Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report

[Charles Loving]

Way back then. In the days of old when we were young and foolish we were
the cutting edge of cavers. The year was sixty something. Orion Knox was
our leader. We were exploring  and discovering. Susie Holstrom was my
girlfriend and wife to be.  We were mapping, traversing and pushing. I had
mapped Cobb Cavern near Georgetown. That cave was a show cave as Bill Eliot
calls them. Cobb is a subway tunnel like cave and was a tourist cave for a
short while. The owner was a friend and pyramid scheme salesman selling
soap (AMWAY). Anyway Susan and I along with Super Bounce and Faye and Bill
mapped Cobb.Wa thought it would link up with Laubach cave... Inner Space.
We then joined Orion and his team of mappers .   .

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022 at 7:35 PM Marvin and Lisa  wrote:

> Interesting. On my three trips through there I have not noticed any
> airflow and have not thought the water was cold. Further back in the cave,
> after you encounter an in-feeder, it seems colder. We haven’t seen any
> larger fish – or any fish at all – in the main passage. Lots of large
> tadpoles, though.
>
>
>
> Marvin
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *grub...@centurytel.net
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:35 PM
> *To:* texascavers 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
>
>
>
> Cascade Sink always had a problem with sunfish and bullhead catfish in the
> main passage.  Randy Waters pointed out that to find salamanders one should
> look in the smaller upper passage that takes off to the left a ways back.
> It is "perched" a few feet above the water of the main passage.  When I was
> working with Sam Sweet I went there a number of times searching for
> Eurycea.  Never found them in the main passage.  Did find them in that left
> hand side passage.
>
>
>
> Everyone always remarked on how much colder the water in the entrance way
> was.  The small, low air space passage to goes to the main water passage.
> We attributed that to chilling of the small water body by the passage of
> the constant high wind thru there. It was usually a very low air space and
> quite sporting back in the carbide caplamp and bluejean jacket era
>
>
>
> Grubbsi  .
>
>
> --
>
> *From: *"Andrew Gluesenkamp" 
> *To: *"texascavers" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 26, 2022 6:11:47 PM
> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] Cascade Sink trip report
>
>
>
> Those web worms are the predatory larvae of fungus gnats.  No salamanders?
>
>
>
> Andrew. Gluesenkamp, PhD
>
> 700 Billie Brooks Lane
>
> Driftwood, Texas 78619
>
> (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
>
>
>
> On Sunday, July 24, 2022 at 07:52:43 PM CDT, Marvin Miller <
> cave0mil...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> (For the first part of this story see the post dated 7/4/22).
>
>
> On Saturday four cavers returned to Cascade Sink to continue the resurvey
> of the cave. John Young rigged the pit and then rapelled. The time was
> approximately 9:30. He announced from the bottom that the young
> rattlesnake was still in attendance. Adam Daw went down, then Gerry
> Geletzke, with Marvin Miller bringing up the rear. At the bottom Marvin
> noticed that the other three had gone on through the low entrance passage
> with their gear on. He decided to take his off there at the bottom of the
> pit as had been his custom on previous trips. He hung his gear on a wall
> projection above the small, muddy ramp poking out of the water at one end,
> and then followed the rest of the team on into the cave.
>
> In about half an hour they were at Station D23, the end point on the
> previous trip. The station was set at the start of a dam of stream cobbles
> and gravel that rose out of the water and held back the pool on the
> upstream side. On the downstream side the passage sloped down into a lower
> pool and turned a corner to the southwest. The pool was small and they were
> soon traversing a narrow bedrock-floored channel. Some small rimstone dams
> from an ancient flowpath were holding only gravel now and then a narrow
> side passage entered. The corroded flowstone showed that it was the ancient
> source of the water. "Lead for skinny person" was noted on the survey
> sketch. More potholes and gravel and a few meters further on, a drop down
> into a small pool. At the far end of the pool the passage changed character
> into a belly crawl on a bedrock slab. This was soon alleviated by a ceiling
> channel. The passage then sloped into another pool followed by another
> bedrock crawl.
>
>
>
> In bedrock slab areas Marvin noticed an interesting phenomena. Single
> web-like strands hanging from the ceiling that he had assumed to be
> spider-made, each appeared to be anchored to the ceiling by a small white
> protuberance. Upon closer inspection this white object was seen to actually
> be a creature that resembled a millipede. The creatures were immobile and
> many, but not all, had the strands hanging from their position. Small
> droplets of condensation or some 

Re: [Texascavers] Lost contact address

[Charles Loving]

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On Tue, Jul 19, 2022 at 10:55 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> A caver of the female persuasion offered a couple of years ago to help
> with the formatting/typesetting of william russell's book. Had an email
> meltdown, lost all data on that and my brain is asleep.  If it was you, let
> me know
>
> thanks, and apologies
> katie
> 
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> Island, the ancestral name for what now is called North America.  I would
> also like to acknowledge the Alabama-Coushatta, Caddo,  Carrizo/Comecrudo,
> Coahuiltecan, Comanche, Kickapoo, Lipan Apache, Tonkawa and Ysleta Del
> Sur Pueblo, and all the American Indian and Indigenous Peoples and
> communities who have been or have become a part of these lands and
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Re: [Texascavers] Water Quality Lands help needed by TCMA

[Charles Loving]

I left Austin 25 years ago and that sort of ended my caving career. No, I
live on the Nueches . My place has a five acre lake. Gary Schindle has been
out here looking at our water situation and given us advice. The drought is
not abating and water will soon, if it isn't already a major concern. The
supply is finite and San Antonio guzzles millions of gallons. aagot to keep
the golf courses green.

On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 1:48 PM Jules Jenkins  wrote:

> Cavers, in 1998 the City of Austin held an election to preserve and
> protect water & caves on the Recharge Zone. For many, many years Bill
> Russell and myself (Jules Jenkins) represented TCMA as a major stakeholder
> in identifying and exploring the lands the city bought in ‘98 and in the
> years after 1998.
> Kevin Theseun is and has been the manager of those lands and he was a long
> time SA caver.
> It’s been 7 yrs since the group met. Kevin sent out and email to get the
> committee back together. William passed away and I no longer live in
> Austin. I told Kevin I would reach out to cavers in Austin and all TCMA
> members to try to get a few people involved as the new ‘caver’ guard. It’s
> really important that cavers are represented. It’s also important to
> learned what was done and accomplished. It’s not political per se, it’s
> environmental & involves the planning for use of the lands by the various
> stakeholder groups. Pls contact me if you wanna help have a say in how the
> Recharge Zone lands are used. It really is vital that cavers keep a finger
> in this pie. This zone is where the majority of Austin’s caves are located.
> Email me and I’ll get you in touch with Kevin and I’d be happy to answer
> questions.
> jules1...@gmail.com
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Texascavers] Important carbide lamp collection for sale

[Charles Loving]

tiny carbide light. I found one about the size of my hand. It is very worn
but all of it is there.

On Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 12:42 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> *Important carbide lamp collection for sale*
>
> The LM Collection of carbide lamps will be for sale starting April 19,
> 2022. This is the largest collection of carbide lamps you’ll probably ever
> see.
>
> Even if you don’t plan to buy anything, Texas cavers are invited to see
> online photos and a brief video of this diverse collection. There are 66
> lamps and many parts offered for sale (12 lamps were previously sold to a
> collector). Now the remaining lamps are offered to cavers for two weeks,
> then they will be sold on eBay.
>
>
>
> The owner, long-time Austin caver Logan McNatt (retired), collected these
> lamps over 50 years. Logan asks you not to contact him about his lamps. He
> asked me, William R. (Bill) Elliott, to be his exclusive representative. I
> thank Pam Lynn, Joe Sumbera and Gayle Unruh for helping me catalog Logan’s
> lamps (we did this for free; the proceeds will go to Logan and his family.)
>
>
>
> Images and a price list can be found at this link:
>
>
>
> *https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3odtzn8xou3bayj/AAAq5OyIAJSLvrZisyU6U82Za?dl=0*
> 
>
>
>
> You will see a lot of filenames. Just click on the first one,
> *carbide-clip-TSA.mp4*, and you will see a short video of the lamps. The
> second file, *carbide-prices-LM.pdf*, details each lamp and batch prices,
> matched to the photos. Each batch is pictured twice, like LM-Batch-01a.JPG
> (front view), LM-Batch-01b.JPG  (back view). You can advance through the 27
> batches like a slideshow, depending on your computer. You may download any
> of it.
>
> This silent auction includes 63 carbide lamps, 3 electric lamps, and
> parts, but you also can see photos of the ones that sold. There are cap
> (caver) lamps, large hand lanterns (miner’s lamps) and bicycle lamps. (The
> owner is keeping a reference book, a few nice lamps, empty boxes and
> containers.)
>
> Most lamps are in good to excellent condition. Some are rare. Three
> batches of parts are offered with many reflectors, lamp tops, bottoms,
> gaskets and felts. Lamps could be assembled from these parts, but you may
> have to buy wingnuts and other small parts on eBay to complete them.
>
> Brands include 20th Century, Autolite, Badger Brass, Butterfly, Conger,
> Dewar, Fred R. Belt, Guy's Dropper, Hine-Watt Columbia, Hugo Zweigle,
> Justrite, Minex, Oxweld, Powell & Hanmer Ltd. and Premier. Some are rare
> bicycle lamps with red and green glass sidelights.
>
>
>
> Own a piece of historical technology! Please see the video, photos and
> price list first. This is a silent, online auction—pay our price to be sure
> to get a batch of lamps, first-come, first-served. Note that our prices are
> 65-75% of the average for each brand on eBay. That’s a good deal. You might
> go together with friends to buy a batch, or you may email your private bid
> to me; your name remains private. I reserve the right to reject low offers.
> If you bid below our price, you’ll have to wait a few days for the outcome.
>
> PayPal and Venmo are the preferred methods of payment. The buyer also pays
> UPS ground shipping up front, so I have to calculate that. You can arrange
> to pick up the items to save on UPS ground shipping.
>
> Except for one electric hand lamp, we will not be selling single lamps; it
> requires too much time for 66 deals. If you want a single lamp, you can
> find them on eBay at these average prices: Autolite $59, Premier $53, Guy's
> Dropper $50, Justrite $39. Some go for much more.
>
>
>
> After May 3 the remaining lamps will be sold in batches on eBay to provide
> the best benefit to the owner.
>
>
>
> In addition, at Logan’s request I have restored and polished 3 lamps to
> donate to TSS (Texas Speleological Survey). They are not pictured here, but
> will be auctioned later on. They include an Autolite, Guys Dropper, and a
> Premier lamp. They are pretty!
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>
> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] Talked to Logan

[Charles Loving]

So far no one has called me on my smart phone or my dumb phone. My smart
phone company offered me a bonus and another phone. Not sure what to think
since I never call anyone and use it as an emergency tool if I have or see
a wreck. I have to use my dumb phone for that since I still can't figure
out the use of touch screens. I always get trapped in some circular phone
firing squad. But then we have never had service here in this canyon except
on telephone hill. I have Wifi which my neighbor says will make the phone
able to call out.

On Wed, Dec 29, 2021 at 12:04 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> I just talked to Logan McNatt on the phone. He called me on his iphone 6.
> I told him lots of people were trying to call him or come by. He is sort of
> aware, but he cannot hear his phone ring. I coached him on how to turn up
> the volume, and he did.
>
> The next person who sees him or talks with him on the phone, please try to
> coach him on how to unmute the bell. Also, change the ringtone to something
> really harsh, like "old phone".
>
> My guess is his phone got muted, but he doesn't know how to unmute it.
> Please help him do that in person if possible. There are 3 buttons on the
> left side. The tiny top button can get bumped off, muting the ringtone.
> Just flip it up so the orange does not show. Also, turn up the volume (2nd
> button), but I had him do that and it is max.
>
> He usually carries the phone in a pouch, but that darn button can get
> bumped. Happened to me once, took me forever to figure it out.
>
> Thanks everyone,
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>
> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>
> *speodes...@gmail.com *
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Kaver Komix

[Charles Loving]

"Sold American"

On Tue, Dec 28, 2021 at 8:43 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> I may have been the auctioneer.
>
> Bill Steele
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 10:13 AM, Carl Kunath 
> wrote:
>
> 
> In 2004, I donated a pristine copy of *Kaver Komix* to the TCMA auction.
> Bidding was spirited.  The hammer fell at $106.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>
>
> On Dec 28, 2021, at 8:49 AM, Bill Steele  wrote:
>
> I along with Charlie Loving care, Bill Elliott (spelled Elliott). I
> proudly own a pristine copy of Kaver Komix from said 50 years ago, and I
> will donate it to next year’s TCMA auction as long as no children are
> within earshot when the auctioneer reveals what action takes place within
> its pages.
>
> Caring,
>
> Bill Steele
> irving, Texas
> speleoste...@aol.com
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Re: [Texascavers] The Freak Brothers

[Charles Loving]

*Bill,*
*Gilbert and I are friends and we communicate. He moved to France decades
ago. Shelton  is possibly the most famous underground comic artist on the
planet along with R. Crum, who also lives in France. Gilbert was a
Rangeroo, and the cavers were kin to the Ranger crowd. After every
publishing or the Ranger there was a huge drunken fiesta. I believe Shiva's
Head Band played for us along with the Conqueroo.   I had an in with Jerry
Restlaff who was the Centex Lone Star Beer rep and he liked out parties and
donated kegs. We also depended on George Majweski who I witnessed at the
top of the last switch back to Bustamante. I guess that makes him a caver
too. I think he absconded with a few braless ladies. Part of the motivation
to donate. I was a caver, and a Rangeroo and a meteorologist at the time. I
drew many cartoons about caving and other topics for the Rag and LA Free
Press. I recall one night at 902 we had a great belly button painting
party. We entrapped a half dozen Tri Delts and painted their bellies. They
in turn went our a kidnapped more Tri Delts and any girl on the street.
Gilbert and I worked hard painting those buttons. *

*Didn't I get you to deliver Wonder Wart Hog shirts to him a decade ago/
The movie is pretty bad. Aficionados of the Freak Brothers will be happy
there is a movie but it doesn sing like I always thought it should. My
caver cartoon book seems to be well on its way. I may get it published
before I die. I was searching for My Mommie Was a Caver and can't find a
copy. I found my Daddy was a Caver. I also dredged up some Helmer cartoons.
There was also Caver Comics by Bill Elliot. Bill denighs his silliness. He
won the laughing contest at the Luckenbach World's Fair.*

*T for Texas Terry Raines printed My Daddy was a Caver in his printing bus.
He was 9 or 10 years old at the time. The youngest caver in the UT club and
one hell of a printer.*

On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 8:58 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> I just heard a short interview on NPR about an upcoming TV cartoon show
> “The Freak Brothers”. I recall that there was a close connection in the
> late 1960s between Austin cavers and the artist who created the Fabulous
> Furry Freak Brothers head comics, Gilbert Shelton.
>
> On my first caving expedition to Silvertip Peak, Montana in 1974 there was
> a woman with frizzy hair who came along and it was said that the look of
> the character Fat Freddy was based on her look.
>
> https://thefreakbrothers.com/
>
> Charlie Loving knows stuff.
>
> Bill Steele
> Irving, Texas
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Re: [Texascavers] Texas caver Mike Wharton

[Charles Loving]

Mike was a neighbor out here in Real and Edwards County. He lived on the
other side of the Nueches. Mike was a fun fellow. He kept building his own
caves on his property.

On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 5:43 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> Just wanted to say that his name is spelled Warton.
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
> 30105 Briarcrest Court
>
> Georgetown, Texas 78628
>
> *speodes...@gmail.com *
>
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>
>
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2021 at 6:00 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> I heard bad news a little while ago about fellow caver Mike Wharton. Mike
>> was very active in caving in Texas and Mexico in the 1980s and 1990s. He
>> retired to the Hill Country a few years ago.
>>
>> He’s had a major stroke and ls being cared for at Sagebrook Nursing and
>> Rehabilitation in Cedar Park, just north of Austin:
>> https://caradayhealth.com/sagebrook/
>>
>>  I have his wife Cindy’s phone number if you know Mike and would like to
>> speak with her. Email me for it.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Bill Steele
>> Irving, Texas
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Re: [Texascavers] Will the Next Generation of Cavers be Robots?

[Charles Loving]

Very interesting. A millionaire's robot device.

On Sun, Nov 14, 2021 at 6:05 AM Miles Abernathy  wrote:

> They are learning how to explore underground in a DARPA challenge.
>
> ...In this scenario, meticulously constructed for the finale of the DARPA
>> Subterranean Challenge — an elaborate three-year, $82 million Pentagon
>> robotics competition — something bad has happened to humans underground,
>> and the robots are coming to the rescue. Spot and its robo-teammates and
>> competitors — dozens of walking, driving and flying robots — were on a
>> scavenger hunt for “survivors” (mannequins giving off body heat and vocal
>> sounds) and objects such as cellphones, backpacks and helmets. The robots
>> scored points by sending the objects’ locations back to their human
>> teammates. Finding all the objects meant exploring a trap-filled labyrinth
>> with a half-mile of passages, featuring three made-from-scratch
>> environments: urban, with a subway, storeroom and offices; a tunnel (a mock
>> mine shaft); and a cave, a claustrophobic mash-up of spelunking’s greatest
>> hits
>
>
> Full story at https://archive.md/B5u8A
>
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Re: [Texascavers] New Item Added to TCMA On-Line Auction!

[Charles Loving]

Cavers in Yemen have descended into a huge pit in the desert. Interesting
story.

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 5:48 AM Denise P  wrote:

> Check out this original oil painting by Joel Haus of a mystery caver! Own
> this and be the envy of all!
>
>  https://tcma.betterworld.org/auctions/fall2021
>
> (item being auctioned with permission of the painting's model)
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Loving photos

[Charles Loving]

Yep. They are just pictures out of huge box of caving . Most ae
from Bustamante I would guess. Have no idea.

On Sat, Jun 5, 2021 at 2:08 PM Jim Kennedy  wrote:

> Charlie, it would help us all immensely if you included some captions or
> other form of explanation with your photos. Otherwise they have very
> limited interest. Just more cave photos.
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 5, 2021, at 4:02 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> > --
> > Charlie Loving
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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[Texascavers] Lounge Lizards

[Charles Loving]

I recall TR stumbling onto the stage and causing some sort of
commotion before they played.

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[Texascavers] Tom Byrd

[Charles Loving]

For some reason I am blocked from Tom Byrd.

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Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Call TODAY to pass HB CS 4146 to protect Texas rivers and streams

[Charles Loving]

As long as the Republicans rule and are in the pocket of Big Carbon there
is nothing you and I can do. Petitions are just pissing into the wind.

On Tue, May 11, 2021 at 9:07 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Please act now.
>
> *From:* Annalisa Peace 
> *Date:* May 11, 2021 at 7:05:30 AM CDT
> *To:* cwilliamste...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* *Call TODAY to pass HB CS 4146 to protect Texas rivers and
> streams*
> *Reply-To:* annal...@aquiferalliance.org
>
> 
> HB CS 4146 up for 3rd vote today!
>
> If you have trouble reading this email click here.
> 
>
> Dear GEAA members and friends,
>
> After strong opposition from Texas homebuilders that threatened to gut HB
> 4146 yesterday, the bill was narrowly pass for the second vote by the Texas
> House.  We really need your help today to get this across the finish line.
>
> *Speak Up for Texas's Pristine Rivers:* *House Bill CS4146 headed for a
> final vote in the House.*
>
> *HB 4146*
> 
>  (T. King) prohibits wastewater discharge into our few remaining pristine
> rivers and creeks including the Devils, Lower Pecos, upper Nueces, Sabinal,
> Frio and Llano rivers. It does not impact development nor reduce stream
> flows; it simply ensures that the few remaining pristine stream segments in
> Texas (40 of over 10,000) remain pristine for future generations. The bill
> passed to engrossment with a very narrow margin - 72 ayes and 69 nays. It
> is set for a *third and final *vote by the Texas House of Representatives
> TODAY around 10:00 AM.
>
> *We need your help* to pass HB 4146 through the House. *Please *contact
> your Representative (and any others) today and ask them to *vote in
> support of HB 4146 *ASAP*.*
>
>- *Click Here
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>- *Click Here
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> 
>  for
>a map of the rivers that would be protected b HB 4146.
>
> Here is the vote from yesterday:
>
>
> *Focus efforts especially on *your representative and
>
>- Dewayne Burns, (512) 463-0538
>- Doc Anderson, (512) 463-0135
>- Steve Allison, (512) 463-0686
>- Trent Ashby, (512) 463-0508
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>- Richard Raymond, (512) 463-0558
>- Four Price, (512) 463-0470
>and
>- Ed Thompson (512) 463-0707
>
> Your call today could help protect Texas rivers and streams from waste
> water pollution to preserve these treasured waterways for future
> generations.
>
> Please act immediately.
> Annalisa Peace
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Re: [Texascavers] Plural Nouns for Cavers -We have a winner!

[Charles Loving]

Very militaristic. Formation of cavers. The ones I went to town with nwere
more of gaggle or a herd of mud encrusted 

On Thu, May 6, 2021 at 10:25 AM Lee H. Skinner  wrote:

> For the record, it was NSS caver John Cochran of Albuquerque who
> submitted the word formation in the original ballot of 59 entries.
>
> Here are are few more examples of ways that the plural noun for cavers
> could be used:
>
>
> The city welcomed the formation of hundreds of NSS cavers to its annual
> convention.
>
>
> A formation of tired cavers was camped down by the creek where its
> waters disappeared into a narrow crack in its limestone bed.
>
>
> After exiting the cave, a hungry formation of twelve cavers went into
> town to meet at the Oso Grille for dinner.
>
>
> The formation of cavers carefully traversed the muddy ledge above the
> deep black void.
>
>
> The tireless formation of ridgewalking cavers diligently searched the
> hillside for the elusively reported hole.
>
>
> Lee
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Plural Noun for Cavers Ballot

[Charles Loving]

Those damn Republican Cavers stole the election or was it the Democrats?

On Sun, May 2, 2021 at 4:40 PM Dwight Deal  wrote:

> Ah Well ---.  I both missed that and did not intend to do that. I just hit
> reply to some email. Lazy me. Sorry.
>
>
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[Texascavers] A name

[Charles Loving]

I had one but then I forgot it.

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Re: [Texascavers] John Loving funeral

[Charles Loving]

He love caving.

On Sun, Mar 7, 2021 at 6:28 PM Amy Jasek  wrote:

> So sorry for your loss!  I met him a couple years ago when he came to see
> the band my boyfriend was playing with (Lennon is the guitarist). I know he
> will be dearly missed!
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 7, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> 
> Trinity Anglican Church, 18900 fm 1431, Jonestown, TX 78645. Sunday the
> 14th at 11:30
> Short service
>
> He was a caver and went on many trips to the center of the earth. The
> fondest trip was to Golondrinas where we explored a few other caves over
> the hill and played basketball with local kids while their dogs ate our
> supper. We lost 66 to zero.
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[Texascavers] John Loving funeral

[Charles Loving]

Trinity Anglican Church, 18900 fm 1431, Jonestown, TX 78645. Sunday the
14th at 11:30
Short service

He was a caver and went on many trips to the center of the earth. The
fondest trip was to Golondrinas where we explored a few other caves over
the hill and played basketball with local kids while their dogs ate our
supper. We lost 66 to zero.

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Re: [Texascavers] High Adventure

[Charles Loving]

Once upon a time I joined Ron Bridgemon at Carlsbad. Bob Burney and I
participated in a Parks thing where we mapped off the trail. We were party
to that doings twice. I have no idea what was virgin or not. At one point
Burney and my team of mappers scampered, we could scamper then, up a
flowstone wall to a hole. We tied off to something, crawled through the
hole and were at the top of a cliff. We rappelled down to what is the lake
of the clouds. Can't say that we discovered it or not. Our Smokey had never
seen it. I have some ancient photos of me in a cave surrounded by these
huge balloon shaped formations the size of barrage balloons.

Next  day we mapped Spider Cave.

On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 10:44 AM Mark Minton  wrote:

> Not dead yet! We still do a lot of bolt climbing in Germany Valley and
> elsewhere. With modern, lightweight tools it is easier than it used to be.
> I’ll be 70 next month. I don’t know who the oldest person to do bolt climbs
> in Carlsbad is, but I must be in contention. :-)
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On
> Behalf Of *bmorgan...@aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 13, 2020 10:28 AM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] High Adventure
>
>
>
> A geezer bolt climb, the Weazel is highly impressed!
>
>
>
> Sleaze
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of *Mark
> Minton
> *Sent:* Thursday, November 12, 2020 5:42 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com; swrcav...@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] High Adventure
>
>
>
> Last March Bob Alderson, Yvonne Droms, and I joined Dwight Livingston on
> his expedition to Carlsbad Cavern. We did a lot of bolt climbing and
> discovered significant upper-level passages. I wrote an article for Inside
> Earth, the NPS Cave and karst newsletter. You can read it here: <
> https://www.nps.gov/articles/000/high-adventure-in-carlsbad-cavern.htm>.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Convention Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

No worlie so good.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2020 at 2:28 PM Bill Steele  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/events/784801492017272/permalink/955617064935713/
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Re: [Texascavers] Humans reached the Americas 11, 000 years earlier than previously thought, archaeologists discover

[Charles Loving]

Right. I recall Hal Jensen and I doing research on the subject.

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:53 AM Ron Ralph  wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> That would be Dr. Richard McNiesh in the Tehuacan Valley.  Coxcatlan Cave
> with first encounter with ancient Teosinte corncobs.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_MacNeish
>
> Ron
>
> *From:* Charles Loving
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 23, 2020 8:39 AM
> *To:* Cavers Texas
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Humans reached the Americas 11, 000 years
> earlier than previously thought, archaeologists discover
>
> There were a series of books written on this topic. Five large volumes
> that I had and then lost in one of my moves. But I think it was on the
> Teotijuacan(sic) Valley that this happened. I wrote a  term paper for Dr,
> Shindel about corn development long ago.
>
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:25 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE 
> wrote:
>
>> https://www.yahoo.com/news/humans-reached-americas-11-000-140807872.html
>>
>>
>> I wonder if this is close to the cave where corn was first discovered? We 
>> have been to that small museum, southeast of Mexico City. Some will remember 
>> attending a visitor professor talk at UT Austin around 1975, on the origin 
>> of corn. Those corn cobs were only 1-3 inches long.
>>
>>
>> Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
>>
>>
>> Sent from AT Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [Texascavers] Humans reached the Americas 11, 000 years earlier than previously thought, archaeologists discover

[Charles Loving]

There were a series of books written on this topic. Five large volumes that
I had and then lost in one of my moves. But I think it was on the
Teotijuacan(sic) Valley that this happened. I wrote a  term paper for Dr,
Shindel about corn development long ago.

On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 4:25 PM PRESTON FORSYTHE 
wrote:

> https://www.yahoo.com/news/humans-reached-americas-11-000-140807872.html
>
>
> I wonder if this is close to the cave where corn was first discovered? We 
> have been to that small museum, southeast of Mexico City. Some will remember 
> attending a visitor professor talk at UT Austin around 1975, on the origin of 
> corn. Those corn cobs were only 1-3 inches long.
>
>
> Preston Forsythe, Browder, KY
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TPWD park re-openings word from the top

[Charles Loving]

Xi wears a mask. Hmmm.

On Sat, Apr 25, 2020 at 5:35 PM Dwight Deal  wrote:

>
>
> > its interesting that none of our rulers ever wear a mask.
>
>
> I have not seen this ruler in person when he sent the comment, so I cannot
> comment.  Other than he is an A---s H---e if he does not wear a mask.
> Perhaps that is only so they can speak clearly?
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question Re: Pogo

[Charles Loving]

Up lifting article and story. Thanks for the memories.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 4:34 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> Jerry asked me to repost!
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 3:16 PM, Jerry  wrote:
>
> Okay, everybody,
>
> Here's the cartoon in question in the attached pdf. It's not the best
> quality but it's the same as was in the 1994 UT Grotto Reunion publication.
> I couldn't find a better copy on the internet without considerable effort.
> I have also included some of the correspondence with Walt Kelly that the UT
> folks had when requesting permission to use the cartoon. Enjoy !
>
> Jerry Atkinson.
>
>
> On Apr 24, 2020, at 12:59 PM, Carl Kunath 
> wrote:
>
> What about the Pogo cartoon?
>
> That’s an obscure question and has caused several rather ill-informed
> conjectures.
> Without delving into detail, here’s the core of the story:
>
> That cartoon was a brief moment of fame for the UT cavers.  When the guide
> book was in preparation for the first UT Grotto reunion in 1994, organizers
> Mona Hanna and Bill Cronenwett contacted Walt Kelly for permission to
> reproduce some of those cartoons in the guide book.  Permission was granted
> with no significant strings attached.
>
> There is a copy of the 1994 guide book in the TSS archives.  A photo of
> the 1994 reunion is on page 136 of the book *50 Years Of Texas Caving.*
>
> There were two subsequent UT caver reunions in 2004 and 2015 but no guide
> books were prepared.  There is a significant photographic record of the
> events.  The 2004 Reunion group is pictured on page 498 of the *50 Years* 
> book.
> Of that group, five are known to have recently died.
>
> Although Bill Helmer was around at the time, he was not involved and the
> topic of his photographs is an unrelated sidebar.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
>
>
>
> *From:* kara posso 
> *Sent:* Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48 AM
> *To:* Cave Tex  ; searos...@gmail.com
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Historical Question
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery
> with the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go
> back this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or
> remember to hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not
> signed up on the listserve.
>
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of
> it) i am sure people would be interested to see!
>
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
>
>
>
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I
> post this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area
> in the period of 1953-54.
>
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently
> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading
> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he
> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the
> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play
> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and
> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event
> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the
> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So,
> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this
> mystery.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Ross Burns
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[Charles Loving]

It was 1954/55 many of us were mere babies at the time. The Pogo strips
were daily and on Sunday. I searched through a few dozen of them. Knowing a
date would be helpful.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 9:43 AM  wrote:

> The person I'd ask about Bill Helmer is Gil, or maybe Frank Binney
>
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> *To: *"texascavers" , "seaross50" <
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> *Sent: *Friday, April 24, 2020 7:48:55 AM
> *Subject: *[Texascavers] Historical Question
>
> Hello Everyone,
>
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery
> with the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go
> back this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or
> remember to hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not
> signed up on the listserve.
>
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of
> it) i am sure people would be interested to see!
>
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
>
>
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I
> post this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area
> in the period of 1953-54.
>
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently
> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading
> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he
> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the
> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play
> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and
> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event
> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the
> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So,
> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this
> mystery.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Ross Burns
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Historical Question

[Charles Loving]

Pogo was a great strip. I will try to find those strips.

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 7:49 AM kara posso  wrote:

> Hello Everyone,
>
> Below is a message i received from a fellow through the grotto email the
> other day. I thought that he would have better luck solving his mystery
> with the help of all of you since my institutional knowledge does not go
> back this far. Ross is included on this email, please reply to hum or
> remember to hit REPLY ALL to keep him on the email chain since he is not
> signed up on the listserve.
>
> Also Ross, if there is anyway you can share the comic strip (or part of
> it) i am sure people would be interested to see!
>
> Thanks folks!
> Kara
>
>
> My name is Ross Burns, and several people on Facebook suggested that I
> post this question to your group.It concerns spelunking in the Austin area
> in the period of 1953-54.
>
> I am a fan of the old Pogo comic strips by Walt Kelly. He frequently
> mentions real people. events, and groups in the strip. I have been reading
> a recent re-issue of the strips for 1955 and 1956. In a storyline  he
> published beginning in January of 1955, he repeatedly mentions the
> University of Texas Spelunking Team. Partly I know that he loved to play
> with words including spelunking. However the repeated mention of UT and
> Texas over 2 or 3 months, makes me wonder if there was a particular event
> that he was referring to.  Some of the characters are trying to reach the
> team to help rescue a frog that was swallowed by Albert the alligator. So,
> it may have been some sort of rescue or similar event.
>
> Since Kelly wrote the strips well ahead of publication date, he probably
> started this storyline in November or December of 1954.
>
> I would appreciate any information that you might be able to shed on this
> mystery.
>
> Thank you for your time and attention.
>
> Ross Burns
>
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[Texascavers] Fwd: TH May 2020

[Charles Loving]

-- Forwarded message -
From: Mark Minton 
Date: Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 4:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TH May 2020
To: 


Nice! Thanks, Carl!



*From:* Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] *On Behalf
Of *Carl Kunath
*Sent:* Wednesday, April 22, 2020 4:14 PM
*To:* TexasCavers
*Subject:* [Texascavers] TH May 2020



The current (May 2020) issue of *Texas Highways* contains a feature article
about Texas caves.

This has created considerable interest but most do not have the issue in
question.

I scanned it for you and have attached it to this mail.



As a matter of interest, 40 years ago I wrote a feature article about caves
for the July 1980 *Texas Highways*.  It is attached to the next mail



Enjoy.



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Re: [Texascavers] Texas Highways Cave Article July 1980

[Charles Loving]

I tried to forward it but failed. Nice article however.

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 5:22 PM Carl Kunath 
wrote:

> Enjoy,
>
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[Texascavers] Tex Highways

[Charles Loving]

Article on Caving. Photos etc.

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Re: [Texascavers] Need some good reading?

[Charles Loving]

I am reading a book about a Pig and four cats in Mexico working undercover
for Vincente Fox.

On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 4:29 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> The journal of the Society for *Technology and Culture *has just make its
> back run free and open access on project MUSE.
>
> https://muse.jhu.edu/journal/194
> it’s a combination of Popular Mechanics and Smithsonian, with footnotes
> you can ignore.  Some fun, some boring stuff.
>
> enjoy
> katie
>
>
> 
> Katherine Arens, ProfessorPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu   Dept. Phone:  (512) 471-4123
> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
> Austin, TX  78712-1802
>   -. .-
>  _..-'()`-.._
>  ./'. '||\\.(\_/) .//||` .`\.
>   ./'.|'.'\\|..)O O(..|//`.`|.`\.
> ./'..|'.|| |\`` '`" '` ''/| ||.`|..`\.
>   ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
>  /'|||'.|| {   } ||.`|||`\
> '.|||'.||| {   } |||.`|||.`
> '.||| | |/'   ``\||`` ''||/''   `\| | |||.`
>  |/' \./' `\./\!|\   /|!/\./' `\./ `\|
> V  VV}' `\ /' `{V   VV
>  ``  `V ' ' '
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Pic

[Charles Loving]

I almost never go East, ever. I haven't been in Austin in six months. San
Antonio once for an interview on BBC but other than that I stay out of
urban blighted areas. I like my lake and the whole concept of no people to
make noise or bother me.

On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 8:32 AM Denise P  wrote:

> Ok. I should come visit you soon. Always love a visit to Stricklandia
>
>
> Get Outlook for Android 
> --
> *From:* Texascavers  on behalf of
> Jocelyn Hooper 
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:04:27 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Pic
>
> Sigh.  I have been through everything Pete had on the computer.  I know he
> had some slides of this, but nothing transferred into digital.
> I am not going to be able to come to your BD Happy Hour on the 22nd.  I
> had already promised Colin, Guin and Evan that I would babysit Wren so
> they, and Evan's new lady friend, Hanna (or Hannah?) can go to the movies.
> I have a bottle of wine for you...will try to find a time to drop it by 
> Jocie
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:
>
> Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be
> especially good if it had a person on rope
>
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> *Sent:* Thursday, March 5, 2020 11:04:27 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Pic
>
> Sigh.  I have been through everything Pete had on the computer.  I know he
> had some slides of this, but nothing transferred into digital.
> I am not going to be able to come to your BD Happy Hour on the 22nd.  I
> had already promised Colin, Guin and Evan that I would babysit Wren so
> they, and Evan's new lady friend, Hanna (or Hannah?) can go to the movies.
> I have a bottle of wine for you...will try to find a time to drop it by 
> Jocie
>
> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:
>
> Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be
> especially good if it had a person on rope
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Pic

[Charles Loving]

Have an ancient video of climbing out. from a trip I took there in 1995

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 3:00 PM Denise P  wrote:

> Anyone have a classic pic of Golondrinas they could email me? Would be
> especially good if it had a person on rope
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Re: [Texascavers] Two job openings at NCKRI. Please share!

[Charles Loving]

On Wed, Dec 18, 2019 at 7:32 PM George Veni  wrote:

> Dear Friends,
>
> If you are not looking for a job but know someone who may be interested,
> please share this message.
>
> The National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI) is happy to
> announce that we are offering two jobs: Office Manager and Administrative
> Specialist. Both positions will be important to further building the
> administrative backbone of NCKRI to support our research, education, and
> other technical programs. Both jobs will be based at NCKRI Headquarters in
> Carlsbad, New Mexico. Information about NCKRI is available at
> www.nckir.org.
>
> NCKRI is a part of the New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology (NMT)
> and so the position descriptions are posted on the NMT website at:
>
> https://www.nmt.edu/hr/docs/hr/jobs/OfficeMgrNCKRI19-204.pdf
> https://www.nmt.edu/hr/docs/hr/jobs/AdminSpecNCKRI19-206.pdf
>
> For application forms and related details, visit
> https://www.nmt.edu/hr/employment.php. All applications must be sent to
> NMT. If you have questions about the application process and NMT's employee
> benefits program, contact Human Resources at the above address. If you have
> questions about the job itself and what will be expected, please contact
> me. However, please remember that NMT and NCKRI will close for the holidays
> starting on Tuesday, the 24th, and will reopen on January 2nd, and I will
> away a little longer, so answers to questions and confirmation of receipt
> of applications may be delayed.
>
> Everyone here at NCKRI is anxious and excited to welcome two new employees
> to our ranks, and wishes you the best for the holidays and all days.
>
> George
>
> 
> George  Veni, PhD
> Executive Director, National Cave and Karst Research Institute (NCKRI)
> and
> President, International Union of Speleology (UIS)
>
> NCKRI address (primary)
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220 USA
> Office: +575-887-5517
> Mobile: +210-863-5919
> Fax: +575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
>
> UIS address
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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Charles Loving]

You wouldn't begin to imagine the number of truck loads and the hours spent
on the project. We are lucky to have a mega rich rancher who has decided to
help us with his equipment. The guy modifies aircraft and has offices world
wide from Singapore to Miami but grew up in Bandera and is pretty
unassuming except for his wild ass ideas. Good guy and his foreman wants to
meet with you to talk about the 5,000 acre ranch he manages. He is a
retired large animal vet. A really sweet guy, a real gentleman which is
rare these days.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:54 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Excellent, I really hope it works so you guys will invite me back – you
> all have a neat place there. Nothing like spending all that money and time
> and not be successful.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of 
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Friday, December 13, 2019 8:49 AM
> *To:* Cavers Texas 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party,
> Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward
>
>
>
> Gary;
>
> I held my Not Dead Yet Party in November and clothes optional appeared on
> the invite and a few covers came nekid good thing they were young. I can't
> imagin some of the geezers nekid.
>
>
>
> I want to send you some white elephant pictures I did of bats to give away.
>
>
>
> We get the mat today. A month long oddessey may be concluding.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:26 AM Geary Schindel <
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>
> Folks,
>
> Here is a reminder related to the Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday. All
> cavers and guest are welcome.
>
> We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their
> annual Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and
> Sue Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone
> is 210.479.two one five one.
>
> The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a
> dish. This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.
>
> There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you
> would like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a
> caving theme are always appreciated. Generally, gifts are less than $20.
>
> There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring
> your own.
>
> Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No
> running through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be
> given a sugary drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.
>
> The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found
> clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.
>
> Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean -
> remember, children may be present.
>
> Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to
> stay - you may be on the floor with a camping pad but you will be safe and
> loved on by our cats. We will provide breakfast for those present the next
> morning (left over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will be happy to take you
> home but you are welcome to stay the night. Please don't block the
> neighbor's drive ways and stay off the roof.
>
> Geary and Sue
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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Charles Loving]

Gary;
I held my Not Dead Yet Party in November and clothes optional appeared on
the invite and a few covers came nekid good thing they were young. I can't
imagin some of the geezers nekid.

I want to send you some white elephant pictures I did of bats to give away.

We get the mat today. A month long oddessey may be concluding.

On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 8:26 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> Here is a reminder related to the Bexar Grotto Christmas/Holiday. All
> cavers and guest are welcome.
>
> We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their
> annual Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and
> Sue Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone
> is 210.479.two one five one.
>
> The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a
> dish. This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.
>
> There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you
> would like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a
> caving theme are always appreciated. Generally, gifts are less than $20.
>
> There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring
> your own.
>
> Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No
> running through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be
> given a sugary drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.
>
> The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found
> clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.
>
> Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean -
> remember, children may be present.
>
> Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to
> stay - you may be on the floor with a camping pad but you will be safe and
> loved on by our cats. We will provide breakfast for those present the next
> morning (left over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will be happy to take you
> home but you are welcome to stay the night. Please don't block the
> neighbor's drive ways and stay off the roof.
>
> Geary and Sue
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Re: [Texascavers] Upcoming Mexico trip

[Charles Loving]

Adventure is everywhere, at sea, on land and in the air.

On Thu, Dec 12, 2019 at 10:02 AM Crash Kennedy  wrote:

> Texas cavers and others,
>
> In about 10 days we will be heading back to the Laguna de Sánchez area
> in northern Mexico for our 17th survey project trip.  Caves are mostly
> vertical, and like I said, it is a survey trip.  But beginners are
> welcome as long as they have the proper training and equipment.  It's
> a great introduction to Mexican caving and a good way to hone your
> skills with more experienced cavers.  If you are interested, give me a
> shout.  Details are being posted on our Facebook Event page (search
> for "Proyecto Laguna de Sánchez survey expedition #17").  We also have
> a website at www.garot.com/LdeS, but it is a couple of years out of
> date.  Great scenery, fun caves, and good fellowship --- isn't that
> what it's all about?
>
> Jim "Crash" Kennedy
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Re: [Texascavers] Preston has been hacked?!

[Charles Loving]

No one asks for a gift card. It has to be a hack.

On Mon, Nov 25, 2019 at 8:59 AM Dwight Deal  wrote:

> Or at least it looks like it.  The interesting thing is that the message I
> got appears to be from his usual email address.
>
> Dirtdoc
>
> -- Original Message --
>
> To:
> Date: November 25, 2019 at 7:23 AM
> Subject: Hello
>
> How are you doing?
>
> Please I need a little favor from you. I need to get Amazon gift card for
> my niece, It's her birthday but I can't do this now because I'm currently
> traveling. I tried purchasing online but unfortunately no luck with that.
> Can you get it for me from any store around you? I'll pay back as soon as I
> am back.
>
> Thanks
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Re: [Texascavers] Bexar Grotto Christmas Party, Saturday, December 14 at 5 pm onward

[Charles Loving]

Hey Gary send it to my wife   reafree...@swtexas.net
Might be able to fit it into my busy calendar. It falls on Old Man Wisdom's
Birthday.

On Sun, Nov 24, 2019 at 12:10 PM Geary Schindel <
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:

> Folks,
>
> We are pleased to announce that the Bexar Grotto will be holding their
> annual Holiday Party on Saturday, December 14 from 5 pm onward at Geary and
> Sue Schindel's house at 11310 Whisper Dawn, San Antonio, Texas. Home phone
> is 210.477.five one two eight.
>
> The grotto will provide a ham and brisket and guests are asked to bring a
> dish. This can range from appetizers to desserts and everything in between.
>
> There will be a white elephant exchange starting around 8 pm.  If you
> would like to participate, please bring a gift. Homemade gifts with a
> caving theme are always appreciated.
>
> There will be some adult beverages available but you're welcome to bring
> your own.
>
> Well behaved children are welcome but the house is not child proof. No
> running through the house. Children who violate the house rules will be
> given a sugary drink, drum, and puppy as a parting gift.
>
> The hot tub is up and running but please bring your own towel. Any found
> clothes will be brought to the next grotto meeting and auctioned off.
>
> Dress is Holiday casual which means whatever you want it to mean -
> remember, children may be present.
>
> Designated driver rules will be in effect. We have a place for folks to
> stay - you may be on the floor with a camping pad. They will be fed
> breakfast the next morning (left over chips and queso). Uber or Lyft will
> be happy to take you home but you are welcome to stay the night. Please
> don't block the neighbor's drive ways and stay off the roof.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR been selected yet.

[Charles Loving]

Menard is one of the great Metropolis areas. Lots of caves or sinks and the
Jim Bowie silver mine still needs to be found. Also there are as I recall
from past experience zillions of ticks. The reconstructed San Saba fort is
pretty nifty.

On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 1:41 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:

> Drove by on the way home and checked it out... lots closer but it is no
> Paradise Canyon, lest we be spoiled...
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2019 at 11:56 AM Geary Schindel <
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Diana,
>>
>>
>>
>> I’m trying to schedule an event in October and wanted to make sure there
>> wasn’t any conflicts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Geary
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Diana Tomchick 
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 20, 2019 11:51 AM
>> *To:* Cave Tex 
>> *Cc:* Geary Schindel 
>> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Has a date and location for the next TCR
>> been selected yet.
>>
>>
>>
>> 15-18 October at BSA Camp Sol Mayer in Menard County, only about 10 miles
>> from Powells Cave!
>>
>>
>>
>> Diana
>>
>>
>>
>> **
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>> Professor
>> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
>> UT Southwestern Medical Center
>> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
>> Rm. ND10.214A
>> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
>> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
>> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
>> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>>
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:45 AM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> EXTERNAL MAIL
>>
>> Yup, we announced it at the awards ceremony at this year’s TCR, and also
>> on the TCR Facebook page.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Mobile email from my iPhone
>>
>>
>> On Nov 20, 2019, at 11:21 AM, Geary Schindel <
>> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>>
>> Has a date for the 2020 Texas Cavers Reunion been selected yet.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Geary
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] My Lake

[Charles Loving]

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 9:56 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> Sounds like you all could use a hydrologist.
>
>
>
> I think I may be out that way tomorrow if you would like me to stop by and
> take a look.
>
>
>
> Privately message me at the email below and send me your address and any
> directions I may need. I may be able to do a little look at some of the
> geology of the area for you.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
> 210.326.1576 cell
>
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of 
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 5, 2019 9:36 AM
> *To:* Cavers Texas 
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] My Lake
>
>
>
> *The lake is on highway 337 between Leakey and Camp Wood on Pine Mt Road
> in front of my house. We have done all that. We have used dye and like I
> said dumped hundreds of tons of rock, caliche and cement into the lake and
> are still doing that today. Our newghbor is using his front end loaders and
> three dump trucks, moving rocks and dirt. This is the headwater of the
> Nueches River. The springs that feed the lake are still running but no
> longer roaring like they did. There is water but it is no longer five to
> six acres. My own little creek that is a dry weather creek runs during rain
> events. The water comes off the hill and down the gully and pools before it
> crosses the road about 200 yards from the lake and disappears underground.
> There are a half dozen caves above my house in the cliff side. There has to
> have been a shift below the lake due to drought perhaps or something we
> weren't aware of. One of my neighbors built a beautiful cement dam across a
>  creek that trickled. It never filled and no amount of bentonite and such
> helped. He now has a beautiful useless dam.*
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jon Cradit 
> wrote:
>
> Charlie,
>
> I don’t know where your lake front property is but if you have access to
> some Del Rio Clay you could have that hauled in and rolled out to seal the
> bottom.  You may also try doing a small dye trace from your water feature
> to your well, if you have one, and determine if there is a hydraulic
> connection.
>
>
>
> Jon C.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of 
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Monday, November 4, 2019 7:47 PM
> *To:* Gill Ediger ; Crash Kennedy <
> cavercr...@gmail.com>; Cavers Texas 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] My Lake
>
>
>
>
> *The lake  at my place is leaking like a sive and loosing water. It has
> gone from 6 acres to about 2.  We have dumped 35 dump trucks of rock and
> caliche and four loads of cement into the thing and it accomplished
> nothing. I think there is a cave, crack or sink hole. We have been working
> on this for weeks and nothing seems to work.*
>
>
>
> * It is a series of caves I am sure that opened up recently. We have had
> no rain etc. The ground is tinder dry. No rain since January.*
>
>
>
> *When it does rain two or three inches there is a dry weather creek next
> to my house that runs toward the lake but disappears before it reaches it
> all the water goes underground. *
>
>
>
> *I am wonder if the cavers  could use a magnetometer to find the holes?
> That might at least put us on a track toward repairing the lake. We have to
> do all this on our dime and it is getting prohibitive.*
>
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Re: [Texascavers] My Lake

[Charles Loving]

*The lake is on highway 337 between Leakey and Camp Wood on Pine Mt Road in
front of my house. We have done all that. We have used dye and like I said
dumped hundreds of tons of rock, caliche and cement into the lake and are
still doing that today. Our newghbor is using his front end loaders and
three dump trucks, moving rocks and dirt. This is the headwater of the
Nueches River. The springs that feed the lake are still running but no
longer roaring like they did. There is water but it is no longer five to
six acres. My own little creek that is a dry weather creek runs during rain
events. The water comes off the hill and down the gully and pools before it
crosses the road about 200 yards from the lake and disappears underground.
There are a half dozen caves above my house in the cliff side. There has to
have been a shift below the lake due to drought perhaps or something we
weren't aware of. One of my neighbors built a beautiful cement dam across a
 creek that trickled. It never filled and no amount of bentonite and such
helped. He now has a beautiful useless dam.*

On Tue, Nov 5, 2019 at 7:57 AM Jon Cradit 
wrote:

> Charlie,
>
> I don’t know where your lake front property is but if you have access to
> some Del Rio Clay you could have that hauled in and rolled out to seal the
> bottom.  You may also try doing a small dye trace from your water feature
> to your well, if you have one, and determine if there is a hydraulic
> connection.
>
>
>
> Jon C.
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of 
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Monday, November 4, 2019 7:47 PM
> *To:* Gill Ediger ; Crash Kennedy <
> cavercr...@gmail.com>; Cavers Texas 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] My Lake
>
>
>
>
> *The lake  at my place is leaking like a sive and loosing water. It has
> gone from 6 acres to about 2.  We have dumped 35 dump trucks of rock and
> caliche and four loads of cement into the thing and it accomplished
> nothing. I think there is a cave, crack or sink hole. We have been working
> on this for weeks and nothing seems to work.*
>
>
>
> * It is a series of caves I am sure that opened up recently. We have had
> no rain etc. The ground is tinder dry. No rain since January.*
>
>
>
> *When it does rain two or three inches there is a dry weather creek next
> to my house that runs toward the lake but disappears before it reaches it
> all the water goes underground. *
>
>
>
> *I am wonder if the cavers  could use a magnetometer to find the holes?
> That might at least put us on a track toward repairing the lake. We have to
> do all this on our dime and it is getting prohibitive.*
>
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>
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[Texascavers] My Lake

[Charles Loving]

*The lake  at my place is leaking like a sive and loosing water. It has
gone from 6 acres to about 2.  We have dumped 35 dump trucks of rock and
caliche and four loads of cement into the thing and it accomplished
nothing. I think there is a cave, crack or sink hole. We have been working
on this for weeks and nothing seems to work.*

* It is a series of caves I am sure that opened up recently. We have had no
rain etc. The ground is tinder dry. No rain since January.*

*When it does rain two or three inches there is a dry weather creek next to
my house that runs toward the lake but disappears before it reaches it all
the water goes underground. *

*I am wonder if the cavers  could use a magnetometer to find the holes?
That might at least put us on a track toward repairing the lake. We have to
do all this on our dime and it is getting prohibitive.*
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Re: [Texascavers] John Fish photo

[Charles Loving]

Another one of a kind. I guess we are all one of a kind?

On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 11:01 AM Carl Kunath 
wrote:

> [image: John Fish 2015 TCR [Kunath photo]]
>
> More sad news this morning.   John Fish has died.
>
> After many years with no contact, with some urging and assistance, John
> came to the 2015 TCR
> and old friendships were renewed.
>
> Farewell to Juan Pescado.
> We are diminished.
>
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>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican Bat

[Charles Loving]

It could be a bat? Oldman Wisdom

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 6:44 PM  wrote:

> Lack of a tail hints at freetail but the head and ears say not. Bad photo,
> no scale, no face photo = no certain i.d.
>
> William R. (Bill) Elliott
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 6, 2019, at 6:16 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> Looks like the bats that hang out behind the sign at a lodge here in Deer
> Corn. There are six or seven of them there just hanging out. Mexican Free
> Tails?
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 5:38 PM Mike Flannigan  wrote:
>
>>
>> Wondering if any of you can take a stab at
>> identifying what kind of bat this is:
>>
>> "Inside El Rosario National Park there's an old,
>> abandoned sawmill. In a stone-lined pit beneath
>> the floor, a black bat dangled upside-down, back-leg
>> claws anchoring him on the wall. The bat's dark form
>> suggested a small, eared owl with glowing eyes
>> staring right at us, maybe unnerving some predators
>> wary of owls.
>>
>> If anyone can identify this bat I'd be glad to hear
>> from them."
>>
>> Picture of the back of the bat:
>> http://www.mflan.com/temp/bat.jpg
>>
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Mexican Bat

[Charles Loving]

Looks like the bats that hang out behind the sign at a lodge here in Deer
Corn. There are six or seven of them there just hanging out. Mexican Free
Tails?

On Sun, Oct 6, 2019 at 5:38 PM Mike Flannigan  wrote:

>
> Wondering if any of you can take a stab at
> identifying what kind of bat this is:
>
> "Inside El Rosario National Park there's an old,
> abandoned sawmill. In a stone-lined pit beneath
> the floor, a black bat dangled upside-down, back-leg
> claws anchoring him on the wall. The bat's dark form
> suggested a small, eared owl with glowing eyes
> staring right at us, maybe unnerving some predators
> wary of owls.
>
> If anyone can identify this bat I'd be glad to hear
> from them."
>
> Picture of the back of the bat:
> http://www.mflan.com/temp/bat.jpg
>
>
> Mike
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Re: [Texascavers] Donation

[Charles Loving]

An idea. I may just leave the stuff at Ediger's. Finding the camp site is
difficult and I can't drive at night. Have to go to Vancey for eye surgery
this week. Seeing a specialist. Been to a near ophthalmologist and they
want me to see this guy. Old eyes. Maybe they can fix them. Who knows. The
thing is supposed to take six hours or so.

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 7:33 PM Diana Tomchick <
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu> wrote:

> So come the day before (on Friday) and drop off your donations. Lots of
> people will be there that you can trust to give your artwork to as a
> donation.
>
> Diana
>
> **
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> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
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> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
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> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>
> On Oct 4, 2019, at 7:31 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
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> Problem is there is a wake I have to go to for Terry Plemons another old
> caver same day. Excuses, excuses
>
> On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jim Kennedy  wrote:
>
>> Bring it to TCR!
>>
>> Crash
>>
>> Mobile email from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Charles Loving 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I keep wanting to donate art to the outfit but never can seem to be at
>> the proper place to do it. I carry the art around in my truck but am never
>> where there are any cavers who could take the stuff.
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Re: [Texascavers] Donation

[Charles Loving]

Problem is there is a wake I have to go to for Terry Plemons another old
caver same day. Excuses, excuses

On Fri, Oct 4, 2019 at 5:40 PM Jim Kennedy  wrote:

> Bring it to TCR!
>
> Crash
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 4, 2019, at 5:26 PM, Charles Loving  wrote:
> >
> > I keep wanting to donate art to the outfit but never can seem to be at
> the proper place to do it. I carry the art around in my truck but am never
> where there are any cavers who could take the stuff.
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[Texascavers] Donation

[Charles Loving]

I keep wanting to donate art to the outfit but never can seem to be at the
proper place to do it. I carry the art around in my truck but am never
where there are any cavers who could take the stuff.

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Re: [Texascavers] Cavers’ Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Besides I can't stay up past ten PM.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 4:56 PM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Can't make it have a wake to attend.
>
> On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:51 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> The DFW Grotto is happy to once again conduct a Caver Storytelling
>> Contest at TCR. Last year it was a big hit. Five minute limit. A panel
>> of impartial judges. Only one entry per caver. We’ll begin at midnight
>> Friday night after the Gary Franklin Band finishes their set. Entries will
>> be videoed and posted on Facebook with approval.
>>
>> Think of your best caving story and practice it.
>>
>> Maybe you’ll win the contest and get your TCR registration fee refunded
>> to you as your prize.
>>
>>
>> Bill Steele
>>
>> speleoste...@aol.com
>>
>> Irving, Texas
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Re: [Texascavers] Cavers’ Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Can't make it have a wake to attend.

On Thu, Oct 3, 2019 at 1:51 PM Bill Steele  wrote:

> The DFW Grotto is happy to once again conduct a Caver Storytelling Contest
> at TCR. Last year it was a big hit. Five minute limit. A panel of
> impartial judges. Only one entry per caver. We’ll begin at midnight Friday
> night after the Gary Franklin Band finishes their set. Entries will be
> videoed and posted on Facebook with approval.
>
> Think of your best caving story and practice it.
>
> Maybe you’ll win the contest and get your TCR registration fee refunded to
> you as your prize.
>
>
> Bill Steele
>
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
> Irving, Texas
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Re: [Texascavers] sort of conservation related

[Charles Loving]

yep

On Tue, Sep 24, 2019 at 9:04 AM John Brooks 
wrote:

> Good grief David. I suspect this young lady is more aware of the world
> than you give her credit for - just because Texans love to live in their
> cars in trucks - that’s NOT how the rest of the world works or live. In
> fact many cities in the USA are now transitioning to be multi-modal
> cities.you live in the worst of the worst of suburban
> environmentssome would argue that suburban Houstonians are the most
> clueless within the known universethe rest of us are learning to leave
> our cars at home and enjoy life without a 4 ton boat anchor dragging us.
>
> I applaud this young lady for stepping forward and telling us the way it
> isour lifestyle is poisoning the planet for her generation and
> oursand it is time to stop it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 23, 2019, at 8:56 PM, David  wrote:
> >
> > We are all conservationist here to some extent, and should be able to
> discuss
> > conservation without getting our knickers in a wad, or using the p-word.
> >
> > Today in the world news, was a young passionate girl giving an official
> speech of
> > some sort to the United Nations, I assume which was on behalf of her
> generation.
> >
> > Some of you may have seen parts of it or all of it.
> >
> > Our conservation efforts are likely better in 2019 than what was going
> on in 1943.
> >
> > As a self-employed person, I struggle to even recycle the products that
> I use that
> > are recyclable. I made numerous efforts to drive a fuel-efficient
> car, for most of
> > my adult life.  My V8 Sequoia is now a necessity to survive,
> although, in hindsight it
> > was a waste to get the 4x4 version.
> >
> > There is no way on Earth, I could use public transportation in my daily
> routine.I wasted
> > thousands of dollars trying.
> >
> > As for wind-energy, there is little of that in southeast Texas, and
> windmills kill birds and bats,
> > and are unsightly on the landscape. Solar-farms are highly sensitive
> to sand-storms and the
> > areas with the greatest sun-potential have sand-storms.
> >
> > Population growth is a topic nobody seems to want to touch.We have
> too many humans on
> > Earth - especially humans who are not in any way trying to make life
> better for their neighbor.
> > ( I do lots of charity work ).My job is a charity job in a sense.
> >
> > We have people in our society that proudly drive their trucks
> intentionally spewing fumes into the
> > air - as if it is a counter-statement. We have vandals who damage
> natural places, out of boredom
> > and pure nefarious intentions.
> >
> > What this young activist does not understand is how capitalism works and
> the private sector and
> > the public sector, but more importantly how people with low morals end
> up in high places, like being
> > a judge in a court-room after having spent 10 years helping low-life
> criminals get through the revolving-door
> > quicker.   I am in the private sector and I have to deal with b.s.
> up to my waist.   Why
> > just today, a crooked gov't official caused me to waste about $ 10 in
> gas, out of my own pocket.This
> > young lady has never had to work, and see the b.s. that goes on. At
> many places that I had worked in
> > previous years, I was coerced
> > into forging a time-sheet, over-charging the rich customers to
> under-charge the poor-ones, or maybe even
> > vice-versa.
> >
> > We do need to plant more trees, but it will be years before those trees
> grow to replace the ones that got
> > cut down. It is likely those new trees would be cut down too
> someday, so what is the point ?Nearly
> > every tree-planting effort in Houston has been a disaster.The last
> big drought a few years ago, killed
> > most of them.
> >
> > Elon Musk is selling Teslas as fast as he can, but this young lady does
> not understand the economics behind
> > all that. Tesla is a crappy choice of a car in southeast Texas.
>  People in southeast Texas need vehicles that
> > are 4 feet off the ground, and are bullet-resistant.
> >
> > There was a big push for ethanol vehicles a few years ago.That
> program was a disaster in Houston area.
> > Millions of buyers here over-payed for the ethanol-compatible cars (
> flex-fuel ), only to find out that it was a
> > pain in the ***. Cheaper fuel and more fuel stations and larger
> fuel-tanks in the vehicles was needed.
> >
> > Light-Rail in Houston has been a disaster and there is talk of ripping
> it out and putting in a dedicated bus lane
> > in the same spot. I was in favor of light-rail until I saw how
> ludicrous the management of the projects were,
> > and the hurt it did to the businesses along the route.
> >
> > The UN did not "steal this girls dreams." "The fairy-tales of
> business greed," is what the have-nots always have
> > said during every revolution, as they over-throw the rich and powerful.
>  It is always ironic when 

Re: [Texascavers] Sand caves on Mars ?

[Charles Loving]

Good work Bockbeer keep it up. Watch out for the quincerera monsters. And
the Martian sand worms. I have seen them on the tee vee, they live under
the dunes and eat people. There were two or three on earth out in Utah that
some folks killed with an elephant gun or some such. But they may still
live on Mars. I don't think there are any on Pluto but who knows. Prince
Bacaratti had a hidden base on Pluto. He was the evil guy that attacked
Earth with a tornado weapon. Buzz Cory and Cadet Happy took car of that at
some point.

On Tue, Sep 17, 2019 at 2:33 AM David  wrote:

> Several science journals have published the picture below
>
>
> https://cnet3.cbsistatic.com/img/WlcXZdMWg5_hngz8_53JUE-1TH4=/2019/09/16/a250240d-588e-4372-bffb-b0f5cf2adc52/north-polar-dunes-on-mars1.png
>
> It would seem obvious here, we are looking at dunes of some kind, and I
> will call them sand dunes for lack of a better term. The article
> claims the dunes are frozen.Meaning, the dunes are allegedly hard as a
> solid rock, not soft like dunes on Earth.
>
> If you zoom in carefully, in certain areas, the black mineral is clearly
> displaying a pattern of having flowed into the
> position it is presently in.   It would seem it is lighter in weight than
> the sand below it.
>
> What I would like to draw your attention to are the areas where the black
> mineral flow is "resurging" on the opposite
> side of the dune ( flowing from left to right in the photo )
>
> If this is true, it would indicate the black mineral has tunneled its way
> through the dune, in some places
>
> I would guess the dunes were formed by wind, ( during a warmer time ?? )
>
> I believe that I see slot canyons where the black substance cut through
> the dunes.
>
> I would buy the theory that the black mineral once flowed as a liquid and
> not as a gel or molten rock.
> I would say it originated from below the sand.
>
> I do not see where the black mineral was blown by the wind. I do not
> know what that means.Is
> it to heavy to get airborne. I do not see any splatter like you might
> see with a geyser.
>
> There is something interesting in the valleys of the dunes to the far top
> left corner. The basins
> seem to be filled with boulders and craters or holes.
>
> One could possibly imagine there in those basins a giant field of
> popcorn-like-structures the size of a school-bus.
>
> Another possibility is something like black-moonmilk.But that would be
> a little too exciting.   Right ?As that
> would indicate a bacteria-infused liquid. And since bacteria is a
> living organism, that would excite a lot of
> people.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Europe Wants Ideas for Cave-Spelunking Moon Robots.

[Charles Loving]

Cave drones? Covers can now sit back and let the drone do all of it. I
think Lockheed had developed the Locklear Modle 6. It runs on carbide.

On Mon, Sep 16, 2019 at 12:49 PM Jon Cradit 
wrote:

> FYI….
>
> *https://www.space.com/europe-moon-cave-exploration-ideas.html?utm_source=sdc-newsletter_medium=email_campaign=20190916-sdc
> *
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] a toast to two beloved cavers

[Charles Loving]

Longtime caver from the sixties Terry Plemons passed on to the Great Cenote
in the sky this month. An ex PCV, put in a lot of time on the Bustamante
project and did a lot of caving in Texas and Mexico and was also a pillar
of the Caver Cooks for 20 years.

On Fri, Aug 30, 2019 at 7:33 AM Jon Cradit 
wrote:

> David,
>
> Thanks for that reminder of those we’ve lost.
>
> That list is growing too fast.
>
>
>
> Jon
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of *
> David
> *Sent:* Friday, August 30, 2019 2:50 AM
> *To:* CaveTex 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] a toast to two beloved cavers
>
>
>
> This month marks the 10th anniversary of the passing
>
> of Carl Ponebshek,
>
>
>
> and the 20th anniversary of the tragic caving accident
>
> of Christy Quintana.
>
>
>
> I am sure there are others worth mentioning.
>
>
>
> plus or minus a month, you could say something similar
>
> in memory of Joe Ivy, and Ed Alexander, too.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Caving at Gilda's in Nuevo Laredo. Four intrepid covers and tweet ladies or
so. Drank a beer and X was coherased into taking a shower up stairs. The
squeals attracted the attention of A, B, and C and they went to the rescue.
Someone lost the soap and  they ran out of hot water... not that it was
important. We  all got wet and rinsed.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 7:13 PM Charles Loving  wrote:

> Good
>
> On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 12:01 PM Bill Steele 
> wrote:
>
>> Announcing the 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest. Last year we started
>> this and it was a big hit. Come with your practiced best tale. Five minute
>> limit. A panel of impartial judges. A refund of your TCR registration money
>> as the winning prize. Only one entry per caver. Will start around midnight
>> after the Gary Franklin Band finishes their set. Entries will be videoed
>> and posted on Facebook.
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest

[Charles Loving]

Good

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 12:01 PM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Announcing the 2019 TCR Caver Storytelling Contest. Last year we started
> this and it was a big hit. Come with your practiced best tale. Five minute
> limit. A panel of impartial judges. A refund of your TCR registration money
> as the winning prize. Only one entry per caver. Will start around midnight
> after the Gary Franklin Band finishes their set. Entries will be videoed
> and posted on Facebook.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Honey Creek Cave and TCMA

[Charles Loving]

Wait. Isn't Powell's the longest cave in Texas? I thought Karst Walker says
so.

On Mon, Aug 26, 2019 at 7:11 AM  wrote:

> Cavers -
>
> We are excited to announce that Texas Cave Management Association (TCMA)
> and the owners of Honey Creek Springs Ranch (private property) have
> negotiated a formal access and monitoring agreement for Honey Creek Cave,
> the longest cave in Texas.
>
> Honey Creek Cave is a water cave with more than 21 miles of surveyed
> passage, often described as an underground river, and the resurgence serves
> as the headwaters for the flowing section of Honey Creek.  This surface
> stream is known for its superior water quality and unique ecosystem. Honey
> Creek (surface stream) is surrounded almost in its entirety by Honey Creek
> State Natural Area, a unit of TPWD.
>
> TCMA and our members will have four trips a year for scientific,
> exploration (survey), and limited recreational access.  In return, we will
> formalize our monitoring efforts on water quality, cave biota and the
> overall impacts the cave is experiencing. The surrounding area is
> experiencing an explosion of property development and faces significant
> risks from water pumping, waste water discharge, aggregate mining, and
> general impacts from increased human activity.
>
> Kurt Menking will serve as our inaugural project manager. Bill Steele will
> lead the renewed survey efforts. They have a combined experience of nearly
> 80 years with the cave.
>
> Many thanks to the owners of Honey Creek, Kurt Menking, Bill Steele, Andy
> Gluesenkamp, Greg Mosier, Ellie Thoene, Linda Palit and many others for
> their hard work maintaining land owner relationships these past many years.
>
> We are currently working with key folks to establish our trip schedule,
> access guidelines, monitoring protocols etc.
>
> Stay tuned for more information on how you can help TCMA fulfill our
> mission and visit Honey Creek Cave. For membership information please visit
> our website. For questions please contact i...@tcmacaves.org.
>
> Joe Ranzau
> President | Texas Cave Management Association
> www.tcmacaves.org
> 210.289.6839
>
> Permission is granted to distribute this announcement.
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Re: [Texascavers] Logan's Vision

[Charles Loving]

Logan's vision of daring in the name of interplanetary justice.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2019 at 2:55 PM Dale Pate  wrote:

> Sorry meant to put my name on the last email.
>
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[Texascavers] Fwd: Another image

[Charles Loving]

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From: Charles Loving 
Date: Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 7:49 AM
Subject: Re: Another image
To: WILLIAM CALVERT 


Cisco's is still there. Good selfie. Think about October.

On Fri, Aug 23, 2019 at 7:46 AM WILLIAM CALVERT 
wrote:

> This one at Ciscos. Sign on the wall says it was built after the Mexican
> revolution.
>
> I hope it is still standing. There are rumors?
>
>
>
>
> On Aug 23, 2019, at 8:25 AM, Philip Russell  wrote:
>
> As resident historian of Mexico I would question whether Terry was
> actually sitting at a table with a can of Tecate while giving a tour of the
> mescal factory.
> Philip
>
> On Thu, Aug 22, 2019 at 10:10 PM Sam Young  wrote:
>
>> Picture of Terry in Bustamante in 2005.  He was showing us around the
>> mescal factory.  Try this link:
>>
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/6rh1n2jzby1b7tf/PlemonsInBustamante.jpg?dl=0
>>
>>
>

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Re: [Texascavers] vision of our friends--Don

[Charles Loving]

The never ending cave in the sky sounds pretty cool. Is it a booming
passage a crawlway or a sotono? They could be repelling into Dante's
inferno just to check it out.
At the bottom would be a Toyota Sequoia needing repairs.

On Mon, Aug 19, 2019 at 5:12 PM Carol W Russell 
wrote:

> My notion of their heaven would be a sort of Valhalla, with a wonderful
> banquet to which all are invited, but instead of the Viking dream of going
> out to fight all day, and then with wounds miraculously healed at day's
> end, returning to the feast...
>
> Instead cavers would be going out to explore the caverns and far corners
> of the universe all day, returning (miraculously mud-free) to the feast, to
> celebrate new finds, tell stories, sing songs and watch cave videos,
> perhaps slide shows til the wee hours. And the next day the adventures
> would start again. And if you didn't choose to explore, you could work on
> maps or publications, or whatever you wished. And the food and drink would
> be great (you might say, divine)...
>
>
> Carol
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 16, 2019 at 6:37 PM Logan  wrote:
>
>> I'm so mentally exhausted I didn't include Don!
>>
>> Don: "Well, looks like I'm having another adventure, but this one is a
>> lot easier than all the others."
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Re: [Texascavers] vision of our friends--Don

[Charles Loving]

Even I of all people had some adventures with Don. Traveling the roads of
the Republica.

On Sat, Aug 17, 2019 at 12:18 PM Jay Jorden  wrote:

> How about Peter?
>
> "This TCR, I can relax. I watched the hot tub and sauna being packed up at
> Stricklandia ready to deliver, and then my fully trained crew assembled
> them on site with no delays ... and kept all the fires stoked!"
> I'm so mentally exhausted I didn't include Don!
>
> Don: "Well, looks like I'm having another adventure, but this one is a lot
> easier than all the others."
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Re: [Texascavers] BOCKBEER

[Charles Loving]

Well said. I have actually traveled with Bockbeer in person to a dental
adventure. More of the legend coming soon.

On Fri, Aug 2, 2019 at 7:42 AM Geary Schindel 
wrote:

> David L.,
>
>
>
> I hope you know that we (at least I) appreciate your writings as well as
> the colorful character you are. Your road trip reports finding your way to
> the NSS Convention are some of the best written and funniest stuff on the
> caver net every year.
>
>
>
> When I first moved to Texas, we were looking for something to do one
> Thanksgiving and hooked up with David to take a trip south of the boarder.
> We were looking to see if anyone wanted to join us and David volunteered.
> He had been to Mexico many times and spoke Spanish well so it seemed like a
> good fit. We drove as far south as Valles and had a wonderful time. We
> didn’t have an agenda and spent some time driving around looking at caves
> and springs, karst areas, staying at various hotels and eating at local
> restaurants and roadside stands, and getting the grand tour. I will say
> that David has one of the worst cases of Sleep Apnea I’ve ever heard (for
> hours and hours each night I might add).
>
>
>
> But, is heart is pure and he means no harm or malice to anyone. He enjoys
> life and takes it as it comes.
>
>
>
> Viva La David.
>
>
>
> G
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of *
> JamesJasek
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 5:53 PM
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] BOCKBEER
>
>
>
> I know the guy in the cartoons fit near perfectly.
>
>
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhoneX
>
>
> On Aug 1, 2019, at 5:34 PM, Tim Stich  wrote:
>
> That Bockbeer guy reminds me of someone. Ha ha ha.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 1, 2019 at 8:15 AM Geary Schindel <
> gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org> wrote:
>
> Wonderful.
>
>
>
> Thanks for sharing, nice laugh in the morning.
>
>
>
> Geary
>
>
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of 
> *Charles
> Loving
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 1, 2019 9:11 AM
> *To:* Bill Steele ; Cavers Texas <
> Texascavers@texascavers.com>; Carl Kunath ; James
> Jasek ; Crash Kennedy ; Crista
> Cloutier 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] BOCKBEER
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] A new LED headlamp

[Charles Loving]

I do not even have an old Led flashlight. I still use carbide.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 2:52 AM David  wrote:

> I mentioned a few weeks ago that I saw a new headlamp at Walmart that
> caught my eye.
>
> I am in very deep doodoo at the moment, but I went ahead and bought the
> headlamp today.
>
> First impression is this is the first department-store headlamp that I
> have ever seen under $ 25 that is suitable for real Texas caving.
>
> 6 light settings, strap fits over helmet, and has 3 piece strap, dust
> resistant, plastic seems good plastic.  No green or blue or strobe or flash
> settings.
>
> The rotating hinge seems cheezy, so I would set it at the best angle and
> epoxy it.
>
> I would bet you could cave with it for 5 hours, but after that you would
> have to put on a different headlamp.
>
> So this headlamp is better as a back-up, if you plan to cave for more than
> 5 hours.
>
> I would not venture into Honeycreek Cave with it.  Maybe you could
> gerry-rig it to be water-resistant, but not water-proof.
>
> Hopefully, it will end up at the 2020 NSS Consignment Sale.
>
> David Locklear
>
> P. S   Friday morning ( in 29 hours), I go before a county criminal judge
> for cyber-bulling a witness that I spent 9 wasted days trying to deliver a
> subpoena to.I think I know how Mueller feels.  It is a nauseous or
> unsettling feeling.  The case will surely get postponed.   Imagine not
> having any idea who your accuser is - just some random insignificant name
> on a piece of paper.  And then imagine you are certain they are the ones
> that should be on trial, instead of you.   I live in the upside-down.I
> haven't even met with my attorney.  He is out of town till next week.   But
> we texted each other.   I hope that I don't end up like Epstien.
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Re: [Texascavers] Brass Brunton Pocket Transit

[Charles Loving]

Karst Walker had one with a purple ribbon tied to it.


On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 6:38 AM Terry Holsinger  wrote:

> Logan, those were (are?) for sale at the Harbor Freight store here in
> ATX, right next to the Vintage Brass Sextants,
> (
> https://www.harborfreight.com/home-outdoor/home/decorative-items/vintage-brass-sextant-66096.html)
>
> and were priced about the same...
>
> Terry H.
>
> On 7/22/2019 12:00 AM, Logan wrote:
> > I'm interrupting the TexasLockLearList to discuss something that
> > actually has relevance to caving, and to Lee Jay Graves RIP.
> >
> > The caving connection is the Brunton Pocket Transit, aka the Brunton
> > Compass.
> > Except for the old-timers, most of you probably have never used one,
> > so here is some background from Wikipedia.
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunton_compass
> > It was commonly used by cavers when I started in Fall 1968.
> >
> > But over the next several years it had been largely replaced (at least
> > among the American cavers I knew) by the Suunto compass made in
> > Finland, which are still popular today.
> > https://www.suunto.com/en-us/About-Suunto/History-Timeline/
> > In fact for quite a few years a set of the compass and clinometer has
> > been donated by TSS to the winner of the TCR Survey Contest.
> >
> > Now the Lee Jay connection: His storage shed needs to be empty by July
> > 31, so Justin Shaw assembled a team with Galen Falgot, Drew Thompson,
> > Eric Flint & Meg, and Logan McNatt to go over there Friday July 19th
> > evening. Gil Ediger loaned his wonderful Isuzu dump truck and we spent
> > several hours loading over half the contents of the shed. Early the
> > next morning we unloaded everything onto tables in Gil's front yard
> > for an "Everything Must Go Fire Sale".
> >
> > As we emptied the tubs and bags, I noticed something I had never seen
> > before: a _*Brass*_ Brunton Pocket Transit, in pristine never-used
> > condition! So I removed it from the sale items thinking it can go in
> > the Texas Speleological Center Museum whenever that is transferred
> > from the old TSS office at the Pickle Research Campus. A Google search
> > showed the image below which is identical except Lee Jay's is stamped
> > with INDIA rather than STANLEY LONDON.  It appears to be functional
> > and probably modern. At least it doesn't say "Made in China"!
> >
> > Comments and more information on this item are most welcome.Please
> > forward to other cavers who might have insight.
> > Thanks,
> > Logan McNatt
> >
> >
> >
> > Image result for Brass Brunton compass India
> >
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Brass Brunton Pocket Transit

[Charles Loving]

Tape and Brunton survey by.. I recall those in early days before
Bockbeer and his telenovela.

On Mon, Jul 22, 2019 at 12:12 AM Pete Lindsley  wrote:

> Logan, I bought a Brass Brunton several years ago off eBay, and the seller
> claimed it was an authentic antique. NOT! It is a lower precision “look
> alike”, made in India along with similar artsy transits and the like. As I
> recall, comparing it to the other 3-4 “real” Bruntons I have, I noted
> around 30 differences with an authentic Brunton. Nice to look at, but not a
> precision instrument. It took about a month to get my money back (~$30-40).
>
>  - Pete
>
> On Jul 21, 2019, at 11:00 PM, Logan  wrote:
>
> I'm interrupting the TexasLockLearList to discuss something that actually
> has relevance to caving, and to Lee Jay Graves RIP.
>
> The caving connection is the Brunton Pocket Transit, aka the Brunton
> Compass.
> Except for the old-timers, most of you probably have never used one, so
> here is some background from Wikipedia.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunton_compass
> It was commonly used by cavers when I started in Fall 1968.
>
> But over the next several years it had been largely replaced (at least
> among the American cavers I knew) by the Suunto compass made in Finland,
> which are still popular today.
> https://www.suunto.com/en-us/About-Suunto/History-Timeline/
> In fact for quite a few years a set of the compass and clinometer has been
> donated by TSS to the winner of the TCR Survey Contest.
>
> Now the Lee Jay connection: His storage shed needs to be empty by July 31,
> so Justin Shaw assembled a team with Galen Falgot, Drew Thompson, Eric
> Flint & Meg, and Logan McNatt to go over there Friday July 19th evening.
> Gil Ediger loaned his wonderful Isuzu dump truck and we spent several hours
> loading over half the contents of the shed. Early the next morning we
> unloaded everything onto tables in Gil's front yard for an "Everything Must
> Go Fire Sale".
>
> As we emptied the tubs and bags, I noticed something I had never seen
> before: a *Brass* Brunton Pocket Transit, in pristine never-used
> condition! So I removed it from the sale items thinking it can go in the
> Texas Speleological Center Museum whenever that is transferred from the old
> TSS office at the Pickle Research Campus. A Google search showed the image
> below which is identical except Lee Jay's is stamped with INDIA rather than
> STANLEY LONDON.  It appears to be functional and probably modern. At least
> it doesn't say "Made in China"!
>
> Comments and more information on this item are most welcome. Please
> forward to other cavers who might have insight.
> Thanks,
> Logan McNatt
>
>
>
> [image: Image result for Brass Brunton compass India]
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] an attempt at humor

[Charles Loving]

Bockbeer creates his own misery.


On Sat, Jul 20, 2019 at 6:35 PM David  wrote:

> Imagine just for a moment, the worst day that you have ever had
> ( not counting real serious family tragedies, of course )
>
> Now imagine being forcibly locked up with the guy in the link below,
>
> in a tiny cold jail cell and all alone (  for several days ),
> listening to him talk, in a very-slurred east Texas drawl,
> non-stop, ( going on and on ), about LED lights, road-trips without a car,
> caving trips
> that sort-of-almost happened 30 years ago (  but didn't ), NSS Howdy
> Parties,
> and a video that he watched on YouTube a few months back, and
> a the tribulations of 30 people that he once knew that had passed away, and
> other ridiculous things that might maybe have the word "cave" in the
> theme or topic.
>
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/K2SfJ3T1tXdm11ee6
>
>
> Anyways, that guy in the image is me after almost 24 hours of being out of
> the pokey.
> I still have not mentally or physically got back to "my normal."I have
> some major charlie-horses going on, and had to salamander down the
> hall to the restroom this morning. I obviously needed nourishment.
> Life
> as a hermit has its drawbacks. There is absolutely nothing in my
> apartment
> now, but a foam pad, a tv, and an inflatable chair and folding table, (
> and my
> feminine-speaking Nigerian male Craigslist-roommate. )  I no longer
> have
> any towels, or sheets, or toilet-paper there, nor clothes, It is like
> a camping
> trip each time I am forced to go there.
>
> If any of you happen to be on the southside of Monterrey, Mexico next
> week, well,
> my daughter, CavePearl, will be spending summer vacation there at
>
> https://goo.gl/maps/4MwnMhxoZHMedcM37
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Re: [Texascavers] Tropical Storm Barry

[Charles Loving]

You could become a curandero and do magic tricks. You could get a job at a
carnival in Mexico. El Magico Gringo. Pesos and tacos.

On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 4:00 PM Galen Falgout 
wrote:

> I was born in Houma Louisiana
>
> On Fri, Jul 12, 2019 at 3:58 PM David  wrote:
>
>> I have been closely following the forecasted storm in the Gulf over the
>> past 12 hours.
>>
>> The caves around Marianna, Florida are now getting a nice dose of H2O.
>>
>> The storm has been Boring Barry so far, at least in Texas.
>>
>> I did correctly predict the eye of the storm would stay in the Gulf
>> today, and continue moving westward.  The center is now west of Houma,
>> Louisiana, and barely off the coast.
>>
>> But it does look like the center is finally turning north ( as forecasted
>> ), so the Houston / Beaumont region as a whole probably would not get any
>> significant rain on Sunday - at least not blowing in from the coast.
>>  There should be nice breeze right now in the coastal community of Dulac,
>> due south of Houma, but I imagine the humidity is miserable.
>>
>> It is hard to believe that here in 2019, weather scientist still do not
>> have an accurate radar method in the center of Gulf.  The animated radar
>> maps all appear to me to be just educated guesses based on Doppler towers
>> along the coast.
>>
>> The mosquitos next week are going to be nasty in all the areas that
>> received heavy rain.
>>
>> D. L.
>>
>>
>> On a personal note,
>>
>> I am just about finished moving out of my apartment, and today was the
>> busiest that I have been at work in the past week.   I am on Day # 11, of
>> my new Craigslist roommate from Nigeria.   I have been serving subpoenas
>> for over 21 years now, and Wednesday was probably the 3rd worst encounter I
>> have had.Last night, I had to bypass a security fence at a restricted
>> gov't facility, in order to get my subpoena served ( after already being
>> told by them to stop doing that ).   It was almost straight out of the
>> movie, "Serving Sara,"  but I am almost done with this b.s..   It is time
>> for me now, to throw in the towel and if necessary go homeless - like
>> 20,000 other Houstonians.
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Re: [Texascavers] Various rants

[Charles Loving]

BOCKBEER IS 55? Damn I thought he was pushing 75 or 80. He should give his
daughter that podium ladder. Or maybe that lemon truck thing.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 5:46 PM David  wrote:

> From David Locklear
> Please hit delete button now.
>
>
> Does anybody have an exact headcount as to how many Texas cavers attended
> the 2019 NSS Convention ?  And former Texas cavers ?
>
> 4 % of attendees ?
>
> I would be nice if each would post a report of their trip along with why a
> newbie should not miss the 2020 NSS Convention.   It is going to be amazing.
>
>
> I think Mr. Schindel left out the funny part that the NSS was unable to
> find a replacement for him.
>
>
> I learned today that old-timer James Manning who lives in Dickinson is 83
> is healthy enough to go caving.  ( Mary Kay Manning's dad ).   Someone
> should interview him in a cave.
>
>
> Had you been in Houston this morning on Dashwood Street, you would have
> seen my 55 year old l*rd*ss, pushing my Sequoia all alone about a 1/4
> mile.  That nearly killed me, seriously.   The tiniest gradient or pothole
> made the task almost futile.  But I am back on the road now with a giant $
> 700 hole in my wallet.
>
>
> I have been pondering lately the first caveman to have had a teenage
> daughter become interestes sexually in boys.  For 100,000 years or more it
> was perfectly sane and normal for a loving dather to trade his daughters
> for an ox ( or oxen if she had a skill ).   It is a good thing we recently
> cancelled that part of our culture, cause I doubt I could get a goat for
> Cavepearl.   Please don't get me wrong, she is sweet, kind, smart,
> beautiful.  But she can't cook toast, nor operate any appliance -
> especially the clothes-washing machine.She is demanding that I give her
> $ 1,000 in two months for her Quincenera.She caused me to miss a day of
> work this week, at a time that I can't be screwing up.
>
>
> I am in a grumpier mood now that I am 55.
>
>
> My next report should feature something about my new fancy podium-ladder,
> assuming nobody steals it, where I abandoned it at.
>
> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] For your amusement

[Charles Loving]

The Sequoia ( Lemon) seems to be  lots of good money after bad. Trade it in
on a brand new Yugo or Lada or maybe a Fiat?
My 1983 Ford Bronco has over 700,000 miles and has never failed. The drive
shaft fell off in Mexico once but I just wired it back and went on in two
wheel.

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 12:34 AM David  wrote:

> From David Locklear
> Please hit delete button now
>
>
> My beloved 2008 Toyota Sequoia left me stranded tonight for the 3rd time.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/rFmpUvGUNu23fS2X9
>
> I left work after only 3 hours today,  as my plan was to do nothing but
> relax, as it was my 55th birthday.
>
> I decided to go to LOWE's right before they closed and buy an LED headlamp
> that I had been waiting for weeks to try.  They didn"t have it.
>
> A customer had ordered a 16 foot ladder online and apparently brought it
> back.   I haggled with the manager and got it half-price.  He told me, it
> would be regular price in the morning.  I would not have bought it had it
> not been birthday.
>
> I loaded it in the SUV, and was all alone in the parking lot and
> apparently the starter gear broke.
>
> If you can view the photo, you can see four feet of ladder sticking out
> the back.
>
> This is a podium-ladder, meaning it has a platform at 10 feet off the
> ground, to safely stand on.
>
> Hopefully, the TSC will get this someday and will find a use for it in the
> barn, or auction it off.
>
> I am hoping to use it in my storage unit in Brenham, however, I have
> already nearly broken it twice.   I have no idea how I will get it there
> now.
>
> GEICO came through with a good tow.   But now, the Sequoia is parked at my
> apartments and I have no idea what I am going to do tomorrow.
>
> It was a wise choice for me not to drive the Sequoia to the NSS
> Convention.   That would have been devastating, embarrassing, humiliating
> and a lot less fun than hitch-hiking.
>
> You just can not go anywhere anymore without tow-insurance.
>
> I will likely have to greet a million Walmart customers - just to pay for
> my June mistakes.
>
> D.L.
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Re: [Texascavers] Groundwater article

[Charles Loving]

Too many people building too many condos. Things will not get better any
time soon. Barton Springs may just go dry and the swimmers will cry.

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 5:35 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

>
> 
> Katherine ArensPhones: Office(512) 232-6363
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> Dept. of Germanic Studies FAX (512) 471-4025
> 2505 University Ave, C3300  Bldg.Location:  Burdine 336
> University of Texas at Austin Office:  Burdine 320
> Austin, TX  78712-1802
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Re: [Texascavers] various NSS Convention stuff

[Charles Loving]

I hear Lockleer has applied to be a Walmart greeter?

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 8:56 AM John Brooks 
wrote:

> Correction to Allan’s post:
>
> Phones are only as smart as their users.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:48 PM, Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
>
> apologies to Jim!  Got the story backwards .. .
> Groad Hollow was present and accounted for, main thing!
>
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Jim Kennedy  wrote:
>
> Correction to Katie’s post, I carried the Groad Hollow signs up this year
> and installed them on the tent. I was unable to make the Convention last
> year, my first miss since 1995.
>
> Jim
>
> Mobile email from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 6:01 PM, Katherine Arens 
> wrote:
>
> groad hollow is alive and well, with Colin Strickland bringing the sign
> this year, and Jim Kennedy last.  The tent was there until late friday
> evening.
>
> On Jun 24, 2019, at 4:49 PM, Geary Schindel 
> wrote:
>
> Thanks David,
>
> I whipped this out at work and probably should have checked on some of the
> names more carefully. I also misspelled Dave Belski’s name.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Geary
>
> *From:* Texascavers  *On Behalf Of *
> David
> *Sent:* Monday, June 24, 2019 4:35 PM
> *To:* CaveTex 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] various NSS Convention stuff
>
> In the event that someone publishes any of the recent post here by cavers,
> I thought I would suggest some grammar corrections to Geary's
> post.
>
> 1 ) The Fellows Reception
> 2 ) lightning   ( as opposed to:a drop in the level of the
> uterus during the last weeks of pregnancy as the head of the fetus engages
> in the pelvis. )
> 3 ) Fellows of the Society ( or Society of Fellows ? )
> 4 )   Jaqueline Thomas ( goes by J. Larue Thomas  ? ) now of Alabama.
> 5 )  Galan Falgout was accompanied by a lady from the Huautla caving
> area. Meaning she
>   came a really long way to attend the convention.
>
>
> I heard a valid rumor that Maureen Handler played a roll in helping me get
> from my
> motel to the registration on Sunday. I had no earthly idea why there
> was a volunteer
> camped out at my motel in their car patiently waiting on me to take me to
> the high
> school.My only plan was to sleep all day.It was just pure luck
> that I checked my
> messages before about to doze off.   I can attest to the high school
> being a tad bit cold, because
> I was so exhausted after registering, that I had to make a makeshift
> homeless shelter in
> the cafeteria to try to get some shut-eye. And I did not have a
> blanket in my ridiculous
> duffle bag.
>
> I think this was my first convention to not see Roy Wessel roaming around
> somewhere.
>
> On the topic of basking in the glory, it is sort of unusual to see so many
> people bragging of
> their accomplishments.  But when, you only see someone 5 minutes per
> year, you sort
> of have to cram it all in there. A typical conversation, might be,
> something like, "Hello, My
> name is David, and I am just hear to be at The Howdy Party for an hour,
> and then, the other person says,
> oh, I just mapped a 500 meters of virgin passage in Lech - which was
> located 3 hours of hard-core
> caving from a remote outpost camp where we camped underground for 4 days,
> and
> I am here to present a slideshow on that, plus I am here to accept an
> award for saving the pristine
> Deep Hollow Cave from a pipeline going thru it, saving a new unknown
> species of troglobitic asellid."
>
> I only spent about 6 hours socializing at the convention, and probably met
> face to face with 100 or more
> real cavers. It is so hard to remember names, when you only see
> someone for 5 minutes per year, and
> when one can't associate them, with an object or a place. For example,
> one of the people that I always enjoy seeing, I can't
> remember his name.   I think I call him Elvis.  ( his partner Rita passed
> away several years ago ).   I feel that I
> should not forget their names, but I do.
>
> Someone needs to set up The Oztotl Tent at Groad Hollow in 2020 at the
> West Virginia Convention.   What
> ever happened to it ?Has it been set up since the Kerrville Convention
> ?
>
> I have not heard anybody talk about the beer at this convention. Many
> of the old-timers seem to remember a
> convention based on beer.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Road-trip - part 5

[Charles Loving]

Isn't Bockbeer too old and portly to travel like a vagabond? I quit hitch
hiking when I was mustered out of the AF. I had a motorcycle that I drove
it from SFO to DC via PHX and OKC. After that I had my own transportation
and never depended on anyone else. I did go to UT and OU and was a caver
too.

On Thu, Jun 20, 2019 at 3:04 PM David  wrote:

> I should be home in bed by 6 p.m.
>
> https://glympse.com/0CP2-YVJ9
>
> I successfully hitch-hiked from Cookeville to Alief, Texas in under 39
> hours  ( 8 hours of which were about as close to H***, as you can get ).
>
> I never found a Craigslist ride on the way home.
>
> This will definitely be my last vacation / road-trip where hitch-hiking is
> a contigency option.
>
> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Another misadventure

[Charles Loving]

The hero of this epic is amazing. His tela novela is quite tedious and at
times one wonders if the hero is sane. He lives life like no one else I
have ever known.

On Wed, Jun 19, 2019 at 7:14 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:

> Can you imagine if every caver lived their life like that... Let's see
> only about 45 cavers would make it to the convention and the other 1,435
> would be scattered at various hitchhiking points across the USA... And then
> there would be 235,000 emails and replies all explaining their various
> maladies and hard luck stories... Ah the tales of the variuos Craigslist
> drivers like Freddie Kruger and Leatherface... only if...
>
> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 6:44 PM Scott Boyd  wrote:
>
>> His ride was only to Texarkana on I-30. I-49 is where he needs to go
>> south to Humid-town - I mean Houston...
>>
>> Scott D. Boyd
>> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS
>> Professional Transportation, Inc.
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 19, 2019, 5:09 PM John Brooks <
>> john.brooks.archit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What happened?
>>> Did you get dumped on the side of the road ?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2019, at 3:59 PM, David  wrote:
>>>
>>> https://photos.app.goo.gl/y47CBpU325n8rU4R6
>>>
>>> 4 p.m. Wednesday
>>> 10 miles northeast of Texarkana, Texas
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Texascavers] 2019 Howdy Party - Part 2

[Charles Loving]

Bockbeer needs to buy a camera.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 10:50 PM David  wrote:

> They are already blaming me
>
> The Beer Wagon:
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/FmVg2WKwZGmXRqo69
>
> Tell all the wet campers to come to Room 109 at America"s Worst Value Inn
> for a hot shower
>
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Charles Loving]

One has to remember he brought a 100 pound duffel full of stuff he didn't
need. My military duffel bag didn't weigh that much and it held all my
uniforms and shoes.

*Confederacy of Dunces.* Published in 1980. It is the life story of a
Locklear clone. The dunces are all in confederacy against him.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 5:27 PM Mark Minton 
wrote:

> David Locklear said he brought "loafer-shoes for the NSS Banquet", yet
> stated that he could only stay for a couple of days, leaving Tuesday or
> Wednesday. Since the banquet is not until Friday night, why waste weight
> and space on something you won't be using?
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Charles Loving]

There was novel about some guy in New Orleans that was equally inept.
Something about..."Fools". I still can't figure why he needs 100 pounds of
stuff for three days? All that junk food will make you very portly.

On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 4:53 PM Carol W Russell 
wrote:

> "Cheerfully Hapless" would be a good title for a humorous novel, and he
> has oodles of material to work with
>
> Carol.
>
> On Mon, Jun 17, 2019 at 2:27 PM Nancy Weaver  wrote:
>
>> I’m amused by DL stories of convention.  and he is the only one posting
>> that I know of.  I guess we all draw a personality in life and his might be
>> cheerfully hapless.  there are far worse things to be.
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Re: [Texascavers] Groad Hollow

[Charles Loving]

Rune Burnett or Robert. Get the names right.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 6:28 PM David  wrote:

> The Sacred Pilgrimage to Groad Hollow has begun for many cavers.   At
> least 10 have already completed it.
>
> A special place to remember our wonderful friends who passed and left us,
> and to make new friends.   Some of whom like me, are too busy texting to
> know they are here.
>
> https://photos.app.goo.gl/vgdMsQBkH2aUZoTM9
>
> Rupley formerly announced his retirement.  Jake Cox announced he is
> playing harmonica Wednesday night with Albert Ogdon and The Terminal
> Siphons at The Campground Party.
>
> Bill Steele says you all should be her.
>
> The night-time weather should be good for camping. but the ground is hard
> for tent-stakes, and the mid-day sun makes it hot for the campers without a
> large shade.
>
> Rudy Burnett and others and Susan Souby say "We wish you were here."
>
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Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Charles Loving]

 I haven't slept to noon in decades. I rise at dawn thirty everyday. When I
was working swing or the night shift I slept until lunch sometimes.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 9:34 AM David  wrote:

> I can now verify, that I have already bungle-fied my trip.
>
> A poor lady NSS volunteer waited and waited and waited extremely patiently
> at my motel to give me a ride across town to the Convention Registration
> Booth, but I had no idea she was there, and had my phone off to finish my
> beauty-sleep.   Who the heck gets up on Sunday mornings before noon ?
> This was not even on my agenda today.   I had planned to sleep all day.
>
> But I am here, which is too bizarre to be real.   I must be dreaming or in
> a coma.
>
>
> I already found a display of a cave organization.   Cavers need one of
> these displays permanently set up in Houston.
>
> I must find a share-motel for tonight.
>
> The sweet lady that drove me here, offered me a ride to Nashville bus
> station on Tuesday evening.   Somebody please give her a six-pack of her
> favorite beverage.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] a road-trip story - part 2

[Charles Loving]

*100 pounds in a duffle is amazing. I didn't take a 100 pounds for three
weeks in Costa Rica.  I travel with an ancient back pack. I take
extra shorts, a pair of pants, underwear, two or three t-shirts, a shirt, a
jacket, a flashlight (teeny)  some socks, and toilet articles, a knife, all
which weighs maybe 25 pounds. I wear my all purpose shoes, pants, longsleve
shirt, Bil Bell belt, and a gimme hat. Travel light. Oh, and a book or two.
No cell phone or computer. I used to ride the bus at one time. **Going from
Austin to Matehuala was real easy on the Tornado Bus, about twenty bucks.
The five bucks to ride in the back of a pick up to Real de Catorce.  I did
it that way cause it was fun.*

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019 at 8:17 AM David  wrote:

> From David Locklear
>
> My Craigslist chauffeur lived up to his end of the deal.
>
> I had no idea what to expect, but was assuming Dr. Lecter.  He
> arranged to meet Saturday morning for breakfast at his cheap hotel
> in southwest Houston. I was not going to pry into his agenda,
> and told him I would be there.   This location allowed me to leave
> the Sequoia at my apartment. I wasted an hour trying to find a ride,
> to his hotel, and then tried to bum a ride off my neighbors.In
> hindsight,
> I should have just walked a 1/4 mile to the bus stop, as the bus allegedly
> runs every 30 minutes on Saturday.   ( I had only rode it once before a
> long
> time ago, and lacked the time to study the bus routes ).
>
> Anyways, my duffle-bag back weighed 100 lbs, and only had a shoulder
> strap, and I was wearing
> flip-flops.I was drenching in sweat by the time the bus arrived.
>  The bus
> dropped me off a mile from his hotel and I had to walk it Mixtecan-style
> with
> my duffle-bag on my head.I was in a dangerous part of town to be
> alone, and
> had all my trip funds on me as cash, which is something I would not have
> done
> had I had time to prepare for the trip.
>
> By the time I got to his hotel, I was an hour late, but he didn't seem to
> mind.I was
> drenching in sweat, and exhausted when I met him, so that was not a way to
> make
> a good first impression.  He let me shower and change clothes, so once
> we got
> on the road, I felt better.
>
> To my surprise, my first impression of my new Craigslist chauffeur was not
> Dr. Lecter,
> but instead Mr. Wan Kuok-koi, leader
> of the 14K Triad syndicate in China.But that seemed better than what I
> was
> assuming he would be. He had already finished breakfast, but let
> me eat while he packed up his room.  He drove non-stop to Texarkana,
> and I took
> over and drove non-stop to Nashville. There I convinced him to drive
> me to Cookeville
> and get a motel and we would split it, even though Nashville and
> Cookeville were off his
> main route of travel to Detroit.  All in all that, cost me $ 175,
> money I really should have
> spent going to the dentist.
>
> We made the trip in a new Chevy Equinox.It had integrated into the
> side-mirrors a tiny
> yellow symbol to warn you of a car in your blind spot. That feature
> would be worthless in
> Houston, as you always have a car in your blind-spot, and so the light
> would be very
> annoying.   You would have to cover it with black tape.
>
> My Craigslist chauffeur, claimed his name was Barry.He listened to
> that confounded National
> Propaganda Radio, for 15 hours, driving me fr*ckin nuts.He hardly
> uttered a single word for 15 hours, even though he
> spoke perfect English.   ( He claimed he was originally from Maine and had
> been in the Coast Guard
> briefly ) I tried my best to find a topic we could converse, but he
> was either an introvert or an
> underworld fugitive, or there was a remote chance he figured I was crazy
> as a loon, or most likely all
> three of those.
>
> I am now in Room 301, Sunday morning. I plan to sleep until noon, if
> the hotel will let me.
>
> I have no idea what I am going to do this afternoon. I really don't
> have the funds to be up here, and I really
> have a ton of chores waiting on me back in Houston.I have not been
> able to find a ride home
> yet, but there is a shuttle bus back to Nashville. I assume I won't
> have to hard of a problem getting
> back to Nashville.
>
> I will likely only purchase a 1-Day Pass for the NSS Convention. Maybe
> a 2-Day Pass.
>
> I am going to pretend for the next 24 hours that I am on my summer
> vacation, but after that, I have to face
> my reality, and start pondering how to get back to my apartment, so that I
> can get back to work.
>
> P.S. The pool is broken at The Quality Inn, and the breakfast is lame.
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Re: [Texascavers] Happy thoughts

[Charles Loving]

Too many people.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 8:02 PM Carol W Russell 
wrote:

> Still, it seems there are things we can do, and must do, to slow the
> process.
>
> We humans need to change profoundly the way we live.
> It will take a large cooperative effort, at the individual level and at
> government levels worldwide.
>
> We need to stop fighting wars and stop overconsuming the world's
> resources, to preserve its natural wonders and wildlife, so that our kids
> will have the opportunity to enjoy nature and, yes, caving.
>
> Humans are inventive. Let's work on it.
>
> Carol
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 10:58 AM JamesJasek  wrote:
>
>> There is almost no doubt that our grandchildren will grow up in a
>> different world then we live in today. Our government has our country
>> totally and completely screwed up I just don’t feel like we got a chance to
>> survive I’m not so worried about myself but I’m definitely worried about my
>> daughter and my granddaughter
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> Sent from my iPhoneX
>>
>> On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>>
>> *IPCC and the Green idea plans are based on the assumption that
>> greenhouse gases can be removed from the atmosphere. That technology does
>> not exist to scale needed at this time for obvious reasons of energy and
>> land requirements. Paleoclimate records easily show us that you aren't
>> going to simply stop global warming at +1.5-2 C by ending emissions (the
>> current carbon dioxide equivalent concentration is 500 parts of million;
>> 1700s concentration was ~275-280 ppm, even with other greenhouse gases).
>> The 1.5 C report last autumn suggested another 0.6 C of warming was locked
>> in based on recent emissions and we must be net zero carbon by 2050; but
>> this is based purely on emissions from *humans*, removal of carbon on
>> scales of hundreds of gigatons (basically removing what took plants tens of
>> millions of years to sequester...bind as solid matter via plant
>> growth...in *tens of years*...really? With what energy source...what land?)
>> and fast feedback sensitivity. Water vapor...loss of sea ice and
>> albedo...some effects from clouds...other feedbacks which are clearly
>> showing an exponential behavior are simply neglected in models. Even the
>> feedbacks which are easily seen and more quantifiable are accelerating much
>> faster than expected. The Permafrost is melting fast, methane is spewing,
>> the oceans are getting warmer, the circulation in the atmosphere has
>> changed. Are we on the road to extinction? Now that is a happy thought
>> isn't it. Our grand babies might be doomed.*
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Happy thoughts

[Charles Loving]

Yes I see that.

On Sat, Jun 15, 2019 at 10:58 AM JamesJasek  wrote:

> There is almost no doubt that our grandchildren will grow up in a
> different world then we live in today. Our government has our country
> totally and completely screwed up I just don’t feel like we got a chance to
> survive I’m not so worried about myself but I’m definitely worried about my
> daughter and my granddaughter
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhoneX
>
> On Jun 15, 2019, at 9:59 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> *IPCC and the Green idea plans are based on the assumption that greenhouse
> gases can be removed from the atmosphere. That technology does not exist to
> scale needed at this time for obvious reasons of energy and land
> requirements. Paleoclimate records easily show us that you aren't going to
> simply stop global warming at +1.5-2 C by ending emissions (the current
> carbon dioxide equivalent concentration is 500 parts of million; 1700s
> concentration was ~275-280 ppm, even with other greenhouse gases). The 1.5
> C report last autumn suggested another 0.6 C of warming was locked in based
> on recent emissions and we must be net zero carbon by 2050; but this is
> based purely on emissions from *humans*, removal of carbon on scales of
> hundreds of gigatons (basically removing what took plants tens of millions
> of years to sequester...bind as solid matter via plant growth...in *tens of
> years*...really? With what energy source...what land?) and fast feedback
> sensitivity. Water vapor...loss of sea ice and albedo...some effects from
> clouds...other feedbacks which are clearly showing an exponential behavior
> are simply neglected in models. Even the feedbacks which are easily seen
> and more quantifiable are accelerating much faster than expected. The
> Permafrost is melting fast, methane is spewing, the oceans are getting
> warmer, the circulation in the atmosphere has changed. Are we on the road
> to extinction? Now that is a happy thought isn't it. Our grand babies might
> be doomed.*
>
>
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[Texascavers] Happy thoughts

[Charles Loving]

*IPCC and the Green idea plans are based on the assumption that greenhouse
gases can be removed from the atmosphere. That technology does not exist to
scale needed at this time for obvious reasons of energy and land
requirements. Paleoclimate records easily show us that you aren't going to
simply stop global warming at +1.5-2 C by ending emissions (the current
carbon dioxide equivalent concentration is 500 parts of million; 1700s
concentration was ~275-280 ppm, even with other greenhouse gases). The 1.5
C report last autumn suggested another 0.6 C of warming was locked in based
on recent emissions and we must be net zero carbon by 2050; but this is
based purely on emissions from *humans*, removal of carbon on scales of
hundreds of gigatons (basically removing what took plants tens of millions
of years to sequester...bind as solid matter via plant growth...in *tens of
years*...really? With what energy source...what land?) and fast feedback
sensitivity. Water vapor...loss of sea ice and albedo...some effects from
clouds...other feedbacks which are clearly showing an exponential behavior
are simply neglected in models. Even the feedbacks which are easily seen
and more quantifiable are accelerating much faster than expected. The
Permafrost is melting fast, methane is spewing, the oceans are getting
warmer, the circulation in the atmosphere has changed. Are we on the road
to extinction? Now that is a happy thought isn't it. Our grand babies might
be doomed.*


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Re: [Texascavers] A consumer tip - new cell phones

[Charles Loving]

Have no idea what a Garmin is. In the Air Force we had a navigator on our
weather recon aircraft who had a little dome to shoot stars at night. We
also had TACAN and a few other devices. Never got lost. No GPS or Charmin
in those days.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 6:36 PM Scott Boyd  wrote:

> I drive through several states for work every week for the last 7 years. I
> use a Garmin GPS because I like knowing at any time how much longer until I
> get to where I'm going. I can also keep all my waypoints (favorites) on the
> Garmin, and it doesn't need a cellular connection. But, I also have a
> 7-year-old spiral-bound road atlas of the U.S. in the car. If I need to see
> a map of a whole state at once, the road atlas is really MUCH, MUCH better
> than zooming out (and losing detail) and scrolling and scrolling on a tiny
> 5' or 6' screen.
>
> Scott D. Boyd
> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR, OK & MS
> *Professional Transportation, Inc.*
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:27 PM Charles Loving 
> wrote:
>
>> We crossed the Sahara with ONC charts and a Michelin map. Still, have the
>> map in case I need to cross the Sahara again.
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 12:05 PM JamesJasek  wrote:
>>
>>> I forgot to mention using GPS are use up an app called MotionX-GPS GPS
>>> uses the GPS to track my hiking and it’s a fantastic app and it works quite
>>> well but like yourself I also like and use paper maps there is no
>>> substitute as far as I’m concerned for a good paper map boy are you talk
>>> about getting hard to find the old bales of getting a free me up in the gas
>>> station are gone
>>>
>>> Jim
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhoneX
>>>
>>> On Jun 13, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Charles Loving 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Smart phones.
>>>  I had a nifty Samsung something that did all manner of things. The
>>> screen was way too little for my ancient eyes. The teeny ap things were
>>> impossible for my fumble fingers. I kept pushing the wrong buttons and
>>> calling porn-hub or some such. I had two of them and tossed them in a
>>> drawer with my four Kindle machines. I went back to a dumb phone that does
>>> one thing, call people and get rob calls. It will text I think but I don't
>>> do that because it is a pain in the culo,It does have tetris and a phone
>>> book. As for GPS i dug up my road atlas of Texas and a state highway may
>>> with Dolph Briscoe on the cover. It still works. No one calls out here in
>>> Deer Corn, there is still no service. My land line still works quite well.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:18 PM JamesJasek  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nonsense
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhoneX
>>>>
>>>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:32 PM, David  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I needed to get a new smartphone for my business.
>>>>
>>>> I chose the cheap route by 2019 standards.  I now have a shiny new
>>>> Coolpad Legacy from MetroPCS.  This phone falls into "phablet" category.
>>>>  It requires two hands to use and is very heavy.
>>>>
>>>> After 24 hours of using the Legacy, I can say that the fingerprint
>>>> scanner is better than previous cheapo-phones that I have used.
>>>>
>>>> Watching YouTube or surfing the web, etc in landscape position with a
>>>> kickstand is better than on a small smartphone.
>>>>
>>>> I see now why Steve Jobs was so adamant about keeping the iPhone light
>>>> and small.   Most people are going to find using the Legacy as a phone to
>>>> be difficult.  It would be deadly to drive and hold this phone.
>>>>
>>>> Navigation is a plus as the Legacy replaces the need for most small
>>>> portable navigation devices for cars.
>>>>
>>>> Think of the Legacy more as a crappy Garmin navigation device that
>>>> makes cell-phone calls.
>>>>
>>>> Playing simple games on the Legacy such as Freecell is better than on a
>>>> regular smartphone .
>>>>
>>>> It comes with Android 9 and a Type "C" USB which was unheard of in this
>>>> price category.
>>>>
>>>> What this phone does is set the bar for future cheapo-smartphones.
>>>>
>>>> Once we get a real smartphone operating system ( like the upcoming
>>>> Fuchsia OS ) these cheapo-smartphones be will be even more amazing and at
>>>> the same time, taken for granted in the future by today"s yo

Re: [Texascavers] NSS Convention

[Charles Loving]

Actually I would skip living in Houston.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 5:33 PM David  wrote:

> Would you skip this to attend the 2019 NSS Convention ?
>
> Hwy 59 southbound at Shepherd in Houston
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Re: [Texascavers] A consumer tip - new cell phones

[Charles Loving]

We crossed the Sahara with ONC charts and a Michelin map. Still, have the
map in case I need to cross the Sahara again.

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 12:05 PM JamesJasek  wrote:

> I forgot to mention using GPS are use up an app called MotionX-GPS GPS
> uses the GPS to track my hiking and it’s a fantastic app and it works quite
> well but like yourself I also like and use paper maps there is no
> substitute as far as I’m concerned for a good paper map boy are you talk
> about getting hard to find the old bales of getting a free me up in the gas
> station are gone
>
> Jim
>
> Sent from my iPhoneX
>
> On Jun 13, 2019, at 6:28 AM, Charles Loving  wrote:
>
> Smart phones.
>  I had a nifty Samsung something that did all manner of things. The screen
> was way too little for my ancient eyes. The teeny ap things were impossible
> for my fumble fingers. I kept pushing the wrong buttons and calling
> porn-hub or some such. I had two of them and tossed them in a drawer with
> my four Kindle machines. I went back to a dumb phone that does one thing,
> call people and get rob calls. It will text I think but I don't do that
> because it is a pain in the culo,It does have tetris and a phone book. As
> for GPS i dug up my road atlas of Texas and a state highway may with Dolph
> Briscoe on the cover. It still works. No one calls out here in Deer Corn,
> there is still no service. My land line still works quite well.
>
> On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:18 PM JamesJasek  wrote:
>
>> Nonsense
>>
>> Sent from my iPhoneX
>>
>> On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:32 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> I needed to get a new smartphone for my business.
>>
>> I chose the cheap route by 2019 standards.  I now have a shiny new
>> Coolpad Legacy from MetroPCS.  This phone falls into "phablet" category.
>>  It requires two hands to use and is very heavy.
>>
>> After 24 hours of using the Legacy, I can say that the fingerprint
>> scanner is better than previous cheapo-phones that I have used.
>>
>> Watching YouTube or surfing the web, etc in landscape position with a
>> kickstand is better than on a small smartphone.
>>
>> I see now why Steve Jobs was so adamant about keeping the iPhone light
>> and small.   Most people are going to find using the Legacy as a phone to
>> be difficult.  It would be deadly to drive and hold this phone.
>>
>> Navigation is a plus as the Legacy replaces the need for most small
>> portable navigation devices for cars.
>>
>> Think of the Legacy more as a crappy Garmin navigation device that makes
>> cell-phone calls.
>>
>> Playing simple games on the Legacy such as Freecell is better than on a
>> regular smartphone .
>>
>> It comes with Android 9 and a Type "C" USB which was unheard of in this
>> price category.
>>
>> What this phone does is set the bar for future cheapo-smartphones.
>>
>> Once we get a real smartphone operating system ( like the upcoming
>> Fuchsia OS ) these cheapo-smartphones be will be even more amazing and at
>> the same time, taken for granted in the future by today"s young people.
>>
>> David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] A consumer tip - new cell phones

[Charles Loving]

Smart phones.
 I had a nifty Samsung something that did all manner of things. The screen
was way too little for my ancient eyes. The teeny ap things were impossible
for my fumble fingers. I kept pushing the wrong buttons and calling
porn-hub or some such. I had two of them and tossed them in a drawer with
my four Kindle machines. I went back to a dumb phone that does one thing,
call people and get rob calls. It will text I think but I don't do that
because it is a pain in the culo,It does have tetris and a phone book. As
for GPS i dug up my road atlas of Texas and a state highway may with Dolph
Briscoe on the cover. It still works. No one calls out here in Deer Corn,
there is still no service. My land line still works quite well.

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019 at 11:18 PM JamesJasek  wrote:

> Nonsense
>
> Sent from my iPhoneX
>
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 9:32 PM, David  wrote:
>
> I needed to get a new smartphone for my business.
>
> I chose the cheap route by 2019 standards.  I now have a shiny new Coolpad
> Legacy from MetroPCS.  This phone falls into "phablet" category.   It
> requires two hands to use and is very heavy.
>
> After 24 hours of using the Legacy, I can say that the fingerprint scanner
> is better than previous cheapo-phones that I have used.
>
> Watching YouTube or surfing the web, etc in landscape position with a
> kickstand is better than on a small smartphone.
>
> I see now why Steve Jobs was so adamant about keeping the iPhone light and
> small.   Most people are going to find using the Legacy as a phone to be
> difficult.  It would be deadly to drive and hold this phone.
>
> Navigation is a plus as the Legacy replaces the need for most small
> portable navigation devices for cars.
>
> Think of the Legacy more as a crappy Garmin navigation device that makes
> cell-phone calls.
>
> Playing simple games on the Legacy such as Freecell is better than on a
> regular smartphone .
>
> It comes with Android 9 and a Type "C" USB which was unheard of in this
> price category.
>
> What this phone does is set the bar for future cheapo-smartphones.
>
> Once we get a real smartphone operating system ( like the upcoming Fuchsia
> OS ) these cheapo-smartphones be will be even more amazing and at the same
> time, taken for granted in the future by today"s young people.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] a cave painting

[Charles Loving]

Ginger Beer? Isn't beer susposed to be beer? How did Ginegr get in it. did
she come all the way from Giligan's Island?

On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 5:50 PM David  wrote:

> I swear I am going on another hiatus.
>
> I will leave you all with this new video of an artist painting a cave
> entrance.
>
>   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wwbrXq8kJs
>
> I need to get back to work.
>
> If you are anywhere near Houston around June 27th,
> join me for a cold bottle of Fentiman's Ginger Beer for my 55th
> birthday.
>
> David Locklear
> 281-995-8487
> ( text is best )
>
> P.S. There is a 0.1% chance that I can make it to The Howdy
> Party, on
> June 17th.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Video for Locklear

[Charles Loving]

Where is Bockbeer. Haven't heard a poot out of him in ages.

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 12:27 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:

> 1992 Gloworm Cave Entrance. 16 ft tight and I mean tight entrance!
>
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Re: [Texascavers] TC issue

[Charles Loving]

And Bob Oakley too. The list is very long when you get it out.

On Wed, May 22, 2019 at 6:39 PM Carl Kunath 
wrote:

> Please don’t forget David McKenzie and perhaps a few others . . . .
> ===Carl Kunath
>
> *From:* grub...@centurytel.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 22, 2019 6:28 PM
> *To:* texascavers 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] TC issue
>
> I'd like to float the idea of  doing a couple memorial issues of the Texas
> Caver for William Russell, Bill Mixon, Pete Strickland, Lee Jay Graves and
> Don Broussard.  We did so much with those fellows,  They did so much for
> caving.  If folks wrote stories of caving with them, personal recollections
> from days gone by, articles about ways they contributed to our cause it
> would make a large addition to our shared history
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Re: [Texascavers] Don Broussard

[Charles Loving]

I recall a trip where we were caught in a stampede of ticks in some cave on
the Shahan Ranch outside Bracketville.

On Mon, May 20, 2019 at 9:17 PM JAMES JASEK  wrote:

> Wow, what a terrible shock. Don and I were good friends. Don was a really
> nice guy. I first met Don in 1969, on a trip to Carrizal and caved with
> with here in Texas. I will miss him.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Mike Collins question

[Charles Loving]

Mike Collins and I did some caving in Zacatecas and in  and around
Cuernavaca back in the day. We rode the train to DF and then took the
Flecha Roja. Linn was pals of Janey White, Tom White's widow. She might
have a clue.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2019 at 2:53 PM William R. Elliott 
wrote:

> Folks,
>
> I tried to post two photos of Mike Collins here but it is being held up
> for approval because they were sort of big. So, I put the photos on Dropbox
> at:
>
> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/eajv6yuouvxhfdk/AAAczCLT4hh9gq0NrxvIFK3Wa?dl=0
>
> You can click or use that hyperlink to get them (about 4MB).
>
> Meanwhile here's the message...
>
> Mike Collins was a geologist-caver at UT in the late 1960s, and his wife
> was Linn Collins. I knew Mike but have lost track of him.
>
> I [tried to attach] a couple of photos of Mike and friends. I'll forward
> the question about Mike's whereabouts to some old timers.
>
> Photo 1. Look in the recent AMCS Bulletin 26 on p. 165 for a photo by Bob
> Mitchell of Mike rigging the entrance of Sótano del Tigre in the Sierra de
> El Abra, along with James Reddell, Joe Cepeda, Jerry Broadus, Linn Collins,
> and two guides. That was Feb. 1, 1968, 51 years ago.
>
> Mike was sort of famous for photographing a tigre (jaguar) on a ledge near
> the entrance of  Sótano del Tigre. People sometimes confused him with
> Michael Collins, the Texas archaeologist.
>
> Photo 2. Cavers in the woods near Sótano del Tigre, left to right: Linn
> Collins, Joe Cepeda, Jerry Broadus, Mike Collins, James Reddell (by Bob
> Mitchell, Feb. 1, 1968).
>
> Thanks,
>
> *William R. (Bill) Elliott*
>
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>
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell Memorial: Saturday, 27 April 2019

[Charles Loving]

Good grief. I thought it had already happened and I was at the old doctor's
office in San Antone. Sorry about that, i would have been there if I had
known before today. Deer Corn is 120 miles out in the boonies.

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 10:49 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> THE ADDRESS IN RED BELOW HAS BEEN IN EVERY ANNOUNCEMENT BUT THE FIRST>
>
> On Apr 26, 2019, at 10:37 PM, JOHN CHELF  wrote:
>
> An actual address would be helpful for us "out of towners" using Google
> maps.  Thanks.
>
> On Monday, April 15, 2019, 12:41:51 AM CDT, Katherine Arens <
> ar...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
>
> *Memorial for William Hart Russell*
>
> *WHERE:*
>
> At the Texas Speleological Center
>
>
> *14045 North Green Hills Loop Austin 78737-8619 *
>
> *WHEN: *
>
> Saturday 27 April 2019
>
> o   The Texas Speleological Survey is having a meeting from 10 am to
> about 3 pm.  You can show up to listen to the latest news on cage
> documentation in Texas or come any time after 3 PM for an ongoing caver
> gathering in honor of William Russell and the other cavers who have left us
> this year.
>
> o   Food starting around 4:30  pm
>
> o   Story time around 7 pm -- bring your best Bill anecdotes and memories
> to share;  sound system provided by TSS/TSA and Crash Kennedy.
>
> *SOME LOGISTICS:*
>
> o   PARKING IS A BIT TIGHT, so car-pool if you can.
>
> o   You may camp overnight on the property.
>
> o   DRESSCODE:  mud appreciated; caver casual.
>
> *WHAT:*
>
> o   There will be a keg, and a certain number of chairs provided
>
> o   Barbecue (probably brisket and turkey) will be delivered between 4:30
> and 5, along with some ice tea and sides.
>
> o   Please bring something to share, if you are so moved: sides, dessert,
> beverages
>
> o   Please bring what you can eat /drink if potluck doesn't do it for you.
>
> o   bring your own chairs if you're more comfortable that way.
>
> o   Bring a light for post sundown -- outdoor lighting is limited.
>
> o   Bring your own plates and cups to reduce trash,\
>
> o   Please consider taking a bag of trash home with you to help the
> cleanup crew  . . .
>
> *WHAT ELSE TO BRING:  PICTURES AND STORY HOUR*
>
> ·   There will be pictures on a loop on a computer projector; Bev
> Shade was kind enough to set up a place to share William  photos, from
> which I'll collect the options to show.
>
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1WVCZKV2VuO6_2iAQkpG-3GRapXxz1wGM?fbclid=IwAR2414sQmCgq1KWaaq6ZSrttcgkJYz6K487V-w3dnlzU1c0qCDY31JWg1PY
>
> o   Would those of you who are posting photos on FB PLEASE upload high
> res copies to this site.
>
> o   Or bring them on a thumb drive to put on the computer.
>
> ·   If you have moldy oldies as slides, bring them -- there will also
> be a slide projector available, thanks to Crash Kennedy.  Katie would
> also like to borrow and copy slides and pictures, to return to you asap
> (there will be envelopes provided).
>
>  ·   Bev shade ALSO set up a place to share William stories, if you
> want to write them down and share.
> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-GxtL_1pTtoK5gNJIObhPihCsTQHwnD4zTaQjhMnm7Y/edit?fbclid=IwAR3vVssypxOFOaGylYAo-MyvY4_zPLWIx-LeHEgP5DiLGeIZlWO3r0JgySo
>
>  *DRIVING DIRECTIONS:*
>
> ·   Directions from Austin:
> Drive FM 1826 southwest toward Driftwood. Very shortly after passing the
> Driftwood Volunteer Fire Department, turn right onto S. Green Hills Loop
> (there are low curved stone walls around this intersection. Follow this
> around a few gentle curves and past some houses. Take the slight right
> where the road forks, onto the smaller road (this is N. Green Hills Loop).
> Follow up up the hill past a couple more houses and driveways until the
> road makes hard left turn. Go straight into brush lined gravel driveway,
> and you are there (building not visible from the street).
>
>  *THANKS*
>
> to AMCS, TCMA, and TSS for making the Texas Speleology Center available
> for the occasion and for working so hard on renovations to get them done in
> time.
>
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and magazine covers

[Charles Loving]

Time flies when you are having fun.

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 8:21 AM  wrote:

> ps  1976 is only 43 years ago  yer making me feel more ancient than I am
> AGG'i
>
>
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> *From: *"Andy Gluesenkamp" 
> *To: *"texascavers" 
> *Sent: *Tuesday, March 26, 2019 7:11:30 AM
> *Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell, newspaper articles and
> magazine covers
>
> I have been reading my cherished copy of Bill's BITE (Biological
> Investigations of Troglobitic *Eurycea) *report and am ever amazed at the
> effort and thoroughness he put into it.  Even though it is almost 50 years
> old, it remains a reference of singular value and it is the treasure map
> that will eventually lead to the rediscovery of *Eurycea robusta*.  I
> just wish Bill could be here when we find it.
>
> Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas
> 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com
>
>
> On Monday, March 25, 2019, 3:34:19 PM CDT, Logan 
> wrote:
>
>
> Bill also appeared on the cover of the Texas Caver several times (e.g.
> March 1995), and in newspaper articles. I have copies of some of them, but
> not a complete collection or list. Does anyone have those?
>
> On 3/25/2019 1:11 PM, Katherine Arens wrote:
>
> thanks, bill for reminding us
> katie
>
> On Mar 25, 2019, at 1:07 PM, Bill Steele  wrote:
>
> The two highest awards awarded by the National Speleological Society
> (NSS), considered to be equally the highest, are the Honorary Member Award
> and the William J. Stephenson Award for Outstanding Service. Bill Russell
> received the Honorary Member Award in 1998. Other Texans, or cavers or cave
> scientists from Texas or who moved to Texas, who have received it are Bill
> Elliott, Merlin Tuttle and Jim Goodbar.
>
> See this link for information about the award and a list of recipients.
>
> http://caves.org/committee/award/honorary.shtml
>
> Bill Steele
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>   ./'.||'. .  .  .`||.`\.
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Re: [Texascavers] William

[Charles Loving]

Good idea. Maybe a plaque of some kind???

On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 11:44 AM Bill Steele 
wrote:

> Good idea!
>
> Bill Steele
> speleoste...@aol.com
>
> > On Mar 26, 2019, at 11:08 AM, James Jasek  wrote:
> >
> > Since William Russell discovered whirl pool cave not only discovered but
> dug out most of the cave I really think that in honor of Bill the cave
> should be renamed William Russell Cave or something of that nature
> >
> > James Jasek
> >
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Re: [Texascavers] Wed update: Bill Russell

[Charles Loving]

I hate to say this but we all pass on to that great cave in the sky.
Sometimes it is better to let go. I know that sounds crass but that is me.

On Wed, Mar 20, 2019 at 1:02 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> hi gang,
> not doing too well.  May be transferred to ICU again because his blood
> pressure dropped some while he was on dialysis.  If you come see him, ck
> email / facebook before you do for the room.
>
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Your GPS Devices May Stop Working On April 6 If You Don't Or Can't Update Firmware

[Charles Loving]

I use old technology. Never had a GPS. My Brunton seems to work pretty well
to pick out north. And I use paper maps. But then i haven't been lost or on
a mapping trip in 15 years and the Texas Highway Dept map works for me. I
usually know where I am going.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 7:50 PM Bill Bentley  wrote:

> I have 2 Garmin GPS  V unit's  and they will be worthless , they don't
> even show as old legacy units on the Garmin web site. I think i paid
> $350.00 for them back in the day!
>
> Thanks you technology and planned obsolescence!
>
> :(
>
> Bill
>
>
> On 2/14/2019 1:41 AM, Lee H. Skinner wrote:
>
> Another similar to Y2K problem!  GPS receivers built after 2010 should
> handle this week rollover problem OK.
>
>
> News stories at:
>
>
> https://hardware.slashdot.org/story/19/02/14/0041206/your-gps-devices-may-stop-working-on-april-6-if-you-dont-or-cant-update-firmware
>
> and
>
> https://www.theregister.co.uk/2019/02/12/current_gps_epoch_ends/
>
>
> PDF file warning from Homeland Security:
>
>
> https://ics-cert.us-cert.gov/sites/default/files/documents/Memorandum_on_GPS_2019.pdf
>
>
> Lee Skinner
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell

[Charles Loving]

I crawled around in Laubach Cave with Bill. We got in through a well shaft
or some such.

On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:43 AM Nancy Weaver  wrote:

> I was lucky enough to have Terry Raines and Bill Russell as my caving
> mentors in the late 70’s early 80’s.  Between them I was turned onto the
> glories of Mexico and the thrill of exploring the huge ranches that are now
> south Austin after work.
> Bill was a great one for digging and crawlways and I learned to be a fan
> of tight spaces and buckets of rocks.  He was always up for something new;
> one night we decided to leave the cave without any lights on, a tactile
> experience I’ve never forgotten.
> William was also an excellent behind the scenes friend, in time of
> sickness or need.
> Besides his passion for caving, it was always very clear how much Katie
> meant to William.
> He’s a lucky man to have gotten to live doing what he loved, surrounded by
> people he loved.
> Whatever comes next I can see William enthusiastically tunneling his way
> into the great beyond.
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell

[Charles Loving]

Getting old is not fun or for sissies.

On Sat, Mar 9, 2019 at 1:46 PM Katherine Arens 
wrote:

> thanks, carl.  He’s woken up now and then and it looks like his blood
> pressure is stabilizing.  We hope.
> k
>
> On Mar 9, 2019, at 1:33 PM, Carl Kunath 
> wrote:
>
> Katie, thank you for the update.
> That’s the sort of morning news I don’t want to hear.
> I can’t think of a caving friend with more tenure than Bill.  We’ve been
> friends for at least 57 years.
> Bill is a tough guy and has prevailed against a lot of problems.  I’m
> praying that he has the resources to beat this latest threat.
>
> Please let him know that the entire caving community is pulling for him.
>
> ===Carl Kunath
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> *From:* Katherine Arens 
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 09, 2019 9:19 AM
> *To:* Texascavers 
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] Billl Russell in hospital
>
> after coming home from rehab on friday, william started with a cold/flu on
> monday.  He was ok (got up out of bed into wheelchair with help), drank
> ensure, etc), but last night he spiked a fever and while it went down, he
> went unresponsive in less than an hour after the fever broke..  He’s in
> Dell-Seton unconscious, and it doesn’t look great.  just thought you folks
> should know.  This has not been a good 12 months for cavers.
>
> think good thoughts for him
> katie
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Bustamante

[Charles Loving]

The Italian Boy Scout... si it is him.

On Sat, Mar 2, 2019 at 3:49 PM Nico Escamilla  wrote:

> Is that Giovani whatshisface from the boy scouts giving first aid?
>
> El sáb., 2 de mar. de 2019 3:42 PM, Charles Loving 
> escribió:
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