Re: [Texascavers] Deep and Punkin Caves Nature Preserve Manager Retires:

[R D Milhollin]

Thanks Don, For everything! Your global perspective AND attention to detail 
have been key to the amazing facilities we have to enjoy at the D Preserve 
today!

RD Milhollin
 

On Friday, April 27, 2018, 9:00:05 PM CDT, Joe Ranzau  
wrote:  
 
 Anyone who has spent time with Don knows of his irreverent sense of humor and 
dedication to his Texas Caving family. Don became Preserve Manager for TCMA's 
Deep and Punkin Caves Nature Preserve in early March, 2010. A position I 
suspect he planned to keep for just a year or two as a way to help us out.
During his more than 8 years as preserve manager, he has been instrumental in 
herding cats, err... cavers, to continually improve our field station and work 
tirelessly to keep the preserve open and ready for the next group of cavers to 
come out and visit.
For many of us, Don and Lucy have been the first faces we see each time we 
arrive. They've been out ahead of the group to double check things and take 
care of any last minute issues. I'd hesitate to guess how many miles they have 
driven between San Antonio and the preserve, I venture it's a ton! Among the 
many accomplishments during his tenure, the surface trail system was vastly 
expanded giving groups ready access to many parts of the preserve and providing 
for better birding and hiking opportunities. We've built a group shower 
facility to handle the hoards of happy cavers after a long day underground. 
We've cleared the property lines, doubled our camping area, performed major 
restoration on the cabin at least three times, fixed numerous gates and the 
road more times than we can count, and transformed the back porch into a 
retreat for cavers.
Please join me in thanking Don for his dedicated service and congratulating him 
on a well deserved break!
Regards,Joe Ranzau | PresidentTexas Cave Management Association
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Re: [Texascavers] This day in speleo-history

[R D Milhollin]

Politics of religion?
 

On Friday, March 30, 2018, 9:24:46 PM CDT, JAMES JASEK 
 wrote:  
 
 CaveTex is a cave related site not a place to discuss religion of politics

JJ

> On Mar 30, 2018, at 9:14 PM, Michael Gibbons <6453...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Too set the record straight,  Easter is a pagan event known as Eshtar. 
> Celebration of fertility and all things new that the Spring brings. It was an 
> orgy of decadence and debauchery.
> Many Christian events took the dates of pagan celebrations.
> It is Palm Sunday to the Christian which begins the celebration of the King 
> of man. Passover for His children who have His mark. The deceiver can not 
> harm those who believe upon Him. This speaks of the second death. The death 
> of the soul. Those who believe upon Me shall have everlasting life. This is 
> the promise and the power of Yeshua. He did not cheat death as many think . 
> The death of this body is of no concern, we who hold the Savior in our heart 
> and mind merely vacate this clay pot and return to our spiritual being as did 
> Christ.
> To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord.
> He so loved His children that He gave His only begotten Son.
> The Passion.
> That is the meaning of this season.
> David, I'm kind of a different preacher. If that rendition of yours is a 
> stepping off point (as I interpreted) I will work with that.
> What I gleaned from your tale was a veiled query into the meaning of the Word.
> It's ok to believe dude, it's ok to tell the story how you understand it.
> It is in bad taste to make a parody of it but it ain't the unpardonable sin. 
> It ain't gonna get you gold trim on your linen gown but it ain't gonna keep 
> out of the here after either.
> 
> On Mar 30, 2018 7:18 PM, "Nancy Weaver"  wrote:
> pretty amusing.  Nancy
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Re: [Texascavers] TCMA 2018 Officers

[R D Milhollin]

 Thanks in advance to these Texas cavers who have stepped up to perform the 
work needed to be officers for the TCMA. Onward!

On Sunday, February 4, 2018, 8:48:43 PM CST, Joe Ranzau  
wrote:  
 
 The TCMA Board of Directors had a successful first meeting of 2018 earlier 
this afternoon.  We ratified the 2018 operating budget and selected officers 
for this year.  Congratulations to:

President - Joe Ranzau
Vice President - Linda Palit
Treasurer - Christi Burrell
Secretary - Lindsey Adamoski

Many thanks to the board members for their participation and to several 
interested members that attended.

Should anyone have questions about TCMA please feel free to reply directly or 
email presid...@tcmacaves.org

Regards,

Joe
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Re: [Texascavers] A photo of Mars

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 I had to read this twice: The first time I thought you were advocating for an 
actual small-scale interplanetary tree transplant a la "Silent Running". Forget 
Mars Candy, talk to Elon Musk!

On Wednesday, October 25, 2017, 7:00:24 PM CDT, Charles Loving via 
Texascavers  wrote:  
 
 Does anyone thing a Sequoia could make it to Mars? Perhaps with the help of 
NASA Bockbeer could be the first to drive to Mars? We could contact the Mars 
candy company to furnish him with enough Mars bars to make the trip.
On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 2:24 PM, David via Texascavers 
 wrote:

This very fuzzy photo is the latest released by NASA of the rover Curiosity's 
ridge-walking trip.
Still no caves found, nor much of anything that the general public would be 
enthusiastic about.
However, if you zoom in to the cracks of each rock, you can see thousands of 
years of erosion by a variety of forces.  Probably from sandstorms, heating and 
cooling, and maybe even some find of chemical erosion, and maybe even a liquid 
compound from a eon or even eons ago.  
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Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

Gastón Santos sounds like a pretty interesting dude. Here is the Spanish Wiki 
for him:
Gastón Santos - Wikipedia, la enciclopedia libre
  
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  From: Charles Loving via Texascavers 
 To: Cavers Texas  
 Sent: Monday, January 16, 2017 12:52 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Green place in Mexico (Skinner Lee via Texascavers)
   
Gaston Santos father was the Gov. of SLP and owned the ranch across the street 
from the hotel in Tamuin. We had his permission to cave but had to extra 
careful because he raised Toros for the corrida. He also had student protestors 
shot in SLP and was fired.Gaston Jr was a bull fighter and a pal of Foxey and a 
UT grad. 
On Mon, Jan 16, 2017 at 11:46 AM, via Texascavers  
wrote:

Now we are getting somewhere!  Aside from the Zetas, etc, why is the place so 
unpopulated? Bad dirt? Wretched vegetation? Thorn scrub never stopped a Mexican 
or a cow, and neither does cloud forest. Are these mountains older than the 
Sierra Madre Oriental? Different orogeny? Subsequent up igneous oozing? Salt 
dome? Nascent volcano? These are reputed to be "sky island" mountains but they 
seem too low and insufficiently isolated for that to be the case from a 
biogeographical perspective. Has anyone seen any cute little rattlesnakes 
there? Any other weird endemism? And why is Zacaton so deep? Is the whole area 
subsiding or is sulphuric acid rising up from Hell?  After Trump takes office 
will it be possible to apply to either the Zetas or the Gulf cartel for 
political asylum? If so how can they be reached? Sleaze In a message dated 
1/16/2017 12:07:47 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, texascavers@texascavers.com 
writes:
 There is, or was remnant cloud forest there. 
 On Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Lee H. Skinner via Texascavers 
 wrote:
 
  On 1/15/2017 10:00 AM, Bill Mixon via Texascavers wrote:
 
That valley El Picharo is certainly a curious feature. I wonder if it is an old 
caldera. Whole region looks virtually uninhabited, which might (or might not) 
make it a place for people up to no good to hang out. Surroundings seems to 
have well-developed surface drainage. -- Mixon

 I wonder if it could be an old meteor crater? 
 Lee

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[Texascavers] Bats and Wind Turbine Research at TCU

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

This story was featured on a radio news spot on local NPR affiliate KERA and on 
the statewide NPR program Texas Standard.
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/community/fort-worth/article86833592.html

  
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[Texascavers] Texas Sinkholes: Wink and Kermit Sinks Expanding

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

Reported in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram:
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/state/texas/article84269782.html

  
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Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

This purchase was a mistake from the beginning.There were several options 
presented and this one was pushed through by a political group within the NSS 
leadership at that time, many of whom continue in office today. The building is 
far too large for the needs of a shrinking society, and according to 
well-placed and knowledgeable individuals involved with the financing will be a 
money pit into the future. I don't believe this issue was even discussed at the 
recent BOG meeting. Bill is a has taken on a mammoth task trying to save the 
society from the consequences of this blunder, and I wish him all luck. The 
most safe thing to do, however, is to start trying to find a buyer for the 
building to avoid a foreclosure. I am totally opposed to robbing the Life 
Member's fund to pay the note, that is not it was intended for and would most 
likely never be paid back. The loss of investment income would further cripple 
the society's ability to accomplish its mission.


  From: Alex Sproul via Texascavers 
 To: via Texascavers  
 Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2016 1:25 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Texascavers Digest, Vol 23, Issue 11
   
On behalf of Bill Jackson:

By now you NSS members with an email address on file will have receivedthe 
emailed Spring Appeal Letter. A hard copy will go out later this week to 
thosewithout email addresses on file. This has generated many questions about 
theHQ refinancing. There are answers here...
Please register for NSS HQ refinancing on May 19, 2016 9:00 PM EDT at:
https://attendee.gotowebinar.com/register/6733168789981104898
NSS President Shrewbury will present spreadsheet analysis of refinancingoptions 
for the Headquarters mortgage.
After registering, you will receive a confirmation email containing 
informationabout joining the webinar.
Brought to you by GoToWebinar® Webinars Made Easy®
Bill JacksonNSS 20163FLFundraising ChairDirector  
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Re: [Texascavers] Houston grotto folks

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

"Accidental Cathedral" is a play on the famous Basilica Cistern in Istambul.


  From: Gill Ediger via Texascavers 
 To: "texascavers@texascavers.com" ; 
"diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu"  
 Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2016 6:09 PM
 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Houston grotto folks
   
So they tell you it has a nickname but they never tell what it is. --Ediger
 

On Thursday, March 10, 2016 4:08 PM, "Roger Moore (cavera...@aol.com) via 
Texascavers"  wrote:
 

 Yes, I've known about this cistern for some time, been at the entrance, and 
seen pictures but have not been in it yet. 

Roger G. Moore

-Original Message-
From: Diana Tomchick 
To: Cave Tex 
Cc: Roger Moore 
Sent: Thu, Mar 10, 2016 3:37 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Houston grotto folks

Whoa Roger, this is very cool.

Diana

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Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On Mar 10, 2016, at 3:27 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
>
> Just read about this - maybe something for the GHG to work on:
> http://swamplot.com/now-hiring-tour-guides-for-the-abandoned-1927-cistern-buried-along-buffalo-bayou/2016-03-10/
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[Texascavers] Good News for Bats

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Bats successfully treated White Nose Syndrome in Missouri released back into 
the wild:  
http://www.batcon.org/files/May15MissouriWNSPressReleaseBCITNC.pdf



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Re: [Texascavers] Karst Information Portal

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

Mark,
My understanding is that the KIP is an international repository, so the 
member's only access limitation you suggest would have to be extended to all 
nation's National Speleological Association in order to be fair. Perhaps the 
NSS Archives Committee could be encouraged to set up a similar service but only 
for US cave-related organization's publications. Since the scanned newsletters 
are already in place on KIP, transferring those to that new local portal 
would seem to be a pretty simple process, and the collection could reside 
behind the NSS member paywall. 
RD
  From: Mark Minton via Texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com
 To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
 Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2014 9:03 AM
 Subject: [Texascavers] Karst Information Portal
   
George,

  According to the Karst Information Portal home page, grotto newsletters
are soon to be withdrawn from open access. That seems like addressing
the potential problem of location information with a sledgehammer.
What's the point of having things on KIP if no one can get to them?
Maybe they should be put into a special members only area where NSS
members can log in with their NSS number and some other credentials to
see the newsletters. I've been actively promoting editors to make their
newsletters available through KIP and many have agreed. Now that all
looks like it might have been for naught. :-(

Mark

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[Texascavers] Bracken: City of San Antonio Steps Up

[R D Milhollin via Texascavers]

There city will bear $10 million of $20.5 million needed to buy 1500 acres 
adjoining the Bracken Preserve from developers:
San Antonio City Council OKs $20.5M Bat Deal

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| San Antonio City Council OKs $20.5M Bat DealThe San Antonio City Council has 
approved a $20.5 million deal to halt development on top of its main water 
source and help preserve the world's largest bat colony. |
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Re: [Texascavers] Mark Gee

[R D Milhollin]

do you have his phone number?



On Wednesday, February 5, 2014 10:11 PM, Charles Goldsmith 
wo...@justfamily.org wrote:
 
This is still his email: markageetxca...@yahoo.com

he doesn't check it often though, phone is the best way to get in touch



On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 7:00 PM, R D Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com wrote:

Sorry Listeros, I can't seem to find a contact for Mark Gee. Mark, please 
contact me off-list when convenient.


RD Milhollin

[Texascavers] Women Cavers' Survey

[R D Milhollin]

I was told the last attempt to post this on TexasCavers included a faulty link. 
This is directly from the author of the survey, so I hope the link works.

On Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:50 PM, Lisa Bauman lisabauma...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  
[Attachment(s) from Lisa Bauman included below]
TAKE SURVEY (women cavers)
https://www.murvey.com/s?52d71543c17c0a7d1a000cfb
Check out this image (attached) to find out what states and counties have been 
polled so far. 
Ladies, you have about 60 more days to represent! Also, I only have access to 
NW region area yahoo forums. Please pass this along so that grottos all over 
the US can have a chance to be included. 
THANK YOU!
__._,_.___
Attachment(s) from Lisa Bauman
1 of 1 Photo(s) 
Screenshot_2014-01-19-11-43-55-1.png

Re: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise

[R D Milhollin]

If you want to see some fast back-pedaling find a way to offer A  M the option 
to take the Texas Memorial Museum to College Station. The governor would love 
it but the legislature would probably not allow it to happen.




On Friday, January 17, 2014 3:03 PM, dirt...@comcast.net 
dirt...@comcast.net wrote:
 
Ron:

Jerks. Perhaps College of Unnatural Sciences??

Send me the petition to sign, if it will still do any good.  Your E-mail said 
January 15, which was two days ago.

Send it via e-mail, we are not at the moment in Terlingua.  We are on our way 
to the karst of Cuba  - back in Feb.

Dwight

Dwight Deal
dirt...@comcast.net
PO Box 10
Terlingua, TX 79852




From: Ron Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com
To: jputnam1...@att.net
Cc: Texas Cavers Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Friday, January 17, 2014 12:56:39 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Texas Memorial Museum demise


Mary,
 
How did it go giving the petition to Dean 
Hicke?

[Texascavers] Environmental Action: Digging and Looting

[R D Milhollin]

Texas Cavers, this message was posted for New Mexico caver Lynda Sanchez and 
regards the commercial glorification of digging in culturally sensitive areas 
by amateurs without professional guidance or supervision; obvious implications 
for caves in nature preserves and parks.

Good morning all..hype and shame on NGS (read below).   For those of you 
who are concerned by this new trend on the NGS Channel go to the following link 
and sign the petition to ask NGS Channel to stop their hype and pull programs 
such as Diggers!  That program alone has created more unintended consequences 
(called looting and digging on federal and state lands) of our heritage than 
just about any others.  The National Conference of State Historic Preservation 
Officers and the World Congress of Archaeology have signed on as have dozens of 
other organizations and concerned folks.
 
Several Cavers have already signed, but in view of this email trail perhaps 
some of the rest of you will sign as well. Check out the details and if you 
have additional questions let me know.  Thanks.
Lynda
 
 
http://www.change.org/petitions/the-national-geographic-channel-the-travel-channel-spike-tv-stop-airing-their-digger-programs-3?utm_source=guidesutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=petition_created

[Texascavers] TCMA Election Underway

[R D Milhollin]

The annual election for Texas Cave Management Association Directors is 
presently underway. All current TCMA members are encouraged to participate in 
choosing the leaders who will guide our cave conservancy for the next several 
years as we continue to improve and expand the inventory of Texas caves owned 
and managed by Texas cavers. Voting will end 5:00 PM on November 30. If you are 
a TCMA member and have not received an electronic ballot via your e-mail 
address please contact Ron Ralph (ronra...@austin.rr.com) and he will work to 
get you on the voter roll. A quick thanks to the candidates who have stepped 
forward to offer their time and efforts to further the mission of TCMA.

[Texascavers] Lost TCMA Members

[R D Milhollin]

Texas Cavers,

The Texas Cave Management Association has lost contact with a few members, or 
possibly a few members have lost contact with the TCMA. In any event we are 
looking for them, and maybe YOU can help.

The annual election for TCMA directors is coming up and we want to be sure that 
every current member is able to vote for the candidate they feel will be most 
able to help TCMA move forward acquiring even more caves for cavers. The 
following list of cavers do not have current contact info on file with the 
TCMA… if you know where they are hiding can you let us know?

Doug Allen
Jacqueline J. Belwood
Carolyn Biegert
Phil Curtain
John Kebler
Kevin Koch
Gary Olsaver
Rachel Saker

Please send any helpful responses off-list to the TCMA database manager, Ron 
Ralph ronra...@austin.rr.com

An e-mail address would be best, since the ballots for the upcoming election 
will be sent via e-mail, and we can use that method to get updates on mailing 
addresses, etc. 


If any readers of this message are not current members they can go online to 
get current at:

 http://www.tcmacaves.org/financial/membership.php

(an on-topic texascavers post; key words and phrases: cave, cave management, 
TCMA, caves, cavers)

[Texascavers] Article: Artificial Cave Built to Help Bats Survive WNS

[R D Milhollin]

Interesting article posted on a Western US NSS Task Force list:

Artificial Bat Cave: A Radical Idea to Save America’s 
Bats
by Paul Kingsbury
To fight white nose syndrome, an epidemic that is causing 
catastrophic die-offs in America’s cave bat populations, The Nature
Conservancy in Tennessee has embarked on a radical idea – building 
an artificial cave next to an existing natural bat cave in
Tennessee. The artificial cave can be disinfected of the white 
fungus that causes white nose syndrome, thus creating a healthier haven
for bats.
Following expert scientific review of the building plans, The 
Nature Conservancy began construction
on the artificial cave in August 2012 and finished construction in 
early October to allow bats to take up
residence that winter.
Nature.org talked with Cory Holliday, director of the Cave  
Karst Program for The Nature
Conservancy in Tennessee. Holliday said the reason for building an 
artificial cave is that, “White nose
syndrome has been devastating to cave-hibernating bats since it 
was discovered in New York state in
2006. We’ve lost more than 5 million bats in 19 states, and we 
still haven’t identified any way to
control bat mortality rates or the fungus that causes those 
deaths. Up to this point we have simply had
no tools to employ to keep bats from dying. And a loss of bat 
species could have serious
consequences for people. Bats are the number-one predator of 
night-flying insects. One million bats
can eat 694 tons of insects per year. A recent study estimated the 
value of bats to Tennessee
agriculture at over $313 million annually.
“In June 2010, I attended a U.S. Fish and Wildlife 
Service-sponsored workshop with cave and bat experts on keeping and
breeding bats in captivity to protect them from white nose 
syndrome. The idea came out of a small working group session. And these
bat experts thought it might have the potential to save large 
numbers of bats.
“The artificial cave will be long and rectangular – about as big 
as a single-wide house trailer, only taller with 11 foot ceilings.
That’s 78 feet long. And the structure will be buried in a 
hillside near an existing natural bat cave. Initially we thought we would 
build
this cave out of spray-on Shot-crete and have it all formed in a 
single unit. But we recently found a much more affordable design,
adapting huge rectangular waterway culvert pieces that we will 
attach together like building blocks. This modular design will save us
money and construction time. And it will be easier for other 
groups to replicate it elsewhere.
Nature.org asked, “How do you entice the bats into the cave?” Cory 
explained, “Bats move from cave to cave, tree to tree, always
looking for new places that meet their needs for roosting and 
hibernating. It’s a little like that Field of Dreams movie: If you build it,
they will come. Past experience shows that bats are constantly 
seeking new habitats.”
“It’s all in the design. In order for a cave like this to work it 
has to be a cold air trap. It has to be underground. The ceiling has to
be farther below ground than any entrance to create that cold air 
trap. It has to have air flow through two entrances, and the entrances
have to be at differing levels, because the flow of air is much 
like the thermodynamics of flowing water. Using a specially structured
ventilation damper, we can adjust that air flow to fine-tune the 
climate.
“Keep in mind that this artificial cave is located very close to 
an existing bat cave that has hundreds of thousands of bats. It’s
within a few hundred feet of the existing cave. Historically about 
40,000 to 50,000 bats used the natural cave on the site. After The
Nature Conservancy bought it in 2006 and fenced it to keep out 
vandals, the numbers have skyrocketed. In 2010, we counted 160,000
using thermal imaging and computers. This summer we counted 
265,000.
“Unfortunately, we found white nose syndrome in gray bats at that 
cave this past winter. If the disease follows the typical trend,
then we could see 90 percent mortality at that cave in three 
years. So the clock is ticking on us.
Nature.org asked, “What happens if the bats don’t go in the cave?” 
Holliday replied, “The bats should go in as long as we get the
temperature and humidity right. We believe they will. If they 
don’t go in, then we must have done something wrong, and we would
make any adjustments we can. In addition, we plan to play 
recordings of ultra-sonic bat calls at the artificial cave when it first opens 
to
entice bats to check it out.
“But if the bats just wouldn’t go in, then we could use the cave 
as an on-site laboratory to study bats that we brought in.
Unfortunately, the gray bats of the natural cave we plan to build 
next to are a federally listed endangered species, and we probably
would not be allowed to move gray bats without a permit.
“Or we could work on toxicity trials with anti-fungal agents and 
test them on cave micro-organisms that we would bring in. The
thing 

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

[R D Milhollin]

I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish.



 From: Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com
To: James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com 
Cc: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com; TexasCavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
 


Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He 
should be home tomorrow

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote:


Galen,


How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now?


Jim

On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote:

He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but 
he is his usual self!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you! I'm glad he is aright.

Sheryl




On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net wrote:

Gill says he is OK.
He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 
10ft pit.
He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft.
Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took 
good care of him from there.Justin 

Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar

[R D Milhollin]

I didn't realize he got hurt THERE. I didn't even know he was Jewish.



 From: Galen Falgout galenfalg...@yahoo.com
To: James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com 
Cc: Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com; TexasCavers 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2013 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Gill Edigar
 


Gill is alright they are keeping him over night to watch his concision. He 
should be home tomorrow

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 9:18 PM, James Jasek caver...@hot.rr.com wrote:


Galen,


How about some details on the fall and an update on how he is doing right now?


Jim

On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:11 PM, Galen Falgout wrote:

He got 19 stitches in us head and had 10 fractured ribs. He may be in pain but 
he is his usual self!

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 31, 2013, at 8:07 PM, Sheryl Rieck sheryl.ri...@gmail.com wrote:


Thank you! I'm glad he is aright.

Sheryl




On Wed, Jul 31, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Justin Leigh Shaw jus...@oztotl.net wrote:

Gill says he is OK.
He was helping with a dig project in southwest Austin when he fell down a 
10ft pit.
He self rescued from a depth of about 40ft.
Cooperative and professional Austin Fire Department first responders took 
good care of him from there.Justin 

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

Actually The Cave, better known as the Spelunkers Cave, a great attraction at 
Six Flags back in the day...



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink
 


That is only 500 meters from the old Spelunker Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA8nMuo1yXAfeature=youtube_gdata_player

Re: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/ballpark-sinkhole-on-field-bp-for-rangers-indians-canceled-by-problem-behind-pitchers-mound/2013/06/11/94985e62-d2e2-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html




 From: RD rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink
 

There is sinkhole that opened in the infield of the Ballpark at Arlington. 
Grounds keepers hope to fill it in so as not to delay the scheduled 7:00 pm 
start time for tonight's Rangers vs Cleveland game.

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

Actually The Cave, better known as the Spelunkers Cave, a great attraction at 
Six Flags back in the day...



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink
 


That is only 500 meters from the old Spelunker Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA8nMuo1yXAfeature=youtube_gdata_player

Re: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/ballpark-sinkhole-on-field-bp-for-rangers-indians-canceled-by-problem-behind-pitchers-mound/2013/06/11/94985e62-d2e2-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html




 From: RD rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink
 

There is sinkhole that opened in the infield of the Ballpark at Arlington. 
Grounds keepers hope to fill it in so as not to delay the scheduled 7:00 pm 
start time for tonight's Rangers vs Cleveland game.

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Re: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

Actually The Cave, better known as the Spelunkers Cave, a great attraction at 
Six Flags back in the day...



 From: David dlocklea...@gmail.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Rangers Sink
 


That is only 500 meters from the old Spelunker Tube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oA8nMuo1yXAfeature=youtube_gdata_player

Re: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/nationals/ballpark-sinkhole-on-field-bp-for-rangers-indians-canceled-by-problem-behind-pitchers-mound/2013/06/11/94985e62-d2e2-11e2-b3a2-3bf5eb37b9d0_story.html




 From: RD rdmilhol...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers List texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 5:36 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Rangers Sink
 

There is sinkhole that opened in the infield of the Ballpark at Arlington. 
Grounds keepers hope to fill it in so as not to delay the scheduled 7:00 pm 
start time for tonight's Rangers vs Cleveland game.

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Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers

[R D Milhollin]

I am saddened to hear about the passing of Dave Gers. He was without a doubt 
one of the most interesting people, caver or non, whom I have ever had the 
please of meeting and hanging around with. Memories of homemade beer, engaging 
philosophical conversations, raging campfires, singing in resonant cave 
chambers, and eternal optimism spring up when I remember back to the times we 
would be out in New Mexico up on the hill or down in the park. No sadness, no 
regrets, no fears. 

Cave on Dave.




 From: Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com
To: H. Sapiens ut_h.sapi...@yahoo.com; utcac...@yahoo.com 
utcac...@yahoo.com; utca...@yahoo.com utca...@yahoo.com; Mark Alman 
texascav...@att.net; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; 
RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com; texascav...@yahoo.com texascav...@yahoo.com; 
webmas...@metroplexcavers.org webmas...@metroplexcavers.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers
 


Please pass this on to DFW Grotto. Lots of us knew Dave. While he had not caved 
in almost a decade due to his poor eyesight, many of us still thought of him as 
a friend. He will be missed. Now he is in the Great Geocache rally in 
the sky!
Karen Perry

- Forwarded Message -
From: a72sting...@bluefrog.com a72sting...@bluefrog.com
To: txcavem...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Dave gers
 


Karen,
I am emailing you to let you know that my father, Dave, passed away on June 1. 
We, my brother Rob, and I found a Xmas card from you on his nightstand.

Your more than welcome to contact me.

Dave's daughter,
Lia Dellario

 
 
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Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers

[R D Milhollin]

I am saddened to hear about the passing of Dave Gers. He was without a doubt 
one of the most interesting people, caver or non, whom I have ever had the 
please of meeting and hanging around with. Memories of homemade beer, engaging 
philosophical conversations, raging campfires, singing in resonant cave 
chambers, and eternal optimism spring up when I remember back to the times we 
would be out in New Mexico up on the hill or down in the park. No sadness, no 
regrets, no fears. 

Cave on Dave.




 From: Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com
To: H. Sapiens ut_h.sapi...@yahoo.com; utcac...@yahoo.com 
utcac...@yahoo.com; utca...@yahoo.com utca...@yahoo.com; Mark Alman 
texascav...@att.net; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; 
RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com; texascav...@yahoo.com texascav...@yahoo.com; 
webmas...@metroplexcavers.org webmas...@metroplexcavers.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers
 


Please pass this on to DFW Grotto. Lots of us knew Dave. While he had not caved 
in almost a decade due to his poor eyesight, many of us still thought of him as 
a friend. He will be missed. Now he is in the Great Geocache rally in 
the sky!
Karen Perry

- Forwarded Message -
From: a72sting...@bluefrog.com a72sting...@bluefrog.com
To: txcavem...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Dave gers
 


Karen,
I am emailing you to let you know that my father, Dave, passed away on June 1. 
We, my brother Rob, and I found a Xmas card from you on his nightstand.

Your more than welcome to contact me.

Dave's daughter,
Lia Dellario

 
 
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Re: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers

[R D Milhollin]

I am saddened to hear about the passing of Dave Gers. He was without a doubt 
one of the most interesting people, caver or non, whom I have ever had the 
please of meeting and hanging around with. Memories of homemade beer, engaging 
philosophical conversations, raging campfires, singing in resonant cave 
chambers, and eternal optimism spring up when I remember back to the times we 
would be out in New Mexico up on the hill or down in the park. No sadness, no 
regrets, no fears. 

Cave on Dave.




 From: Karen Perry txcavem...@yahoo.com
To: H. Sapiens ut_h.sapi...@yahoo.com; utcac...@yahoo.com 
utcac...@yahoo.com; utca...@yahoo.com utca...@yahoo.com; Mark Alman 
texascav...@att.net; memb...@cowtowngrotto.org memb...@cowtowngrotto.org; 
RD Milhollin rdmilhol...@yahoo.com; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com; texascav...@yahoo.com texascav...@yahoo.com; 
webmas...@metroplexcavers.org webmas...@metroplexcavers.org 
Sent: Friday, June 7, 2013 2:26 PM
Subject: [Cowtown] Fw: Dave gers
 


Please pass this on to DFW Grotto. Lots of us knew Dave. While he had not caved 
in almost a decade due to his poor eyesight, many of us still thought of him as 
a friend. He will be missed. Now he is in the Great Geocache rally in 
the sky!
Karen Perry

- Forwarded Message -
From: a72sting...@bluefrog.com a72sting...@bluefrog.com
To: txcavem...@yahoo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2013 10:24 AM
Subject: Dave gers
 


Karen,
I am emailing you to let you know that my father, Dave, passed away on June 1. 
We, my brother Rob, and I found a Xmas card from you on his nightstand.

Your more than welcome to contact me.

Dave's daughter,
Lia Dellario

 
 
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[Cowtown] Amon Carter Acquires Painting The Caves

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.cartermuseum.org/press/releases/amon-carter-museum-of-american-art-announces-acquisition-of-its-first-painting-by-19th-century-artist-robert


Fort Worth;s Amon Carter of American Art has acquired a large painting by 
Robert Seldon Duncanson (1821-1872) entitles The Cave painted in 1869.

Impressive in scale, the painting is approximately 3 feet tall and is in 
magnificent condition. The Caves is painted in the Hudson River School 
tradition, which was an inspiration to Duncanson after he viewed works by 
Thomas Cole and other Hudson River School artists at Cincinnati’s Western Art 
Union in the late 1840s. The scene depicts an intimate view of the wilderness, 
with unusual geographic features of steep ravines and sandstone cliffs 
perforated by a canopy of evergreens and a trio of caverns.
“At first glance, the scene suggests a documented view of untouched nature,” 
says Rebecca Lawton, curator of paintings and sculpture. “But then we notice 
three figures making their way up a steep incline toward the mouths of the 
caves.
Here is a link to an article that has the painting pictured:
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11int_new=62279#.UY0iYJWXG9s

Something new to show to visiting cavers who stay in Fort Worth. If you don't 
have (natural) caves, having great art depicting caves will have to do!

[Cowtown] Amon Carter Acquires Painting The Caves

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.cartermuseum.org/press/releases/amon-carter-museum-of-american-art-announces-acquisition-of-its-first-painting-by-19th-century-artist-robert


Fort Worth;s Amon Carter of American Art has acquired a large painting by 
Robert Seldon Duncanson (1821-1872) entitles The Cave painted in 1869.

Impressive in scale, the painting is approximately 3 feet tall and is in 
magnificent condition. The Caves is painted in the Hudson River School 
tradition, which was an inspiration to Duncanson after he viewed works by 
Thomas Cole and other Hudson River School artists at Cincinnati’s Western Art 
Union in the late 1840s. The scene depicts an intimate view of the wilderness, 
with unusual geographic features of steep ravines and sandstone cliffs 
perforated by a canopy of evergreens and a trio of caverns.
“At first glance, the scene suggests a documented view of untouched nature,” 
says Rebecca Lawton, curator of paintings and sculpture. “But then we notice 
three figures making their way up a steep incline toward the mouths of the 
caves.
Here is a link to an article that has the painting pictured:
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11int_new=62279#.UY0iYJWXG9s

Something new to show to visiting cavers who stay in Fort Worth. If you don't 
have (natural) caves, having great art depicting caves will have to do!

[Cowtown] Amon Carter Acquires Painting The Caves

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.cartermuseum.org/press/releases/amon-carter-museum-of-american-art-announces-acquisition-of-its-first-painting-by-19th-century-artist-robert


Fort Worth;s Amon Carter of American Art has acquired a large painting by 
Robert Seldon Duncanson (1821-1872) entitles The Cave painted in 1869.

Impressive in scale, the painting is approximately 3 feet tall and is in 
magnificent condition. The Caves is painted in the Hudson River School 
tradition, which was an inspiration to Duncanson after he viewed works by 
Thomas Cole and other Hudson River School artists at Cincinnati’s Western Art 
Union in the late 1840s. The scene depicts an intimate view of the wilderness, 
with unusual geographic features of steep ravines and sandstone cliffs 
perforated by a canopy of evergreens and a trio of caverns.
“At first glance, the scene suggests a documented view of untouched nature,” 
says Rebecca Lawton, curator of paintings and sculpture. “But then we notice 
three figures making their way up a steep incline toward the mouths of the 
caves.
Here is a link to an article that has the painting pictured:
http://www.artdaily.org/index.asp?int_sec=11int_new=62279#.UY0iYJWXG9s

Something new to show to visiting cavers who stay in Fort Worth. If you don't 
have (natural) caves, having great art depicting caves will have to do!

[Texascavers] Getting in shape for caving (and diving)

[R D Milhollin]

Fort Worth Bicycling Association has a well-maintained calendar of bicycling 
events and opportunities posted at:

http://fwbaclub.org


Also, an alternative to water polo more suited to divers is Underwater Hockey, 
same potential for bumps as Polo but UWH players have a stick! The game is 
played on the bottom of a pool with a lead puck, and breathing is discouraged 
while your team is defending the goal and prohibited when you have possession 
and are making a run. Sadly, the only Texas areas lucky enough to have this 
opportunity are the DFW area (Wed nites at Duncanville HS Natatorium) and 
Houston (T-Th UT Health Science Center by the Astrodome) although sometimes a 
team makes at AM and a group from Austin has been practicing in Killeen at the 
Fort Hood pool. We would like to see teams started in Austin and San Antonio 
(Seaworld tanks have glass windows...) so there could be an annual Texas 
tournament.

Here is a recent article about DFW-UWH:

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2013/apr/16/dallas-underwater-hockey-team-plays-rare-sport/




 From: Personal ralb...@austin.rr.com
To: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 
Cc: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:24 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Getting in shape for caving
 

I train for and compete in water polo. 

Pulling yourself about while prone and the crawl is almost properly named. 
Good upper and lower body workout.

Getting beaten about the head and body helps for appropriate pre cave bruising.

Sump diving emulations come in 25 yard no breather swims.

And of course having what little clothing worn during a game get shredded seems 
appropriate as well.

Robert

Please excuse PDA inspired brevity and typos.

On Apr 15, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Diana Tomchick 
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote:

 Last spring I decided I needed to do something to get into better physical 
 shape to go caving, and it needed to be something I could do year-round, and 
 at least 3 times per week. Due to persistent problems with one of my knees, 
 and to the cervical disk surgery I had in 2004, it seemed as though jogging 
 was no longer a good choice. So I decided to return to the favorite exercise 
 of my childhood: bicycling. For about 10 months now I've been biking to work 
 (sometimes one-way, sometimes round-trip) and my mileage is now up to about 
 60-80 miles per week. In addition to the expected aerobic benefits, I've 
 discovered that this has really helped with my ability to traverse 
 water-filled caves. The motion required to propel myself while semi-floating 
 in water (I support my upper torso on my floating pack) and kicking off the 
 bottom is very similar to cycling. I also try to lift weights 2-3 times a 
 week.
 
 Now that the days are getting longer, I'd like to ride the bike more and 
 train for a century ride later in the season. Aside from the famous Wichita 
 Falls HHH 100 ride, can anyone recommend some other unique century (either 
 metric or English) rides in Texas? I'm looking for well-organized rides that 
 offer something unique--either great food, great scenery, interesting 
 history, etc., and it can be anywhere in Texas. Please reply directly to me, 
 and not to the list-at-large.
 
 And if anyone else would like to share their methods for getting and staying 
 in shape for caving, it would be nice to share that with the list.
 
 Diana
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 Diana R. Tomchick
 Professor
 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
 Department of Biophysics
 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
 Rm. ND10.214B
 Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
 Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
 214-645-6383 (phone)
 214-645-6353 (fax)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Texascavers] Getting in shape for caving (and diving)

[R D Milhollin]

Fort Worth Bicycling Association has a well-maintained calendar of bicycling 
events and opportunities posted at:

http://fwbaclub.org


Also, an alternative to water polo more suited to divers is Underwater Hockey, 
same potential for bumps as Polo but UWH players have a stick! The game is 
played on the bottom of a pool with a lead puck, and breathing is discouraged 
while your team is defending the goal and prohibited when you have possession 
and are making a run. Sadly, the only Texas areas lucky enough to have this 
opportunity are the DFW area (Wed nites at Duncanville HS Natatorium) and 
Houston (T-Th UT Health Science Center by the Astrodome) although sometimes a 
team makes at AM and a group from Austin has been practicing in Killeen at the 
Fort Hood pool. We would like to see teams started in Austin and San Antonio 
(Seaworld tanks have glass windows...) so there could be an annual Texas 
tournament.

Here is a recent article about DFW-UWH:

http://www.pegasusnews.com/news/2013/apr/16/dallas-underwater-hockey-team-plays-rare-sport/




 From: Personal ralb...@austin.rr.com
To: Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 
Cc: Cave Tex texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, April 17, 2013 5:24 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Re: Getting in shape for caving
 

I train for and compete in water polo. 

Pulling yourself about while prone and the crawl is almost properly named. 
Good upper and lower body workout.

Getting beaten about the head and body helps for appropriate pre cave bruising.

Sump diving emulations come in 25 yard no breather swims.

And of course having what little clothing worn during a game get shredded seems 
appropriate as well.

Robert

Please excuse PDA inspired brevity and typos.

On Apr 15, 2013, at 12:01 PM, Diana Tomchick 
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote:

 Last spring I decided I needed to do something to get into better physical 
 shape to go caving, and it needed to be something I could do year-round, and 
 at least 3 times per week. Due to persistent problems with one of my knees, 
 and to the cervical disk surgery I had in 2004, it seemed as though jogging 
 was no longer a good choice. So I decided to return to the favorite exercise 
 of my childhood: bicycling. For about 10 months now I've been biking to work 
 (sometimes one-way, sometimes round-trip) and my mileage is now up to about 
 60-80 miles per week. In addition to the expected aerobic benefits, I've 
 discovered that this has really helped with my ability to traverse 
 water-filled caves. The motion required to propel myself while semi-floating 
 in water (I support my upper torso on my floating pack) and kicking off the 
 bottom is very similar to cycling. I also try to lift weights 2-3 times a 
 week.
 
 Now that the days are getting longer, I'd like to ride the bike more and 
 train for a century ride later in the season. Aside from the famous Wichita 
 Falls HHH 100 ride, can anyone recommend some other unique century (either 
 metric or English) rides in Texas? I'm looking for well-organized rides that 
 offer something unique--either great food, great scenery, interesting 
 history, etc., and it can be anywhere in Texas. Please reply directly to me, 
 and not to the list-at-large.
 
 And if anyone else would like to share their methods for getting and staying 
 in shape for caving, it would be nice to share that with the list.
 
 Diana
 
 * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
 Diana R. Tomchick
 Professor
 University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
 Department of Biophysics
 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
 Rm. ND10.214B
 Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A.
 Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
 214-645-6383 (phone)
 214-645-6353 (fax)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 UT Southwestern Medical Center
 The future of medicine, today.
 

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Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[R D Milhollin]

Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central Caverns 
had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some urban caving 
sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete 
structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe) in the same 
passageway. The formations there were pearl white to transparent and grew fast 
and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or pulse flooding took those out 
some time back, but last time I looked they seem to be growing back.



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 

 
When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda 
straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my 
slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally 
retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan my 
slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).
 
Louise

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[R D Milhollin]

Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central Caverns 
had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some urban caving 
sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete 
structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe) in the same 
passageway. The formations there were pearl white to transparent and grew fast 
and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or pulse flooding took those out 
some time back, but last time I looked they seem to be growing back.



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 

 
When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda 
straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my 
slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally 
retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan my 
slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).
 
Louise

Re: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites

[R D Milhollin]

Before their destruction several years back the Dallas North Central Caverns 
had some pretty spectacular calcite formations. There are some urban caving 
sites in Fort Worth where I have observed soda straws growing where concrete 
structure butted up to other material (brickwork and iron pipe) in the same 
passageway. The formations there were pearl white to transparent and grew fast 
and long, up to 4 feet in length. Vandalism or pulse flooding took those out 
some time back, but last time I looked they seem to be growing back.



 From: Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2013 6:06 PM
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] concrete stalactites
 

 
When the Rice Grotto was exploring the Caves of Houston, we found soda 
straws, draperies and a few other formations. Somewhere in the depths of my 
slide collections (you remember slides), I have pictures. When I finally 
retire, just like a lot of the other people I caved with I'm going to scan my 
slides (if they don't come up with something better by then).
 
Louise

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[R D Milhollin]

nbsp;nbsp;nbsp;

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nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jon

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nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jon

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nbsp;nbsp;nbsp; Jon

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[Texascavers] Bats in a Documentary

[R D Milhollin]

Nothing really new here, I just happened to see a documentary the other day 
that had some amazing photography of bats, including Texas bats. The show was 
on KERA, the DFW PBS affiliate and is the second installment of Attenborough's 
BBC Documentary The Life of Mammals dealing with Insectivores. I believe 
the series was produced between 2002 and 2003 and was aired in the US as part 
of the PBS Nature series. If you appreciate bats and haven't seen this film I 
would recommend looking for it; Good stuff!

[Texascavers] Bats in a Documentary

[R D Milhollin]

Nothing really new here, I just happened to see a documentary the other day 
that had some amazing photography of bats, including Texas bats. The show was 
on KERA, the DFW PBS affiliate and is the second installment of Attenborough's 
BBC Documentary The Life of Mammals dealing with Insectivores. I believe 
the series was produced between 2002 and 2003 and was aired in the US as part 
of the PBS Nature series. If you appreciate bats and haven't seen this film I 
would recommend looking for it; Good stuff!

[Texascavers] Bats in a Documentary

[R D Milhollin]

Nothing really new here, I just happened to see a documentary the other day 
that had some amazing photography of bats, including Texas bats. The show was 
on KERA, the DFW PBS affiliate and is the second installment of Attenborough's 
BBC Documentary The Life of Mammals dealing with Insectivores. I believe 
the series was produced between 2002 and 2003 and was aired in the US as part 
of the PBS Nature series. If you appreciate bats and haven't seen this film I 
would recommend looking for it; Good stuff!

Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston pbos...@nmt.edu
To: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com 
Cc: swr s...@caver.net; pajarito pajar...@lists.snurkle.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com wrote:



  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802



NR - MACA WNS Announcement - FINAL (1).pdf
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston pbos...@nmt.edu
To: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com 
Cc: swr s...@caver.net; pajarito pajar...@lists.snurkle.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com wrote:



  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802



NR - MACA WNS Announcement - FINAL (1).pdf
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Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News: WNS in Mammoth Cave NP

[R D Milhollin]

I would be interested to know how long it has been since a 90% bat mortality 
rate has been observed in a cave infected with the Geomyces d. fungus.



 From: Penny Boston pbos...@nmt.edu
To: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com 
Cc: swr s...@caver.net; pajarito pajar...@lists.snurkle.net 
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2013 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Breaking News:  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP
 

Tragic. Our poor bats. It is hard to be optimistic. 

However this seems to lend additional support to the hypothesis that at this 
point the bats are the probable transmission agents rather than humans. That 
is, if what is reported here about Long Caves lack of human traffic is correct. 

Sadly,
Penny

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2013, at 11:38, Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com wrote:



  WNS in Mammoth Cave NP  Press release attached.


Peter

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802



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[Cowtown] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver newsletter

[R D Milhollin]

- Forwarded Message -
From: speleoste...@aol.com speleoste...@aol.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver 
newsletter
 

Good morning, Texas cavers,
 
Our new editor of the Texas Caver, Jill Orr, is seeking material for the 
next issue. I have volunteered to seek a couple of paragraphs from each 
grotto in Texas and have a regular column about grotto goin-ons. I just 
dashed out the two paragraphs below about my grotto. Please, would the 
chairperson of each grotto, or someone delegated by the chairperson or who just 
wants to do it, send me a couple of paragraphs about their grotto? I'd really 
like to get these by next Sunday. I'm leaving for a caving expedition to China 
on Dec. 16 and have a lot to get ready. 
 
DFW Grotto
 
The Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto is about 52 years old. It meets once a 
month at the Dallas REI on the fourth Wednesday night of the month. The 
meetings last two hours with an hour of it being business, announcements, trip 
reports, and upcoming caving trips, and an hour devoted to a presentation, 
almost always a narrated slide show. After the meeting most people go to a 
nearby Taco Cabana restaurant for fellowship and talk of caving past and 
future. 
 
Members of the DFW Grotto are conducting a project to thoroughly explore 
and map Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas, one of the dozen longest caves 
in 
the state. Its members go caving in a multitude of places such 
as Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, TAG, Kentucky, Mexico, China, 
etc. The current grotto chair is Steve Webb, with the chair-elect 
being Natasha Glasgow. Besides Steve Webb as chair in 2012, the vice 
chairperson (in charge of grotto programs) was Natasha Glasgow, secretary 
Charles Goldsmith, and treasurer Diana Tomchick. Other incoming officers are 
Jay 
Jordan - vice chairperson, Jake McLeod - secretary, and Diana Tomchick will 
remain as treasurer. 
 
Thanks for your help with this.
 
Cavingly yours,
 
Bill Steele 
 
PS - Editor Jill Orr is looking for someone with each grotto to ride herd 
on grotto members to get articles
written and sent to her. I'm going to do so for the DFW Grotto. Jake 
McLeod, if you read this, know that I'm going to ask you to write one about 
becoming a caver in Texas. You sure have done that over the past six months. 

[Cowtown] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver newsletter

[R D Milhollin]

- Forwarded Message -
From: speleoste...@aol.com speleoste...@aol.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, December 4, 2012 7:01 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Seeking Texas grotto information for the Texas Caver 
newsletter
 

Good morning, Texas cavers,
 
Our new editor of the Texas Caver, Jill Orr, is seeking material for the 
next issue. I have volunteered to seek a couple of paragraphs from each 
grotto in Texas and have a regular column about grotto goin-ons. I just 
dashed out the two paragraphs below about my grotto. Please, would the 
chairperson of each grotto, or someone delegated by the chairperson or who just 
wants to do it, send me a couple of paragraphs about their grotto? I'd really 
like to get these by next Sunday. I'm leaving for a caving expedition to China 
on Dec. 16 and have a lot to get ready. 
 
DFW Grotto
 
The Dallas-Fort Worth Grotto is about 52 years old. It meets once a 
month at the Dallas REI on the fourth Wednesday night of the month. The 
meetings last two hours with an hour of it being business, announcements, trip 
reports, and upcoming caving trips, and an hour devoted to a presentation, 
almost always a narrated slide show. After the meeting most people go to a 
nearby Taco Cabana restaurant for fellowship and talk of caving past and 
future. 
 
Members of the DFW Grotto are conducting a project to thoroughly explore 
and map Spring Creek Cave, Kendall Co., Texas, one of the dozen longest caves 
in 
the state. Its members go caving in a multitude of places such 
as Texas, Arkansas, New Mexico, Arkansas, TAG, Kentucky, Mexico, China, 
etc. The current grotto chair is Steve Webb, with the chair-elect 
being Natasha Glasgow. Besides Steve Webb as chair in 2012, the vice 
chairperson (in charge of grotto programs) was Natasha Glasgow, secretary 
Charles Goldsmith, and treasurer Diana Tomchick. Other incoming officers are 
Jay 
Jordan - vice chairperson, Jake McLeod - secretary, and Diana Tomchick will 
remain as treasurer. 
 
Thanks for your help with this.
 
Cavingly yours,
 
Bill Steele 
 
PS - Editor Jill Orr is looking for someone with each grotto to ride herd 
on grotto members to get articles
written and sent to her. I'm going to do so for the DFW Grotto. Jake 
McLeod, if you read this, know that I'm going to ask you to write one about 
becoming a caver in Texas. You sure have done that over the past six months. 

[Texascavers] Texas Parks and Wildlife Job Posting: Bat Conservation Specialist

[R D Milhollin]

Sure wish I qualified for this position.

Go to website:

http://agency.governmentjobs.com/tpwd/default.cfm


Look for CURRENT POSTINGS in box on left of page

The Job # is 13-00228

If put this number in the search: ENTER KEYWORDS blank at the bottom of the 
search criteria box you will be taken right to the job description. 

Having Jim Kennedy as a reference might help a caver land this job. Good luck.

[Texascavers] Texas Parks and Wildlife Job Posting: Bat Conservation Specialist

[R D Milhollin]

Sure wish I qualified for this position.

Go to website:

http://agency.governmentjobs.com/tpwd/default.cfm


Look for CURRENT POSTINGS in box on left of page

The Job # is 13-00228

If put this number in the search: ENTER KEYWORDS blank at the bottom of the 
search criteria box you will be taken right to the job description. 

Having Jim Kennedy as a reference might help a caver land this job. Good luck.

[Texascavers] Book Review

[R D Milhollin]

UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint

 2012, Selwa Press  978-0-97011-575-1  $12.95 PB

(from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012)

What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi 
Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging 
and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working 
stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and 
(caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum 
and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and 
fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area 
rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access 
to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites 
and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the 
beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds 
enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath 
Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding
 surface.
-Caitlin Clark

[Texascavers] Book Review

[R D Milhollin]

UNDERGROUND IN ARABIA John Pint

 2012, Selwa Press  978-0-97011-575-1  $12.95 PB

(from Saudi Aramco World Sep/Oct 2012)

What happens when an American English teacher finds his way into Saudi 
Arabia's underground? This is the story John Pint tells in a witty, engaging 
and thoroughly entertaining record of his caving adventures during working 
stints in the kingdom beginning in 1981. Pint originally traded teaching and 
(caving) in France for a job at what is now King Fahd University of Petroleum 
and Minerals in Dhahran and resumed his hobby almost immediately. Soon, he and 
fellow explorers landed a big find near Ma'aqala, north of Riyadh, in an area 
rich with dahls, a term that means a natural pit that... might provide access 
to water, Pint notes. Exploration revealed natural formations like stalactites 
and gypsum flowers, previously undocumented in Saudi caves. This was just the 
beginning of Pint's quarter-century of spelunking in the kingdom, his finds 
enthralling and paving the way for academics to study a beautiful world beneath 
Saudi Arabia's often-forbidding
 surface.
-Caitlin Clark

[Texascavers] TPWD Announces Intention to Add 461 acres to Government Canyon SNA

[R D Milhollin]

Great move by the State of Texas PWC. Thanks to all Texas cavers involved 
behind the scenes in this project.

http://tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20121108a

[Texascavers] TPWD Announces Intention to Add 461 acres to Government Canyon SNA

[R D Milhollin]

Great move by the State of Texas PWC. Thanks to all Texas cavers involved 
behind the scenes in this project.

http://tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20121108a

[Texascavers] TPWD Announces Intention to Add 461 acres to Government Canyon SNA

[R D Milhollin]

Great move by the State of Texas PWC. Thanks to all Texas cavers involved 
behind the scenes in this project.

http://tpwd.state.tx.us/newsmedia/releases/?req=20121108a

Re: [SWR] Fw: Beneath the Forest - Spring 2012 EXTERNAL VERSION

[R D Milhollin]

What an amazing publication! Thank you Jen for posting the link, and to Johanna 
for putting this newsletter together.




 From: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com
To: swr s...@caver.net 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: [SWR] Fw: Beneath the Forest - Spring 2012 EXTERNAL VERSION
 



   
Articles are due for our Spring 2013 issue, which will be our 10th issue, on 
April 1 2013 – please encourage cavers, scientists, and agency personnel 
conducting cave and karst related work within the Forest Service to submit 
articles, photos, and cave maps.  
 
For questions related to content, back issues, or submissions, please feel free 
to contact me at the information provided below – or stop by the Forest Service 
booth at the Geological Society of America conference November 5– 8  2012.
 
Thanks for your interest in Forest Service cave and karst resources!
 
cheers,
 
Johanna
Editor, Beneath the Forest
 
 
Johanna L. Kovarik 
Geology Cave and Karst Program Coordinator 
Minerals and Geology Management Centralized National Operations 
U.S. Forest Service, 740 Simms St., Golden, CO  80401 
Desk:  303-275-5378    Cell:  303-845-2119   Fax:  303-275-5122   
Email:  jkova...@fs.fed.us 
Website: http://www.fs.fed.us/geology/
 


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[Cowtown] Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016

[R D Milhollin]

- Forwarded Message -
From: Matt Bowers mat...@thirdmedia.com
To: colorado_gro...@yahoogroups.com; s...@caver.net; 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention 
in 2016
 

 
Cavers 
-
 
This media release 
went out yesterday
Please feel free to share with other NSS 
lists.
 
www.facebook.com/nss75th
Twitter: 
@nss75th
 
You can download the 
full news release at:
http://www.caves.org/region/western/nss2016/NSS2016_20121029_Media-release.pdf
 
 
--
 
For Immediate 
Release  -  October 29, 2016  16:00  EST
National 
Speleological Society
Huntsville, Alabama
Ely, Nevada selected for national cave convention

Huntsville, AL — In July of 2016, the western mining community of Ely, 
Nevada will experience an exciting population boom when over one thousand cave 
explorers from across the nation converge on the town to celebrate the 75th 
anniversary convention of the National Speleological Society. Following a 
months-long review process, the Board of Governors of the society approved a 
proposal to bring the event to Ely during their recent meeting in Florida.
 
Founded in 1941, the NSS is the largest organization in the world dedicated 
to the exploration, preservation and conservation of caves. Headquartered in 
Huntsville, Alabama, the society's 10,000 members include scientists, 
cartographers, explorers, and cave enthusiasts from the United States and 
around 
the world. The non-profit organization is a member of the American Association 
for the Advancement of Science and has nearly 250 chapters called grottos 
across the country.
 
Nevada is honored to have the National Speleological Society celebrate its 
75th anniversary in our state, Chris Moran, public relations specialist for 
the 
Nevada Commission on Tourism, said. Our beautiful desert landscape includes 
the 
Lehman Caves, among other geological wonders, and we're always excited to share 
those treasures with visiting groups.
 
Typical attendance at the week-long NSS conventions ranges between 1,000 
and 1,500 participants. However, California-based convention producer Matt 
Bowers predicts, a higher than average participation due to the 75th 
anniversary of the society in 2016. Bowers also plans to develop his marketing 
strategy to align with two other significant milestones.
 
Andrew J. Ferguson, superintendent of Nevada's Great Basin National Park 
explained, We're particularly excited that the 2016 NSS convention will align 
with our park's 30th anniversary and also the 100th anniversary of the National 
Park Service. We look forward to sharing these festivities with the 75th 
anniversary of the NSS in 2016!
 
The NSS frequently partners with federal and state agencies on cave 
resource management issues. Ferguson said, The park has a long history of 
effective cooperation with local NSS grottos on numerous recreational and 
volunteer work projects. It is our intention to support this recent effort and 
highlight the incredible caves and karst resources of the park and the 
region.
 
Internally, the NSS is divided into 15 different sections representing 
specialty interest areas of the membership. These include the pure sciences 
like 
geology, archaeology and biology, but also include a technical search and 
rescue 
section, underwater cave diving, and multiple artistic disciplines.
 
According to NSS board member Peri Frantz, An NSS convention is a unique 
event that mixes the robust outdoor activities of cave exploration, field 
trips, 
and camping with more sedate intellectual activities such as scientific 
presentations, workshops and meetings.
 
Over the past year, Bowers' production team has met with several of Ely's 
businesses and civic leaders to explore the resources available in the region. 
He said, while we haven't locked down our event footprint yet, we're confident 
that Ely and White Pine County have all the facilities and resources we need to 
pull this convention together. Bowers' team toured the convention center, 
fairgrounds and local school facilities last fall and were particularly 
impressed with the friendly nature of the city and county government.
 
The NSS actually prefers to bring our annual conventions to smaller 
towns, Bowers said. Not only are they closer to the wilderness areas our 
members explore, but, quite honestly, it's easier to do business with a 
community when you don't have to sort through a massive governmental overhead. 
Whenever I've had questions, I called Meg Rhoades at the convention center or 
Wayne Cameron at the chamber and they immediately made introductions or 
referrals.
 
Even Ely's mayor, John Hickman, has a personal connection to some of the 
area's caves. Hickman said, Most people don't realize the number of great 
caves 
we have in this area. When you include our ghost towns and other attractions, 
I'm sure 

Re: [SWR] Fw: Beneath the Forest - Spring 2012 EXTERNAL VERSION

[R D Milhollin]

What an amazing publication! Thank you Jen for posting the link, and to Johanna 
for putting this newsletter together.




 From: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com
To: swr s...@caver.net 
Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 3:40 PM
Subject: [SWR] Fw: Beneath the Forest - Spring 2012 EXTERNAL VERSION
 



   
Articles are due for our Spring 2013 issue, which will be our 10th issue, on 
April 1 2013 – please encourage cavers, scientists, and agency personnel 
conducting cave and karst related work within the Forest Service to submit 
articles, photos, and cave maps.  
 
For questions related to content, back issues, or submissions, please feel free 
to contact me at the information provided below – or stop by the Forest Service 
booth at the Geological Society of America conference November 5– 8  2012.
 
Thanks for your interest in Forest Service cave and karst resources!
 
cheers,
 
Johanna
Editor, Beneath the Forest
 
 
Johanna L. Kovarik 
Geology Cave and Karst Program Coordinator 
Minerals and Geology Management Centralized National Operations 
U.S. Forest Service, 740 Simms St., Golden, CO  80401 
Desk:  303-275-5378    Cell:  303-845-2119   Fax:  303-275-5122   
Email:  jkova...@fs.fed.us 
Website: http://www.fs.fed.us/geology/
 


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[Cowtown] Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention in 2016

[R D Milhollin]

- Forwarded Message -
From: Matt Bowers mat...@thirdmedia.com
To: colorado_gro...@yahoogroups.com; s...@caver.net; 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:14 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] Ely, Nevada selected for NSS 75th anniversary convention 
in 2016
 

 
Cavers 
-
 
This media release 
went out yesterday
Please feel free to share with other NSS 
lists.
 
www.facebook.com/nss75th
Twitter: 
@nss75th
 
You can download the 
full news release at:
http://www.caves.org/region/western/nss2016/NSS2016_20121029_Media-release.pdf
 
 
--
 
For Immediate 
Release  -  October 29, 2016  16:00  EST
National 
Speleological Society
Huntsville, Alabama
Ely, Nevada selected for national cave convention

Huntsville, AL — In July of 2016, the western mining community of Ely, 
Nevada will experience an exciting population boom when over one thousand cave 
explorers from across the nation converge on the town to celebrate the 75th 
anniversary convention of the National Speleological Society. Following a 
months-long review process, the Board of Governors of the society approved a 
proposal to bring the event to Ely during their recent meeting in Florida.
 
Founded in 1941, the NSS is the largest organization in the world dedicated 
to the exploration, preservation and conservation of caves. Headquartered in 
Huntsville, Alabama, the society's 10,000 members include scientists, 
cartographers, explorers, and cave enthusiasts from the United States and 
around 
the world. The non-profit organization is a member of the American Association 
for the Advancement of Science and has nearly 250 chapters called grottos 
across the country.
 
Nevada is honored to have the National Speleological Society celebrate its 
75th anniversary in our state, Chris Moran, public relations specialist for 
the 
Nevada Commission on Tourism, said. Our beautiful desert landscape includes 
the 
Lehman Caves, among other geological wonders, and we're always excited to share 
those treasures with visiting groups.
 
Typical attendance at the week-long NSS conventions ranges between 1,000 
and 1,500 participants. However, California-based convention producer Matt 
Bowers predicts, a higher than average participation due to the 75th 
anniversary of the society in 2016. Bowers also plans to develop his marketing 
strategy to align with two other significant milestones.
 
Andrew J. Ferguson, superintendent of Nevada's Great Basin National Park 
explained, We're particularly excited that the 2016 NSS convention will align 
with our park's 30th anniversary and also the 100th anniversary of the National 
Park Service. We look forward to sharing these festivities with the 75th 
anniversary of the NSS in 2016!
 
The NSS frequently partners with federal and state agencies on cave 
resource management issues. Ferguson said, The park has a long history of 
effective cooperation with local NSS grottos on numerous recreational and 
volunteer work projects. It is our intention to support this recent effort and 
highlight the incredible caves and karst resources of the park and the 
region.
 
Internally, the NSS is divided into 15 different sections representing 
specialty interest areas of the membership. These include the pure sciences 
like 
geology, archaeology and biology, but also include a technical search and 
rescue 
section, underwater cave diving, and multiple artistic disciplines.
 
According to NSS board member Peri Frantz, An NSS convention is a unique 
event that mixes the robust outdoor activities of cave exploration, field 
trips, 
and camping with more sedate intellectual activities such as scientific 
presentations, workshops and meetings.
 
Over the past year, Bowers' production team has met with several of Ely's 
businesses and civic leaders to explore the resources available in the region. 
He said, while we haven't locked down our event footprint yet, we're confident 
that Ely and White Pine County have all the facilities and resources we need to 
pull this convention together. Bowers' team toured the convention center, 
fairgrounds and local school facilities last fall and were particularly 
impressed with the friendly nature of the city and county government.
 
The NSS actually prefers to bring our annual conventions to smaller 
towns, Bowers said. Not only are they closer to the wilderness areas our 
members explore, but, quite honestly, it's easier to do business with a 
community when you don't have to sort through a massive governmental overhead. 
Whenever I've had questions, I called Meg Rhoades at the convention center or 
Wayne Cameron at the chamber and they immediately made introductions or 
referrals.
 
Even Ely's mayor, John Hickman, has a personal connection to some of the 
area's caves. Hickman said, Most people don't realize the number of great 
caves 
we have in this area. When you include our ghost towns and other attractions, 
I'm sure 

[Texascavers] Scary Bats!

[R D Milhollin]

This is the link to an NPR program I heard the other evening commuting back to 
Fort Worth from underwater hockey practice near Dallas. Wolfe is a researcher 
who has written an authoritative book on viruses and how they are spread, and 
specifically those in which the primary vector or reservoir includes animals. 
At one point in the interview he mentions that bats are a prolific carrier of 
diseases that can affect man, but primarily because there are such large 
numbers of bats and bat species. Don't worry though, he makes a strong point 
that eradication of the carrier or reservoir species is not the way to control 
the spread of these diseases. Another excellent interview by Terry Gross on the 
WHYY Fresh Air series.

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/12/162781027/the-man-who-tracks-viruses-before-they-spread

[Texascavers] Scary Bats!

[R D Milhollin]

This is the link to an NPR program I heard the other evening commuting back to 
Fort Worth from underwater hockey practice near Dallas. Wolfe is a researcher 
who has written an authoritative book on viruses and how they are spread, and 
specifically those in which the primary vector or reservoir includes animals. 
At one point in the interview he mentions that bats are a prolific carrier of 
diseases that can affect man, but primarily because there are such large 
numbers of bats and bat species. Don't worry though, he makes a strong point 
that eradication of the carrier or reservoir species is not the way to control 
the spread of these diseases. Another excellent interview by Terry Gross on the 
WHYY Fresh Air series.

http://www.npr.org/2012/10/12/162781027/the-man-who-tracks-viruses-before-they-spread

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar in two days--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar in two days--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar in two days--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar Next Week--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

(note to self: type this into the mobile calendar and reminder apps.)


From Meridith Hall Johnson and BatsLive program:

Hi Cavers,

 
I know you got part of this last week, but since humans and cavers in 
particular (or is it mostly just me?) tend to procrastinate, I'm sending this 
out to remind you to put this on your calendar.
 
I watched the webinar this group did on bats the other week and it was pretty 
cool. I learned a lot. 
 
I am looking forward to next Thursday night to watch this webinar. We might 
even see some caver names we recognize in the credits! 
 
Thanks and please share this email!
Meredith
 
*
From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar Next Week--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

(note to self: type this into the mobile calendar and reminder apps.)


From Meridith Hall Johnson and BatsLive program:

Hi Cavers,

 
I know you got part of this last week, but since humans and cavers in 
particular (or is it mostly just me?) tend to procrastinate, I'm sending this 
out to remind you to put this on your calendar.
 
I watched the webinar this group did on bats the other week and it was pretty 
cool. I learned a lot. 
 
I am looking forward to next Thursday night to watch this webinar. We might 
even see some caver names we recognize in the credits! 
 
Thanks and please share this email!
Meredith
 
*
From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] Cave and Karst Webinar Next Week--Not Just for Teachers!

[R D Milhollin]

(note to self: type this into the mobile calendar and reminder apps.)


From Meridith Hall Johnson and BatsLive program:

Hi Cavers,

 
I know you got part of this last week, but since humans and cavers in 
particular (or is it mostly just me?) tend to procrastinate, I'm sending this 
out to remind you to put this on your calendar.
 
I watched the webinar this group did on bats the other week and it was pretty 
cool. I learned a lot. 
 
I am looking forward to next Thursday night to watch this webinar. We might 
even see some caver names we recognize in the credits! 
 
Thanks and please share this email!
Meredith
 
*
From Carol Zokaites:
 
This is a reminder about the Cave and Karst webinar through the BatsLive 
program. The webinar will be Oct. 11 at 7 pm eastern time. This will be an 
excellent program on the hydrology, geology, biology and paleontology in karst 
systems along with some of the hazards and human impacts discussed in Ecology 
and Environmental Science classes. http://www.batslive.pwnet.org/ 
 
Virginia has 27 karst counties, the western part of the state in the Valley and 
Ridge, so this is good information for everyone to know.  Rivers leading to the 
Chesapeake Bay start in and flow through karst topography.  This webinar will 
be great to use in Project Underground workshops, the power points will be on 
the BatsLive website for use in the future. If you missed the Bat Flight 
fieldtrip last month it is on the web now. 
 
The Virginia Department of Conservation and Recreation and Virginia State Parks 
are  partners in this program along with Project Underground, Prince William 
County Public Schools and the U.S. Forest Service and several others. 
 
Below is a memo about the program. Please pass this information along to 
others. 
 
Carol Zokaites
Project Underground Coordinator and 
Chief of Environmental Education 
DCR and Virignia State Parks 
Christiansburg, VA 24073
540-553-6865
carol.zokai...@dcr.virginia.gov
 
Please join the Forest Service, Project Underground, and Mammoth Cave 
International Center for Science and Learning on Thursday, October 11th, 
7:00-8:30 p.m. ET, to experience the dark underground world that exists right 
beneath our feet.  Caves and other karst features are home to an array of 
unusual and rare animal species, including some that are in danger of becoming 
extinct!  And, within the depths of caves we find the remains of ancient life 
such as saber toothed cats, short-faced bears, and giant ground sloths - some 
of the largest mammals to ever walk the planet.
 
BatsLIVE is hosting a free web seminar, “Caves and Karst - The World Beneath 
our Feet” for teachers, non-formal educators, and adults as part of BatsLIVE: A 
Distance Learning Adventure.  Join us to learn more about karst topography and 
the many adaptations that life has made to exist in this dark environment, how 
caves are connected to the surface, how what we do aboveground can impact these 
fragile ecosystems, and how studying cave fossils may help us protect 
endangered bats.
 
This program is interactive and educators will be able to send in their 
questions by e-mail to be answered by experts!
Go to http://batslive.pwnet.org/to register and become part of the BatsLIVE 
family! 
 
Thanks,
Cynthia M. Sandeno, National Cave and Karst Coordinator
Monongahela National Forest200 Sycamore Street
Elkins, WV  26241 
304-636-1800 ext. 194

[Texascavers] NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!

[R D Milhollin]

All,



The NSS 2013 Convention is now Live and finally Breathing.  It can be 
accessed either through the NSS homepage or directly at www.2013.com

Regards, 


Christopher Catherman, CAVR
mar_...@yahoo.com
caveva...@yahoo.com

2013 NSS Convention -IT Manager
MAR NSS  -Website Administrator,     www.caves.org/region/mar/
Nittany Grotto -Website Administrator,    www.caves.org/grotto/nittany/
Pennsylvania Cave Conservancy (PCC) -Vice President
NSS #48062
NG  #1711
 

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To:  
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!
 

NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 
  
  



The 2013 NSS Convention website is LIVE and can be accessed from the NSS 
homepage!
 
http://www.caves.org
 
Please take some time to look it over - what
is available on the website. We are still waiting for the pricing on the new 
air-conditioned
dorms which will be completed in February.  We anticipate the price will
be ~$30 per day per person. Each room has two beds and a bathroom.  There
are also suites with four beds, two bathrooms and a common kitchen/sitting
area.  The rates for rooms and meal passes will be posted as soon as we
receive an update from the university.  Don't let this stop you from
registering!  Register now and you can update your registration with these
additions later.
 
Many of you may have heard that you will
not be allowed to have your vehicle at your tent site.  This is true.
 Camping will be on the student athletic field and the ground is
soft.  In the unlikely event of rain, we would not want you to get stuck.
 Your vehicle will be in one of three lots very close to the field.
 If you are “tin tenting,” spaces along the grassy apron will be available
to you for setting up a canopy.  We will have carts  volunteers to
help you transport your gear to and from your vehicles.  Once your camp is
set up, you will be within a five-minute walk of all the daily events.
 
There
is a misconception going around that we will not have adult beverages at the
2013 Convention.  You know how rumors can get out of control, and this one
did with a vengeance.  That being said, there are a few caveats:  If
you are lodging in a dorm, you can have them in your rooms, but not in the
hallways.  If you are camping, no one will be checking on what you have at
your campsite.  However, they are not permitted on the campus property.
 These are university rules and they are nothing new to us; we have had
this sort of restriction at a lot of previous conventions.  The campus
food service will be providing the adult beverages in permitted areas and at
the evening events.

A meal pass will be for sale.  This will get you 10 total meals, which
includes breakfasts and lunches - for a rate less that those without the
tickets.  The cafeteria will have both hot and cold meals.  They can
also cater to Vegans.  Once in the food hall you can have all you care to
eat.

Only service animals will be permitted on campus.

The staff is looking forward to seeing you at the 2013 NSS Convention and we
all are planning for a great event!
 
-Craig
 
Craig
Hindman, NSS 2013 Convention Co-Chairman  

National Speleological Society
2813 Cave Ave
Huntsville, Alabama 35810
US

   
  





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[Texascavers] NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!

[R D Milhollin]

All,



The NSS 2013 Convention is now Live and finally Breathing.  It can be 
accessed either through the NSS homepage or directly at www.2013.com

Regards, 


Christopher Catherman, CAVR
mar_...@yahoo.com
caveva...@yahoo.com

2013 NSS Convention -IT Manager
MAR NSS  -Website Administrator,     www.caves.org/region/mar/
Nittany Grotto -Website Administrator,    www.caves.org/grotto/nittany/
Pennsylvania Cave Conservancy (PCC) -Vice President
NSS #48062
NG  #1711
 

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From: National Speleological Society - Convention 2013

To:  
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!
 

NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 
  
  



The 2013 NSS Convention website is LIVE and can be accessed from the NSS 
homepage!
 
http://www.caves.org
 
Please take some time to look it over - what
is available on the website. We are still waiting for the pricing on the new 
air-conditioned
dorms which will be completed in February.  We anticipate the price will
be ~$30 per day per person. Each room has two beds and a bathroom.  There
are also suites with four beds, two bathrooms and a common kitchen/sitting
area.  The rates for rooms and meal passes will be posted as soon as we
receive an update from the university.  Don't let this stop you from
registering!  Register now and you can update your registration with these
additions later.
 
Many of you may have heard that you will
not be allowed to have your vehicle at your tent site.  This is true.
 Camping will be on the student athletic field and the ground is
soft.  In the unlikely event of rain, we would not want you to get stuck.
 Your vehicle will be in one of three lots very close to the field.
 If you are “tin tenting,” spaces along the grassy apron will be available
to you for setting up a canopy.  We will have carts  volunteers to
help you transport your gear to and from your vehicles.  Once your camp is
set up, you will be within a five-minute walk of all the daily events.
 
There
is a misconception going around that we will not have adult beverages at the
2013 Convention.  You know how rumors can get out of control, and this one
did with a vengeance.  That being said, there are a few caveats:  If
you are lodging in a dorm, you can have them in your rooms, but not in the
hallways.  If you are camping, no one will be checking on what you have at
your campsite.  However, they are not permitted on the campus property.
 These are university rules and they are nothing new to us; we have had
this sort of restriction at a lot of previous conventions.  The campus
food service will be providing the adult beverages in permitted areas and at
the evening events.

A meal pass will be for sale.  This will get you 10 total meals, which
includes breakfasts and lunches - for a rate less that those without the
tickets.  The cafeteria will have both hot and cold meals.  They can
also cater to Vegans.  Once in the food hall you can have all you care to
eat.

Only service animals will be permitted on campus.

The staff is looking forward to seeing you at the 2013 NSS Convention and we
all are planning for a great event!
 
-Craig
 
Craig
Hindman, NSS 2013 Convention Co-Chairman  

National Speleological Society
2813 Cave Ave
Huntsville, Alabama 35810
US

   
  





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[Texascavers] NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!

[R D Milhollin]

All,



The NSS 2013 Convention is now Live and finally Breathing.  It can be 
accessed either through the NSS homepage or directly at www.2013.com

Regards, 


Christopher Catherman, CAVR
mar_...@yahoo.com
caveva...@yahoo.com

2013 NSS Convention -IT Manager
MAR NSS  -Website Administrator,     www.caves.org/region/mar/
Nittany Grotto -Website Administrator,    www.caves.org/grotto/nittany/
Pennsylvania Cave Conservancy (PCC) -Vice President
NSS #48062
NG  #1711
 

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From: National Speleological Society - Convention 2013

To:  
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 4:58 PM
Subject: NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE!
 

NSS 2013 Convention Website is LIVE! 
  
Click to view this email in a browser 
  
  



The 2013 NSS Convention website is LIVE and can be accessed from the NSS 
homepage!
 
http://www.caves.org
 
Please take some time to look it over - what
is available on the website. We are still waiting for the pricing on the new 
air-conditioned
dorms which will be completed in February.  We anticipate the price will
be ~$30 per day per person. Each room has two beds and a bathroom.  There
are also suites with four beds, two bathrooms and a common kitchen/sitting
area.  The rates for rooms and meal passes will be posted as soon as we
receive an update from the university.  Don't let this stop you from
registering!  Register now and you can update your registration with these
additions later.
 
Many of you may have heard that you will
not be allowed to have your vehicle at your tent site.  This is true.
 Camping will be on the student athletic field and the ground is
soft.  In the unlikely event of rain, we would not want you to get stuck.
 Your vehicle will be in one of three lots very close to the field.
 If you are “tin tenting,” spaces along the grassy apron will be available
to you for setting up a canopy.  We will have carts  volunteers to
help you transport your gear to and from your vehicles.  Once your camp is
set up, you will be within a five-minute walk of all the daily events.
 
There
is a misconception going around that we will not have adult beverages at the
2013 Convention.  You know how rumors can get out of control, and this one
did with a vengeance.  That being said, there are a few caveats:  If
you are lodging in a dorm, you can have them in your rooms, but not in the
hallways.  If you are camping, no one will be checking on what you have at
your campsite.  However, they are not permitted on the campus property.
 These are university rules and they are nothing new to us; we have had
this sort of restriction at a lot of previous conventions.  The campus
food service will be providing the adult beverages in permitted areas and at
the evening events.

A meal pass will be for sale.  This will get you 10 total meals, which
includes breakfasts and lunches - for a rate less that those without the
tickets.  The cafeteria will have both hot and cold meals.  They can
also cater to Vegans.  Once in the food hall you can have all you care to
eat.

Only service animals will be permitted on campus.

The staff is looking forward to seeing you at the 2013 NSS Convention and we
all are planning for a great event!
 
-Craig
 
Craig
Hindman, NSS 2013 Convention Co-Chairman  

National Speleological Society
2813 Cave Ave
Huntsville, Alabama 35810
US

   
  





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Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland

[R D Milhollin]

Have you checked the NSS Members mManual or the caves.org web page?

There are 4 grottos listed: 

Baltimore Grotto in Fulton
Frederick Grotto in Westminister
Sligo Grotto in Millers
Western Maryland Grotto in Meyersdale

If you are in the Baltimore area contact me off list and I will give you a 
personal contact to get hold of.

Have fun up there
RD



 From: Lissa Talkington lissa_000...@yahoo.com
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 11:45 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Looking for a grotto in Maryland
 

Hey all,
  Just thought I'd ask on the off chance any of you know someone in a grotto in 
the Baltimore Maryland area? We just moved here from Texas and are missing 
caving !


Thanks,
  Melissa

[Texascavers] Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The US

[R D Milhollin]

Surprising that this has not been done before. Goo thing the NSS has been 
gathering data over the years.



Original from: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net
Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The
United States
Outside
Thursday, September 13, 2012

..The incident had at least two major effects in the world of
caving. The first was local. Officials closed Nutty Putty Cave to future
expeditions. The second began at the University of Virginia Medical
School. Doctors looking for numbers on caving deaths and accidents found
little in the way of scientific studies, so they decided to write their
own paper. “That had us all thinking about caving safety,” says study
co-author Dr. Nathan Charlton. “There is very little hard data out there
regarding the epidemiology of injuries and fatalities in caves. We
thought it would be important information for our area as there are a lot
of caves in the region.”

Charlton and colleagues gathered the National Speleological Society’s
annual American Caving Accidents publications from 1980 to 2008 and
started going through them. The numbers were not definitive, as the
organization relies on rescue groups, law enforcement, and local grottoes
to file volunteer reports. The numbers did represent the best dataset
available, and Charlton and his team analyzed them. The resulting study,
“The Epidemiology of Caving Accidents in the United States,” was
published in the September issue of Wilderness and Environmental
Medicine. It is the most comprehensive look at caving deaths, injuries,
and rescues to date. Here is what Fletcher and his colleagues found, by
the numbers.

Read on:
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/exploring-caving-accidents-deaths-and-rescues-in-the-united-states.html?169663286
 

[Texascavers] Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The US

[R D Milhollin]

Surprising that this has not been done before. Goo thing the NSS has been 
gathering data over the years.



Original from: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net
Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The
United States
Outside
Thursday, September 13, 2012

..The incident had at least two major effects in the world of
caving. The first was local. Officials closed Nutty Putty Cave to future
expeditions. The second began at the University of Virginia Medical
School. Doctors looking for numbers on caving deaths and accidents found
little in the way of scientific studies, so they decided to write their
own paper. “That had us all thinking about caving safety,” says study
co-author Dr. Nathan Charlton. “There is very little hard data out there
regarding the epidemiology of injuries and fatalities in caves. We
thought it would be important information for our area as there are a lot
of caves in the region.”

Charlton and colleagues gathered the National Speleological Society’s
annual American Caving Accidents publications from 1980 to 2008 and
started going through them. The numbers were not definitive, as the
organization relies on rescue groups, law enforcement, and local grottoes
to file volunteer reports. The numbers did represent the best dataset
available, and Charlton and his team analyzed them. The resulting study,
“The Epidemiology of Caving Accidents in the United States,” was
published in the September issue of Wilderness and Environmental
Medicine. It is the most comprehensive look at caving deaths, injuries,
and rescues to date. Here is what Fletcher and his colleagues found, by
the numbers.

Read on:
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/exploring-caving-accidents-deaths-and-rescues-in-the-united-states.html?169663286
 

[Texascavers] Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The US

[R D Milhollin]

Surprising that this has not been done before. Goo thing the NSS has been 
gathering data over the years.



Original from: Cheryl Jones cheryl.ca...@verizon.net
Exploring Caving Accidents, Deaths, And Rescues In The
United States
Outside
Thursday, September 13, 2012

..The incident had at least two major effects in the world of
caving. The first was local. Officials closed Nutty Putty Cave to future
expeditions. The second began at the University of Virginia Medical
School. Doctors looking for numbers on caving deaths and accidents found
little in the way of scientific studies, so they decided to write their
own paper. “That had us all thinking about caving safety,” says study
co-author Dr. Nathan Charlton. “There is very little hard data out there
regarding the epidemiology of injuries and fatalities in caves. We
thought it would be important information for our area as there are a lot
of caves in the region.”

Charlton and colleagues gathered the National Speleological Society’s
annual American Caving Accidents publications from 1980 to 2008 and
started going through them. The numbers were not definitive, as the
organization relies on rescue groups, law enforcement, and local grottoes
to file volunteer reports. The numbers did represent the best dataset
available, and Charlton and his team analyzed them. The resulting study,
“The Epidemiology of Caving Accidents in the United States,” was
published in the September issue of Wilderness and Environmental
Medicine. It is the most comprehensive look at caving deaths, injuries,
and rescues to date. Here is what Fletcher and his colleagues found, by
the numbers.

Read on:
http://www.outsideonline.com/blog/outdoor-adventure/exploring-caving-accidents-deaths-and-rescues-in-the-united-states.html?169663286
 

[Allcavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate

[R D Milhollin]

Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter 
Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the 
mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the 
center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a 
wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
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[Allcavers] Bats in North Dallas: NBC News Local Affiliate

[R D Milhollin]

Short story that made the nbcnews.com feed tonight, written by local reporter 
Kevin Cokely. I find it hard to believe this is the first reference in the 
mainstream media to the positive effects of urban bat populations from the 
center of the West Nile Virus (North American) Universe. This should be a 
wakeup call for more bat houses and bat-friendly infrastructure.


http://www.nbcnews.com/id/49013703/ns/local_news-dallas_fort_worth_tx/#.UFFpK0KyxGM
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[Cowtown] NCRC Regional (Levels I + II) at CBSP, February 9-16, 2013

[R D Milhollin]

South Central Region National Cave Rescue Commission Seminar

This is a big production for serious cavers interested in learning advanced 
techniques. The rescue techniques are good for a lot of non-rescue caving 
applications. The poster for the event is attached and is also accessible at:

http://www.caves.org/commission/ncrc/national/NCRC_2013_mailout_SCRegion.pdf


This event has been added to the Cowtown Grotto Website Calendar at:

http://cowtowngrotto.org/news.php


By the way, the September meeting is next week, we need a quorum to conduct 
business that could result in most future business being done online, freeing 
up meeting time for trip announcements and reports, and programs. Be there!

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[Cowtown] NCRC Regional (Levels I + II) at CBSP, February 9-16, 2013

[R D Milhollin]

South Central Region National Cave Rescue Commission Seminar

This is a big production for serious cavers interested in learning advanced 
techniques. The rescue techniques are good for a lot of non-rescue caving 
applications. The poster for the event is attached and is also accessible at:

http://www.caves.org/commission/ncrc/national/NCRC_2013_mailout_SCRegion.pdf


This event has been added to the Cowtown Grotto Website Calendar at:

http://cowtowngrotto.org/news.php


By the way, the September meeting is next week, we need a quorum to conduct 
business that could result in most future business being done online, freeing 
up meeting time for trip announcements and reports, and programs. Be there!

Have you LIKED Cowtown Grotto on FaceBook yet?

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[Cowtown] NCRC Regional (Levels I + II) at CBSP, February 9-16, 2013

[R D Milhollin]

South Central Region National Cave Rescue Commission Seminar

This is a big production for serious cavers interested in learning advanced 
techniques. The rescue techniques are good for a lot of non-rescue caving 
applications. The poster for the event is attached and is also accessible at:

http://www.caves.org/commission/ncrc/national/NCRC_2013_mailout_SCRegion.pdf


This event has been added to the Cowtown Grotto Website Calendar at:

http://cowtowngrotto.org/news.php


By the way, the September meeting is next week, we need a quorum to conduct 
business that could result in most future business being done online, freeing 
up meeting time for trip announcements and reports, and programs. Be there!

Have you LIKED Cowtown Grotto on FaceBook yet?

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[Cowtown] NCRC Regional (Levels I + II) at CBSP, February 9-16, 2013

[R D Milhollin]

National Cave Rescue Commission Course at Colorado Bend State Park

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RD

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[R D Milhollin]

National Cave Rescue Commission Course at Colorado Bend State Park

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RD

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[R D Milhollin]

National Cave Rescue Commission Course at Colorado Bend State Park

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RD

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Re: [Texascavers] carbide lamps

[R D Milhollin]

I have about a half barrel of that rock-grade carbide that has been kept col 
and dry for a few years. Contact off list if you are looking for  some.



 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] carbide lamps
 
And Windy City Grotto used to buy Justrite cap lamps from the factory in 
Chicago for $2.85 each. Of course, back then handled ascenders (Jumars) cost 
$18.50 for two. I guess $2.85 in 1962 isn't all that different from today's 
price of $29.95 for a perfectly adequate LED caving light. Presumably the 
people who pay ten times that or more for a Stenlight or a Scurion are also the 
sort of people who pay $100 for caving pants instead of wearing worn-out street 
clothes.

Within the last couple of years I've seen a semi-trailer carrying huge 
containers of calcium carbide--maybe a ton each, presumably to some metal 
fabricator. If you do a _lot_ of welding or cutting, that might still be the 
most economical way to get acetylene. After it became hard to find small cans 
in rural hardware stores (the main market for carbide cap lamps was coon 
hunters), the UT Grotto used to buy hundred-pound drums from Bob and Bob. To 
avoid the high shipping charge, I'd pick up a drum at NSS conventions, by 
prearrangement with Bob, and haul it back to Texas.

Getting cold is not usually a problem in most Texas caves if you can get out of 
the water, but generally I'd recommend that any electric caver carry a couple 
of good stout candles, a lighter in a waterproof container, and a platic 
garbage bag. I've once or twice spent many cozy hours that way waiting for the 
rest of a party to return and pick me up after I've wimped out on some hairy 
traverse.
-- Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] carbide lamps

[R D Milhollin]

I have about a half barrel of that rock-grade carbide that has been kept col 
and dry for a few years. Contact off list if you are looking for  some.



 From: Mixon Bill bmixon...@austin.rr.com
To: Cavers Texas texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:45 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] carbide lamps
 
And Windy City Grotto used to buy Justrite cap lamps from the factory in 
Chicago for $2.85 each. Of course, back then handled ascenders (Jumars) cost 
$18.50 for two. I guess $2.85 in 1962 isn't all that different from today's 
price of $29.95 for a perfectly adequate LED caving light. Presumably the 
people who pay ten times that or more for a Stenlight or a Scurion are also the 
sort of people who pay $100 for caving pants instead of wearing worn-out street 
clothes.

Within the last couple of years I've seen a semi-trailer carrying huge 
containers of calcium carbide--maybe a ton each, presumably to some metal 
fabricator. If you do a _lot_ of welding or cutting, that might still be the 
most economical way to get acetylene. After it became hard to find small cans 
in rural hardware stores (the main market for carbide cap lamps was coon 
hunters), the UT Grotto used to buy hundred-pound drums from Bob and Bob. To 
avoid the high shipping charge, I'd pick up a drum at NSS conventions, by 
prearrangement with Bob, and haul it back to Texas.

Getting cold is not usually a problem in most Texas caves if you can get out of 
the water, but generally I'd recommend that any electric caver carry a couple 
of good stout candles, a lighter in a waterproof container, and a platic 
garbage bag. I've once or twice spent many cozy hours that way waiting for the 
rest of a party to return and pick me up after I've wimped out on some hairy 
traverse.
-- Mixon

[Cowtown] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[R D Milhollin]

Anyone interested in this trip? Wetsuits will be necessary for the HC trips, 
the pits and small caves will require survey skills. There is the possibility 
of CO2 levels that could slow down teams, but given the cool weather recently, 
and assuming lower than seasonal temps between now and then, it might not be 
too bad. 

I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 
6-7.  There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves 
on the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly 
tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back 
to check it out.

 
Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.
 
Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.
 
Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

[Cowtown] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[R D Milhollin]

Anyone interested in this trip? Wetsuits will be necessary for the HC trips, 
the pits and small caves will require survey skills. There is the possibility 
of CO2 levels that could slow down teams, but given the cool weather recently, 
and assuming lower than seasonal temps between now and then, it might not be 
too bad. 

I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 
6-7.  There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves 
on the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly 
tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back 
to check it out.

 
Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.
 
Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.
 
Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

[Cowtown] Honeycreek trip Oct 6-7

[R D Milhollin]

Anyone interested in this trip? Wetsuits will be necessary for the HC trips, 
the pits and small caves will require survey skills. There is the possibility 
of CO2 levels that could slow down teams, but given the cool weather recently, 
and assuming lower than seasonal temps between now and then, it might not be 
too bad. 

I received the OK from the Honeycreek property owner to have a trip October 
6-7.  There are several objectives including surveying a few of the other caves 
on the property.  Two are fairly small, and the other is a series of fairly 
tight pits, with a lead that was blasted in the 80’s but no one has been back 
to check it out.

 
Andy Glusencamp is also heading up a study of the Biology on the property.  
He’s putting together teams to do collections in several caves on the property. 
 Contact Andy if you want to help out with that project.
 
Honeycreek cave will also be open to those wishing to do survey trips, through 
trips, or other recreational trips.  Trips to the spring entrance will be 
restricted until Andy finishes his work in that area.
 
Camping will be available Friday and Saturday nights.

Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

[R D Milhollin]

Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave.


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



 From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
To: bigredfo...@yahoo.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



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To: swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

[R D Milhollin]

Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave.


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



 From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
To: bigredfo...@yahoo.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



-Original Message-
From: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com
To: swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation

[R D Milhollin]

Perhaps the new report to be presented will help to substantiate the statement 
in the article:

The disease’s spores can hitchhike on visitors’ footwear and clothing and 
spread from cave-to-cave.


Maybe I am not up to date on this but I don't remember this assertion being 
verified to date.



 From: germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com
To: bigredfo...@yahoo.com; s...@caver.net 
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 10:54 AM
Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation
 


I look forward to hearing about their findings.  Until this article, I was 
unaware that research on WNS is being conducted in lava tubes.  Very cool.  

Thanks for posting.  I hope some of y'all can attend if for no other reason 
that show support for their efforts. Be sure to wear some kind of caver logo 
clothing.

julia



-Original Message-
From: Jen. bigredfo...@yahoo.com
To: swr s...@caver.net
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 9:18 am
Subject: [SWR] Fw: El Malpais WNS presentation


In case anyone needs something to do this weekend.


http://www.cibolabeacon.com/news/researchers-present-findings-on-el-malpais-bat-disease/article_3451be88-e80d-11e1-98c4-0019bb2963f4.html___
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[Texascavers] Study of kissing bugs for Chagus parasites in Texas.

[R D Milhollin]

I also tried to post last week to cavetex last week and got bounced off. 

Here is another resource dealing with Chagas disease from one of my graduate 
professors at UTA:

http://www.uta.edu/chagas/html/chagBiog.html


RD



 

Folks,

Two medical researchers at Baylor University (Dr. Hotez and Dr. Murray) are 
interested in studying Triatomine Bugs (Kissing bug/Cone-nose Bug/Vinchuca) 
for Trypanosama cruzi.  This is the parasite that causes Chagus Disease in 
dogs and humans.  There is some discussion in the medical field whether Chagus 
has been transmitted to humans south Texas or whether most of the Chagus 
causes are representative of folks immigrating in from down south.  It has 
certainly been present in dogs and has resulted in a number of deaths in dogs. 
This is a pretty nasty disease and I've been told is responsible for about 
half of the heart transplant needs in Central and South America.  It causes 
all kinds of other health issues also.

Anyway, the kissing bug is pretty common in south central Texas and I caught 
four of them in the Deep Cabin last weekend.  One had taken a blood meal (not 
good). They were shipped off for testing. I've also seen two bites on the Deep 
and Punkin Nature preserve property for kissing bugs.  The researchers are 
asking for folks to collect kissing bugs and submit them for testing.  Since 
cavers are commonly out and about and have their nose to the ground, I thought 
I would ask if anyone is interesting in helping with the study.  All you have 
to do is collect the bugs, fill out a short form, and send it in to the 
research along with the bug.  Here are two links on Chagus.  The bug can be 
dead or alive but not smushed. The links also include some pictures of the bug 
as they are around an inch or less long and have a real pointy nose.  Maybe we 
should rethink sleeping out without a tent or netting.

If you would like to participate, please send me an email and I'll send you 
the address and other information.


http://www.allaboutchagasdisease.com/

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

[Texascavers] Study of kissing bugs for Chagus parasites in Texas.

[R D Milhollin]

I also tried to post last week to cavetex last week and got bounced off. 

Here is another resource dealing with Chagas disease from one of my graduate 
professors at UTA:

http://www.uta.edu/chagas/html/chagBiog.html


RD



 

Folks,

Two medical researchers at Baylor University (Dr. Hotez and Dr. Murray) are 
interested in studying Triatomine Bugs (Kissing bug/Cone-nose Bug/Vinchuca) 
for Trypanosama cruzi.  This is the parasite that causes Chagus Disease in 
dogs and humans.  There is some discussion in the medical field whether Chagus 
has been transmitted to humans south Texas or whether most of the Chagus 
causes are representative of folks immigrating in from down south.  It has 
certainly been present in dogs and has resulted in a number of deaths in dogs. 
This is a pretty nasty disease and I've been told is responsible for about 
half of the heart transplant needs in Central and South America.  It causes 
all kinds of other health issues also.

Anyway, the kissing bug is pretty common in south central Texas and I caught 
four of them in the Deep Cabin last weekend.  One had taken a blood meal (not 
good). They were shipped off for testing. I've also seen two bites on the Deep 
and Punkin Nature preserve property for kissing bugs.  The researchers are 
asking for folks to collect kissing bugs and submit them for testing.  Since 
cavers are commonly out and about and have their nose to the ground, I thought 
I would ask if anyone is interesting in helping with the study.  All you have 
to do is collect the bugs, fill out a short form, and send it in to the 
research along with the bug.  Here are two links on Chagus.  The bug can be 
dead or alive but not smushed. The links also include some pictures of the bug 
as they are around an inch or less long and have a real pointy nose.  Maybe we 
should rethink sleeping out without a tent or netting.

If you would like to participate, please send me an email and I'll send you 
the address and other information.


http://www.allaboutchagasdisease.com/

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

[Texascavers] Study of kissing bugs for Chagus parasites in Texas.

[R D Milhollin]

I also tried to post last week to cavetex last week and got bounced off. 

Here is another resource dealing with Chagas disease from one of my graduate 
professors at UTA:

http://www.uta.edu/chagas/html/chagBiog.html


RD



 

Folks,

Two medical researchers at Baylor University (Dr. Hotez and Dr. Murray) are 
interested in studying Triatomine Bugs (Kissing bug/Cone-nose Bug/Vinchuca) 
for Trypanosama cruzi.  This is the parasite that causes Chagus Disease in 
dogs and humans.  There is some discussion in the medical field whether Chagus 
has been transmitted to humans south Texas or whether most of the Chagus 
causes are representative of folks immigrating in from down south.  It has 
certainly been present in dogs and has resulted in a number of deaths in dogs. 
This is a pretty nasty disease and I've been told is responsible for about 
half of the heart transplant needs in Central and South America.  It causes 
all kinds of other health issues also.

Anyway, the kissing bug is pretty common in south central Texas and I caught 
four of them in the Deep Cabin last weekend.  One had taken a blood meal (not 
good). They were shipped off for testing. I've also seen two bites on the Deep 
and Punkin Nature preserve property for kissing bugs.  The researchers are 
asking for folks to collect kissing bugs and submit them for testing.  Since 
cavers are commonly out and about and have their nose to the ground, I thought 
I would ask if anyone is interesting in helping with the study.  All you have 
to do is collect the bugs, fill out a short form, and send it in to the 
research along with the bug.  Here are two links on Chagus.  The bug can be 
dead or alive but not smushed. The links also include some pictures of the bug 
as they are around an inch or less long and have a real pointy nose.  Maybe we 
should rethink sleeping out without a tent or netting.

If you would like to participate, please send me an email and I'll send you 
the address and other information.


http://www.allaboutchagasdisease.com/

http://www.cdc.gov/parasites/chagas/

Thanks,

Geary Schindel

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[R D Milhollin]

I have eaten rats in a tomato and chile stew in San Luis Potosi - delicioso. 

I envy those snakes.



 From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com 
Cc: tmrai...@amcs.org tmrai...@amcs.org; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
 

Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats.  I've skinned, gutted, 
defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most 
appetizing snake for food.   Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good 
and the boneless backstraps are huge.  Still, the eats rats thing. .

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[R D Milhollin]

I have eaten rats in a tomato and chile stew in San Luis Potosi - delicioso. 

I envy those snakes.



 From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com 
Cc: tmrai...@amcs.org tmrai...@amcs.org; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
 

Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats.  I've skinned, gutted, 
defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most 
appetizing snake for food.   Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good 
and the boneless backstraps are huge.  Still, the eats rats thing. .

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes

[R D Milhollin]

I have eaten rats in a tomato and chile stew in San Luis Potosi - delicioso. 

I envy those snakes.



 From: Andy Gluesenkamp andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: wesley s mudmal...@hotmail.com 
Cc: tmrai...@amcs.org tmrai...@amcs.org; texascavers@texascavers.com 
texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2012 4:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Poor little rattlesnakes
 

Tastes like stringy fish that had been eating rats.  I've skinned, gutted, 
defleshed, and skeletonized about a hundred of them and they are not the most 
appetizing snake for food.   Fresh boa or python looks and smells pretty good 
and the boneless backstraps are huge.  Still, the eats rats thing. .

[Texascavers] CBS WFAA Ch. 8 (DFW) Story on WNS and Bracken Cave

[R D Milhollin]

http://www.wfaa.com/news/texas-news/Bats-threatened-by-mysterious-disease-150833365.html