Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
>From the park directly...This is simply not true. Take a joke, not from >us...CCNP. Karen --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures To: s...@caver.net Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:58 AM Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
>From the park directly...This is simply not true. Take a joke, not from >us...CCNP. Karen --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures To: s...@caver.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:58 AM Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
>From the park directly...This is simply not true. Take a joke, not from >us...CCNP. Karen --- On Fri, 4/29/11, Bill Bentley wrote: From: Bill Bentley Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures To: s...@caver.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Friday, April 29, 2011, 8:58 AM Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Maybe we need a snopes for cave stories? I think this was a made in jest, in fact I know it was... enjoy the occasional levity... Bill - Original Message - From: "Carl Pagano" To: ; Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Aaron. Please clarify thisthey actually installed misters of 409 in the cave? This doesn't seem probable. Does it get on people? There are a host of problems with people being "misted" with 409. Also, if it really is true, what about the cave biota in general? I guess there must be sacrifices.. This does seem incredulous at best, and dumber than dumb if it is true. Carl. On Apr 28, 2011, at 9:16 PM, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Tell me u r joking. Although frankly I have largely lost my sense of humor on the subject. Penny Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 23:16, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Tell me u r joking. Although frankly I have largely lost my sense of humor on the subject. Penny Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 23:16, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Tell me u r joking. Although frankly I have largely lost my sense of humor on the subject. Penny Sent from my iPhone On Apr 28, 2011, at 23:16, aaronjst...@hotmail.com wrote: > The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner > Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of > water, these will be spraying 409. > > Aaron > Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® > > -Original Message- > From: Larry Pardue > Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net > Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 > To: jennifer > Cc: > Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
On 04/28/2011 20:21, Larry Pardue wrote: Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue Can't let making money and entertaining tourists be sidetracked by pseudo-science and kneejerking. Of course, since there is absolutely no evidence of WNS in NM nor anywhere near here, nor humans being even remotely proven a proximate cause of spread, we finally have a cave not being closed by this hysteria, though not for the right reasons. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
On 04/28/2011 20:21, Larry Pardue wrote: Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue Can't let making money and entertaining tourists be sidetracked by pseudo-science and kneejerking. Of course, since there is absolutely no evidence of WNS in NM nor anywhere near here, nor humans being even remotely proven a proximate cause of spread, we finally have a cave not being closed by this hysteria, though not for the right reasons. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
On 04/28/2011 20:21, Larry Pardue wrote: Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue Can't let making money and entertaining tourists be sidetracked by pseudo-science and kneejerking. Of course, since there is absolutely no evidence of WNS in NM nor anywhere near here, nor humans being even remotely proven a proximate cause of spread, we finally have a cave not being closed by this hysteria, though not for the right reasons. ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
The main cave won't be a problem. Following in the footsteps of Kartchner Caverns, the NPS has installed "misters" throughout the cave. Instead of water, these will be spraying 409. Aaron Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: Larry Pardue Sender: swr-boun...@caver.net List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2011 20:21:21 To: jennifer Cc: Subject: Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I bet the world that they won't do it because of economic reasons. Can you imagine the uproar in that southern New Mexico City if that happened? But,. seriously, I am trying hard to think positive here, and am hoping for the most altruistic of outcomes, that of bats vs. economics, if indeed closing caves is proven to be the way to limit the spread of WNS. It could involve some economic hardship there if that happened. Lake is remote, with lots of bats and a water source in the cave, and Ogle of course is Ranger Guided. I wonder if they will close New (Slaughter) Cave too. Not sure where Goat Cave is. What about adjacent caves on BLM and Forest service lands with bats in them? Yellow Jacket comes to mind. I remember a bat gate being put in some years ago. .. Of course, we could just ask the bats to pick a cave and stay in it, and not move around a lot..or in the big cave, to not use the public entrance when they leave in the evening and stay in their own part of the cave the rest of the timeStay (looney) tuned folks, it could get interesting.Carl On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: > Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that > one be closed? > > Larry Pardue > > On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > >> >> I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. >> http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Rhinehart RMC >> Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM >> Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces >> Cave Closures >> >> >> >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> >> Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns >> National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of >> several back country caves. >> >> >> These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most >> recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula >> J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. >> >> >> Richard Rhinehart >> >> >> -- >> > 2011_04.pdf>___ >> SWR mailing list >> s...@caver.net >> http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I bet the world that they won't do it because of economic reasons. Can you imagine the uproar in that southern New Mexico City if that happened? But,. seriously, I am trying hard to think positive here, and am hoping for the most altruistic of outcomes, that of bats vs. economics, if indeed closing caves is proven to be the way to limit the spread of WNS. It could involve some economic hardship there if that happened. Lake is remote, with lots of bats and a water source in the cave, and Ogle of course is Ranger Guided. I wonder if they will close New (Slaughter) Cave too. Not sure where Goat Cave is. What about adjacent caves on BLM and Forest service lands with bats in them? Yellow Jacket comes to mind. I remember a bat gate being put in some years ago. .. Of course, we could just ask the bats to pick a cave and stay in it, and not move around a lot..or in the big cave, to not use the public entrance when they leave in the evening and stay in their own part of the cave the rest of the timeStay (looney) tuned folks, it could get interesting.Carl On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: > Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that > one be closed? > > Larry Pardue > > On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > >> >> I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. >> http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Rhinehart RMC >> Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM >> Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces >> Cave Closures >> >> >> >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> >> Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns >> National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of >> several back country caves. >> >> >> These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most >> recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula >> J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. >> >> >> Richard Rhinehart >> >> >> -- >> > 2011_04.pdf>___ >> SWR mailing list >> s...@caver.net >> http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I bet the world that they won't do it because of economic reasons. Can you imagine the uproar in that southern New Mexico City if that happened? But,. seriously, I am trying hard to think positive here, and am hoping for the most altruistic of outcomes, that of bats vs. economics, if indeed closing caves is proven to be the way to limit the spread of WNS. It could involve some economic hardship there if that happened. Lake is remote, with lots of bats and a water source in the cave, and Ogle of course is Ranger Guided. I wonder if they will close New (Slaughter) Cave too. Not sure where Goat Cave is. What about adjacent caves on BLM and Forest service lands with bats in them? Yellow Jacket comes to mind. I remember a bat gate being put in some years ago. .. Of course, we could just ask the bats to pick a cave and stay in it, and not move around a lot..or in the big cave, to not use the public entrance when they leave in the evening and stay in their own part of the cave the rest of the timeStay (looney) tuned folks, it could get interesting.Carl On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:21 PM, Larry Pardue wrote: > Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that > one be closed? > > Larry Pardue > > On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > >> >> I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. >> http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html >> >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Rhinehart RMC >> Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM >> Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces >> Cave Closures >> >> >> >> Dear Colleagues: >> >> >> Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns >> National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of >> several back country caves. >> >> >> These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most >> recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula >> J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. >> >> >> Richard Rhinehart >> >> >> -- >> > 2011_04.pdf>___ >> SWR mailing list >> s...@caver.net >> http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > > I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. > http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Rhinehart RMC > Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM > Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave > Closures > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns > National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several > back country caves. > > > These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most > recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula > J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. > > > Richard Rhinehart > > > -- > 2011_04.pdf>___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > > I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. > http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Rhinehart RMC > Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM > Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave > Closures > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns > National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several > back country caves. > > > These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most > recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula > J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. > > > Richard Rhinehart > > > -- > 2011_04.pdf>___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
Re: [SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
Hmm, I wonder about the cave that actually has all the bats? Shouldn't that one be closed? Larry Pardue On Apr 28, 2011, at 8:17 PM, jennifer wrote: > > I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. > http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html > > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Rhinehart RMC > Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM > Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave > Closures > > > > Dear Colleagues: > > > Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns > National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several > back country caves. > > > These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most > recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula > J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. > > > Richard Rhinehart > > > -- > 2011_04.pdf>___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Rhinehart RMC Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Dear Colleagues: Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several back country caves. These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. Richard Rhinehart -- Carlsbad Caverns Rec Caving Brochure 2011_04.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Rhinehart RMC Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Dear Colleagues: Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several back country caves. These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. Richard Rhinehart -- Carlsbad Caverns Rec Caving Brochure 2011_04.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
[SWR] Fw: Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures
I will post the attachment on the SWR Info webpage shortly. http://www.caves.org/region/swr/links.html -- Forwarded message -- From: Rhinehart RMC Date: Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 3:03 PM Subject: [Colorado Cave Survey] Carlsbad Caverns National Park Announces Cave Closures Dear Colleagues: Owing to concerns about the spread of White Nose Syndrome, Carlsbad Caverns National Park in southeastern New Mexico has announced the closure of several back country caves. These caves include Ogle, Lake, and Goat Caves. I have attached the most recent brochure of the caves in the park, received this afternoon from Paula J. Bauer, the park’s Management Assistant. Richard Rhinehart -- Carlsbad Caverns Rec Caving Brochure 2011_04.pdf Description: Adobe PDF document ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://caver.net/mailman/listinfo/swr_caver.net
