes has taken over management ofthe 
cave from the state, which wasn't doing much for it. Virginia Region cavershave 
an annual event there to help maintain the cave and the property.
Alex

On 2 Aug 2017 at 7:49, David wrote:
What grade would you give this reporter for the new story below ?  An "A+" 
??    Or an "F -" ??

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Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri

2017-07-25 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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It is easier to blame the cavers than accept that we are not able to control a 
natural process.
The decon mandate makes it look like we are doing something and gives some 
folks the warm fuzzies.
Cleaning gear should be a normal process, kinda nice not dealing with the end 
result of wet muddy gear that was stuffed in a plastic bag and left there for a 
few weeks. Carol

  From: Geary Schindel via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
Cc: Geary Schindel ; 
"greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com" 

 Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 11:26 AM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri
   
 Folks,    
While I think that cleaning gear is a great idea for a lot of reasons, it was 
very interesting to listen to Dr. Tuttle’s Keynote presentation on WNS and bats 
at the NSS Convention Friday Banquet. To paraphrase him, Deconning of equipment 
will do no good in preventing the spread of WNS. There has been no documented 
case of the transmittal of WNS by cavers and bats are doing a great job 
already. WNS will spread across the continent, killing an untold number of 
bats, and there is nothing that cavers can do about it.    Any thought out 
there in caver land.    Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org    From: 
Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com]On Behalf Of Galen 
Falgout via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, July 25, 2017 10:14 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Cc: Galen Falgout ; 
greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] looking for tips - caving in Missouri    And make 
sure that gear gets decon after caving in the ozarks the have WNS very bad 
there!     On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:30 AM Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
 wrote: 
Contact Jonathan Beard, and tell him Crash sent you. He's in the NSS Members 
Manual.

Jim

Mobile email from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2017, at 9:21 AM, jaycc Jordan via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
>
>
> Hello cavers,
>
> I'm a member of the Greater Houston Grotto and I am visiting family in 
> Springfield Missouri until this Sunday.
>
> I know there are tons of caves in this area and the Ozark mountains
>
> I have my caving gear and I would love to do at least one wild cave while I 
> am here, I don't mind traveling a bit out of the way either. So, if anyone 
> has any tips on where I should go or if you want to go caving with me please 
> let me know.
>
> Thank you!
>
> - Jordan
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Re: [Texascavers] an idea for self-employment

2017-07-13 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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TSA might have an issue with that  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: CaveTex  
Cc: David 
 Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2017 12:27 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] an idea for self-employment
   
I know a lot of cavers that would like to find a better job.
Here is an idea for a group of cavers to start their very ownenterprise, and 
get rich.  ( and use the $$ to buy a cave, or go cavingin China ).
Let tourist pay $$$ to stand on the edge of an airport runway ( as jet-planes 
are coming in ), 
and get blasted off on to a soft foam wall wearing velcro-suits.

All you would need are some helmets, goggles, a few velcro-suits anda foldable 
portable wall.
Eventually, you could build an "I-Fly" like room, but mounted sideways,or build 
some kind of giant sling-shot.

David Locklear( not on crack, and not Bockbeer, just stressed-out and 
stir-crazy bored out of my mind )
P.S.
The mechanic is pulling my old motor out of my Sequoia this afternoon,but he 
still has no idea what killed it.     Says it most likely a blown headgasket, 
or maybe timing chain slipped off or broke, both, or more.I have a VIN on the 
new motor, but not sure if I can get a history of thatwithout spending $.    I 
should have a free auto-check leftover, if I can rememberwhere I put the info 
from the spring of 2016.

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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] RE: BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO

2017-06-12 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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Name brand sodas are supposed to be served whenever alcohol is.  Carol

  From: Phyllis Boneau 
 To: 
Cc: rckee...@cox.net; nssw...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers@texascavers.com; 
swrcav...@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Monday, June 12, 2017 3:55 PM
 Subject: Re: [SWR CAVERS] RE: BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO
   
>From Wm's reply I conclude the concern is more about hard liquor.  If that is 
>the question, the motion should come right out and say no supplying hard 
>liquor instead of pussyfooting around about WHEN exactly alcoholic beverages 
>can be served instead of WHAT alcoholic beverages can be served.  (I dislike 
>beer and find a great lack of "coke" at convention gatherings.)
Did I miss a point here?
Phyllis Boneau




On Sun, Jun 11, 2017 at 9:16 PM, Lee H. Skinner  wrote:

  All, 
  I see no problem with people bringing their own beer to the convention, and 
if it saves the NSS over $7500, I think that's all the better.  Thanks, 
William, for your reasonable explanation.
  
  Lee Skinner
  
  
 On 6/11/2017 8:48 PM, mcvittetoe via Southwestern Cavers of the National 
Speleological Society wrote:
  
   OOPS, I messed up on that last email. I ment to say. To all of you booze 
hounds out there. I don't like paying more for conventions that use more of 
something that I do not use!!! I feel that if you want booze at the 
convention you should pay for it! 
  Marion Vittetoe said that. 
   In a message dated 6/11/2017 4:26:49 PM US Mountain Standard Time, 
rckee...@cox.net writes: 
   
Wm,   I am ashamed of you by trying to change the topic to “we’re so poor”. 
 This is a Convention budgeting issue, not an NSS dictating issue  … and 
especially after the BOG voted at the March meeting that NSS Conventions must 
budget for a profit.   The people at the Conventions are the movers and shakers 
of the NSS.  These are the very people who have made caves and the NSS their 
lives.  These are the people, who, after donating hundreds of hours each year, 
and many, many dollars, want to enjoy talking with their friends.   Everyone.  
Let’s make this clearer.  The NSS is not poor and this is our national 
Convention.  Go to the just published Secretary-Treasurer report at 
https://caves.org/nss-business /reports/1706/S-T-1706.pdf  Go to Attachment A 
which has all of the National Speleological Foundation (NSF) funds.   We have 
an Account Balance with the NSF of $3,157,393.52 (as of 3/31/2017).  That’s up 
$63,000 dollars over 3/2016, and this is after $80,000 was taken out of the NSS 
Endowment Fund.   The first time I ever heard of law enforcement being called 
for a fight at a Convention was 2011.  To bring this up as a reason is truly 
offensive.   The main point is mandating to Convention staffs is yet another 
reason why our NSS membership is going down.  Caving and Conventions were fun 
when we started caving. A BOG member needs to amend the motion to remove the 
sentence “No other alcoholic beverages will be provided.“  A non-second to the 
motion would be better.   I am not on the Texas Cavers list.  Could someone 
please forward this response to them?     Thanks,   Ray Keeler rckee...@cox.net 
623-523-1760     From: nssw...@yahoogroups.com [mailto:nssw...@yahoogroups.co 
m] 
 Sent: Sunday, June 11, 2017 12:53 PM
 To: nssw...@yahoogroups.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
 Subject: RE: [NSSwest] BOG Agenda Item 6-Tell your BOG to Vote NO       
Ray, Ernie, & everyone (including Texas Cavers, since I see RD forwarded it 
there),   Ernie is correct – the beer budget alone would have been enough to 
put several conventions in the black (instead of the red). That said, I’m not 
opposed to beer (even though I don’t drink it myself).   The questions are: -   
   When is it “enough”? Should we just 30-35 kegs (more than OTR purchases, 
and that is designated a “party  event”, yet what was being budgeted for in an 
upcoming convention) and have it every night? I believe most would say “no, a 
couple of nights is more than sufficient”. -  When a fight breaks out, 
and it has several times (to the point of the police being called), are we  
responsible since we served it? Different laws in different 
states/municipalities/campuses make this a  nightmare to avoid. -  The 
main point I have below is not that the NSS wants to ban beer (we don’t), but 
that we will limit it  to the alcoholic beverages listed. There is a trend 
coming that wants to serve “hard liquor”, and the entire EC of the NSS is 
opposed to this. Just as we don’t object to the NSS buying beer & wine, we do 
object when it comes down to liquor with much higher alcohol content. I’ll buy  
my own, thank you. -  The cost of beer alone in a proposed Convention 
budget is $7,510. This does not include wine at the NSS  Awards Banquet, which 
is another $2,475, for a total of $9,985. This amount has easily broken 
Convention’s budgets all by itself. Part of 2018’s “cost savings”

Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp

2017-06-06 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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That does seem to follow your pattern. 
Be safe  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: David 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 2:44 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp
   
Carol, 
Thank you very much for that tip.   I was going to take the headlamp back for a 
refund.   I don't know how I overlooked that slider focus adjustment.
I will test the light pattern again tonight, but a brief test in daylight, the 
light pattern still appeared to be annoying except in the flood position.
It looks like it is best to put some sealant ( under the sliding mechanism ) 
and just push it all the way in permanently.
On a lighter note,
If I do not take it back for a refund, and if I make it to Rio Rancho, then it 
will get sold at the silent auction for about $ 10. 
My only option at the moment is to drive non-stop to the Howdy Party and turn 
around and drive back to Houston on Tuesday or Wednesday.   Does that sound 
familiar ??
David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp

2017-06-06 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
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David .
You may find that the light adjusts by pulling the headpiece in and out rather 
than twisting left or right  Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Cc: David 
 Sent: Tuesday, June 6, 2017 1:36 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] a new LED headlamp
   
I have stepped thru some kind of time-dimensional portal where everything and 
everyone around me in my close circles of work and family are totally 
incompetent and dragging me down like a cruise-ship anchor attached to a canoe 
on the ocean.
The remedy is to just say to yourself "f*** it," and rush to the store and 
purchase a new LED headlamp.
So I am now testing the Sure Bilt TE057-4AA.   Advertising 500 lumens with a 
dimmer setting.    I would recommend this for a backpacking trip, and some of 
the medium-size dry caves in Texas.
The battery pack is not even water-resistant, but is very easy to clean.   Some 
duct-tape might make it water-resistant.
The light pattern is not really adjustable.   It is ideal for small walking 
size passage only.
But it is readily available at AutoZone for $ 30 plus tax.
With 4 AA batteries, it may be the best headlamp under $ 33.
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[Texascavers] Fw: HELP Join Us for Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey

2016-09-29 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers





Cavers,
Summer is over and it is time for more webinars!!
We have a really intriguing webinar about HUGE ancient cave cities that will be 
presented by Trevor Parker. This will be an incredibly interesting and unusual 
webinar, please join us.

Please forward this to your groups and interested parties.

Cave safely,
Debbie Spoons
NSS CaveNet Webinar Chair





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Underground Cave Cities of Central Turkey. Presenter: Trevor Parker
Join us for a webinar on Oct 06, 2016 at 8:00 PM CDT. Which is, 9PM EDT / 7PM 
MDT / 6PM PDT, please check your time zone for the correct starting time
Register now!
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/5587082951673256196
Turkey, the area bridging Asia and Europe, has a long and amazing history. It 
has seen wars, peace, swelling empires, and crumbling governments.
One chapter from its long history was the creation of “cave cities”. For many 
years, people actually dug their homes underground. Entire cities were formed 
that branched off to create a sprawling underground civilization. This wasn't 
just one city, or even just a few in an area, this is hundreds if not thousands 
of cities that thrived underground. The numbers of these ancient cities were so 
numerous that more cities are still being discovered to this day.

In this webinar Trevor Parker will take you to Turkey on a trip through the 
country experiencing culture, history, geology, and exploring several of these 
cities.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing information 
about joining the webinar.
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Re: [Texascavers] service for Charlie Yates Aug 27th

2016-08-14 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
Weed-Corley-Fish LakeTravis. 411 Ranch Rd. 620 South, Lakeway, TX 78734. 
512-263-1511 ... CarolTiderman

  From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2016 7:32 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] service for Charlie Yates Aug 27th
   
Does anybody have a better address than that? 
 

On Sunday, August 14, 2016 9:18 AM, Logan McNatt via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 
Received from Jon Vinson, Sun Aug 14th

There is a small death notice in today’s Austin Statesman paper about 
Charlie.  It says “Charles M. Yates age 65 of Dripping Springs passed 
away Aug. 10, 2016.  Service Aug. 27, 10:00am at Weed-Corley-Fish Lake 
Travis Chapel, Lakeway, TX.”
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration

2016-07-14 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
Ever convention is different. I have been to ones that are better than others, 
but I have never been to a bad convention.
The town is happy we are coming, unlike big towns that don't even notice we are 
there.
What make a convention great is seeing old friends and making new ones.
FYI the TS play on Thursday after the photo salon.
Lets all have a good week Carol

  From: mark gee via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2016 2:36 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] NSS convention Registration
   
I feel the same pains and hope it goes well.markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Tuesday, July 12, 2016 10:36 PM, Mark Minton via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

   I have asked the Registration Chairperson to please post the list of
registrants, so far to no avail. That list has traditionally been
published so that people could check who they might know that was coming
as well as that their own registration had been recorded properly.
Unfortunately it seems the organizers of this convention don't seem to
know much about the way NSS Conventions are typically organized. One
wonders whether they have ever been to one before. For example, they
scheduled a band other than the Terminal Syphons to play at the
Wednesday night Campground Party. :-(

Mark Minton
mmin...@caver.net

On Tue, July 12, 2016 8:26 pm, C Tiderman via Texascavers wrote:
> Mark,
> You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site.
> Unfortunately, there is not a who's coming list.

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[Texascavers] : cool NSS convention

2016-07-12 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
Mark,
You can get a lot of what you are looking for at the web site. Unfortunately, 
there is not a who's coming list.
Registration - NSS 75th Anniversary Convention

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 Carol

  From: mark gee via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com"  
 Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2016 8:20 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] cool NSS convention
   
Have not heard where or how to get to the camp ground. When does registration 
start and where is the school or what ever it might be.  Am I missing 
something. Have not seen a list of those confirmed at the convention. Want to 
make sure they got my check 5 months ago. Can someone help. 
markageetxca...@yahoo.com 

On Sunday, July 10, 2016 5:59 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 

 A reminder to Texas cavers attending the NSS convention in Ely, Nevada, who 
haven't read all the poop about the convention: The average nightly low 
temperature this time of year is 48°. Be prepared.
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] I'm back

2016-06-30 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
Glad it was a short stay. Carol

  From: Mixon Bill via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 5:32 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] I'm back
   
Back at home, pneumonia infection cured, but still weak. I'll deal with 
accumulated e-mails as time permits. -- Mixon

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Trollope, Barchester Towers

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Re: [Texascavers] wind turbines and caves

2016-06-30 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
David,
Add a little savory to your beans. It acts like beano but is way cheaper. Any 
grocery store will have it. Carol

  From: David via Texascavers 
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Thursday, June 30, 2016 2:12 PM
 Subject: [Texascavers] wind turbines and caves
   
In reference to Bill's post, My hunch is that the coal plants in China would be 
running either way and that they create much needed jobs there.The delivery of 
the blades is a one time event, as they can be repaired in the field.Diesel 
trains and boats have efficient motors, as do trucks, while simultaneously 
delivering a wide range of products which creates jobs.They most likely just 
need to mount a scarecrow on top of the wind-turbine.I see no reason a cave 
tour company could not use a wind-turbine to charge batteries for headlamps or 
to power lights in the cave.I would like to see a giant turbine mounted 
horizontally at ground-level and let hundreds of unemployed homeless people 
push it.It is too bad all these people exercising in fitness centers can not 
convert that energy wasted into electricity.   If I win the MegaMillions 
jackpot, I am going to fix that.I have been eating pork-n-beans all week to try 
to save money.   It is too bad that I can not convert all this new methane gas 
to power something.David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Registration & Vendors]

2015-10-05 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
not "poles" Carol
  From: via Texascavers 
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 Sent: Monday, October 5, 2015 8:19 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] [TCR][Registration & Vendors]
   
What are "checks"?

Joe

> On Oct 5, 2015, at 8:00 PM, Diana Tomchick via Texascavers 
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> Those funny things called personal checks often work with the vendors, too.
> 
> Diana
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> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
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>> On Oct 5, 2015, at 6:53 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers 
>>  wrote:
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>> Be sure to bring trade goods, cash talks.
>> Paradise Canyon is sheltered from cellular service by the canyon walls so 
>> don't expect credit card service at registration & vendors etc. Bring 
>> T-Shirts & trade goods for the Caver T's Tradin' Post.
>> There will be a carousel projector available at the slide show area too.
>> Bring your own grog cups and vittles kit.
>> There will be books for sale, caving organization meetings, mud wrestling 
>> and vendors needing cash.
>> 
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>> --Ringmaster
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[Texascavers] Julia Germany

2014-09-13 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
Please contact me offline

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Re: [Texascavers] Replies to various post

2014-08-23 Thread C Tiderman via Texascavers
David,

I have the same watercolor hanging on my wall. I suspect we both have one of 
many prints that were probably sold at the gift shop in the '50's.

 
Carol



 From: David via Texascavers 
To: CaveTex  
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 11:31 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Replies to various post
 


from David Locklear, so hit Delete Button now.
The funny thing about Don's post, is I consider him one of my best friends, 
which gives you an idea how many friends I have.
The solution to Don's predicament is for me to simply change my email name.  
Surely you can see I have drastically cut back on the use of CaveTex, but that 
is mostly because I have been swamped doing things indirectly related to caving.

Today, I found an awesome water-color painting of Luray Caverns in an antique 
store near Houston.
   https://www.dropbox.com/s/pedrm248j11sqg4/Luray-Caverns.jpg?dl=0
Anybody know the history of this?   I have not found out if it is just a print, 
or an original water-color, but assuming just one of a print of thousands.


I think most of the cavers who were dissing me last year, are now over it, and 
we are still friends.  To the best of my knowledge only one caver is on my 
sh*t-list, and nobody I know has heard from him in years.  I would still go in 
a non-vertical cave with him though.  I am pretty sure everybody else accepted 
my olive-branch, and all the bad vibes are fuzzy memories from the past.

I am still digging thru booty, a retired caver gave me, and found a pair of 
grey Jumars.  These will hopefully end up as a door-prize at a caving event, in 
the near future.  
Respectfully,
David Locklear
Semi-retired from arm-chair caving

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