Re: [SWR] bees
humor, lee, humor Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:16:44 -0600 From: skin...@thuntek.net To: s...@caver.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [SWR] bees Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
humor, lee, humor List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:16:44 -0600 From: skin...@thuntek.net To: s...@caver.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [SWR] bees Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
humor, lee, humor List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 18:16:44 -0600 From: skin...@thuntek.net To: s...@caver.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com Subject: Re: [SWR] bees Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Louise, Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise The following article, posted yesterday, has the latest on the honeybee Colony Collapse Disorder, and it's looking like new strong pesticides are the problem. Not surprising. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/bee-deaths-colony-collapse_n_2979959.html Lee Skinner ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise > From: john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com > To: casto...@gmail.com; s...@caver.net > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:06:24 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SWR] bees > > Stephen, > > You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in > connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... > > Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro > super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. > > Thanks, > > John > > -Original Message- > From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of > Stephen Fleming > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM > To: NM Caver List > Subject: [SWR] bees > > > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > > and chemical experts to California for discussions. > > > Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the > same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who > recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near > one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing > their hands enough over the situation. > > The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have > not blamed cavers...yet. > > It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause > of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). > Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not > vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the > cavers who are at fault. > > I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite > to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing > else can adequately explain why that happened. > Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he > causes any more calamities. > > ---end satire--- > > ---begin serious comment--- > > I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack > of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated > claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify > closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute > rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational > reason to restrict access. > > Stephen Fleming > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise > From: john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com > To: casto...@gmail.com; s...@caver.net > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:06:24 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SWR] bees > > Stephen, > > You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in > connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... > > Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro > super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. > > Thanks, > > John > > -Original Message- > From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of > Stephen Fleming > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM > To: NM Caver List > Subject: [SWR] bees > > > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > > and chemical experts to California for discussions. > > > Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the > same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who > recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near > one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing > their hands enough over the situation. > > The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have > not blamed cavers...yet. > > It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause > of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). > Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not > vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the > cavers who are at fault. > > I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite > to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing > else can adequately explain why that happened. > Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he > causes any more calamities. > > ---end satire--- > > ---begin serious comment--- > > I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack > of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated > claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify > closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute > rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational > reason to restrict access. > > Stephen Fleming > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Are we sure that WNS and the bee disease are not the same thing only manifesting itself in a different form in a different organism? If so, we should check all the Europeans coming into the U.S. for the period that the first disease started to the present. That should narrow the culprit down...especially if we talk only to the ones who have been in a cave prior to coming here. Louise > From: john_j_corcoran_...@msn.com > To: casto...@gmail.com; s...@caver.net > Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2013 17:06:24 -0600 > Subject: Re: [SWR] bees > > Stephen, > > You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in > connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... > > Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro > super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. > > Thanks, > > John > > -Original Message- > From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of > Stephen Fleming > Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM > To: NM Caver List > Subject: [SWR] bees > > > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > > and chemical experts to California for discussions. > > > Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the > same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who > recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near > one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing > their hands enough over the situation. > > The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have > not blamed cavers...yet. > > It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause > of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). > Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not > vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the > cavers who are at fault. > > I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite > to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing > else can adequately explain why that happened. > Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he > causes any more calamities. > > ---end satire--- > > ---begin serious comment--- > > I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack > of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated > claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify > closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute > rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational > reason to restrict access. > > Stephen Fleming > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET > > ___ > SWR mailing list > s...@caver.net > http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr > ___ > This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Stephen, You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Fleming Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM To: NM Caver List Subject: [SWR] bees > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Stephen, You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Fleming Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM To: NM Caver List Subject: [SWR] bees > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Stephen, You can still have a career as an investigative reporter! Excellent work in connecting the cleverly disguised non-facts... Now, if you can just deduce a way for human entry into the Mesa Del Oro super-cave without spreading Bee viruses. Thanks, John -Original Message- From: swr-boun...@caver.net [mailto:swr-boun...@caver.net] On Behalf Of Stephen Fleming Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 1:12 PM To: NM Caver List Subject: [SWR] bees > Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty > Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees > > A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since > 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to > 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and > vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the > mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of > pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants > themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) > Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had > only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased > dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it > lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official > and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Thanks, Steve. I agree whole heartedly!!! Where is the CBD when you need them? Hundreds of lawyers lining up, hands to stingers, with the bees, ready to pounce with glee on the intrepid explorers as they emerge from the dreaded netherworld. Ahhh! So the mystery continues. Who is the mysterious person who brought over WNS from europe? Speculation is running rampant. Was monetary gain a possibility? (caves closed, and possible research and legal dollars become available). I'm shocked! If only there were a caver tabloid. I'm melting ... Oh the spores ... the spores ... (tounge in cheek) cheers, Ray - Original Message - From: "Stephen Fleming" To: "NM Caver List" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: [SWR] bees Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Thanks, Steve. I agree whole heartedly!!! Where is the CBD when you need them? Hundreds of lawyers lining up, hands to stingers, with the bees, ready to pounce with glee on the intrepid explorers as they emerge from the dreaded netherworld. Ahhh! So the mystery continues. Who is the mysterious person who brought over WNS from europe? Speculation is running rampant. Was monetary gain a possibility? (caves closed, and possible research and legal dollars become available). I'm shocked! If only there were a caver tabloid. I'm melting ... Oh the spores ... the spores ... (tounge in cheek) cheers, Ray - Original Message - From: "Stephen Fleming" To: "NM Caver List" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: [SWR] bees Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
Re: [SWR] bees
Thanks, Steve. I agree whole heartedly!!! Where is the CBD when you need them? Hundreds of lawyers lining up, hands to stingers, with the bees, ready to pounce with glee on the intrepid explorers as they emerge from the dreaded netherworld. Ahhh! So the mystery continues. Who is the mysterious person who brought over WNS from europe? Speculation is running rampant. Was monetary gain a possibility? (caves closed, and possible research and legal dollars become available). I'm shocked! If only there were a caver tabloid. I'm melting ... Oh the spores ... the spores ... (tounge in cheek) cheers, Ray - Original Message - From: "Stephen Fleming" To: "NM Caver List" Sent: Saturday, March 30, 2013 12:12 PM Subject: [SWR] bees Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] bees
Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] bees
Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
[SWR] bees
Buzz Kill Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees Frank Rumpenhorst/Getty Images Mystery Illness Wipes Out Bees A mysterious malady that has been killing honeybees en masse since 2005 has drastically expanded this year, wiping out as much as 40 to 50 percent of the hives needed to pollinate America's fruits and vegetables. Scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths, but some beekeepers and researchers blame a new class of pesticides called neonicotinoids that are now bred into plants themselves. (Not surprisingly, the pesticide industry disputes this.) Until this year, beekeepers in California's San Joaquin Valley had only been losing a third of their bees, but the deaths have increased dramatically this year. The largest farm, in South Dakota, said it lost 55 percent of its bees this year. The EPA has sent a top official and chemical experts to California for discussions. Undoubtedly, this was brought from Europe by that same, single caver at the same time he was bringing WNS, and subsequently spread by other cavers who recklessly wander through apiary sites (or never get near one) without washing their clothes or brushing their teeth, or wringing their hands enough over the situation. The only thing that is unexplained is why researchers and beekeepers have not blamed cavers...yet. It's bound to come since "scientists have been unable to determine the cause of the mass deaths" (but blame, without proof, is easily offered). Clearly, in such situations where the most logical explanations are not vetted or are dismissed in favor of those less likely, it has to be the cavers who are at fault. I'm now convinced it was that same careless caver who caused the meteorite to hit Russia. Clearly, using the WNS and bee cases as examples, nothing else can adequately explain why that happened. Somebody needs to catch that European guy and give him a time-out before he causes any more calamities. ---end satire--- ---begin serious comment--- I'm still waiting for something other than the continuing and complete lack of scientific data showing the WNS human vector; the ongoing unsubstantiated claim of such is nevertheless arbitrarily and capriciously used to justify closing caves. "Could", "might", "may" or "possibly" does not constitute rigorous scientific inquiry nor results, nor form the basis for any rational reason to restrict access. Stephen Fleming ___ SWR mailing list s...@caver.net http://lists.caver.net/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/swr ___ This list is provided free as a courtesy of CAVERNET
