[Texascavers] car inspection needed

[Mixon Bill]

I need mu car taken for inspection (Travis County, manual transmission). 
Phone (512) 288-4991.  -- Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] car needs inspection

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Galen --It is registered in Travis County. Hays County does not have the 
anti-pollution rules that Travis has, so Hays County inspectors might not be 
equipped to do that test.

Andy Gluesencamp (sp?) has said he'd phone me today about taking the car, but I 
haven't heard yet. -- Bill

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[Texascavers] car needs inspection

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My car (standard transmission) needs to be taken somewhere for inspection. Call 
me at
(512) 288-4991. -- Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Extreme Caving

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Thanks for the link, Mark. An excellent example of someone writing about 
something she knows nothing about and a web site that doesn't care. Caption 
about limestone raining from the sky is on photo of a sea cave in granite. -- 
Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] TSS monograph 3

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The reformatted version of TSS monograph 3, the Hypogene Karst of Texas, is now 
a free download on the TSS web site at 
https://www.texasspeleologicalsurvey.org/PDF/Hypogene_Karst_of_Texas.pdf

I have deleted the copy at tinyurl.com/nnn --Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] TSS monograph 3

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George -- I have privately contacted NCKRI and/or you several times about the 
formats of your PDF files, to no avail. I recognized the same problems with TSS 
Monograph 3. I should not have assumed that NCKRI was involved, but there was 
clearly a common element. See NCKRI symposia 2, 3, 4, and 6, for instance. -- 
Mixon

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[Texascavers] TSS monograph 3

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The Texas Speleological Survey has published its Monograph 3, Hypogene Karst of 
Texas, as a free PDF download. Unfortunately, NCKRI had a hand in its 
preparation. I have placed a revised PDF for a limited time at
tinyurl.com/y7baaxkp
It at least has the left-hand pages on the left, and if you ask Acrobat for 
page 100 you should get page 100, not page 92. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] reviewer for fish caves book

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Would someone like to write a review for the NSS News of Bill Elliott's "The 
Astyanax Caves of Mexico"? (See http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul26.html.)  A 
lot in it of interest to cavers, not just biologists. I can't do it myself 
because I did the layout of the book. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] UTGrotto

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I can't see the Texas Speleology Center (ex my house) accommodating the crowd 
that attends UT Grotto meetings. --  Mixon

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[Texascavers] Adams Cave

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That pesky apostrophe! Strictly speaking, if one wants the possessive form of 
the cave name, neither Adam's (puts it in the middle of the poor guy's name) 
nor Adams' (Adams is not plural) is correct. It should have been Adams's Cave. 
-- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Proof that the CIA was running drugs?

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Back in the ’70s (and even today) there were persistent
rumors that the CIA was secretly running drugs to
finance its operations. I think cavers may have played
into that perception, at least in the eyes of a couple of
American tourists. Here’s how.
In 1978 Tennessee caver Chris Kerr broke his leg in
Cueva del Brinco, part of Sistema Purificación in the
mountains northwest of Ciudad Victoria, Tamaulipas.
The relatively small crew on site was not sufficient to
mount a rescue, so cavers were called in from the US.
Austin got the call, and within twenty-four hours Terry
Sayther’s truck and eight cavers were ready to go. The
team consisted of Jerry Atkinson, Gill Ediger, Tracy
Johnson, Mark Minton, Terry Sayther, Bill Steele, Bill
Stone, and Terri Treacy. As anyone around in those times
could attest, we were a pretty hairy and wild-looking
bunch. Air transport had been arranged through the
National Cave Rescue Commission and US Air Force,
so we set out for Bergstrom Air Force Base, now the
Austin-Bergstrom International Airport. At the gate they
wanted to know who was in charge, and they seemed
both amused and concerned when we looked at each
other blankly and then said nobody. We all felt equally
competent and didn’t need a leader.
After some unavoidable delays, Sayther’s truck was
loaded into a C-130 military transport plane, along with
all of us and our supplies. We flew to Brownsville and,
after a brief delay spent in a holding pattern, received
clearance from Mexico to enter their airspace. There
was apparently an agreement concerning how many
US military aircraft could be in Mexican airspace at
one time, and that number were already there, so we
had to wait while one cleared out. We then flew to the
Victoria airport, which at the time did not have commercial
flights. The runway was somewhat short and
potholed. We made a pass or two so that the pilot could
assess the situation, after which he said he thought we
could make it. Gulp!
After a successful landing, the plane rolled to a stop
and the back hatch went down. Terry drove his truck
down the ramp and the rest of us got in. We pulled up
to the small airport office, where a Mexican government
representative handed us a sheaf of papers and
assured us that all of the immigration paperwork had
been taken care of and that we were good to go. We
signed nothing, but thanked him and headed off on
our quest. The C-130 took off and returned to Texas;
we would have to drive back.
Observing all of this was a couple of Americans who
had apparently recently arrived in a private plane. They
watched agape as a civilian Chevy Suburban full of
hippies that had just come off of a U. S. military plane
exchanged pleasantries with a Mexican official and
roared off into the sunset. No doubt they were sure they
had just witnessed first-hand that the US was involved
in some highly suspicious activities in Mexico.
—Mark Minton, Texas Caver, fourth quarter 2009.

Reprinted AMCS Activities Newsletter 38, 2015, page 88.

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[Texascavers] AMCS Bulletin 26, The Astyanax Caves of Mexico

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Peter -- I have added bulletin 26 to the AMCS web site. -- Bill

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[Texascavers] UT Grotto program?

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Will someone tell us what the program for the UT Grotto meeting Wednesday will 
be?--Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] 700 foot pit ?

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My guess is that David was conjecturing about a rappel down the wall of a 
caldera.

There are actually two real pits in Hawaii that are the two deepest pits in the 
US, per http://www.caverbob.com/pitdome.htm (If the NSS web site was working 
right, you could get to caverbob's long and deep lists by way of the Geology 
and Geography Section of the NSS.)

One water-filled pit has been plumbed to 865 feet. Not sure whether this was by 
an ROV or simply a weighted line.

One shaft, Na One, of 862 feet was actually descended by Don Coons. There was 
an article about it in the NSS News November 1995, pages 294-295 of a longer 
article. The NSS News material is not accessible to Google, so almost might as 
well not exist. A map of the pit appears in 
http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1278&context=ijs. -- 
Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Cacahuamilpa caves

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Something the AMCS published in 2002 said the Dos Bocas caves San Jerónimo and 
Choncolcoatlán should only be visited well into the dry season, February 
through April "and maybe May." April was unusually wet in Oaxaca this year. Two 
different major expeditions had people trapped in their caves by floods for two 
or three days. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] MNemo survey device?

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Justin -- Thanks. How did you find that link? -- Bill

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[Texascavers] MNemo survey device?

[Mixon Bill]

The latest Underwater Speleology, magazine of the NSS Cave Diving Section, has 
a photo of a diver using an NMemo surveying tool created by Sebastian Kister 
for cave-diving surveys. Anybody know anything about it? Google has lots of 
hits, but they are all either about a soccer player or an interactive game 
controller. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] AMCS call for material

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The machinery the AMCS had used for our email list has broken, and in view of 
the difficulties of maintaining such an ever-growing list and the numerous 
other social-media outlets now used by cavers, we've decided to just ask that 
this announcement, including this preamble, be forwarded or posted to other 
relevant places such as grotto and regional email lists, Facebook groups, and 
expedition rosters.

The Association for Mexican Cave Studies' annual magazine, the AMCS Activities 
Newsletter, seeks articles and news on any important cave explorations and 
discoveries in Mexico for issue 41, to appear in early summer. An article 
should include all available cave maps and a selection of photographs to be 
considered for color printing. There is no size limit; the record so far is 
37,000 words. Authors may provide a Spanish abstract, or one will be provided 
for them. News items to appear in the "Mexico News" section should be one or a 
few paragraphs and include relevant maps; they may include a photograph. 
Deadline for material for number 41 is May 15, 2018. Examples of recent issues 
may be seen as PDF files from http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html.

--Bill Mixon, edi...@mexicancaves.org

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Re: [Texascavers] Cavers

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My God! Old Man Wisdom has discovered color -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] 1307 1/2 Kirkwood

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Can anybody tell me what year the last cavers moved out of the house at 1307 
1/2 Kirkwood in Austin?
--Mixon

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[Texascavers] article on Texas gypsum karst

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http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/ -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Mystery Caver #6

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Jack Stellmack? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] giving away books

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As a first step in getting out of the way of the TCMA and the TSS that have 
bought my house, I will have open house Thursday of this week (the 10th and 
11th) from 6:30 to 10:00 p.m. for friends to come by and pick out any among the 
many non-caving books in the living room. I have already removed as many of 
them as I can accommodate here at retirement home. The books are free for the 
taking, but an opportunity will be present to donate some money to the TCMA or 
the TSS if desired. The address of the house is 14045 North Green Hills Loop, 
Austin, Texas 78737 (actually in northern Hays County).

The main categories are cartoon books and mass-market science-fiction 
paperbacks, but there are also a lot of math and computer books, old college 
textbooks, etc., probably amounting to four or five hundred in all.

I have transportation there and back, so the event will actually occur, 
contrary to some earlier notes. Please send this on to the UT Grotto Fcebook 
group, too. -- Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] my books

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Sean Vincent provided transportation for me last night to my house so people 
could come by and carry off non-caving books. About a dozen people did so.

So far I have no ride for tonight (Thursday), so the tentatively scheduled 
repeat open-house is cancelled. If you were counting on coming, you might phone 
this evening to double-check (512) 288-4991, or watch for later announcement 
here. 

Please post this info to the UT Grotto Facebook group, too. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mixon open house for books

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Transportation for tomorrow (Wednesday) night has been volunteered, so it will 
definitely happen. Stay tuned about Thursday. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Australian ICS documents

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Can someone give me PDFs (or access to them) of the program and abstracts and 
the proceedings of the International Congress in Australia last summer? I need 
to glean material from them for the coming AMCS Activities Newsletter 41. 
Whatever flaws held up release of these shouldn't affect what I  want to do. 
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[Texascavers] cave-diving discovery

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One of my favorite stories about the potential for cave-diving discoveries is 
the remipedes in an underwater cave in the Bahamas first seen by Jill Yager, 
who got to write a paper describing not only a new species, but a new genus, a 
new family, and a new class. She was a high-school biology teacher at the time. 
I asked her once why she skipped naming an order, but she didn't know. All 
living species are in the order Nectiopoda now. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] open house to give away _non-caving_ books

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As a first step in getting out of the way of the TCMA and the TSS that have 
bought my house, I will have open houses Wednesday and Thursday of this week 
(the 10th and 11th) from 6:30 to 10:30 p.m. for friends to come by and pick out 
any among the many non-caving books in the living room. I have already removed 
as many of them as I can accommodate here at retirement home. The books are 
free for the taking, but an opportunity will be present to donate some money to 
the TCMA or the TSS if desired. The address of the house is 14045 North Green 
Hills Loop, Austin, Texas 78737 (actually in northern Hays County).

The main categories are cartoon books and mass-market science-fiction 
paperbacks, but there are also a lot of math and computer books, old college 
textbooks, etc., probably amounting to four or five hundred in all.

I will need rides to and from my house those nights.

Someone please post this to the UT Grotto Facebook pages, too.

Bill Mixon
4409 Gaines Ranch Loop
Austin, Texas 78735
(512)288-4991 

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[Texascavers] where is Dpn Broussard?

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Don -- Where are you ? -- Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Doug Allen

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I'd seen Doug Allen fairly recently. Might have been at a UT Grotto 
meeting.--Mixon

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[Texascavers] Fwd: Weazelwise new post: Kanchanaburi: Part 2, Chaloem Rattanakosin National Park

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Forwarded by Mixon. The Weazel visits obscure caves in Thailand.

Begin forwarded message:

From: bmorgan...@aol.com
Subject: Weazelwise new post: Kanchanaburi: Part 2, Chaloem Rattanakosin 
National Park
Date: October 28, 2017 at 12:57:43 PM CDT
To: bmorgan...@aol.com

Enough of Nazis!

Let's return to the Land of Smiles, a place where tolerance is the norm, and 
the milk of human kindness flows like a river.

http://weazelwise.com/2017/10/28/kanchanaburi-part-2-chaloem-rattanakosin-national-park/
 


Herein the Weazel wanders lost in the Thai countryside while being subjected to 
random acts of unprovoked kindness.

At his remote destination the Weazel discovers a wild pack of giggling Lady 
boys, a gigantic cave, the confluence of two religions, and a lost Burmese 
village.

A pox upon any of you who attempt to view my photos of the gigantic cave on a 
dumb phone. An IMAX screen would barely do it justice!

Sleazel


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Re: [Texascavers] and convention guidebook

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Dwight -- I'm really seeking a PDF file, not a paper copy. I'm sure one will 
eventually turn up. The 2016 is already on the NSS web site. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] and convention guidebook

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Also the guidebook for the 2017 NSS convention. I hear that they ran out of 
printed copies during the convention, so a PDF should certainly be available, 
but it hasn't found its way onto the NSS web site yet. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] ICS 17 pubs?

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I'd like to borrow copies, preferably digital of course, of publications of the 
recent ICS in Australia. I have the detailed program, but there should also be

A program book with abstracts

A guidebook

There were two talks on Mexico in the schedule; the AMCS will want to publish 
at least the abstracts in next year's Activities Newsletter. 

I will not be at TCR. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] book review: Cuba

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Cuevas de Sancti Spiritus, Matanzas y Pinar del Rio, Cuba / Caves of Sancti 
Spiritus, Matanzas and Pinar del Rio, Cuba.Edited by Joel Despain. Caliza 
Media, Bella Vista, California, 2016. A4 (8.27 by 11.69 inches). PDF file from 
www.calizamedia.net/products. Full version 323 pages, about 100 MB, $15. Short 
version 126 pages, $7.

Prepared by the Sama Caving Group of the Cuban Speleological Society, the 
Antonio Núñez Jiménez Foundation for Man and Nature, and the Project for Cuban 
Cave Studies of the National Speleological Society, this bilingual report is an 
important and impressive production. A paper version is foreseen, but not yet 
available.

Following introductions in English and Spanish, including conservation and 
safety messages, Part 1 contains reports on caving expeditions to Cuba, mostly 
reprinted from articles that appeared in the NSS News and only one in both 
Spanish and English. I have not seen the short version, but these parts, 
through page 115, appear to be its content. Part 2 contains technical articles 
on cave biology, seven in Spanish only and four bilingual. Part 3 covers 
geology and paleontology, with three articles each in English and bilingual and 
a number of cave maps. Part 4 contains eleven detailed maps on oversize sheets 
of caves surveyed by the project.

The text could have used a good editing, and the layout, while well designed, 
was somewhat carelessly done. The main problem with the PDF is that each page 
of the file contains both halves of a two-page spread in the book, a terrible 
idea that not only makes it impossible to ask a PDF reader to jump to a page by 
its number in the book, but also leads to more zooming and scrolling than 
should have been necessary when reading it, even on a large computer monitor.

That said, the zooming and scrolling are worth it because of the photographs 
throughout the book. The full version is advertised as having 159 large photos, 
and I count 91 of them printed full-page without margins. A huge plus are the 
92 photos by Kevin Downey, who has been one of the best American cave 
photographers for many years but whose work hardly ever appears in print. Get 
the full version just for that.—Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] books for eBay to benefit TCMA?

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I have hundreds of _non-caving_ books to get rid of. Most of them will end up 
offered free to friends at one or more open-houses, with those remaining 
donated to the Austin Public Library and its Recycled Reads store. But there 
are a number of items or collections of items that I imagine might be 
interesting enough to draw not entirely trivial bids on eBay. If there is a 
Texas caver familiar with eBay and willing to consider dealing with auctioning 
some of them to benefit the Texas Cave Management Association, contact me. I'd 
be happy to go to my house with you to assess possibilities. If from another 
city, you could carry them away to there.

One of particular interest would be a like-new (except for my book plates) copy 
of the eleventh edition of the Encyclopedia Brittanica (1911), considered a 
classic of English literature. Copies at used-book web site Abe Books 
(https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?bsi=30&n=100121503&sortby=17&tn=Encyclopedia+Brittanica&prevpage=1)
 are for sale at $450 and up. Because this would be difficult to pack and ship, 
it might be best to try Craig's List for local buyers in one or more areas.-- 
Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] Periscope videos of UT Grotto programs

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There have been a number of UT Grotto programs on Mexican caving expeditions 
Periscoped that the Association for Mexican Cave Studies would like to have its 
own copies of. Isn't there some nerd out there who can figure out how to 
download copies in some standard format like .mp4? I haven't even managed to 
view them on my computer.--Mixon

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[Texascavers] new deep cave

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> Russians just took another cave over 2,000m depth:   below is the notice I 
> received this
> morning (after translation). 
> 
> Stone [copied by Mixon]
> 
> =
> 
> 
> "The cave named after Verevkin is 2151 m deep!
> In the period from July 30 to August 14 (the deadline for underground work), 
> another expedition of the speleoclub Perovo took place in the cave named 
> after Verevkin. As a result of the expedition, the depth of the cave 
> increased to 2151 m. Thus, the cave became the second super deep (over 2000 
> m) in the world. "
> 
> 
> Congratulations to the speleoclub Perovo! Krosavchegi!)) After years of hard 
> work they did it! Foreign speleologists bite their elbows - already the 4 
> deepest caves in the world are on the territory of Abkhazia, and only 
> Russians and Ukrainians have set records in recent years. Hooray!)
> P.S. To the world record (-2196 m) is very little. And if you consider that 
> now the second group of Perovians is starting to work in Verevkin, there are 
> chances to do it in the coming days! To understand what hellish work it was 
> achieved - here are the cool films made by speleologists about the cave of 
> Verevkin in the expeditions of 2004 and February 2017:
> Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz1_mEZ299Y
> Https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjgY536DxCo
> 
> 
> "... The lower point is currently in the system of subhorizontal spacious 
> courses in the zone from -2100 m to-2150 m, this is a mirror of one of the 
> siphons .The absolute elevation is 129 m above sea level .According to the 
> main watercourse, it is possible to reach unflooded areas deeper than this 
> For this expedition, there was a shortage of working time, stopped at -2129 m 
> before the next ledge (8 m).
> To the previously known three siphons in the cave was added 4 more. One of 
> them is located on the main watercourse (-1963 m), its bypass was found. 
> Three more - in the subhorizontal system below -2100 m: mirrors at 2115 m, 
> 2140 m and 2151 m. All of them are spacious, the dimensions of the course are 
> more than 4 m, standing water.
> In addition, during the expedition the telephone communication was organized 
> from -600 m to -1350 m, work was carried out on the passage of the upper 
> entrances to Vimevkin. In addition to the existing ones, PBL 1900 was 
> installed ... "Nowadays there has begun to work Perovo-speleo, maybe they 
> will dive.

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[Texascavers] UT Grotto programs

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The Association for Mexican Cave Studies would like copies of its own (e.g., 
.mp4 files) of the fairly numerous UT Grotto programs on Mexican caves that 
have been Periscoped. I know in theory they will be available there for anyone 
who wants to figure out yet another web site probably designed no better than 
most, but I'll feel a lot more secure with copies in the AMCS's own archives, 
especially if they eventually get put on the AMCS web site 
(www.mexicancaves.org). Links to external sites tend to break.

If someone knows how to capture videos from Periscope, please do so for us. We 
already have .mp4, .ts,  and .mov files of talk at UT Grotto meeting August 3, 
2016, by Fernando Hernandez about his trip to 2016 expedition of Proyecto 
Espeleológica Sistema Huautla (PESH), originally recorded on Periscope, about 
45 minutes. I think that came, in one of those forms, from Diana Tomchick. 
Thanks.
-- Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] sorry about "reply"

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Sorry about yet another "reply" to list meant t obe private. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] seeking Bill Stone

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Nancy -- I don't think Stone sees Texas Cavers list. 
billst...@stoneaerospace.com. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Folks, Here is an excellent article on Norm Pace, Caver Extraordinaire and microbiologist.

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Thanks, Geary -- I caved some with Norm Pace c. 1968, when he was a grad 
student at the Univ. of Illinois. I saw him only rarely after he moved to 
Colorado. The attached diagram shows where the modern data from genetic 
analysis leaves animals in the overall scheme of things. -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] caves of Meghalaya, India

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My 2014 review of a book on the caves of Meghalaya. Know of no other source of 
this book, and as far as I know vol 2 has not appeared. Before ordering, would 
be worth making sure it is still available. (Part of v 2 may be available from
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/303996206_Cave_Pearls_of_Meghalaya_Vol_2_North_Shnongrim_and_the_Liat_Prah_Cave_System
if you are a member of researchgate.)

Cave Pearls of Meghalaya: A Cave Inventory Covering the Jaintia Hills, 
Meghalaya, India. Volume 1, Pala Range and Kopili Valley. Edited by Thomas 
Arbenz. By the editor, Matzendorf, Switzerland; 2012. ISBN 978-3-033-03637-6. 
A4 (approx. US letter) size, 265 pages hardbound, plus disk. $45. Order for $70 
postpaid via PayPal to tho...@arbenz.ch.

Meghalaya, an Indian state sandwiched between Assam to the north and Bangladesh 
to the south, is the wettest place on earth. Two towns in its karst receive 
over ten meters of monsoon rains every year. Rain makes caves. Until the early 
1990s, only a couple of caves more than a kilometer long were known in India. 
Then various foreign cavers, mainly from Europe, and the Meghalaya Adventurers 
Association formed the Caving in the Abode of the Clouds Project and started 
systematically exploring and surveying caves in Meghalaya. In 2006, their 
interest was drawn to the Pala range of hills, where a village headman claimed 
that Krem Tyngheng was 20 kilometers long. Another local, whose wide knowledge 
of the area was perhaps due to his having wives in seven villages, claimed that 
the cave ran all the way through the hills. It turned out that they were both 
absolutely right.

This book, edited and largely written by Swiss caver Thomas Arbenz, chief 
cartographer for the project since 2002, is another of those beautifully 
produced and lavishly illustrated reports that seem to come almost exclusively 
from Europe. Following an overview of the geology and geography of the area, 
there are chapters on the expeditions of 2010, 2011, and 2012, which focused 
entirely on the area covered by this book, followed by three chapters on the 
cave biology of the area. Is there a shorter binomial in all of biology than 
the bat Ia io? Then the "inventory" starts on page 108. All the large and small 
caves are described, with the longest section, 28 pages, on the 21.25-kilometer 
Tyngheng–Dieng Jem System. There are regional line plots of the caves 
superimposed on aerial images, as well as nicely drawn detailed maps of all but 
the least significant caves. Just a couple of the maps include profiles; these 
are horizontal river caves, explored, needless to say, during the dry season. 
Only samples of the maps are printed for the longest caves, with six full maps 
as PDF files on the disk inside the back cover. The PDFs can be a bit difficult 
to navigate on screen, because they have to be viewed at nearly actual size to 
see the rich detail and they are up to about 100 inches square. But they're 
still a lot better than an 88-square-foot paper map, if such a thing could even 
be made.

A bit pricey by the time the heavy book is mailed from Switzerland, but a model 
project report and valuable reference. Buy it so that Arbenz can afford to 
publish volume 2.—Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] AMCS Activities Newsletter

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Jim -- Thanks for putting the stuff about ordering on cavers' list. Do you have 
an amount of postage for that copy to Pierre Strinati in Switzerland? I can get 
book dealer Tony Oldham in Wales, with whom Strinati maintains an account, to 
reimburse us via PayPal. -- Bill

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Re: [Texascavers] caving historical date trivia

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>From memory--haven't gone back to check source--probably one of Casteret's 
>books.

Here's a _real_ trivia question: Lascaux, the most famous paleolithic art cave, 
was supposedly discovered when a dog was chasing something that ran into the 
small natural entrance. What was the _name of the dog_? -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Underground chamber world’s fourth largest - La Muñeca Fea in Puebla, Mexico :

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There is an article on scanning that room in the new AMCS Activities Newsletter 
40, and there will be another one in number 41 next year (advertisement). 396 
meters long, 242 m wide, and 225 m high. Volume 5.9 million cubic meters. -- 
Mixon

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[Texascavers] UT Grotto programs

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_Excellent_ talk by Bill Stone at UT Grotto meeting last night on the 2017 
Cueva Cheve (and, as it turned out, Jupiter or CL6) expedition. It was not 
Periscoped. Did anybody record it?

The Association for Mexican Cave Studies would like copies of its own (e.g., 
.mp4 files) of the fairly numerous UT Grotto programs on Mexican caves that 
have been Periscoped. I know in theory they will be available there for anyone 
who wants to figure out yet another web site probably designed no better than 
most, but I'll feel a lot more secure with copies in the AMCS's own archives, 
especially if they eventually get put on the AMCS web site 
(www.mexicancaves.org). Links to external sites tend to break.

If someone knows how to capture videos from Periscope, please do so for us. We 
already have .mp4, .ts,  and .mov files of talk at UT Grotto meeting August 3, 
2016, by Fernando Hernandez about his trip to 2016 expedition of Proyecto 
Espeleológica Sistema Huautla (PESH), originally recorded on Periscope, about 
45 minutes. I think that came, in one of those forms, from Diana Tomchick. 
Thanks.
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[Texascavers] Avery Ranch Cave brochure

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NSS member Gary Soule of Wisconsin collects show-cave memorabilia and thinks he 
had heard about a printed brochure on Avery Ranch Cave. Anybody know about such 
a thing? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] 12 Miles review

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I have received paper copy of the 12 Miles from Daylight book. Turns out that 
the PDF I had received was not in fact the final one, and the index is not 
sorted according to people's last names, which would have been really weird. -- 
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[Texascavers] book review: Twelve Miles from Daylight

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"Twelve Miles from Daylight: Fort Stanton Cave and the Snowy River Discovery." 
Edited by Pete Lindsley and Lee Skinner. Fort Stanton Cave Study Project, 
Placitas, New Mexico. ISBN 978-0-939748-83-9. 9 by 12 inches, softbound, vi+306 
pages+foldout. $54.95.

For too many years, Fort Stanton Cave has been in the shadow of New Mexico’s 
Lechuguilla Cave, the subject of several books, one published in three 
languages and one a trilogy of e-books. This new large-format book should go 
far to redress that. Since the 1950s, organized cavers have extended the cave 
to over thirty-one miles of passage, including the amazing Snowy River Passage 
that runs eleven miles north-south and gives the overall line-plot on a topo 
map an extent that appears to dwarf famous caves that are in fact longer. There 
are color photographs on most pages, including over thirty full-page ones. 
Simple maps of parts of the cave clarify the geography. While there is a lot of 
other information, the bulk of the text consists of trip reports by a large 
number of authors, which should enhance its appeal to cavers.

There have been significant delays in exploration caused by a persnickety owner 
for such things as environmental assessments, but overall the BLM seems to have 
been reasonably accommodating. In the early years, efforts focussed on long and 
arduous digs in the old part of the cave that resulted in its considerable 
expansion. Things changed dramatically on September 1, 2001, when a dig led to 
the discovery of the Snowy River Passage, largely walking and in places 
providing plenty of obvious good leads. The passage gets its name from the 
layer of white calcite that coats the floor of the stream bed for its entire 
length. The passage proved not all that easy to follow. To avoid soiling the 
Snowy River, parties had to change from dirty to clean clothes every time they 
had been forced to walk on mud banks or breakdown by some obstruction, and 
eventually even small, fast parties of young and fit cavers were making “day 
trips” over thirty hours long; sometimes they returned with over a mile of new 
survey. The project was eventually given permission to establish a campsite 
near the far end of exploration, but it has been used only twice.

Perhaps the most impressive single accomplishment in the book is the digging 
and shoring of a new and safer access shaft to the Snowy River. This is over 
forty feet deep, and 222 cavers are credited in an appendix with helping in the 
effort.

The several people credited with checking and proofreading have done a good 
job, and the text is clear and mostly free of errors. The layout is garish and 
ignores some common standards. The reader will have to dodge the numerous and 
often lengthy sidebars in some of the early chapters, but later chapters are 
better organized. Don’t ignore the sidebars, though. They contain a lot of 
historical information, impressions and reports by many cavers, and science 
notes. The most important event in the entire book, the discovery of the Snowy 
River Passage, is buried in a sidebar at the end of chapter 6. The photographs 
are well selected and well prepared, although I wonder whether some of the 
colors are not exaggerated. Appendices include a glossary and an index that is 
thorough but lists people by their first names.

As this is written, based on a final PDF of the book provided by Pete Lindsley, 
the cave has been closed by the BLM because of white-nose syndrome, and anyway 
travel in the Snowy River passage has been forbidden for the past couple of 
years because the steam is flowing and it is feared that the calcite floor will 
be too delicate when wet. It is not yet clear how much of the time the stream 
flows; this is not the first time that has been seen. The government also 
doesn’t want cavers to push beyond its property lines. I kind of hope they have 
and are just not talking about it. In any case, we’re sure to eventually hear a 
lot more about this spectacular cave. Meanwhile, buy this book.
--Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] article on evaporite karst in Texas

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http://scholarcommons.usf.edu/ijs/vol46/iss2/4/  -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] AMCS publication

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Feel free to forward to other people or lists:

The Association for Mexican Cave Studies announces the publication of AMCS 
Activities Newsletter 40, May 2017. Price is $12, See details at 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/40.htm or the full catalog of issues at 
http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/cat.html

We also have a limited number of Cuevas y Cavidades Subterraneas en la Zona 
Media de San Luis Potosí, by Juan Cancino Zapata with Sergio Sanchez-Armass 
Acuña and Jesus Enriquez Rodriguez, 2017. Published by the Asociación Potosina 
de Montañismo y Speleología, it is 166 pages, with many cave descriptions with 
locations and many photos, but only a few cave maps. $15 from AMCS.

Payment options include PayPal to sa...@mexicancaves.org or check to PO Box 
7672, Austin, Texas 78713. P&H for mail orders is $4 first book to US 
address,$1 each additional; foreign orders inquire of sa...@mexicancaves.org. 
See http://www.mexicancaves.org/finance/order.html

Both of those books should be available in consignment sales (the Caver Co-op) 
at the NSS convention June 19-23.
--Bill Mixon, AMCS editor


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Re: [Texascavers] [SWR CAVERS] Coordinated hunting of bats among snakes

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John Cooper's memoir as a cave biologist has recently been published by the 
NSS. See ad is March NSS News. Its title is "The Cave of the Boa Constrictors." 
It begins with several chapters on Coop's visit to Cuba many years ago, 
including a photo of boa constrictors in that cave on p. 65. A good read, 
although you'll learn a lot more about the crayfish in Shelta Cave than you 
wanted to know. (I did some editing and the design and layout of the book.)  -- 
Mixon

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[Texascavers] Oztotl

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See the "Oztotl page" at https://cavetexas.org/mexico/oztotl.html. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] AMCS magazine material

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A reminder:

Material is sought for AMCS Activities Newsletter 40, to be published in June. 
Feature articles of any  length about explorations or studies in Mexican caves 
may include color photographs and  should include all available maps. Photo 
files should be 1200 pixels high or wide. Excellent photographs for front and 
back covers are also needed, at least 3000 pixels high.

Shorter contributions of information for the "Mexico News" section are also 
welcome. They are typically one to a few paragraphs and may include a photo or 
maps. Progress reports from ongoing expeditions are particularly sought.

The deadline of May 1 will be fairly strictly enforced, especially for 
articles, because of the early date of the NSS convention this year.

Send files to editor Bill Mixon, edi...@mexicancaves.org or 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

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Re: [Texascavers] Fw: confirm f39a4430a4ffda5599000ba83bae9be3cd88f4cd

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Re: [Texascavers] Uvalde Obit

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That's not an obituary. Maybe somebody who knew Bob as a caver could write 
something for us. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Bill Mixon

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Greg -- Should fill you in. I've had a string of health problems and have moved 
to an "independent living" retirement home. Fundamental problem is myathenia 
gravis; others are probably side-effects of steroid drug for it. Still doing 
arm-chair caving for the AMCS and NSS. I am facing a considerable 
deaccessioning problem with my library.

Have you heard about the wonderful one-hoss shay
That was built in such a logical way
That it ran for a hundred years to the day
Then went to pieces, all at once and nothing first
Like a bubble when it's burst

That's me. -- Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] Castleguard film

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Sid Perou's famous 1973 50-minute film on Castleguard Cave in the Canadian 
Rockies is on YouTube at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Lpa7I1SNu0
In the years after it was produced it was never available for things like 
grotto meetings because of rights problems (which probably technically still 
exist).

Sid was the greatest cave cinematographer in those days. YouTube will steer you 
to many other of his films. Frank Binney was the location sound person during 
the filming, but much of the sound had to be redone in production--something 
about release in both English and French, perhaps, Canada being Canada. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] AMCS material sought

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Material is sought for AMCS Activities Newsletter 40, to be published in June. 
Feature articles of any  length about explorations or studies in Mexican caves 
may include color photographs and  should include all available maps. Photo 
files should be 1200 pixels high or wide. Excellent photographs for front and 
back covers are also needed, at least 3000 pixels high.

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welcome. They are typically one to a few paragraphs and may include a photo or 
maps. Progress reports from ongoing expeditions are particularly sought.

The deadline of May 1 will be fairly strictly enforced, especially for 
articles, because of the early date of the NSS convention this year.

Send files to editor Bill Mixon, edi...@mexicancaves.org or 
bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu.

Feel free to forward this to other groups or interested people. -- Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] mistaken send

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The UT Grotto "phone list" contains over 90 NSS numbers. This list is not 
really a membership list, but a contact list. Hard to prune it because we don't 
require dues payment, and anyway we want everybody on it we might see at a 
party. I suspect that some of those are not currently really NSS members. Would 
not be hard to check, because the NSS members manual (membership list) is 
sorted by states. (My copy of that has not yet come to current digs.) Or 
there's the Member Search page on the NSS web site (Member Portal->Member 
Central->Member Search); just type an NSS number, click submit.

Before my recent medical adventures, I was taking NSS brochures to every UT 
Grotto meeting, but most new people probably didn't see them at the back of the 
room. But at least that was something.
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[Texascavers] mistaken send

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Sorry, trapped by that "reply to" again. But message to "Alex (only)" no 
secret. NSS membership continues to decline. I'm told, though, that other 
outdoor groups are doing even worse. Apparently Facebook and its ilk are more 
alluring than the real world.--Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS News

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Alex (only) -- The Cave Diving Section just changed its rules so that NSS 
membership not required. We'll take a big hit from that. Presumably that means 
they'll have to go back to doing their own membership records.

We need to watch out for the 10% limit on Fellows. In late 2015 we had 850 
Fellows, but the net increase seemed to be fewer than 10 a year, as older 
Fellows died or dropped out. Still, 850/9000... -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] NSS download speed

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Charles (only)-- Thanks. I now get ~2MB/sec from NSS, which is good enough. 
Time-Warner's (Spectrum's) own speed test gives me 70 Mb/sec download and 10 
Mb/sec upload. My current Wi-Fi router is using 5G, whatever that means, but 
the large number of other Wi-Fi hubs in the area may be cluttering the 
airwaves, or anyway there are lots of places between me and the NSS that can be 
slowing things down.

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[Texascavers] NSS download speed

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Apologies to Alex and the rest of the NSS web team. When I criticized the speed 
of the NSS server, I wasn't aware that I had not completely revised my Internet 
access to my new place, and it had defaulted to a slower Wi-Fi when I restarted 
computer. Still, there is some hangup somewhere between me and Atlanta, but at 
least I am now getting average 2MB/sec from NSS. (I hope that's megabytes, not 
megabits--nobody ever says.)

At this apartment, my computer finds a choice of twenty-five Wi-Fi choices, but 
all of them are password-protected, of course. At my house, I couldn't pick up 
any but my own. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] lidar in caves

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The March NSS News, now newly available to NSS members at caves.org, has an 
article about using conventional LIDAR data to survey a cave. A considerably 
easier way to do that is described in an article in the Journal of Cave and 
Karst Studies at 
https://caves.org/pub/journal/PDF/v76/cave-76-03-191.pdf .
However, the article is from Australia, and I don't know that the equipment or 
software are available in the US. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] geophysical methods ans Edwards Aquifer

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The NSS web site has a new webinar titled "Geophysical applications to the 
karst of the Edwards Aquifer, Texas" at
http://caves.org/webinars/index-6.shtml#Geo (to view)
http://caves.org/webinars/Geophysical_Applications-1.mp4 (download 275 MB--will 
take a while; NSS has a slow server)

It is by Mustafa Saribudak and a hour and a half long. I haven't watched it. -- 
Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mixon progress report

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Today (Friday) I am moving from physical therapy place following 
hospitalization with pneumonia to apartment 328 at Brookdale Gaines Ranch, 4409 
Gaines Ranch Loop, Austin 78735. I did not encourage visitors here at therapy, 
but visitors will be welcome at the apartment. Visitors are liable to be 
recruited to help me unpack boxes of books or run errands, though. Be sure to 
phone (512) 288-4991 too check I'll be there; I have a backlog of things like 
doctors appointments.

I will be disconnecting computer shortly, but should be back up and on Internet 
by Saturday afternoon.

Jocie Hooper has been very helpful bringing me things and getting me the 
four-wheel walker that I need to get around. Logan McNatt helped move my 
computer, here and Pete Strickland, long with Jocie, is going to help me move 
today. -- Bill Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Naica Cave

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A link to _free_ article about the old bacteria that was posted last week:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/02/crystal-caves-mine-microbes-mexico-boston-aaas-aliens-science/
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[Texascavers] TCR meals

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I was struck by one sentence in a recent posting: "I always think three meats 
and as many salad and veggies." In my view, that is a mistake, one often made 
by caterers at NSS conventions, too. It slows down the line. Having waited for 
a long time in line, people are understandably interested in sampling a little 
of everything, which of course makes the line move more slowly--a vicious 
circle. The only advantage I can see in multiple, redundant dishes at TCR is 
that each cook might have to prepare a smaller quantity of his dish. But it is 
important when there is a line to encourage people to grab some food quickly 
and get the hell out of the way. 

I admit I'm not a foodie and wouldn't be interested under any circumstances in 
some of the dishes some proud cook might have come up with--calamari, yuck. I 
usually pick three things from the line and a desert.

I think the caver-catered supper Saturday at TCR is a great tradition. Looks to 
me like enough helpers appear out of the woods, but I don't envy the person 
responsible for coordinating it. Many thanks to Steph; hadn't realized how long 
he'd been doing it--and of course to Charlie and the gang before that.
--Mixon

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[Texascavers] And why is Zacaton so deep?

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> And why is Zacaton so deep? ... is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell?


Yes, more or less. Mainly, CO2 and H2S, though.

http://www.mexicancaves.org/bul/bul21.pdf -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Barton Springs abstract

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Abstract from Karst Groundwater Contamination and Public Health, Abstracts and 
Field Trip Guidebook for the Symposium Held January 27 through 30, 2016, San 
Juan, Puerto Rico. Karst Waters Institute Special Publication 19, p 49. The 
volume as a free PDF is at 
http://karstwaters.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/SP19_Final-reduced.pdf 

Not exactly new information.-- Mixon

> RECHARGE AND WATER-QUALITY CONT ROL S FOR A KARST
> AQUI FER IN CENT RAL TEXAS
> Brian A. Smith* and Brian B. Hunt
> Barton Springs/Edwards Aquifer Conservation District, 1124 Regal Row, Austin, 
> TX 78748 USA
> *bri...@bseacd.org
> The Edwards Aquifer is a prolific karst aquifer system in central Texas that 
> provides drinking water to about 2 million
> people. The presence of nonpoint source pollution in storm water flowing in 
> Onion Creek can have a direct impact on
> water quality in the Barton Springs segment of the Edwards Aquifer. To 
> address this concern, the Barton Springs/Edwards
> Aquifer Conservation District constructed a concrete vault over the entrance 
> to Antioch Cave in the bed of Onion Creek
> in 1997. This structure was designed to prevent entry into the cave of 
> contaminated storm water by closure of two valves on
> the vault during storm events. In 2009, an automated system was installed to 
> improve the efficiency of the system by closing
> the valves at the beginning of a storm pulse and opening the valves when the 
> turbidity of the storm water drops below a certain
> threshold. Results of water-quality sampling at Antioch indicate that the 
> system is capable of significant reduction of nonpoint
> source pollution entering the aquifer through Antioch Cave. Over a period in 
> 2010 that included five storm events, approximately
> 2,436 lbs of nitrogen from nitrate/nitrite, 295 lbs of total phosphorus, and 
> 190,480 lbs of sediment were prevented from
> entering Antioch Cave. Dye-trace studies have shown that water entering 
> Antioch Cave can reach Barton Springs in about 5 to 7
> days. A set of monitor wells near Antioch Cave are used to monitor the 
> potential for movement of contaminants in the aquifer.

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Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico

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From Association for Mexican Cave Studies Newsletter vol 4, pp. 55-56 report on 
trip by a number of French cavers led by Bill Russell (OCR of scan will have 
errors):

> Le 10 au soir, nous etablissons Ie campement
> pres du Rio de Jaumave dans la Sierra de Tamaulipas. Le 11 est notre premiere 
> journee d'exploration
> au Mexique. Du Rancho Picacho aenviron 30 km de Ciudad Victoria, un berger 
> nous
> guide dans la canon de Fraile. Deux petites grottes sont explorees et 
> topographiees: la Cueva
> de Fraile et la Cueva del Canon de Fraile. Dans la soir~e, reconnaissance des 
> S6tanos de Altes
> Cumbres pres de la highway a 25 km de Ciudad Victoria. Le lendemain, un 
> groupe continue
> l'exploration et la topographie des S6tanos de Altes Cumbres nO 1 et nO 2. Un 
> autre groupe
> reconnait dans la Sierra, a une heure de marche du Rancho Picacho des 
> gouffres sans importance.
> Dans la soiree, une pointe rapide est effectuee a Hoya Verde, a 9 km de la 
> highway.

There is a map of a cave at http://www.mexicancaves.org/maps/0327.pdf.

I found that text by looking at the index to the volume on the AMCS web site at 
mexicancaves.org. Get familiar with the resources there. -- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico

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That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old 
caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) 
make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to 
have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] A new children's book: A Dark, Dark Cave :

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I looked at the link to that book, and it turns out that the kids were just 
imagining a cave while playing in a "cave" they made by draping cloth over 
furniture in their living room. Still, I guess maybe it's cave-related. Jerry's 
e-mail quotes the publisher's blurb.-- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Krubera

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If anybody can figure out how to get in touch with that Hungarian mathematician 
Gergely Ambus who took those pix in Krubera, you might suggest he look at 
article Hydroleveling of Very Deep Caves, with an Example from Voronja 
(Krubera) Cave.
Alexander Degtjarev, Eugene Snetkov, and Alexey Gurjanov
AMCS Activities Newsletter 29, 2006, which is pretty mathy in nature, I had to 
do an whole lot of work to put it in shape to be published, including fixing 
some errors. I still don't entirely vouch for its content.

It is at http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/29.pdf, pp. 85-92. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Krubera Cave

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There was an article on a trip to that Krubera, deepest cave in  the world in 
Georgia (or, as our new tweeter in chief would probably say, Abkhasia), by 
Mexican caver Gustavo Vela, whom many of you know, in AMCS Activities 
Newsletter 31, 2008, available as free PDF at
http://www.mexicancaves.org/nl/31.pdf

At the time, he was  the only caver from the Western Hemisphere to have been 
2000 meters deep in a cave. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] websites?

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I know that David McKenzie was working on moving the TSS, at least, web site to 
a new service. We talked about his problems with that when he was driving me to 
appointments or the HEB back in late summer/early fall. I know nothing about 
the current status of that project. At the time he was still mainly researching 
the options. Apparently the process was not trivial, as the TSS site uses 
various complicated host facilities, not just simply barfing up HTML or PDF 
pages. Another example of David's extensive support for computers and caving. 
-- Mixon

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[Texascavers] spectacular video of Hang Son Doong in Vietnam

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Impressive atmospheric video by Ryan Debroodt of the main entrance and the two 
collapse dolines 2.5 and 3.5 km into the cave. About 6 minutes, much evidently 
shot from a drone.
http://cavesaustralia.com/2015/zooming-through-hang-son-doong/

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[Texascavers] cave property in Indiana

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That cave property is right near where I first started caving. My first cave 
(except maybe show caves as a child) was Leonard Spring Cave. Leonard Spring 
Road is near Eller Cave, and Buckner Cave, which has been donated to the NSS by 
Richard Blenz and is now on the Richard Blenz Nature Preserve owned by the NSS 
but managed by the Richard Blenz Nature Conservancy, is nearby, too. Buckner is 
the most significant cave in the area--www.bucknercave.org. Buckner was 
severely trashed with graffiti due to a near-total lack of any access control 
for many years, despite the fact that Dick Blenz lived on the property, but it 
has been cleaned up to a large extent. There are a number of other smaller 
caves in the vicinity, some of which I helped dig open back in the day. Don't 
recall whether I was ever in Eller Cave or not.

Note that building on the property that is for sale is not allowed--evidently 
some sort of conservation easement. On the other hand, it is only ~$2k per 
acre. That price might get you an acre of the bottom of Lake Travis around 
here. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] NSS headquarters mortgage progress

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In conversation during the past NSS convention, I was told that a large bequest 
($500K) from Roger Sperka and an anonymous donation of $400K has very 
substantially reduced the balance the NSS still has to raise to pay off the 
mortgage on the NSS headquarters in Huntspatch. A very brief mention of such 
progress, without any details, was made during the banquet by the president. I 
would have expected much hoopla about this by now in the NSS News or elsewhere, 
but if there has been any, I missed it. Just looked at the president's report 
for the October BOG meeting to confirm details. The report is at 
https://caves.org/nss-business/reports/1610/PRES-1610.pdf, accessible only to 
NSS members.

I recall Roger Serka as an upper-Midwest caver from my old days in Chicago. He 
was living in El Paso when he died, apparently without any contact with Texas 
cavers. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] The Canadian Caver

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I have just received my Canadian Caver #82 and am reminded that I ought to 
recommend this nice publication. Number 82 has 40 pages and is by no means 
limited to material about Canadian caves. It contains a long article about 
camping at the top of Mt. Rainier to study and survey the steam caves 
surrounding the east crater and another about a deep through-trip between two 
entrances of the BT5-BT6 system in the Pyrenees that hadn't been done in 
decades. "The 25-year-old 7-mm French rope looked good enough, the spits only 
moved a little, we just kept going" Subscription information is at 
www.cancaver.ca. Subscriptions for mailing to the US are Can$24 for one year 
(two issues) ordered by mail or Can$26 via PayPal. Two-year subs are also 
available, but at no discount. The Canadian dollar is currently worth US$0.74. 
I have the impression that they have correspondents in the US who can deal with 
checks in US dollars, although they don't say so.

The Canadians have always been active outside of Canada, including Mexico and 
West Virginia in the olden days. In fact, the very first issue from 1969 
contains maps from both those areas, including the Canadians' important map of 
Sótano del Río Iglesia in the Huautla area. They are now selling a DVD with PDF 
files of all issues from 1 through 80, 1969-2015, with older issues scanned and 
OCRed, for Can$28 postpaid to the US. A cumulative index is included. The same 
web address has a link for ordering that. -- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Florida cave divers set world record for longest underwater cave dive :

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An impressive feat. But if that 16.5 hours was total duration of the dive, the 
site must have been relatively shallow. I think the previous record involved 11 
hours at ~250 feet, followed by required decompression that made the total time 
24 hours.

Fortunately the 150+ km underwater caves in Mexico have over a hundred 
entrances. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Texas Caver

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I certainly agree that getting material is likely to be a greater challenge to 
a TC editor than the mechanics of putting together an issue, especially if the 
mechanics are perhaps reduced by a little less flash. But putting out a 
quality, timely product that authors will be proud to appear in will help a 
lot. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] The Texas Caver

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Quite aside from problems with the timeliness and quality of the Texas Caver, I 
am concerned about its very nature. It seems to be intended, these days, to be 
a picture magazine, not a record of Texas caving. I guess I'm old-fashioned, 
but I don't think that posting something worth recording about Texas caving to 
Facebook or the Texas Cavers e-mail list fulfills our obligation to history. 
The Texas Caver ought to strive to be a permanent record of what's gone on. I'd 
love to see all those on-line reports about Colorado Bend, Government Canyon, 
and similar project weekends or TCMA work days printed in the Caver. I don't 
care if they are in 9-point type at the back with no illustrations at all. They 
will at least be in the NSS, TSS, etc. libraries on paper (and perhaps on the 
web, too) in fifty years. Can the same thing be guaranteed by the archive of 
the Texas Caver list or some grotto's Facebook page? Kunath has of course 
emphasized the same thing.

The production part of editing the Texas Caver is _not_ a big job. Given the 
material, such as it is, in a recent issue, I could do all the prepress for an 
issue in an evening, given today's software for such things.  Not that I'm 
volunteering. I have plenty on my plate already, and I've been there, done 
that. I edited and typed the Windy City Speleonews and with a couple of helpers 
_printed_ and mailed it six times a year for over sixteen years, and just about 
every issue contained way more words (if very few pictures, it being during the 
'60s ad '70s) than any recent Texas Caver. We printed 300 copies and mailed 
enough to use a bulk-rate permit. And this was just a grotto newsletter. What's 
wrong with Texas?

As a hint to whoever does take over the Texas Caver: If it is going to get 
material, it _must_ come out regularly and on time, even if your first issues 
are full of historical material reprinted from old issues until people realize 
you're serious about the job. If potential authors think that maybe their 
articles will appear eventually whenever enough stuff has come over the 
transom, they will not be inspired. Again, a point that Carl made.

I promise I won't fuss about the missing commas. I get to do plenty of that as 
copy editor for the NSS's Journal of Cave and Karst Studies. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mike Walsh

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-- Mike Walsh.
He has changed his telephone number. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mike Walsh

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He has changed his telephone number. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Mike Walsh contact?

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I have received in inquiry from a caver in the eastern US about the Texas caver 
who has a place in Aquismón, Mexico. That would be Mike Walsh, but I have no 
current contact info for him at all. Presumably the e-mail address 
tcc-caves@... no longer works, because the TCC no longer exists. He is not in 
the latest NSS list. Can anyone enlighten me via a personal response? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Carrizal histo

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Thanks, Mónica. Attached is Google translation into English. It seems to have 
been well enough written that translation pretty successful.
 -- Mixon


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[Texascavers] AMCS help for TCR

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Aside from sitting and minding the store during some part of the time, health 
problem will prevent me from contributing much to the Association for Mexican 
Cave Studies' presence at TCR.

Other people needed to help finish unpacking and reshelving stuff brought back 
from NSS convention and then selecting and packing what should go to TCR. 
Hauling, setting up, and taking down shelter and two folding tables. I suggest 
that the 10x10 pop-up shelter will suffice, but the usual 10x20 portable-garage 
thing is available if somebody wants to deal with it. Take various accessories 
like AMCS banner, our small tarps to cover tables at night against dew, etc. My 
truck (manual transmission) could be borrowed to haul things if necessary; the 
tables are 6 feet long.

I can make signs with price lists for whatever is taken for sale and get change 
($1 and $5 bills) for the cash box.

I'm planning to drive my little car, leaving early afternoon on Friday. It will 
be easier and less intrusive to drive it and a folding chair, rather then the 
truck, around the site to participate in or at least view the various 
activities.

I know a lot of the usual AMCS people have other responsibilities at TCR. Maybe 
some new people can help with this. The AMCS has been too much of a one-man 
show (except for the actual caving) for too long. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] October NSS News wanted

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The October issue of the NSS News is devoted to the 2016 Huautla expedition. 
The Association for Mexican Cave Studies would like a copy for its archives. If 
you have an extra copy in the family or don't save your paper copies, we'd 
appreciate it. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] route to TCR

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There is a map for Paradise Canyon at http://paradisecanyon.com/map/. I think 
it is a lot better than the Google maps thing in the TCR web publicity. (Why 
has Google made its maps very difficult to print legibly?) For some other info, 
see http://cavetexas.org/events/TCR/index.html. Maybe actual schedule of event, 
prices, etc. are posted somewhere else? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Reddell award

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NSS beat them to it. James Reddell received the annual Science Award in 2001. 
-- Mixon

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[Texascavers] book review: Underground Ranger

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This book was heavily promoted at the NSS convention in July. Official 
publication date isn't until the middle of next month, strangely.

"Underground Ranger: Adventures in Carlsbad Caverns National Park and Other 
Remarkable Places." Doug Thompson. University of New Mexico Press, Albuquerque, 
2016. ISBN 978-0-8263-5750-2. 6 by 9 inches, 257 pages, paperback. $24.95.

Following some years of experience working for the NPS elsewhere, Doug Thompson 
applied for and got a job as an interpretive ranger at Carlsbad Caverns 
National Park despite having never been in a cave. The first half of this book 
describes how he learned about the caves, overcame fears of places like crawly 
Spider Cave where wild-cave trips are conducted, and prepared his spiels for 
Carlsbad Cavern tours. Following some black-and-white photos pointlessly 
segregated into a few pages, the second half of the book contains descriptions 
and lore about the Guads and the Chihuahuan Desert interleaved with 
descriptions of various caving trips, including ones to Ellison's Cave in 
Georgia and Lechuguilla in the park.

In some ways the writing seems juvenile. Except in the acknowledgements, 
Thompson refers to all his friends and coworkers by only their first names, and 
the depths of pits are given in stories, as in buildings. But he was clearly 
the most bookish and philosophically inclined among the rangers, and it shows. 
The writing is exceptionally good and clear; I only mentally grasped a red 
pencil twice in the whole book—comprise for compose. Explanations of geology 
and cave science are clear, if not too elaborate, and safety and conservation 
messages are conspicuous.

An entertaining read.—Bill Mixon

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[Texascavers] proceeding of Hawaii lava-tubes symposium

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The proceedings of the 17 International Symposium of Vulcanospeleology in 
Hawaii in February 2016 are now on the web at 
http://www.cavepics.com/IVS17/Proceedings.html.

It is _extremely_ annoying that this consists of 36 separate PDF files of 
papers that have not been assigned page numbers and assembled into a book with 
a table of contents. The whole thing only adds up to  40 MB. Why have to 
download all those tiny files? -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] Texas as an NSS region

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Nice obit for James Estes by Carl, but he persists in somewhat misstating the 
status of the Texas Region in the NSS.

Once upon a time, the NSS board included official representatives of "regions," 
including the Texas Region, as it was called at the time. This turned out to be 
very unwieldy, with lots of absences at meetings, etc., and the whole 
organization of the NSS was changed to an elected board of governors, with the 
regions just becoming Internal Organizations (under rules similar to those for 
grottos) and no longer having a formal role in the management of the NSS.

However, the Texans, now called the Texas Speleological Association, continued 
to be a region of the NSS. The region itself underwent a similar change in 
organization. Once upon a time it was governed by representatives of Texas 
grottos, which no doubt explains the existence of so many tiny, short-lived 
grottos that are described in Kunath's 50 Years of Texas Caving--Central 
Catholic High School Grotto, 1972-73, for example. Now it too is run by elected 
people, to the extent that it is (anybody seen a Texas Caver this year?). -- 
Mixon

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[Texascavers] 2009 ICS guidebooks on web

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Alex Sproul has put on the NSS web site the excursion and field-trip guidebooks 
for the 2009 International Congress of Speleology in Kerrville. 

https://caves.org/nss-business/publications/Guidebooks/index.shtml

They are available to NSS members by login. (You _are_ a member, aren't you?)

There are links to a number of NSS convention guidebooks on the same page, 
including the 1978 convention in Texas. -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] correct location of Bill Steele's webinar

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Oop. Copied and pasted wrong line. Bill Steele's talk as at
http://caves.org/webinars/PESH-1.mp4 -- Mixon

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[Texascavers] NSS webinars of interest to Texas cavers

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I've been browsing through the collection of NSS webinars on the NSS web site 
(catalog at http://caves.org/webinars/index-6.shtml). The following might be of 
special interest to Texas cavers either because they are about Texas or were 
given by Texas cavers.

Exploration of Sistema Huautla, Bill Steele, March 2016
http://caves.org/webinars/Soudan%20Webinar.mp4

Tracer Testing (Dye Tracing) in Karst Aquifers, Geary Schindel, February 2015
http://caves.org/webinars/Tracer-1.mp4

The Edwards Aquifer of South Central Texas - An Aquifer Under Stress, Geary 
Schindel, November 2012
http://caves.org/webinars/Edwards_Aquifer-1.mp4

Caving Robot—3d Mapping and Characterization of Sistema Zacaton from DEPTHX, 
Marcus Gary, May 2012
http://caves.org/webinars/Caving_Robot-1.mp4

--Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] UT Grotto Meeting

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Pete whoever you are -- Periscope works just fine on a computer. You were 
probably fooled by the links to download apps for iOS or Android. Just click 
the damn play button. That said, don't expect full-screen fidelity on a large 
screen. The video was sent in real time to Periscope from an iPhone. I have no 
way of knowing how large a file Periscope archives, but it certainly wouldn't 
be the several hundred megabytes a high-res video of that length would require.

It would be nice if someone who can figure out how would make a permanent 
archive in .mp4 format of all these talks so we wouldn't have to rely on 
Periscope, which might or might not be around as long as the .mp4 format lasts. 
They could be placed, as files of reasonable length, on some Texas caving 
organization's web site and kept on disk in the TSS archives. Failing that, at 
least some popular Texas caving website should maintain a catalog of them with 
links to Periscope version. Or of course both could be done. -- Mixon

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