Re: [Texascavers] repair for fiberglass tape
If you already have some Tear-Aid tape at home, I would give it a try (and if you haven't tried it, it's a good one to keep around for patching tents, down sleeping bags or jackets, etc). Type A is general purpose and type B is for vinyl. - Fofo > El mar. 29, 2022, a la(s) 15:07, Jim Kennedy escribió: > > Or buy a brand new tape from Harbor Freight Tools for $13. > > https://www.harborfreight.com/100-ft-x-12-in-open-reel-measuring-tape-62411.html > > Crash > > Mobile email from my iPhone > >>> On Mar 29, 2022, at 4:51 PM, Diana Tomchick >>> wrote: >>> >> Or you can buy a replacement tape for your reel from Forestry Supplies for >> less than $20. >> >> https://www.forestry-suppliers.com/product_pages/ViewItem.php?itemnum=39977 >> >> Diana >> >> >> >> On Mar 29, 2022, at 4:03 PM, Jon wrote: >> >> >> EXTERNAL MAIL >> >> >> I'm in need of some technical help from the most experienced group I know in >> the use and maintenance of fiberglass tape measures. >> I have a 100' open reel that got broken at about the one-meter mark. Its a >> ragged break but no missing pieces, it fits back together like a puzzle >> piece. >> Question: >> How best to reattach the two pieces? Some type of glue with a strip acting >> as a splint? >> Who knows what's been tried? >> I have tried to contact several tape measure companies but I have had no >> luck with them giving me any help. >> >> Jon > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Goodbye to Bill Mixon
It fills my heart with sadness to hear this. I'll miss him. - Fofo > On May 8, 2019, at 17:34, Jocelyn Hooper wrote: > > I am sorry to have to say we have lost another caver friend. Bill Mixon died > this morning after a long battle with myasthenia gravis. Peter Sprouse is > compiling the obit. > Jocie > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] 5 pm Thursday update: William Russell
This is very sad news. My thoughts are with you and with Bill.
- Fofo
On 21/03/19 15:07, Katherine Arens wrote:
stopped breathing and went caving about twenty minutes ago. He's left
the building.
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Re: [Texascavers] Bill Russell Update
I'm so really sorry to hear this.
Sending good energy and positive thoughts, and a hug.
- Fofo
> On Mar 20, 2019, at 14:42, Katherine Arens wrote:
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> Folks, he may not survive the night. He’s gonna miss the cave meeting , . .
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Re: [Texascavers] 7:30 AM Bill Russell update.
I'm really sorry to hear this, I really am. Sending good energy for his
comfort.
- Fofo
> On Mar 10, 2019, at 05:50, Katherine Arens wrote:
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> Not looking good. Send good energy so he’s comfortable.
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] Billl Russell in hospital
I'm really sorry to hear this, Katie.
My best wishes and good vibes to Bill.
Yeah, it hasn't been a good 13 months for cavers.
- Fofo
> On Mar 9, 2019, at 07:19, Katherine Arens wrote:
>
> after coming home from rehab on friday, william started with a cold/flu on
> monday. He was ok (got up out of bed into wheelchair with help), drank
> ensure, etc), but last night he spiked a fever and while it went down, he
> went unresponsive in less than an hour after the fever broke.. He’s in
> Dell-Seton unconscious, and it doesn’t look great. just thought you folks
> should know. This has not been a good 12 months for cavers.
>
> think good thoughts for him
> katie
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Re: [Texascavers] La Cueva del Precipicio, Nuevo Leon, Mexico, a weekend trip from Texas
I was there a few times about 10 years ago and we didn't ask for permission either. Really fun cave! - Fofo On 01/03/19 11:09, Ana Diaz wrote: As many times that we went there in the 90s I do not recall having to ask for permission. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2019, at 12:01 PM, mmin...@caver.net wrote: Is permission needed? I don't recall ever getting permission in the past, when I was on many of those trips with Bill Steele. Since a lot of the Canyon is now a park, is visiting the cave included as part of the park experience? If the cave is not part of the park, who owns the land? Hopefully Nico will provide the answers. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On 2019-03-01 11:21, Nico Escamilla wrote: Ill be in Bustamante this sunday taking the tour of the cave with friends, I shall ask about it. El vie., 1 de mar. de 2019 11:19 AM, Bill Steele escribió: La Cueva del Precipicio Back in the 80s there were many fun/training trips to La Cueva del Precipicio, located high up on the south wall of the Bustamante Canyon, near Bustamante, Nuevo Leon, Mexico. I went there at least a half dozen times. My article in AMCS Activities Newsletter #14 called it a Mexican classic, and indeed it is. Executing the pulldown from its entrance to the road far below after caving has high “pucker power” and is a test of rigging skills. I just looked and all the information you need to take a trip to this Mexican cave is on the TSA website at this link: https://www.cavetexas.org/mexico/precipage.html What is unknown to me is getting permission to do it. I haven’t heard of anyone going to Precipicio in many years, maybe even decades. Anyone know anything? Bill Steele speleoste...@aol.com ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] California Grotto
That would be better, to reach out to Howard directly. The SJVG went through a weird phase recently due to internal issues between cavers, and I guess it's still settling. On top of that, it's a relatively small grotto, with a handful of active cavers (but they are close to some of the best caves in California). - Fofo On 25/06/18 9:46, Bill Steele wrote: Hi Daniel, Have you thought about doing something old fashioned and making a phone call? The 2018 NSS Members Manual lists the name of Howard Hurtt as the contact person for the San Joaquin Grotto, phone number 559-243-0732. That’s what I’d do. Bill Steele speleoste...@aol.com <mailto:speleoste...@aol.com> On Jun 25, 2018, at 11:31 AM, kliban100 . <mailto:danny68rami...@gmail.com>> wrote: I’m taking somewhat of a vacation in California. I located a grotto near where I’m staying at and relayed a message to the grotto to see if they have any activities going in while my stay here in central California. (San Jaoquin Valley Grotto) But to no avail had I heard anything back from them. And that was about a week ago. I’m not one to keep at it on trying to contact them. I give them One chance and there is no reply then the hell with them. And I thought all cavers were friendly to one another. But I guess not and it depends on which part of the country they’re from. The other grottos that I found online are a bit too far away for a drive unless I decide to attend a meeting while I’m here. But I’ll do some hiking while I’m here but have to decide where. But never again will I try to contact this grotto. (Sorry for the negative review) Daniel Ramirez dramire...@ymail.com <mailto:dramire...@ymail.com> Bexar Grotto (Hopefully they have me in their list since I paid dues last October) ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com> | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
[Texascavers] Who wants a DistoX2?
Hi! I got this from Alan Rice: "I'm thinking of building a batch of DistoX2s, so I'm looking to gauge interest. How many people would be interested if you could pick up one fully built for $500? This includes a clear 1015 Pelican box, tax & shipping inside the US. This is not yet a commitment on either one of us, just looking to see how many I should plan on building. Multiple orders are OK. Please forward this to others that may be interested. Email me with "DistoX2" somewhere in the header. Alan at ChronoLogicTiming dot Com." - Fofo ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Information
Hi Daniel, again. Actually, I can't see your email address. Would you send me a message? f...@gzluna.com - Fofo On 29/06/16 9:56, Caver via Texascavers wrote: To all I didn't think of it before I came but I'm in California. I tried to contact a person via email from a grotto in Fresno. But haven't heard anything back and it's been about 4 days. I would like to do a little caving while I'm here. Will be here for another week and a half. Do any of you know of a contact person around the Fresno area that is a caver? Preferably driving distance. Or even a list of great hiking day trips. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Daniel Ramirez (Formerly DFW grotto) P.S. I should attend one of the Bexar grotto meetings at some point since that's the closest one to where I live now. 3-4 hr drive. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Information
Hi Daniel. I'm in the Bay area. I'll send you some contacts in Fresno via PM. - Fofo On 29/06/16 9:56, Caver via Texascavers wrote: To all I didn't think of it before I came but I'm in California. I tried to contact a person via email from a grotto in Fresno. But haven't heard anything back and it's been about 4 days. I would like to do a little caving while I'm here. Will be here for another week and a half. Do any of you know of a contact person around the Fresno area that is a caver? Preferably driving distance. Or even a list of great hiking day trips. Any help is appreciated. Thanks Daniel Ramirez (Formerly DFW grotto) P.S. I should attend one of the Bexar grotto meetings at some point since that's the closest one to where I live now. 3-4 hr drive. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] urgently need quick translation into SPanish
Hey Bill. Sorry I didn't reply. I did get the abstracts yesterday and I'll work on these today. - Fofo On 01/06/16 9:43, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: I have 970 words of abstracts of articles in the forthcoming AMCS Activities Newsletter 39 that I need translated into Spanish by the end of the week (no later than Saturday). If I can't get it done, the traditional Spanish-language abstracts that accompany feature articles in the magazine will have to be left out, because it has to get to the printer. Someone who said he'd do the abstracts has been unable to follow through. -- Bill Mixon What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony Trollope, Barchester Towers You may "reply" to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] new member discount at NSS
It's free if it's less than five minutes :) - Fofo > On 29/02/2016, at 12:38, Jon Cradit via Texascavers > <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote: > > Well Don, that may depend. > How long do you plan on being parked there? > > > > > > -Original Message- > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of > Don Arburn via Texascavers > Sent: Monday, February 29, 2016 2:18 PM > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] new member discount at NSS > > Do they validate parking? > > --Don > >> On Feb 29, 2016, at 1:39 PM, Mixon Bill >> >> For some reason the convention publicity does not mention the licensed >> brothel as a local attraction in Ely :-). -- Mixon > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com > | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers > ___ > Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com > Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: > http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ > http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Global Underwater Explorers
Hi Bill. There is a little bit of this happening in caving too. On any given weekend the gear the type of gear that people take into a cave is very different, everyone has their personal preferences. But on expedition caving there is more uniformity in equipment. You don't see someone using a Mitchell system, another one with a Texas and someone else with a Frog. The way that people cross rebelays is more or less standardized, with some expeditions setting up mini courses outside of the cave to make sure that people are crossing rebelays in a safe and efficient way. That is more or less what GUE wants to do. So that any diver from any part of the world can meet with another GUE diver and she will be confident that if there is any need (for donating gas, for example) this other diver will react in a specific way and there should be no confusion. The standards are rather long, but it's more like having a book describing how to rig a rebelay and how to cross it so that a caver from Washington can team up with a caver from Argentina and move as a team knowing that they will be using the same kind of signals and same techniques (which make it easier to look at someone and know if something is off, instead of trying to figure out first what this other person is trying to do). Sorry for the long reply! - Fofo On 05/08/15 9:28, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Sure, one would like to know that one's diving buddies are qualified and using equipment that is more or less familiar to you, so you can spot problems or help in an emergency; that is their argument. But it can be carried to extremes. See http://www.globalunderwaterexplorers.org/standards and the link there to a nearly 100-page list of training and equipment standards. I suspect (hope) that many cave divers would not find that much regimentation congenial. For example, their equipment standard does not appear to permit side-mounts, which have come to be seen as pretty much essential for a lot of cave diving. (That standard may be sometimes honor'd in the breach.) Rebreather divers must use a GUE-approved rebreather. Global Underwater Explorers clearly consider themselves an elite bunch. Others may disagree, or if they agree (certainly they have some impressive accomplishments), be put off by it. -- Mixon Rules to live by: Don't. And don't forget to. You may reply to the address this message (unless it's a TexasCavers list post) came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Global Underwater Explorers
Hey Mark. It's definitely not my intention to either defend GUE or to start an argument. I just want to understand and hopefully clarify some points. I read the standards and I didn't see anything that specifies the brand of equipment to use. It read more like (continuing with the caving analogy): ... waist harness with a low attachment point, cowstail made with dynamic rope 9 or 10 mm in diameter, descender attached to the harness using a locking carabiner, one main lamp attached to the helmet, ... It is true that people sometimes end up buying the same kind of gear, but I think it's out of convenience, to use something that's tried and true instead of doing a bunch of research and then testing something just to find out it's not ideal (which could be an expensive mistake). When I took the course with the French Cave Rescue we spent half a day going through our gear, making sure that we all used the same kind of cowstails, that we all attached the gear in the same way, etc. We were using different caving harnesses, and different descenders, but the layout of the gear was the same for everyone, to make us more efficient in case we needed to get someone off the rope, or so that we knew what kind of gear everyone else in our team had (your gear is my gear) which we could use if needed. I feel that it's more or less the same mentality. Not so much you must use this brand of gear but more like the gear that we have found works better is of this kind, and this is how you use it to swim single file through a narrow tunnel while sharing gas. Of course, there are many ways to crack a nut, and unfortunately some people that in the early days were associated with what is now GUE were very vocal about no, there is only one right way to crack a nut!! All others are wrong! There are probably some people like that still in the organization, but almost all GUE divers that I have met have been very nice and with an open mentality. - Fofo On 05/08/15 11:27, Mark Minton via Texascavers wrote: There's a difference between having standards for performance/proficiency and mandating the type of equipment one uses. As Fofo said, some expeditions require participants to pass a rebelay course, but none that I've been on specify what type of vertical gear you must use. As long as you pass the course in a safe and timely manner, you're in. Rack or bobbin are equally popular. Some people use a Mitchell on rebelays, even though the more common system by far is frog. But certain body types don't function well with frog, and if you have one of those, you learn an alternative. It is nice to be able to borrow equipment from team members, and one should be at least somewhat familiar with different systems, but I would balk at being told I had to have specific brands or types of gear. Mark On Wed, August 5, 2015 1:49 pm, Fofo via Texascavers wrote: Hi Bill. There is a little bit of this happening in caving too. On any given weekend the gear the type of gear that people take into a cave is very different, everyone has their personal preferences. But on expedition caving there is more uniformity in equipment. You don't see someone using a Mitchell system, another one with a Texas and someone else with a Frog. The way that people cross rebelays is more or less standardized, with some expeditions setting up mini courses outside of the cave to make sure that people are crossing rebelays in a safe and efficient way. That is more or less what GUE wants to do. So that any diver from any part of the world can meet with another GUE diver and she will be confident that if there is any need (for donating gas, for example) this other diver will react in a specific way and there should be no confusion. The standards are rather long, but it's more like having a book describing how to rig a rebelay and how to cross it so that a caver from Washington can team up with a caver from Argentina and move as a team knowing that they will be using the same kind of signals and same techniques (which make it easier to look at someone and know if something is off, instead of trying to figure out first what this other person is trying to do). Sorry for the long reply! - Fofo On 05/08/15 9:28, Mixon Bill via Texascavers wrote: Sure, one would like to know that one's diving buddies are qualified and using equipment that is more or less familiar to you, so you can spot problems or help in an emergency; that is their argument. But it can be carried to extremes. See http://www.globalunderwaterexplorers.org/standards and the link there to a nearly 100-page list of training and equipment standards. I suspect (hope) that many cave divers would not find that much regimentation congenial. For example, their equipment standard does not appear to permit side-mounts, which have come to be seen as pretty much essential for a lot of cave diving. (That standard may be sometimes honor'd in the breach.) Rebreather divers must
Re: [Texascavers] Pedro Elizaldi
That is sad news. Thank you for sharing Nico. Don Pedro Elizaldi was a very nice guy, always had a story to share and it was very pleasant to hang out with him. - Fofo On 24/04/2015, at 19:05, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: For those of you who might have met him, Pedro Elizaldi owner of rancho Minas Viejas died today.. he was placed in a nursing home by his wife and children against his will after having hip surgery, once there he faded fast and finally died this morning. ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Cloud Room
It would be hard to think that no one had been up to the Birthday Passage when at the top of the climb there's a hanger. And I'm sure that the Birthday Passage itself has tracks in the calcite sand. I believe Monica from the Asociacion Coahuilense is in this email list and maybe she will clarify? - Fofo On 18/12/2014, at 09:59, Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Nico, I think you're right. The photo looks like something in the Birthday Passage, known for 30 years or more to Texans. It's a sporting and exposed climb to get up there, so maybe the coahuilense thought it hadn't been done. Hopefully they won't get credit for long, once someone points out the true history of the cave. Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net On Wed, December 17, 2014 10:00 pm, Nico Escamilla via Texascavers wrote: While browsing the news today I found an article on the El Norte website about in Grutas del Palmito aka Bustamante, said article talks about the new discoveries made in the cave by members of the asociacion coahuilense de espeleologia, or aceac using a drone to film upper levels of the cave and mentioned the uniqueness of the speleothems found in that newly found part of the cave The reason why Im using quotes is because the article features a prominent picture of the Cloud Room, and correct me if Im wrong but, hasnt that part of the cave been explored for decades? Heck, I was even there almost 10 years ago Looks like someone is taking undeserved credit here.. link to the article Descubren nuevos salones en grutas Félix Barrón Monterrey, México (17 diciembre 2014).- Una investigación realizada recientemente por especialistas de la Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología en las Grutas de Bustamante descubrió nuevos salones con formaciones únicas en el País. A través de un dron, que captó imágenes en la parte superior de las grutas, exploradas hasta ahora en un 10 por ciento, reveló espeleotemas que comprueban la antigüedad de la formación y su importancia. Tiene todo tipo de espeleotemas registrados, espeleotemas únicos en México y al aparecer en Latinoamérica, expresó en rueda de prensa Ana Gabriela Morales, presidenta de la Asociación Coahuilense de Espeleología. Leer más: http://www.elnorte.com/aplicacioneslibre/preacceso/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5urlredirect=http://www.elnorte.com/aplicaciones/articulo/default.aspx?id=421027v=5#ixzz3MDGsMFIL but its by subscription only ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
Thanks Stefan! I was wondering the same. A few years ago we went with the Monterrey Tec caving group to Carrizal, checked both the water and dry levels and had a blast. We figured it would be an awesome cave to bring newer cavers since it was so cool to have a both hot and cold streams in a cave. In our first trip it was all experienced cavers (with probably higher resistance to histoplasmosis), we didn't know that Carrizal had a high risk of histo, and no one got sick. When we came back with a group of newer and more experienced cavers, all the newer cavers got histo, one of them badly. Too bad, because it's such a cool cave! - Fofo On 11/11/2014, at 17:26, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Dear ? Please sign your messages. Stefan - stefan.crea...@arm.com -Original Message- From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of via Texascavers Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:12 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Carrizal The last time I went to Grutas de Carrizal was 2008. We didn't go to the dry upper level passage, because we knew there was Histoplasmosis there, but three new cavers got histo anyway, (two seriously). It was May, and there were bats in the big passage with the stream. maybe it was always winter when we went in the 70s. Maybe there are now more bats, but I wouldn't try it without histo masks. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Carrizal
Hey Pete! Oh, I can't remember, but it was probably during the summer since we had no newer cavers with us (and if we had gone during the time of eithe the spring or fall semester we would have had more people tagging along). - Fofo On 12/11/14 20:28, via Texascavers wrote: Sorry, that first Carrizal post was Pete Strickland, (I forgot I had to sign now). Fofo- What time of year did the Monterrey nubies get Histo? ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Caving accident in Peru
Hey Josh. I got an update from Gustavo, who is on site as part of the expedition. They say that their biggest problem right now is that the local authorities are not willing with provide food without a clear indication of who will pay for it. There was no mention of equipment needs or personnel needs. There was a medical evaluation of the patient and he may have a fractured vertebra. If there are no further delays the maneuvers to get the patient out of the cave should begin tomorrow afternoon. - Fofo. On 22/09/2014, at 10:49, Josh Rubinstein via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: Ed, Any further news about this rescue? My Spanish is not so good. (My English ain't right either.) Josh On Fri, Sep 19, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Ed Goff via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com wrote: A Spanish caver from Madrid apparently was injured yesterday in a cave near Leymebamba in northern Peru and is awaiting rescue: http://www.20minutos.es/noticia/2242504/0/espeleologo-madrileno/atrapado-cueva/peru/ It looks like the Federación Madrileña de Espeleología is sending a team to Peru on Saturday to help: http://www.fmespeleologia.org/ Ed ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers ___ Texascavers mailing list | http://texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com | Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/texascavers@texascavers.com/ http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] Mailing list maintenance
Thank you!! - Fofo On 06/07/2014, at 21:15, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: Mailing list maintenance is complete. You may resume normal posting. If you see any problems, or have any questions, please reply to me, and not the mailing list. Enjoy! Charles On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 9:06 PM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: You will receive a message after this one from the new mailing list software, it has a login and web url so you can modify your subscription settings, if you choose. You can also ignore it and continue using the list as you have. If you have any questions, please contact me, don't post to the whole list. Thanks for your patience. Charles On Sun, Jul 6, 2014 at 11:42 AM, Charles Goldsmith wo...@justfamily.org wrote: I'm taking the mailing list offline for a bit to migrate to new software, please don't try to post or reply until you see a response to this from me, otherwise the emails will not be delivered. Thanks Charles Texascavers mailing list admin ___ Texascavers mailing list Texascavers@texascavers.com http://lists.texascavers.com/listinfo/texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Caver's worst nightmare
The Mayor's quote is great: Tubingen�s mayor told a local newspaper that he struggled to imagine how the accident could have happened, �even when considering the most extreme adolescent fantasies. To reward such a masterly achievement with the use of 22 firefighters almost pains my soul.� - Fofo On 23/06/14 10:58, Kurt L. Menking wrote: Looks to me like the Aggies need to make a new redesigned squeeze box. Kurt *From:*Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] *Sent:* Monday, June 23, 2014 12:55 PM *To:* Texas Cavers *Subject:* [Texascavers] Caver's worst nightmare Just learned of another �cave� rescue in Germany: a US student who became stuck in a stone vagina and had to be extracted by 22 firefighters. http://globalnews.ca/news/1410029/us-student-gets-stuck-in-vagina-sculpture-rescued-by-22-firefighters/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] German rescue: patient finally out!
Hi! Great news from Germany. The caver is finally out of the cave. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/10911438/German-stuck-in-cave-rescued.html - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Rescue in Germany at a -1148 m cave
Hi, There's an ongoing rescue in Germany, at Riesending-Schachthohle, with a total depth of -1148 m (-3770 ft). The patient is apparently at around -1000 m (-3300 ft) and 200 people are involved in the rescue. Here's a link with some information: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-27759819 - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Arteaga, Michoacán
Thank you Bill. I was wondering, since I haven't heard about caves in that area either. I just checked the geologic map of Mexico and right at Artega, Michoacan, it's all granite, but there appears to be some limestone relatively close, maybe it's there that the caves are. And maybe because of the issues in the area no cavers have checked them. Or maybe it's like in other areas where a talus cave or shelter is the bottomless cave or the one where gold was hidden in the Revolution time and is still there, but whoever finds it has to take it ALL out at once, or nothing at all. - Fofo On 25/04/14 07:25, Mixon Bill wrote: No, Logan, AMCS (or at least I) doesn't know anything about caves near Arteaga, Michoac�n. The caves we know about in Michoac�n are farther north, near the Colima border. It is now possible for anyone to search for most AMCS information on the web: maps of caves in Michoac�n: http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/Mich.html indexes to Activities Newsletters 1-15 and 16-25: http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/1-15-index.html http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/16-25-index.html paper archives http://www.mexicancaves.org/library/archives.html Et cetera. I also asked the global index of everything on my Mac. Arteaga, Coahuila, keeps popping up, but that's pretty much it. -- Mixon Work is the curse of the drinking class. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@mexicancaves.org or sa...@mexicancaves.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] DFW cavers! Anyone up for a beer tomorrow?
Hi! Well, I'll be in your beautiful city tomorrow, Thursday, and if anyone would like to meet for a beer in the evening let me know, you can reply to my email or call/text at 831-776-5385. Unfortunately I'm in town just for Thursday, leaving very early on Friday. Hope to see some of you tomorrow! - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] March NSS News cover model
Thank you Diana! Yes, this was the best birthday present! It was completely unexpected, and I wonder how I can get a couple (hundred) extra copies of the newsletter for giving out as business cards. That's a cool marble passage, lots of really good photo spots. - Fofo On 08/03/2014, at 08:46, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I received the March NSS News yesterday in the mail, and while looking at the cover photo I thought, Dang, I think I know that guy, it looks just like Fofo Gonzalez, and that marble cave looks just like those photos of caves in California. It was nice to see that verified when I opened the issue and checked the photo caption. What a nice birthday present for Fofo (his birthday is this month)! Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biophysics 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214A Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Emails to Julia Germany the past couple of weeks
I know! It's really surprising, but they are still around. It says right there on their MySpace page. - Fofo On 24/08/2013, at 00:04, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: All i have to say is... Do people *still* use AOL?!!! -Stefan From: Julia Germany [germa...@aol.com] Sent: 24 August 2013 01:49 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Emails to Julia Germany the past couple of weeks Hi All! First, I apologize if you are unnecessarily receiving this email. It only pertains to anyone who sent me emails with pictures, attachments or embedded links. If you are one those people, and my email bounced back, PLEASE RESEND the information. I recently upgraded the version of AOL I am using and for the first time EVER with an upgrade, it made a ton of changes to my account, most specifically, deciding that I should not receive the above described emails. ARGH. Many of you have contacted me to let me know you were having trouble, so please resend the information. I just tested out my revised settings by sending every variety of email that has been rejected recently from my biz account, and finally, with ease and speed, I received all of these emails. Looking forward to reading the things I missed. Thanks in advance for resending. And to those who found this an unnecessary email, I apologize again. Be grateful for the delete key :) julia -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Emails to Julia Germany the past couple of weeks
I know! It's really surprising, but they are still around. It says right there on their MySpace page. - Fofo On 24/08/2013, at 00:04, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: All i have to say is... Do people *still* use AOL?!!! -Stefan From: Julia Germany [germa...@aol.com] Sent: 24 August 2013 01:49 To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Emails to Julia Germany the past couple of weeks Hi All! First, I apologize if you are unnecessarily receiving this email. It only pertains to anyone who sent me emails with pictures, attachments or embedded links. If you are one those people, and my email bounced back, PLEASE RESEND the information. I recently upgraded the version of AOL I am using and for the first time EVER with an upgrade, it made a ton of changes to my account, most specifically, deciding that I should not receive the above described emails. ARGH. Many of you have contacted me to let me know you were having trouble, so please resend the information. I just tested out my revised settings by sending every variety of email that has been rejected recently from my biz account, and finally, with ease and speed, I received all of these emails. Looking forward to reading the things I missed. Thanks in advance for resending. And to those who found this an unnecessary email, I apologize again. Be grateful for the delete key :) julia -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2557590 ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered in England Wales, Company No: 2548782 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Mid-day quick report on Mallory, 7/30
That's good news! It makes me happy to hear them. Thanks Emily for keeping us updated. - Fofo On 30/07/2013, at 14:25, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Come on, Mal! On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Emily McGowan emm...@gmail.com wrote: This is from Mal's dad, via Mal's friend Krista's FB page. It was such good news, I had to share now! -- Emily Just a quick little mid-day update. Mallory is breathing on her own, and they took off her neck brace collar. There is no infection in her brain and spinal fluid. She's still unconscious, but reacts to Vickie's voice, and they sat her up on the edge of her bed this morning. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Mid-day quick report on Mallory, 7/30
That's good news! It makes me happy to hear them. Thanks Emily for keeping us updated. - Fofo On 30/07/2013, at 14:25, Gill Edigar gi...@att.net wrote: Come on, Mal! On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Emily McGowan emm...@gmail.com wrote: This is from Mal's dad, via Mal's friend Krista's FB page. It was such good news, I had to share now! -- Emily Just a quick little mid-day update. Mallory is breathing on her own, and they took off her neck brace collar. There is no infection in her brain and spinal fluid. She's still unconscious, but reacts to Vickie's voice, and they sat her up on the edge of her bed this morning. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
You wear a Red Bull wetsuit, and get into the cave by jumping fully geared up from a helicopter hovering 1000 ft above a cenote. Of course, you need a GoPro attached to your helmet. - Fofo On 30/05/13 07:28, Stefan Creaser wrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
You wear a Red Bull wetsuit, and get into the cave by jumping fully geared up from a helicopter hovering 1000 ft above a cenote. Of course, you need a GoPro attached to your helmet. - Fofo On 30/05/13 07:28, Stefan Creaser wrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving
You wear a Red Bull wetsuit, and get into the cave by jumping fully geared up from a helicopter hovering 1000 ft above a cenote. Of course, you need a GoPro attached to your helmet. - Fofo On 30/05/13 07:28, Stefan Creaser wrote: Extreme cave diving? Is that like cave diving but without an air supply? S. From: Don Cooper [wavyca...@gmail.com] Sent: 30 May 2013 02:54 To: Cavers, Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Coming Soon on NOVA - Extreme Cave Diving Cool, huh? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs.
Well, you could set up some pulleys to keep the light at the bottom where it would be more useful. Or even fancier, have the light by the caver all the way down. - Fofo On 17/01/13 10:30, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Details! :) Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:20 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs. The only problem is that the light would be at the top of the drop while the caver is on the bottom! Mark At 10:53 AM 1/17/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: And at the end of the abseil/rappel, sunt lux! http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/kerosene-lamps-face-gravity-powe red-usurper/ Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs.
Well, you could set up some pulleys to keep the light at the bottom where it would be more useful. Or even fancier, have the light by the caver all the way down. - Fofo On 17/01/13 10:30, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Details! :) Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:20 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs. The only problem is that the light would be at the top of the drop while the caver is on the bottom! Mark At 10:53 AM 1/17/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: And at the end of the abseil/rappel, sunt lux! http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/kerosene-lamps-face-gravity-powe red-usurper/ Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs.
Well, you could set up some pulleys to keep the light at the bottom where it would be more useful. Or even fancier, have the light by the caver all the way down. - Fofo On 17/01/13 10:30, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Details! :) Mark -Original Message- From: Mark Minton [mailto:mmin...@caver.net] Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2013 12:20 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gravity-powered LEDs. The only problem is that the light would be at the top of the drop while the caver is on the bottom! Mark At 10:53 AM 1/17/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: And at the end of the abseil/rappel, sunt lux! http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/01/kerosene-lamps-face-gravity-powe red-usurper/ Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] mexico traveling
Cool trip report! Thanks for sharing it. I'm glad you had a great time in Mexico. And yes, they're starting to be more proactive about searching for guns entering Mexico (it used to be that there was almost no search when going from the US to Mexico). - Fofo On 13/12/12 12:36, Nancy Weaver wrote: Thursday Dec 6th Brigit Alexander, her 16 yr old daughter Mimi and school friend Teresa, and I drove to Real de Catorce for a multiday celebration of Humberto Fernandez' 70th bday. The drive down was swift and easy and uneventful. A bit bizarrely, before being allowed to enter the bridge on the US side, each car was being searched with that nifty flashlight and mirror on a stick. When I asked why - we were sonorously told that 'bad things were going in and out of Mexico'. Then we were quizzed as to whether we knew what they were. Brigit won points for quessing drugs were coming in. It was my opinion that bad manners were being exported, but no, turns out guns are being taken into Mexico strapped underneath tourist cars. Who knew. We asked when this search had started and were informed 'it was always this way'. Quess we were just lucky all those border crossings over the past 30 years never to see this. We had a short stop on the other side for papers for Teresa. While waiting in the parking lot, Mimi and I noticed a tv crew interviewing several of the other drivers. Turns out they were doing a story about campesinos traveling in caravans for safety. They were pretty impressed that 4 gringas were traveling alone and wanted to interview us. We wanted to get going and saw no reason to advertise our presence on tv. Most of the autopista traffic is trucks, probably 80- 90%. Made it to Real by dark, and got up before dawn to hike to the peak of the sacred mountain for a sunrise Huichol ceremony. Then the partying started in earnest with dinners, dances, drinks, live bands, and spectacular fireworks for the next 2 days. There were about 80 guests who had bussed, flown and driven (and in the case of the 4 Huichol, walked) in for the celebration. Hollywood was represented by the director and camera people of The Mexican and Pirates of the Caribeean. As usual there were at least 4 languages being spoken. Simultaneously, the town was celebrating one of their biggest holidays - the procession of the virgin, a weekend of promenading the virgins portrait thru the streets from one church to the other, then back, wild ringing of church bells, dancing in feathered sequined costumes (not sure what that was about) and live music. There was a group of about a dozen ATV's at the hotel next to Brigits. And perhaps 30 Harley riders at the Hotel Mina Real. A good time was apparently had by all. Mimi Teresa and I drove down to the partially completed Museo del Desierto, an ambitious underground complex with a fancy road, enormous parking lot, elaborate sculptures scattered across the creosote and cactus. and completely abandoned. Worth a visit, very UFOish, and protected by numerous peyote plants. On the drive home, we decided to try Colombia, since none of us had been there for several years and we were intrigued by the flashy billboards advertising crossing there. The Mexicans are building a multi lane divided highway parallel to the river and there are enormous complexes of factories, perhaps maquilidores? along the way. We were briefly dismayed by 2 long lines of trucks and only one other passenger car, idling. But Brigit opted past all the vehicles, driving up onto the grass to get to the vehicle permit booth to turn in her sticker. It was still trucks as far as we could see, but the Mexicans promptly opened another lane and waved us past everyone and onto the bridge. A delightful gesture. The US side as ever was far less friendly and seemed irritated that a passenger car had entered there interrupting their inactivity. Finally after forbidding Brigit to get out of the car, and questioning us numerous times about our occupations, why we were in Mexico, etc. they got bored and waved us on as well. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] The future of cave surveying?
Howdy! You can just wear this vest and map a cave that you walk through. Yeah, there are already systems like this that have been used for mapping caves, but they are big, heavy and very expensive. This is definitely more portable: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19716723 - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] The future of cave surveying?
Howdy! You can just wear this vest and map a cave that you walk through. Yeah, there are already systems like this that have been used for mapping caves, but they are big, heavy and very expensive. This is definitely more portable: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19716723 - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] The future of cave surveying?
Howdy! You can just wear this vest and map a cave that you walk through. Yeah, there are already systems like this that have been used for mapping caves, but they are big, heavy and very expensive. This is definitely more portable: http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-19716723 - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads
Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies. http://www.dirty-dave.com/ http://crawldaddies.com/ - Fofo On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote: What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of clothing. James Jasek - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads
Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies. http://www.dirty-dave.com/ http://crawldaddies.com/ - Fofo On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote: What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of clothing. James Jasek - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Knee Pads
Dirty Dave's or Crawldaddies. http://www.dirty-dave.com/ http://crawldaddies.com/ - Fofo On 10/09/12 13:20, James Jasek wrote: What are the most comfortable knee pads made to wear on the outside of clothing. James Jasek - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Meander PVC - combi
Ouch... Does anyone know of a good replacement? Mine has patches on top of patches (quite literally!). I found one that I'll be able to borrow from a friend who rarely uses it, but I would like to find a replacement for mine. - Fofo On 28/08/12 17:24, David Ochel wrote: Hi, This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?) Cheers, David Original Message Subject:Meander PVC - combi Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200 From: netopyr neto...@arbenz.ch To: speleo Liste suisse Liste spel�o speleo...@speleo.ch Liebe Freunde, nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte. Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne St�cke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.) Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav Chers Amis, �a y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqu�s. Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore quelgues pi�ces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers) ici le m�ssage officiel, re�u aujourd'hui par e-mail: I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav beste Gr�sse, Thomas meilleur saluts, Thomas - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Meander PVC - combi
Ouch... Does anyone know of a good replacement? Mine has patches on top of patches (quite literally!). I found one that I'll be able to borrow from a friend who rarely uses it, but I would like to find a replacement for mine. - Fofo On 28/08/12 17:24, David Ochel wrote: Hi, This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?) Cheers, David Original Message Subject:Meander PVC - combi Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200 From: netopyr neto...@arbenz.ch To: speleo Liste suisse Liste spel�o speleo...@speleo.ch Liebe Freunde, nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte. Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne St�cke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.) Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav Chers Amis, �a y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqu�s. Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore quelgues pi�ces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers) ici le m�ssage officiel, re�u aujourd'hui par e-mail: I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav beste Gr�sse, Thomas meilleur saluts, Thomas - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: Meander PVC - combi
Ouch... Does anyone know of a good replacement? Mine has patches on top of patches (quite literally!). I found one that I'll be able to borrow from a friend who rarely uses it, but I would like to find a replacement for mine. - Fofo On 28/08/12 17:24, David Ochel wrote: Hi, This - sadly - is saying that Meander has decided not to try and resume the manufacturing of their PVC suits. (I think some of their manufacturing equipment burned down earlier?) Cheers, David Original Message Subject:Meander PVC - combi Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2012 19:07:35 +0200 From: netopyr neto...@arbenz.ch To: speleo Liste suisse Liste spel�o speleo...@speleo.ch Liebe Freunde, nun ist es definitiv so weit : Das Meander PVC Kombi ist Geschichte. Eine Alternative ist nicht in Sicht. (Allerdings hat es noch einzelne St�cke am Lager, so ziemlich die letzten.) Hier die offizielle Mitteilung, die heute per e-mail kam I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav Chers Amis, �a y est - les combis PVC de Meander ne sont plus fabriqu�s. Pour l'instant il n'y a pas d'alternative. (Par contre il en a encore quelgues pi�ces en stock - plus ou moins les derniers) ici le m�ssage officiel, re�u aujourd'hui par e-mail: I am so sorry to inform you, that we finally decided to end production of CRIOU PVC coveralls. The _main_ reason is the old, always problematic technology in welding process. .. With my best regards, Gustav beste Gr�sse, Thomas meilleur saluts, Thomas - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacement.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Hey Bennett. Sorry if there is some confusion, and maybe Serur was asking about the Disto just as a distance measuring tool and in that case, yeah, the D210XT is great. But there are some aftermarket modifications that can be made to the (now obsolete) Disto A3 that make it measure azimuth and inclination as well as distance, so it becomes an all in one survey tool (and if you couple it via Bluetooth with a PDA running PocketTopo or Auriga, it's a paperless survey: http://paperless.bheeb.ch/ ). There is an effort to be able to modify the newer Distos, but it apparently has been much more challenging, that's what I was talking about. Take care, - Fofo On 24/08/12 17:07, Bennett Lee wrote: I've been using the replacement model, the Disto D210XT, for several months. I've been happy with it. Not waterproof, but dust/water resistant enough to handle muddy caves, brief drops in water, and cleaning off in my sink at home. More features than we need cave surveying, but the ones we do need (units, single shot, max/min distance) are accessible and easy to use. Plus the 3-line display lets you quickly pop off 3 shots and average. Nice rubber grip. Runs on 2 AAA batteries, which most of us cavers have on hand in the cave. Haven't heard about the issues Fofo mentioned--mine has been working great. My only complaint is that the large screen is easily scratched, but so far mine has been surviving cave abuse quite well. I'm so pleased that I've been considering buying a second so I have a backup that I can use while sketching. The D210XT runs $219 online. --Bennett -Original Message- From: Fofo [mailto:f...@gzluna.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM To: texascavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever. Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacem ent.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacement.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Hey Bennett. Sorry if there is some confusion, and maybe Serur was asking about the Disto just as a distance measuring tool and in that case, yeah, the D210XT is great. But there are some aftermarket modifications that can be made to the (now obsolete) Disto A3 that make it measure azimuth and inclination as well as distance, so it becomes an all in one survey tool (and if you couple it via Bluetooth with a PDA running PocketTopo or Auriga, it's a paperless survey: http://paperless.bheeb.ch/ ). There is an effort to be able to modify the newer Distos, but it apparently has been much more challenging, that's what I was talking about. Take care, - Fofo On 24/08/12 17:07, Bennett Lee wrote: I've been using the replacement model, the Disto D210XT, for several months. I've been happy with it. Not waterproof, but dust/water resistant enough to handle muddy caves, brief drops in water, and cleaning off in my sink at home. More features than we need cave surveying, but the ones we do need (units, single shot, max/min distance) are accessible and easy to use. Plus the 3-line display lets you quickly pop off 3 shots and average. Nice rubber grip. Runs on 2 AAA batteries, which most of us cavers have on hand in the cave. Haven't heard about the issues Fofo mentioned--mine has been working great. My only complaint is that the large screen is easily scratched, but so far mine has been surviving cave abuse quite well. I'm so pleased that I've been considering buying a second so I have a backup that I can use while sketching. The D210XT runs $219 online. --Bennett -Original Message- From: Fofo [mailto:f...@gzluna.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM To: texascavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever. Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacem ent.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacement.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever.
Hey Bennett. Sorry if there is some confusion, and maybe Serur was asking about the Disto just as a distance measuring tool and in that case, yeah, the D210XT is great. But there are some aftermarket modifications that can be made to the (now obsolete) Disto A3 that make it measure azimuth and inclination as well as distance, so it becomes an all in one survey tool (and if you couple it via Bluetooth with a PDA running PocketTopo or Auriga, it's a paperless survey: http://paperless.bheeb.ch/ ). There is an effort to be able to modify the newer Distos, but it apparently has been much more challenging, that's what I was talking about. Take care, - Fofo On 24/08/12 17:07, Bennett Lee wrote: I've been using the replacement model, the Disto D210XT, for several months. I've been happy with it. Not waterproof, but dust/water resistant enough to handle muddy caves, brief drops in water, and cleaning off in my sink at home. More features than we need cave surveying, but the ones we do need (units, single shot, max/min distance) are accessible and easy to use. Plus the 3-line display lets you quickly pop off 3 shots and average. Nice rubber grip. Runs on 2 AAA batteries, which most of us cavers have on hand in the cave. Haven't heard about the issues Fofo mentioned--mine has been working great. My only complaint is that the large screen is easily scratched, but so far mine has been surviving cave abuse quite well. I'm so pleased that I've been considering buying a second so I have a backup that I can use while sketching. The D210XT runs $219 online. --Bennett -Original Message- From: Fofo [mailto:f...@gzluna.com] Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 10:09 AM To: texascavers Subject: Re: [Texascavers] DistoX X2 Whatever. Yeah. Kevin Dixon made a batch of Disto X boards last year, and it was probably the last one since some of the parts are obsolete and hard to find (and the Leica A3 which this board fits is also pretty hard to find now). I'm excited about the Disto DXT (the newer version), apparently there have been several issues, but I hope that they figure them out soon. So, Serur, at this point it sounds like your best bet would be to find someone who owns a Disto X and hopefully you can borrow it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 24/8/12 6:55 : The Disto X is no longer being made. However a newer version is under development. See http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/01/digital-surveying-disto-x-replacem ent.html, http://paperless.bheeb.ch/. Mark At 03:07 AM 8/24/2012, S S wrote: Does anyone know where you can get a DistoX or whatever the latest revision is. And any feedback on these. Serur - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Swimming cave cricket discovered in Venezuela
Howdy! A cave cricket that ...swims underwater and uses its front legs as a proper breaststroke and its hind legs kicking out has been discovered in Venezuela: http://www.bbc.co.uk/nature/19102700 - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] How to maintain and mark gear, by Petzl
Howdy! Here's a nice guide from Petzl on how to maintain and mark gear: http://www.petzl.com/files/all/technical-notice/both/protecting-equipment-tips_EN.pdf Or: http://tinyurl.com/cs3kutn Have a fun weekend! - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] How to maintain and mark gear, by Petzl
Howdy! Here's a nice guide from Petzl on how to maintain and mark gear: http://www.petzl.com/files/all/technical-notice/both/protecting-equipment-tips_EN.pdf Or: http://tinyurl.com/cs3kutn Have a fun weekend! - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] 16th ICS registration is open!
Howdy! The registration to the 16th International Congress of Speleology in Brno, Czech Republic is open! - Fofo Original Message Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to inform you, that the registration for 16ICS is already open! For your personal registration, booking an accommodation and making a reservations for excursions and field trips, you can use the on-line registration form, or paper-form, which you can download from website, filled it and send us back by fax, or as attachment by e-mail. Detailed information about fees, accommodation and excursions you can find on Congress website www.speleo2013.com , and also in recently published 2nd Circular. Since now, you can also submit your papers. For easy submission we prepared on-line form and template, where you can copy your contribution very easily. More details you can also find on Congress website. I hope to see you in Brno in July 2013! Zdenek Motycka Chairman of 16th International Congress of Speleology - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] 16th ICS registration is open!
Howdy! The registration to the 16th International Congress of Speleology in Brno, Czech Republic is open! - Fofo Original Message Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to inform you, that the registration for 16ICS is already open! For your personal registration, booking an accommodation and making a reservations for excursions and field trips, you can use the on-line registration form, or paper-form, which you can download from website, filled it and send us back by fax, or as attachment by e-mail. Detailed information about fees, accommodation and excursions you can find on Congress website www.speleo2013.com , and also in recently published 2nd Circular. Since now, you can also submit your papers. For easy submission we prepared on-line form and template, where you can copy your contribution very easily. More details you can also find on Congress website. I hope to see you in Brno in July 2013! Zdenek Motycka Chairman of 16th International Congress of Speleology - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] 16th ICS registration is open!
Howdy! The registration to the 16th International Congress of Speleology in Brno, Czech Republic is open! - Fofo Original Message Dear Colleagues, Dear Caving Friends, I am pleased to inform you, that the registration for 16ICS is already open! For your personal registration, booking an accommodation and making a reservations for excursions and field trips, you can use the on-line registration form, or paper-form, which you can download from website, filled it and send us back by fax, or as attachment by e-mail. Detailed information about fees, accommodation and excursions you can find on Congress website www.speleo2013.com , and also in recently published 2nd Circular. Since now, you can also submit your papers. For easy submission we prepared on-line form and template, where you can copy your contribution very easily. More details you can also find on Congress website. I hope to see you in Brno in July 2013! Zdenek Motycka Chairman of 16th International Congress of Speleology - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rope suggestions
Hi Mal! Well... for a practice rope I would prefer an 11 mm one, because they usually take a lot of abuse (by someone new scratching the sheath by not opening completely the cam when downclimbing, etc), and it could be a shorter one, like 50 ft, since it's going to be used indoors. Probably something around 100 ft would be good too. For caving, I prefer 9 mm, since it's lighter. 100 ft would probably be the shortest length. 200 or 300 ft would be handy also. It also depends on where you are going to use it! If you only want one, well, 100 ft of 11 mm would work for the practice and for shorter drops inside a cave. Take care, - Fofo On 03/05/12 11:54, Mallory Mayeux wrote: I'm looking into buying my first rope. (Mostly to be used in my apartment, for our informal rope practice nights, conducted using a ladder stolen from my apartment complex, and the wall of my upstairs loft.) Anyway, I'd like to get something that will be useful for caves as well. So...suggestions, please! Is 50 foot rope too short for most pits? Or is it useful? What brand/thickness would y'all recommend? Thanks in advance for what I'm sure is going to be an interesting discussion. :) Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Rope suggestions
Hi Mal! Well... for a practice rope I would prefer an 11 mm one, because they usually take a lot of abuse (by someone new scratching the sheath by not opening completely the cam when downclimbing, etc), and it could be a shorter one, like 50 ft, since it's going to be used indoors. Probably something around 100 ft would be good too. For caving, I prefer 9 mm, since it's lighter. 100 ft would probably be the shortest length. 200 or 300 ft would be handy also. It also depends on where you are going to use it! If you only want one, well, 100 ft of 11 mm would work for the practice and for shorter drops inside a cave. Take care, - Fofo On 03/05/12 11:54, Mallory Mayeux wrote: I'm looking into buying my first rope. (Mostly to be used in my apartment, for our informal rope practice nights, conducted using a ladder stolen from my apartment complex, and the wall of my upstairs loft.) Anyway, I'd like to get something that will be useful for caves as well. So...suggestions, please! Is 50 foot rope too short for most pits? Or is it useful? What brand/thickness would y'all recommend? Thanks in advance for what I'm sure is going to be an interesting discussion. :) Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: Quaternary geology academic post (lecturer/senior lecturer) at Birmingham
Howdy! An interesting opportunity, for your consideration. - Fofo Original Message Dear speleo- and karst colleagues, I am pleased to announce that we have a Quaternary job vacancy at Birmingham at either lecturer or senior lecturer level, and naturally I'd be particularly interested to receive applicants from this community. Details are below with a closing date of 15th May 2012. Informal enquiries to Ian Fairchild at i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk *University of Birmingham (UK)* *Lecturer/Senior Lecturer in Quaternary Geology* This post is in the School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences (GEES) and is associated with the Geosystems research group. The Geosystems group covers a wide range of activity concerned with the dynamic behaviour of our planet and its complex history, and hence is multidisciplinary, just as Quaternary science. Current Quaternary research at Birmingham includes internationally leading work in speleothem science, modelling of Holocene environments, and multiproxy studies of lacustrine systems. We are looking for an individual who will enhance our existing strong research profile by developing their area of expertise as well as investing effort in collaborations with colleagues in the School and elsewhere in the University. Evidence of a strong track record in publishing work of the highest academic quality and impact, and (for a senior appointment) obtaining external research funding is important. The appointee will also be involved in delivery and management of teaching including both field teaching of the Earth Sciences, and Quaternary science and related subjects. In this respect, we aim to attract an inspiring teacher, able to communicate with researchers, undergraduates, and the general public. For further details of the post and the application procedure follow this link: http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AEG859/lecturer-senior-lecturer-in-quaternary-geology thanks, Ian Ian J. Fairchild Professor and Head of School GEES (School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences) University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham B15 2TT, UK Telephone: +44(0)12141 44173 (Head of School office); 44181 (research/tutorial office) e-mail: i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk Webpage: http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/gees/fairchild-ian.aspx Book on Speleothem Science www.speleothemscience.info http://www.speleothemscience.info
[Texascavers] Fwd: Quaternary geology academic post (lecturer/senior lecturer) at Birmingham
Howdy! An interesting opportunity, for your consideration. - Fofo Original Message Dear speleo- and karst colleagues, I am pleased to announce that we have a Quaternary job vacancy at Birmingham at either lecturer or senior lecturer level, and naturally I'd be particularly interested to receive applicants from this community. Details are below with a closing date of 15th May 2012. Informal enquiries to Ian Fairchild at i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk *University of Birmingham (UK)* *Lecturer/Senior Lecturer in Quaternary Geology* This post is in the School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences (GEES) and is associated with the Geosystems research group. The Geosystems group covers a wide range of activity concerned with the dynamic behaviour of our planet and its complex history, and hence is multidisciplinary, just as Quaternary science. Current Quaternary research at Birmingham includes internationally leading work in speleothem science, modelling of Holocene environments, and multiproxy studies of lacustrine systems. We are looking for an individual who will enhance our existing strong research profile by developing their area of expertise as well as investing effort in collaborations with colleagues in the School and elsewhere in the University. Evidence of a strong track record in publishing work of the highest academic quality and impact, and (for a senior appointment) obtaining external research funding is important. The appointee will also be involved in delivery and management of teaching including both field teaching of the Earth Sciences, and Quaternary science and related subjects. In this respect, we aim to attract an inspiring teacher, able to communicate with researchers, undergraduates, and the general public. For further details of the post and the application procedure follow this link: http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AEG859/lecturer-senior-lecturer-in-quaternary-geology thanks, Ian Ian J. Fairchild Professor and Head of School GEES (School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences) University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham B15 2TT, UK Telephone: +44(0)12141 44173 (Head of School office); 44181 (research/tutorial office) e-mail: i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk Webpage: http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/gees/fairchild-ian.aspx Book on Speleothem Science www.speleothemscience.info http://www.speleothemscience.info
[Texascavers] Fwd: Quaternary geology academic post (lecturer/senior lecturer) at Birmingham
Howdy! An interesting opportunity, for your consideration. - Fofo Original Message Dear speleo- and karst colleagues, I am pleased to announce that we have a Quaternary job vacancy at Birmingham at either lecturer or senior lecturer level, and naturally I'd be particularly interested to receive applicants from this community. Details are below with a closing date of 15th May 2012. Informal enquiries to Ian Fairchild at i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk *University of Birmingham (UK)* *Lecturer/Senior Lecturer in Quaternary Geology* This post is in the School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences (GEES) and is associated with the Geosystems research group. The Geosystems group covers a wide range of activity concerned with the dynamic behaviour of our planet and its complex history, and hence is multidisciplinary, just as Quaternary science. Current Quaternary research at Birmingham includes internationally leading work in speleothem science, modelling of Holocene environments, and multiproxy studies of lacustrine systems. We are looking for an individual who will enhance our existing strong research profile by developing their area of expertise as well as investing effort in collaborations with colleagues in the School and elsewhere in the University. Evidence of a strong track record in publishing work of the highest academic quality and impact, and (for a senior appointment) obtaining external research funding is important. The appointee will also be involved in delivery and management of teaching including both field teaching of the Earth Sciences, and Quaternary science and related subjects. In this respect, we aim to attract an inspiring teacher, able to communicate with researchers, undergraduates, and the general public. For further details of the post and the application procedure follow this link: http://www.jobs.ac.uk/job/AEG859/lecturer-senior-lecturer-in-quaternary-geology thanks, Ian Ian J. Fairchild Professor and Head of School GEES (School of Geography, Earth and Environmental Sciences) University of Birmingham Edgbaston Birmingham B15 2TT, UK Telephone: +44(0)12141 44173 (Head of School office); 44181 (research/tutorial office) e-mail: i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk mailto:i.j.fairch...@bham.ac.uk Webpage: http://www.birmingham.ac.uk/staff/profiles/gees/fairchild-ian.aspx Book on Speleothem Science www.speleothemscience.info http://www.speleothemscience.info
Re: [Texascavers] New Petzl LED
My guess is that it's going to be easy for the sensor to become muddy and it would think that it needs more light, because it's not sensing much (or any, if it's completely clogged). I'll be curious to see what cavers think about it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 16/4/12 19:16 : The big innovation of the NAO light is that it is supposed to sense the environment and automatically adjust the light output to match. ... Sounds like a case of trying to design something to be too smart. What's wrong with manually changing the output as you need to? Mark Justin Leigh Shaw wrote, on 16/4/12 19:06 : I'm curious how well the Reactive Lighting Technology will work in a cave. Could be awesome, or could be frustrating beyond usefulness. Justin - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] New Petzl LED
My guess is that it's going to be easy for the sensor to become muddy and it would think that it needs more light, because it's not sensing much (or any, if it's completely clogged). I'll be curious to see what cavers think about it. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 16/4/12 19:16 : The big innovation of the NAO light is that it is supposed to sense the environment and automatically adjust the light output to match. ... Sounds like a case of trying to design something to be too smart. What's wrong with manually changing the output as you need to? Mark Justin Leigh Shaw wrote, on 16/4/12 19:06 : I'm curious how well the Reactive Lighting Technology will work in a cave. Could be awesome, or could be frustrating beyond usefulness. Justin - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] waterproofing
I saw the video on their website about how they apply the treatment (vacuum deposition, from what they show), and I wondered also how they manage to waterproof the speakers, connectors, around the home button, etc. But they do show videos of a working phone being submerged in water. I'm very curious about this! - Fofo Mixon Bill wrote, on 17/1/12 9:50 : One wonders how that waterproofing nano-sized armor that bonds molecularly to your device allows the various connectors to still work. -- Mixon The world did not end yesterday, as I had predicted. I regret any inconvenience. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] waterproofing
I saw the video on their website about how they apply the treatment (vacuum deposition, from what they show), and I wondered also how they manage to waterproof the speakers, connectors, around the home button, etc. But they do show videos of a working phone being submerged in water. I'm very curious about this! - Fofo Mixon Bill wrote, on 17/1/12 9:50 : One wonders how that waterproofing nano-sized armor that bonds molecularly to your device allows the various connectors to still work. -- Mixon The world did not end yesterday, as I had predicted. I regret any inconvenience. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] waterproofing
I saw the video on their website about how they apply the treatment (vacuum deposition, from what they show), and I wondered also how they manage to waterproof the speakers, connectors, around the home button, etc. But they do show videos of a working phone being submerged in water. I'm very curious about this! - Fofo Mixon Bill wrote, on 17/1/12 9:50 : One wonders how that waterproofing nano-sized armor that bonds molecularly to your device allows the various connectors to still work. -- Mixon The world did not end yesterday, as I had predicted. I regret any inconvenience. You may reply to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
The CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper, GGG and Petzl Avanti seem to be variations on the same theme. Maybe the routing of the straps makes for different comfort levels between them, but of these I've only used the GGG and Avanti. They were both good harnesses. I've been using the Fractio for years and I find it pretty comfortable, once you adjust it to your body. - Fofo Herman Miller wrote, on 7/12/11 18:29 : I have the PMI Pit Viper and for a no nonsense harness it has worked great for me, its lightweight and uncomplicated. I have heard some people complain about the lack of padding though it has never been an issue for me On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com mailto:trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. * Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras* *Maverick Grotto* *Cowtown Grotto* *DFW Grotto* *UT Grotto* *Bexar Grotto* *(832)754-5778 tel:%28832%29754-5778* - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
The CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper, GGG and Petzl Avanti seem to be variations on the same theme. Maybe the routing of the straps makes for different comfort levels between them, but of these I've only used the GGG and Avanti. They were both good harnesses. I've been using the Fractio for years and I find it pretty comfortable, once you adjust it to your body. - Fofo Herman Miller wrote, on 7/12/11 18:29 : I have the PMI Pit Viper and for a no nonsense harness it has worked great for me, its lightweight and uncomplicated. I have heard some people complain about the lack of padding though it has never been an issue for me On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com mailto:trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. * Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras* *Maverick Grotto* *Cowtown Grotto* *DFW Grotto* *UT Grotto* *Bexar Grotto* *(832)754-5778 tel:%28832%29754-5778* - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Need a new harness, any suggestions.
The CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper, GGG and Petzl Avanti seem to be variations on the same theme. Maybe the routing of the straps makes for different comfort levels between them, but of these I've only used the GGG and Avanti. They were both good harnesses. I've been using the Fractio for years and I find it pretty comfortable, once you adjust it to your body. - Fofo Herman Miller wrote, on 7/12/11 18:29 : I have the PMI Pit Viper and for a no nonsense harness it has worked great for me, its lightweight and uncomplicated. I have heard some people complain about the lack of padding though it has never been an issue for me On Wed, Dec 7, 2011 at 5:29 PM, Ryan Monjaras trog...@hotmail.com mailto:trog...@hotmail.com wrote: Looking to get a new caving harness to replace my rock climbing one. What is best, a GGG seat harness, CMI Cave Master, PMI Viper Harness, Singing Rock Harness, Petzl Super Avanti or Petzl Fractio. * Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras* *Maverick Grotto* *Cowtown Grotto* *DFW Grotto* *UT Grotto* *Bexar Grotto* *(832)754-5778 tel:%28832%29754-5778* - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update?
Hey Roger. I did take a couple, I'll update my Facebook album with that (and the Ediger picture that Ted Samsel asked for). - Fofo On 18/10/11 13:35, caverarch wrote: I hope some pictures were taken of the tent memorial because I missed it completely, and Rod was an old, old friend. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 5:45 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update? It was posted on CaveTex about a week ago. Services will be (or maybe WERE by now) held in Memphis, TN, where his family is. I agree, it was a nice memorial at TCR. Thanks to Paul and Katherine and whomever else was involved. -- Crash *From:*mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com?] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:40 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update? Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update?
Hey Roger. I did take a couple, I'll update my Facebook album with that (and the Ediger picture that Ted Samsel asked for). - Fofo On 18/10/11 13:35, caverarch wrote: I hope some pictures were taken of the tent memorial because I missed it completely, and Rod was an old, old friend. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 5:45 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update? It was posted on CaveTex about a week ago. Services will be (or maybe WERE by now) held in Memphis, TN, where his family is. I agree, it was a nice memorial at TCR. Thanks to Paul and Katherine and whomever else was involved. -- Crash *From:*mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com?] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:40 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update? Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update?
Hey Roger. I did take a couple, I'll update my Facebook album with that (and the Ediger picture that Ted Samsel asked for). - Fofo On 18/10/11 13:35, caverarch wrote: I hope some pictures were taken of the tent memorial because I missed it completely, and Rod was an old, old friend. Roger Moore -Original Message- From: Jim Kennedy jkenn...@batcon.org To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Oct 18, 2011 5:45 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: Rod Goke Update? It was posted on CaveTex about a week ago. Services will be (or maybe WERE by now) held in Memphis, TN, where his family is. I agree, it was a nice memorial at TCR. Thanks to Paul and Katherine and whomever else was involved. -- Crash *From:*mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com?] *Sent:* Tuesday, October 18, 2011 9:40 AM *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* [Texascavers] Rod Goke Update? Just checking in to see if there is any new info as to services for Rod and to thank whoever set up the memorial for him at TCR. It was very thoughtful, beautiful, touching, and well done. He would be most pleased. Thanks, Mark - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave
�Hola! Here's an article that I saw today about Twinkie's Cave in Comal County. http://www.khou.com/news/Local-man-makes-prehistoric-discovery-in-his-own-backyard-125157069.html Or http://tinyurl.com/3lynqxr The text of the article is below. Take care, - Fofo -- SAN ANTONIO -- Somewhere in Comal County is a small parcel of private land full of breathtaking views. Hidden amidst the beauty is a mysterious entrance to the unknown. Inside, there is not much space, and it quickly goes from dry to wet. That�s because it's a cave full of spring-fed water. And there are plenty of creatures living inside. �There's a small colony of bats in there,� said William �BT� Price, who owns the land. Price bought the land where the hidden cave is located two years ago. Now, he's a retired banker who's become an explorer of his own backyard. The cave is at least a mile in length. Price and friends are constantly pushing the limits by going into areas where the water and ceiling are separated by inches. �It can be very dangerous -- very, very dangerous -- if it's not done right,� said Price. Within the unknown lies a familiar treasure from prehistoric times: fossils. �Here's some pieces of mastodon teeth,� said Kurt Menking, who has helped Price discover the fossils. Some of the most exotic discoveries include an almost complete skull of a Homotherium, an animal that was part of the saber-tooth tiger family. Other remains are from beasts you only hear about in movies, like 10-foot-tall, 8,000-pound sloths. Concordia University biology professor Laurence Meissner is just one of a few professionals to verify the recent discovery. �Yes, they're legitimate fossils. They lived in the late Ice Age. Probably went extinct around 10 to 15 thousand years ago,� Meissner said. Experts like Meissner said it�s very rare to find fossils in Texas, especially animals like the Homotherium found in the local cave. �It just gives us a record of the past. It tells us what life used to be like 10 to 20,000 years ago and it shows there's been substantial change in the environment here,� Meissner said. Price said he plans to continue seeking more fossils in the area he�s dubbed �Twinkie�s Cave,� named after his fianc�e�s dog. Price�s long-term goal is to have the fossils preserved, then donate the cave to either a caving group or to state-funded paleontology organizations that have seen funding cuts due to budget woes. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave
�Hola! Here's an article that I saw today about Twinkie's Cave in Comal County. http://www.khou.com/news/Local-man-makes-prehistoric-discovery-in-his-own-backyard-125157069.html Or http://tinyurl.com/3lynqxr The text of the article is below. Take care, - Fofo -- SAN ANTONIO -- Somewhere in Comal County is a small parcel of private land full of breathtaking views. Hidden amidst the beauty is a mysterious entrance to the unknown. Inside, there is not much space, and it quickly goes from dry to wet. That�s because it's a cave full of spring-fed water. And there are plenty of creatures living inside. �There's a small colony of bats in there,� said William �BT� Price, who owns the land. Price bought the land where the hidden cave is located two years ago. Now, he's a retired banker who's become an explorer of his own backyard. The cave is at least a mile in length. Price and friends are constantly pushing the limits by going into areas where the water and ceiling are separated by inches. �It can be very dangerous -- very, very dangerous -- if it's not done right,� said Price. Within the unknown lies a familiar treasure from prehistoric times: fossils. �Here's some pieces of mastodon teeth,� said Kurt Menking, who has helped Price discover the fossils. Some of the most exotic discoveries include an almost complete skull of a Homotherium, an animal that was part of the saber-tooth tiger family. Other remains are from beasts you only hear about in movies, like 10-foot-tall, 8,000-pound sloths. Concordia University biology professor Laurence Meissner is just one of a few professionals to verify the recent discovery. �Yes, they're legitimate fossils. They lived in the late Ice Age. Probably went extinct around 10 to 15 thousand years ago,� Meissner said. Experts like Meissner said it�s very rare to find fossils in Texas, especially animals like the Homotherium found in the local cave. �It just gives us a record of the past. It tells us what life used to be like 10 to 20,000 years ago and it shows there's been substantial change in the environment here,� Meissner said. Price said he plans to continue seeking more fossils in the area he�s dubbed �Twinkie�s Cave,� named after his fianc�e�s dog. Price�s long-term goal is to have the fossils preserved, then donate the cave to either a caving group or to state-funded paleontology organizations that have seen funding cuts due to budget woes. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Article on KHOU on Twinkie's Cave
�Hola! Here's an article that I saw today about Twinkie's Cave in Comal County. http://www.khou.com/news/Local-man-makes-prehistoric-discovery-in-his-own-backyard-125157069.html Or http://tinyurl.com/3lynqxr The text of the article is below. Take care, - Fofo -- SAN ANTONIO -- Somewhere in Comal County is a small parcel of private land full of breathtaking views. Hidden amidst the beauty is a mysterious entrance to the unknown. Inside, there is not much space, and it quickly goes from dry to wet. That�s because it's a cave full of spring-fed water. And there are plenty of creatures living inside. �There's a small colony of bats in there,� said William �BT� Price, who owns the land. Price bought the land where the hidden cave is located two years ago. Now, he's a retired banker who's become an explorer of his own backyard. The cave is at least a mile in length. Price and friends are constantly pushing the limits by going into areas where the water and ceiling are separated by inches. �It can be very dangerous -- very, very dangerous -- if it's not done right,� said Price. Within the unknown lies a familiar treasure from prehistoric times: fossils. �Here's some pieces of mastodon teeth,� said Kurt Menking, who has helped Price discover the fossils. Some of the most exotic discoveries include an almost complete skull of a Homotherium, an animal that was part of the saber-tooth tiger family. Other remains are from beasts you only hear about in movies, like 10-foot-tall, 8,000-pound sloths. Concordia University biology professor Laurence Meissner is just one of a few professionals to verify the recent discovery. �Yes, they're legitimate fossils. They lived in the late Ice Age. Probably went extinct around 10 to 15 thousand years ago,� Meissner said. Experts like Meissner said it�s very rare to find fossils in Texas, especially animals like the Homotherium found in the local cave. �It just gives us a record of the past. It tells us what life used to be like 10 to 20,000 years ago and it shows there's been substantial change in the environment here,� Meissner said. Price said he plans to continue seeking more fossils in the area he�s dubbed �Twinkie�s Cave,� named after his fianc�e�s dog. Price�s long-term goal is to have the fossils preserved, then donate the cave to either a caving group or to state-funded paleontology organizations that have seen funding cuts due to budget woes. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] FW: URGENT!!!!!!!URGENT!!!!!!
Rule 34... nbsp;And no, I'm NOT Googling it. What if the Olympic Torch opens and my computer bursts into flames??? nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo On May 11, 2011 13:24, tbsam...@verizon.net lt;tbsam...@verizon.netgt; wrote: You guys are not on the cutting edge. I saw this last Tuesday and knew to avoid it. Anyway, what sort of pervert gets their jollies looking at dead people? You should be ashamed. T May 11, 2011 03:11:57 PM, stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Come on people, do you really believe this stuff? nbsp; Would you believe that someone (other than Wikileaks) has gotten pictures of a dead Osama; especially hanged, I doubt they’d have taken the time to do that, shooting is much quicker…; nbsp; However, if you do believe this then you deserve to open these emails and have your hard drive “burned”… I gt;reallylt; didn’t know that was a feature on over-the-counter hard drives…; nbsp; ;-) nbsp; Cheers, Stefan nbsp; 1.)nbsp; Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden hangednbsp; are being sent and the moment that you opennbsp; these emails your computer will crash and you will not be able to fix it! nbsp; nbsp; 2.) You should be alert during the next few days: nbsp; nbsp;nbsp; Do not open any message with an attached file called 'Invitation' regardless of who sentnbsp; it.nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; It is a virus that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computernbsp; nbsp; -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] FW: URGENT!!!!!!!URGENT!!!!!!
Rule 34... nbsp;And no, I'm NOT Googling it. What if the Olympic Torch opens and my computer bursts into flames??? nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo On May 11, 2011 13:24, tbsam...@verizon.net lt;tbsam...@verizon.netgt; wrote: You guys are not on the cutting edge. I saw this last Tuesday and knew to avoid it. Anyway, what sort of pervert gets their jollies looking at dead people? You should be ashamed. T May 11, 2011 03:11:57 PM, stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Come on people, do you really believe this stuff? nbsp; Would you believe that someone (other than Wikileaks) has gotten pictures of a dead Osama; especially hanged, I doubt they’d have taken the time to do that, shooting is much quicker…; nbsp; However, if you do believe this then you deserve to open these emails and have your hard drive “burned”… I gt;reallylt; didn’t know that was a feature on over-the-counter hard drives…; nbsp; ;-) nbsp; Cheers, Stefan nbsp; 1.)nbsp; Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden hangednbsp; are being sent and the moment that you opennbsp; these emails your computer will crash and you will not be able to fix it! nbsp; nbsp; 2.) You should be alert during the next few days: nbsp; nbsp;nbsp; Do not open any message with an attached file called 'Invitation' regardless of who sentnbsp; it.nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; It is a virus that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computernbsp; nbsp; -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: RE: [Texascavers] FW: URGENT!!!!!!!URGENT!!!!!!
Rule 34... nbsp;And no, I'm NOT Googling it. What if the Olympic Torch opens and my computer bursts into flames??? nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo On May 11, 2011 13:24, tbsam...@verizon.net lt;tbsam...@verizon.netgt; wrote: You guys are not on the cutting edge. I saw this last Tuesday and knew to avoid it. Anyway, what sort of pervert gets their jollies looking at dead people? You should be ashamed. T May 11, 2011 03:11:57 PM, stefan.crea...@arm.com wrote: Come on people, do you really believe this stuff? nbsp; Would you believe that someone (other than Wikileaks) has gotten pictures of a dead Osama; especially hanged, I doubt they’d have taken the time to do that, shooting is much quicker…; nbsp; However, if you do believe this then you deserve to open these emails and have your hard drive “burned”… I gt;reallylt; didn’t know that was a feature on over-the-counter hard drives…; nbsp; ;-) nbsp; Cheers, Stefan nbsp; 1.)nbsp; Emails with pictures of Osama Bin-Laden hangednbsp; are being sent and the moment that you opennbsp; these emails your computer will crash and you will not be able to fix it! nbsp; nbsp; 2.) You should be alert during the next few days: nbsp; nbsp;nbsp; Do not open any message with an attached file called 'Invitation' regardless of who sentnbsp; it.nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; It is a virus that opens an Olympic Torch which 'burns' the whole hard disc C of your computernbsp; nbsp; -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Helmet
Yup, I second the Ecrin Roc. I've seen people trying out the newer styles of helmets and in the end getting back to Ecrin Rocs. They're very good helmets, and comfortable. - Fofo On 26/04/11 14:13, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote: Ecrin Roc. You'll need to trim/sand down the angle on the plastic mounting bracket to fit the curve on the front of the helmet. This is true with many helmets. I like the ERoc because I can feed the wires from the battery through the vent holes and clips and then out to the light. It reduces the exposure of cables to snag on the outside. Very nice. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com *From:* Floyd Hebert heber...@gmail.com *To:* Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tue, April 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Helmet I was going to ask everyone what caving helmet to get, but I thought that might be to vague. So, I'll ask it this way: What helmet would you mount a Stenlight on? Thanks, Floyd - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Helmet
Yup, I second the Ecrin Roc. I've seen people trying out the newer styles of helmets and in the end getting back to Ecrin Rocs. They're very good helmets, and comfortable. - Fofo On 26/04/11 14:13, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote: Ecrin Roc. You'll need to trim/sand down the angle on the plastic mounting bracket to fit the curve on the front of the helmet. This is true with many helmets. I like the ERoc because I can feed the wires from the battery through the vent holes and clips and then out to the light. It reduces the exposure of cables to snag on the outside. Very nice. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com *From:* Floyd Hebert heber...@gmail.com *To:* Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tue, April 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Helmet I was going to ask everyone what caving helmet to get, but I thought that might be to vague. So, I'll ask it this way: What helmet would you mount a Stenlight on? Thanks, Floyd - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Helmet
Yup, I second the Ecrin Roc. I've seen people trying out the newer styles of helmets and in the end getting back to Ecrin Rocs. They're very good helmets, and comfortable. - Fofo On 26/04/11 14:13, Andy Gluesenkamp wrote: Ecrin Roc. You'll need to trim/sand down the angle on the plastic mounting bracket to fit the curve on the front of the helmet. This is true with many helmets. I like the ERoc because I can feed the wires from the battery through the vent holes and clips and then out to the light. It reduces the exposure of cables to snag on the outside. Very nice. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com *From:* Floyd Hebert heber...@gmail.com *To:* Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tue, April 26, 2011 3:52:40 PM *Subject:* [Texascavers] Helmet I was going to ask everyone what caving helmet to get, but I thought that might be to vague. So, I'll ask it this way: What helmet would you mount a Stenlight on? Thanks, Floyd - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] obnoxious landowners
The CRF still does... - Fofo On 04/03/11 15:58, John P Brooks wrote: Do any Caving organizations other than the NSS actually send out Old School newsletters or caving publications that arrive in our mailboxes? - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fake Petzl products
�Hola! Well, it had to happen at some point: Petzl has detected fake products out there: http://www.karstworlds.com/2011/02/attention-petzl-warns-for-fake-chinese.html Let's be careful. - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fwd: Sequoia-Kings Canyon Cave Program vacancy
�Hola! There will be an opening today in the USA jobs website for a cave technician in Sequoia-Kings Canyon. You can read more about it in Joel Despain's email. It's a beautiful park, with lots of unexplored karst. For anyone interested, good luck! - Fofo Original Message Subject: SEKI Cave Program vacancy Hello All: The Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks cave technician position formerly held by Ben Tobin will open today on the USA jobs website. Please share this announcement far and wide. All applicants please be very careful to fully complete the application. It is easy to miss something and every part of the application is important for rating candidates. Note that this term position is scheduled for four years of renewal and may possibly again become a permanent job in the future. The position is base-funded at 6 months per year, but project funds are also likely to fund the position for part of the year for at least the next several years. Also please note that the area around the park has rather expensive housing compared to most of the country, and candidates may want to carefully contemplate their financial situation before accepting this position. The only other significant caveat is that the air quality here is very poor for particulates and ozone. Otherwise this is an amazing and wonderful park and a fine place to work. Best of luck to all candidates! Joel Joel Despain Cave Specialist for Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks 47050 Generals Highway Three Rivers, CA 93271 559 565-3717 joel_desp...@nps.gov - Forwarded by Joel Despain/SEKI/NPS on 02/01/2011 08:43 AM - Subject Vacancy Announcement Opening: 02/01/2011 Closing: 02/14/2011 Physical Science Technician GS-1311-07 TERM Subject to Furlough NTE 13 months All Sources and Merit Promotion Eric Abbott Human Resources Specialist Sequoia and Kings Canyon National Parks O - 559-565-3753 F - 559-565-4247 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Will new film Sanctum be the Vertical Limit of Caving?
Oh, who are we kidding? We will _all_ see it, like The Descent and The Cave, and then when it's out on DVD someone will have friends over (hey, a drinking game when every time there's something completely out of normal caving happens on screen can get pretty interesting) or it'll be shown at a grotto social. I'm looking forward to it! nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo On Jan 22, 2011 17:24, Tim Stich lt;timstic...@gmail.comgt; wrote: Here's the trailer. I have a bad feeling about it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaZHjv3ASfw It seems to have all of the earmarks of an exploitation style hack job. Stupid, needless bickering within the expedition group. Backwards, Aussie-style rappelling. All that seems to be missing is the nitro. So who's going to go see it? I'll wait for your reviews. -Tim
RE: [Texascavers] Facebook related
MySpace... I should join that. I think it's growing like crazy and doing great. nbsp;:) nbsp;nbsp; nbsp; - Fofo On Jan 12, 2011 10:08, Fritz Holt lt;fh...@townandcountryins.comgt; wrote: I'm not on facebook, myspace or anything else. If anyone wants to communicate with me they can use my e-mail or the old fashioned (and indispensable) telephone. If it concerns caving or may be of interest to cavers, what's wrong with texascavers@texascavers.com or OT? Fritz (Geezer and proud Spelunker) 713-818-2496 ATamp;T cell -Original Message- From: David [mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2011 7:20 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] Facebook related Facebook has become a more valuable resource to Texas cavers than CaveTex. Recently cavers have been posting interesting historical photos, and socializing in a way that was never done on CaveTex. Just in the past few days, there have been interesting discussions about Mr. Jasek's caver panorama shots. Maybe a few of you haven't got on Facebook yet, but nearly ever Texas caver has. Many are having productive discussions amongst themselves that were not possible on Cavetex. Last year, several large caver gatherings benefited from the Events planning feature of Facebook.This feature is ideal for planning caving gatherings. As mentioned before, several grottos have their own Facebook page, as does several caving organizations in Texas. Below is an example: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=28567352179 I am not saying CaveTex is obsolete. It is just a different form or resource for communicating. Potentially there are dozens of Texas cavers on Facebook that are not on CaveTex, and also hundreds of people that could potentially be good cavers or make some form of constructive contribution to the protect caves and bats. I have made a faithful effort to move all my ranting to Facebook, and many of the other things I used to post about. Most other cavers have too. It does not look like Facebook is going away anytime soon. All the latest cell-phones have Facebook built into them, as will the upcoming portable tablet gadgets, that cavers will soon be travelling with on their road-trips. The only logical course now is to find ways to use Facebook to make caving in Texas even more fun, or productive.For example, a cave rescue call-out might be more productive on Facebook, or an invitation to the Kiwi Dig project. You would just need to create a page for those and invite your Facebook friends to join, and eventually you would have a base of support for that particular project. For example, http://www.facebook.com/CaveDive Anyone wishing to continue this discussion may do so at: http://www.facebook.com/home.php?sk=group_191886334161087 David Locklear co-host of the East Texas Caver's Cookout http://www.facebook.com/pages/2nd-Annual-East-Texas-Cavers-Cookout/126749377360713 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais
Hi Andy. I don't think that it's this particular closure that's bothersome, but it's more about the trend that it shows. The Forest Service is recommending closing access to caves in their lands, in California, Lava Beds National Monument is rewriting its general plan and considering excluding caving (and there's pretty much nothing else to do there other than go into lava tubes). In the eastern US there are more caves in private lands than public lands, but in the western US is the other way around, so things like this would have a big impact in caving. And of course, the reaction is more Oh, man, I won't be able to go caving and I really like caving! but I agree that they are just blanket measures, extreme measures, so that the agencies err on the side of caution. If a cave in a specific park gets WNS, then the park manager will have to answer why he didn't do more, so restricting all access brings him some safety. Not that I support this, but I guess that's why it's being done. - Fofo Andy Gluesenkamp wrote, on 10/12/10 10:48 : Or conduct a study to see how many people would actually be affected by a closure of those selected El Malpais caves. Answer: very, very few. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com *From:* Rod Goke rod.g...@earthlink.net *To:* Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Fri, December 10, 2010 11:43:44 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais If the bureaucrats are so interested in research, why don't they make a serious effort to determine scientifically whether or not closing caves helps to prevent WNS? Instead of closing all their caves on the basis of little more than speculation about how cavers might inadvertently spread WNS, why don't they randomly divide their caves into two groups, where one is an experimental group with caves closed to recreational caving and where the other is a control group with caves remaining open as usual? Then they could actually study whether or not closing caves has a statistically significant effect on the spread of WNS. Do you know of any examples where government bureaucrats have been doing this to study the effectiveness of cave closing? What, if any, other research techniques are they using to determine whether or not cave closing is effective in combating WNS? What, if any, research results are there to justify the prohibition of noncommercial caving while commercial show cave operations are allowed to carry on business as usual? Rod L. Rodney Goke, yet another Ph.D. (as if it matters here ;-) 5105 Dusty Trail Cove Austin, Texas 78749 (512) 892-4186 rod.g...@ieee.org mailto:rod.g...@ieee.org -Original Message- From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com Sent: Dec 10, 2010 8:12 AM To: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais Whaaat? Cloning? Test tube baby bats? Isn't this jumping the gun? Seriously, the most reasonable approach at this time is to document what is there. That way, we will have some clue as to what the impacts of WNS may be. These ARE proactive measures. best, Andy Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com From: freddie poer freddiepoe...@yahoo.com mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com To: Andy Gluesenkamp a...@gluesenkamp.com mailto:a...@gluesenkamp.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, December 9, 2010 6:09:54 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais Gee, Isn't it going to be hard to conduct these surveys if the caves are closed? Or, does this mean that the caves are closed to everyone except a few hand picked NPS personnel? This whole knee jerk close the caves reaction smells a little too much like the nobody should go caving except us syndrome that I have seen among certain cavers of the academic persuasion. Bill is obviously right in that nothing we do will alter what path WNS will take. It will not matter one whit whether all of us, or none of us, goes caving. WNS will complete it's own cycle. Why aren't we seeing some effort at proactive measures, like DNA preservation or maybe bat sperm and ova collection, instead of the putting out fires approach we are seeing now? --- On Thu, 12/9/10, Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com wrote: From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com mailto:andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais To: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com, Cavers Texas texascavers
Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais
�Hola! TL;DR: For 99.99% of the people, it still is. I spent some time in September in Mexico, for the 200th anniversary of the independence. Unfortunately, I had been following all the news about shootings, killings, etc, etc, in blogs that are dedicated to that. For the very first time, I felt uneasy while walking in the streets. The second day I really noticed it, and I started to wonder why. What happened that was making me feel that way? I thought about all the news that I had been reading almost exclusively, and how they had affected me. Then I just focused on the people around me. They were not looking left and right, waiting for stray bullets, or staying indoors because of fear. It was just another normal day: families out, enjoying time in the park while kids played football (soccer, of course) on the lawn, couples walking on the street, friends buying tacos on a street stand, deliveries being made, carts selling Mexican flags (for the independence day celebrations), etc. If all you read about a place is the equivalent of the Police newspaper section, you'll have a very different impression of it than the impression you would get by reading also the other sections of the newspaper. I'm listening now in the mornings (via internet) Mexican newscasts, so I hear about a recent event that was held to get donations for building hospitals and treatment centers for kids, about a golf tournament organized by Lorena Ochoa, about Telmex opening a high technology center where people can go and use super fast internet connections and the latest computers to do research, etc. I'm not trying to minimize the current situation in Mexico, I know (and everybody knows) that it's something serious and worrying. But I'll be going back to Mexico for Christmas and New Years soon, and you know? I can't wait! Take care, - Fofo On 10/12/10 13:20, mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote: Yeah, Other than drug cartels, beheadings, kidnappings, and random shootings, it�s a great place to go! Mark *From:*freddie poer [mailto:freddiepoe...@yahoo.com] *Sent:* Friday, December 10, 2010 2:19 PM *To:* Andy Gluesenkamp *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] El Malpais At least we still have Mexico. We can still safely go caving there without having to contend with cave gates and cave closures. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] prices
�Hola! And for conferences organized for industry groups, the prices are even worse, like for non-member advanced registration of $1300, increasing to $1450 (members having about a $400 discount). These are usually organized by specialized companies that handle everything -- and of course, they make a living out of it, but most people attending have their expenses paid by their companies. Take care, - Fofo On 30/11/10 12:23, Allan B. Cobb wrote: I'm attending the American Society of Hematology conference this weekend in Orlando, Florida. The conference is three and a half days. Members register for $450 and nonmembers pay $850. The conference has over 20,000 attendees from more than 80 countries. I'm sure the logistics are a nightmare. They usually have a dozen or so shuttle bus routes to hotels with 3 or 4 buses running each route from 6AM to 10PM. I really don't want to hear any complaints about the cost of TCR. Allan Sent from my iPhone - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] New species of cave fish found in Indonesia
�Hola! Here's an interesting note: http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1956760/new_species_of_blind_cave_fish_found_in_indonesia/ I hope everyone had a great time this past weekend and that you are back from your turkey-induced coma! - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Cave camping -- in luxury
Hi! This is perfect for those who would like to try cave camping, but with minimum discomfort: http://travel.nytimes.com/2010/11/21/travel/21basilicata-next.html - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Chilean Miner Rescue happening right now
Antonio AA wrote, on 12/10/10 22:13 : wonder if those eyes protection glasses, are Oakley ones? Well, they were! Here's a note from the NY Times: All the miners came out of the capsules in expensive dark glasses � donated by Oakley � to protect them from the sun, but the main health effect they all shared was very pale skin from being in the dark so long. Basically, the article was about how well the miners and authorities had coped with this: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/14/world/americas/14medical.html (I didn't know that some people even had they idea that the miners could be getting the bends when they surfaced) Take care, - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Chilean Miner Rescue happening right now
Hehe, yeah, heard about it, that soon after the accident both showed up to get information. I could see this guy yesterday before exiting the mine No, you guys go ahead, I still need to finish cleaning here. Actually, you know? My shift will start soon, so I might as well stay here and go straight to work. - Fofo mark.al...@l-3com.com wrote, on 14/10/10 10:38 : Did y'all hear about the miner who had both? His GF was there to greet him. His wife was nowhere in sight. You think he might want to climb back down that hole?! Yikes! Mark -Original Message- From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 12:30 PM To: Fofo Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Chilean Miner Rescue happening right now Most of them seemed to have pretty good looking wives girlfriends. More incentive to wait it out. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Chilean Miner Rescue happening right now
Antonio AA wrote, on 12/10/10 22:13 : wonder if those eyes protection glasses, are Oakley ones? They do look cool! And everyone has nice clean uniforms too. As the NY Times puts it, The operation has become a made-for-television event, with the Chilean government offering a free, live satellite feed of the rescue. And it is totally entrancing, captivating, mesmerizing, fascinating... (but I won't bore you with more words from the Thesaurus). And I'm really glad that so far the outcome has been so good. Take care, - Fofo - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Request from Xilitla for Bill Stone
�Hola! OK, I resent this (probably at about the same time as many others) to Bill and Vickie. Take care, - Fofo cavera...@aol.com wrote, on 8/10/10 12:35 : Transcription of a request from Boni Reynoso, Xilitla, Mexico, on Facebook: Boni: i'm bonifacio from xilitla in mexico, only for ask you about bill stone i havent the contact and i want aks him of the caving expedition on la trinidad cave results self: Hi Bonifacio. I don't have contact information for Mr. Stone, but I will post your request on the list for Texas cavers. Does he have your e-mail address? Boni: ok thanks, probably dont have my e-mail, bonif...@hotmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera
�Hola! I have the Pentax Optio, which has a slimmer profile and with a neoprene sleeve fits nicely under the coveralls, so you have quick access to it. It takes nice pictures in sunlight (but even cellphone cameras do that), but with dimmer lights it has a lot of noise. The camera does have an amazing macro, you can get almost to where you are touching the subject with the camera and it'll still focus. As a better overall waterproof camera I would go with the Canon D10 too. - Fofo Mark Minton wrote, on 1/9/10 20:42 : We've been using the Canon PowerShot D10 for about a year now, and it takes much better pictures than other point-and-shoot cameras I've seen. As Diana says, it's a bit thick, but that isn't generally a problem. The fact that the flash is recessed relative to the lens makes for fewer of those white circles due to dust or water droplets that plague similar cameras. It is quite robust and has held up well to caving with moderate care. Several of my friends have adopted it and seem to like it. I recommend it. Mark Minton On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I like my Canon Powershot D10, it takes fine photos for a point-and-shoot. The Canon Powershots tend to have nicer lenses than the Olympus waterproof point-and-shoot cameras. I've taken mine into Honey Creek and other water caves, the biggest problem is you need a way to clean the mud off the lens cover before taking a photo, and it's subject to lens fogging, but what waterproof camera isn't? This camera does not have a hotshoe mount, but you can still use external flashes with the camera timer. I carry it on my belt in a small soft bag that was designed for a GPS. The drawback of this model is it's not small and rectangular (it's quite thick due to the waterproof housing for the zoom lens), so there's no small, precisely sized Otter Box or Pelican Case for it. If I need to protect it from shock, I put it inside a Darren drum instead. Even the Olympus Tough Cameras will get damaged from a crushing blow; the LCD screens are often the weak point of the camera. Maybe you need to rethink how you carry your camera while in the cave. The Pentax Optio WP will fit nicely into a small Pelican case that can be clipped to a belt loop. Diana On Sep 1, 2010, at 6:14 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: while I do not own the olympus I've seen one in action, they're pretty decent but the picture quality leaves a lot to be desired.. its ok if you plan to upload your photos to facebook where you cant zoom at all, but once you zoom in 80% you'll see what Im talking about. Get the Cannon powershot D10, similar or better performance and better picture quality. Nico On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Sorry John, I beg to differ. On most cameras, the plastic body shatters into millions of tiny pieces after a 120 foot drop but the metal body of the Tough Camera just turns into a twisted mass. That equates to fewer parts to pick up. Allan - Original Message - From: John Greer To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera We have tested this, and they aren't worth anything at all. They come apart just like any other camera when you drop it down a 120' pit. And they have just as many parts to pick up. John Greer - Original Message - From: Robert B To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2010 4:21 PM Subject: [Texascavers] Opinions on Olympus Stylus Tough Camera After recently damaging beyond repair 2 digital cameras, I have been thinking of getting an Olympus Stylus Tough 8010. Would anybody care to share their opinions on this camera, or any of the Olympus Tough models. The price is noticeably higher for these durable shockproof waterproof models over the point and shoot models. Is this feature just sales BS, do they really hold up to abuse and is it worth the extra $$? Shockproof waterproof are one thing, but how about mud proof. Should I be concerned that mud may over time compromise the 'O' ring seals? Does the camera take decent photos? How about cave photos and flash? I know it's not an SLR, but I'm hoping that picture quality is not too compromised for durability. Thanks, Rob Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Off topic - Need advice re: Mexico City
�Hola! I'll reply off-list. - Fofo Sheryl Rieck wrote, on 11/8/10 6:13 : I would appreciate some opinions from you folks. I know it is really difficult to get cavers to express opinions, but I would appreciate it if you could try. J I got a call about a gig down in Mexico City. They are having trouble filling it. I am hesitant with all the problems they are having in the cities. Although, I lived in Houston for over 40 years, and I may be just buying into the whole media hysteria about Mexico. But, I wanted to be sure. We tend to avoid the cities when we go down there. Opinions? Anyone living in Mexico City? I know we have some folks on here who live in Mexico, but not sure where. Thanks! Sheryl - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
