[Texascavers] WNS article in Laboratory Equipment magazine

[Jill Orr]

Hi all, I thought I would pass this along. A former colleague sent the link
to me as I used to advertise in this publication.

https://www.laboratoryequipment.com/560964-Genetic-Study-Bats-May-Finally-Be-Able-to-Fight-Off-White-Nose-Syndrome/
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Re: [Texascavers] WNS rumors

[Carol Belski]

Since the original email wandered into the Texas e-list, please observe what 
Deb Buecher has said below:

> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Bob Buecher 
> Subject: [SWR CAVERS] Fwd: Fwd: Bat observed on White Sands with holes (?) in 
> the wings
> Date: December 11, 2019 at 7:25:53 PM MST
> To: "swrcavers@googlegroups com" 
> 
> Deb asked that I send this on the SW Cavers list.
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Fwd: Bat observed on White Sands with holes (?) in the wings
> Date: Wed, 11 Dec 2019 19:21:24 -0700 (MST)
> From: Debbie Buecher  
> Reply-To: Debbie Buecher  
> 
> To:   Buecher, Bob  
> 
> Can you post this for me on the SWCavers site, I do not have permission... 
> 
> Deb 
> 
> Debbie C. Buecher, M.S.
> Wildlife Biologist/Project Manager
> Buecher Biological Consulting
> 7050 E. Katchina Court
> Tucson, AZ 85715
> phone: (520) 722-1287
> cell: (520) 822-4726
>> -- Original Message -- 
>> From: Debbie Buecher   
>> To: swrcav...@googlegroups.com  
>> Cc: t...@minegates.com , rsbrei...@san.rr.com 
>>  
>> Date: December 11, 2019 at 7:20 PM 
>> Subject: Bat observed on White Sands with holes (?) in the wings 
>> 
>> To cavers in the Southwest,
>> 
>> This is my reply to a string of emails between SW cavers about possible WNS 
>> in NM that was finally sent to my email address.  First, the people that 
>> observed a bat at a mine 'flying with holes in its wings' should have 
>> reported it to the proper authorities immediately and not sent out emails to 
>> other cavers in the West chatting about it.  That is not the appropriate way 
>> to approach a possible siting of a bat with WNS.  I believe that the 
>> wildlife biologist on the White Sands Missile Range (DOD) is Trish Cutler 
>> and she should be notified immediately so that bat(s) at that roost/mine can 
>> be properly swabbed for Pseudogymnoascus destructans (as Jennifer 
>> recommended).  The swabs should then be sent to USGS National Wildlife 
>> Health Center, Madison WI attn. Dr. Anne Ballmann.  Sending out emails that 
>> begin a string of gossip will not further science or the proper handling of 
>> this situation. In the future, if a caver sees a bat not behaving normally 
>> (such as flying in the daytime, roosting around an entrance in the dead of 
>> winter, or dead bats in a cave passage), PLEASE contact the proper 
>> authorities (the resource agency's wildlife biologist, a biologist already 
>> sampling for P. destructans in the state, or the state Game and Fish 
>> wildlife biologist, etc).This is the only way that we will truly 
>> know when area bats are suffering from WNS.  Dr. Diana Northup (UNM) and I 
>> have been swabbing bats and taking guano/soil samples for years but when we 
>> get a suspicious result, we wait (silently) until it can be confirmed.  Even 
>> then, we allow the proper resource agencies post an official notice to 
>> announce the results.  This is how the low level presence of P. destructans 
>> was handled by Grand Canyon, El Malpais National Monument, NM BLM, and 
>> Carlsbad Caverns.  Please, let's keep down the panic and only report 
>> confirmed presence of this catastrophic fungal pathogen. 
>> Regards, 
>> 
>> Debbie 
>> 
>> Debbie C. Buecher, M.S.
>> Wildlife Biologist/Project Manager
>> Buecher Biological Consulting
>> 7050 E. Katchina Court
>> Tucson, AZ 85715
>> phone: (520) 722-1287
>> cell: (520) 822-4726
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[Texascavers] WNS detected in northTexas - what does this mean for New Mexico and Texas :

[Jerry]

As most of you know by now, 6counties in north Texas were recently confirmed 
positive for the presence of Pd(Pseudogymnoascus destructans), the fungus that 
is the base cause of WNS. 30states, including the recent inclusion of Minnesota 
and Nebraska, are nowconfirmed positive for the presence of WNS in the bat 
population, and 3additional states, including Texas, have now tested positive 
for the presenceof the fungus on bats or in the near environment. The reports 
are certainlydisheartening, but not unexpected, as WNS has been progressively 
spreadingwestward since its first detection in 2006. There was some hope that 
theperceived rate of progression was slowing, and that it might not make a 
jumpinto the western portion of the US. This hope faded when a bat was 
confirmedpositive for WNS in Washington State early last year, and the recent 
detectionof the fungus in northern Texas certainly does not bode well for New 
Mexico. 
 
The detectionof Pd in Texas is also of great concern as north Texas represents 
a regionwhere bat species that have widely different ranges overlap, presenting 
thepossibility that WNS could rapidly migrate to areas to the west and 
south.There's still hope for the western bats as it's not known if the species 
thatinhabit these regions will be as susceptible to Pd as in the eastern US, 
andmany bat species in Texas do not hibernate during the colder, winter 
monthswhen conditions for the spread of WNS are increased.

Regardless of the possible future impact of Pd on the westernbat population, 
WNS has reared its ugly head in Texas, and by proximity, to NewMexico. Scurry 
County, one of the counties recently confirmed for Pd, is only125 miles from 
the New Mexico border, and approximately 200 miles from thenearest significant 
bat cave in New Mexico.

Things won't be the same from now on, and we in the cavingcommunity will need 
to make some adjustments if we have not already done so. Istrongly encourage 
grottos to review the standard WNS decon protocols withtheir membership, and to 
strictly adhere to them. Folks in Texas have toreconcile with the fact that 
they are now living and caving in a state withconfirmed Pd, and that they 
should not bring their caving gear to other statesthat have no confirmed Pd or 
WNS (that means this year's NSS Convention). Folksin New Mexico that cave in 
Texas (or nearly anywhere back east for thatmatter), need to purchase a set of 
caving gear to be used exclusively in thosestates or areas with confirmed Pd or 
WNS if they have not done so already. 
 
This is notjust hyper-sensitive political correctness. Federal protocols for 
caving onBLM, NFS, and NPS lands stipulate these decon procedures and gear 
restrictionswhether we agree with them or not. Non-compliance can result in 
fines,penalties, and/or cave closures. Over 85% of the caves in New Mexico 
arelocated on federally managed lands. Cavers in New Mexico have been 
partneringwith various federal agencies for decades addressing the cave 
conservation,exploration, and management issues in the state, and have an 
excellent workingrelationship at the moment. Given the increased sensitivity 
and scrutiny thatthe recent Pd announcement in Texas will undoubtedly bring to 
caving in Texas andNew Mexico, let’s all agree that WNS is on our doorstep, and 
that we should alldo our part to deal with the issue responsibly.
 
JerryAtkinson
Chairman –Southwest Region of the NSS
Past Chairman– Texas Speleological Association
 
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Re: [Texascavers] WNS

[Robert B]

The boundaries of States are just human constructs.
however, policies or action plans written by State Wildlife agencies can be
enforced


On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 3:01 PM, David  wrote:

> I feel it is worth pointing out that the geometric shapes of states like
> Texas, are just lines drawn by some cartographer about 400 year ago, who
> probably had never seen a bat or even been to Texas.
>
> Certainly, mammals do not give a rat's tail about human boundaries and
> walls or fences.
>
> I have not seen much ado or hoopla about bats in east Texas that live in
> trees and crevices and may even stop over at "Gunnel's Cave" near Center.
>
> It would seem the east Texas bats would have been the most to be affected.
>
> How did bats evolve over the past 500,000 years had bats not been
> resistant to viruses ?
>
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Re: [Texascavers] WNS

[David]

I feel it is worth pointing out that the geometric shapes of states like
Texas, are just lines drawn by some cartographer about 400 year ago, who
probably had never seen a bat or even been to Texas.

Certainly, mammals do not give a rat's tail about human boundaries and
walls or fences.

I have not seen much ado or hoopla about bats in east Texas that live in
trees and crevices and may even stop over at "Gunnel's Cave" near Center.

It would seem the east Texas bats would have been the most to be affected.

How did bats evolve over the past 500,000 years had bats not been resistant
to viruses ?
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[Texascavers] WNS Decontaminator at NSS Convention, Ely

[Logan McNatt via Texascavers]

Forwarded from the SWR Cavers list

Interesting video of the decontamination setup at the NSS Convention in 
Ely, NV


https://vimeo.com/178359518

Logan McNatt
lmcn...@austin.rr.com

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[Texascavers] WNS in Canada

[Lyndon Tiu]

News video will play after a short commercial.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2397484123/

-- 
Lyndon Tiu

[Texascavers] WNS in Canada

[Lyndon Tiu]

News video will play after a short commercial.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2397484123/

-- 
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[Texascavers] WNS in Canada

[Lyndon Tiu]

News video will play after a short commercial.

http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/ID/2397484123/

-- 
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[Texascavers] WNS kills thousands in Pa cave

[Louise Power]

>From now.msn this morning:
http://now.msn.com/white-nose-kills-millions-of-bats-hibernating-in-pennsylvania
  

[Texascavers] WNS kills thousands in Pa cave

[Louise Power]

>From now.msn this morning:
http://now.msn.com/white-nose-kills-millions-of-bats-hibernating-in-pennsylvania
  

[Texascavers] WNS kills thousands in Pa cave

[Louise Power]

>From now.msn this morning:
http://now.msn.com/white-nose-kills-millions-of-bats-hibernating-in-pennsylvania
  

[Texascavers] WNS

[Josh Rubinstein]

Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-on-stricken-bats-may-help-aids-fight/2012/12/09/8cc93ab8-38cc-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html

Josh

[Texascavers] WNS

[Josh Rubinstein]

Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-on-stricken-bats-may-help-aids-fight/2012/12/09/8cc93ab8-38cc-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html

Josh

[Texascavers] WNS

[Josh Rubinstein]

Interesting article.  Finding Geomyces destructans was discovering the
bullet.  This may be the gun.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/research-on-stricken-bats-may-help-aids-fight/2012/12/09/8cc93ab8-38cc-11e2-b01f-5f55b193f58f_story.html

Josh

[Texascavers] WNS now reported in Hamilton County, TN (Chattanooga Area)

[NSS Announcements]

[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]

Hamilton County, TN

Press release:

http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf

 Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we  
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no  
mortality).  We can thank Ron Miller for this - he was on the survey  
and mentioned the lack of this sort of information in previous press  
releases to the National Park biologist.  Pays to speak up.


Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

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[Texascavers] WNS now reported in Hamilton County, TN (Chattanooga Area)

[NSS Announcements]

[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]

Hamilton County, TN

Press release:

http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf

 Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we  
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no  
mortality).  We can thank Ron Miller for this - he was on the survey  
and mentioned the lack of this sort of information in previous press  
releases to the National Park biologist.  Pays to speak up.


Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

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[Texascavers] WNS now reported in Hamilton County, TN (Chattanooga Area)

[NSS Announcements]

[From Peter Youngbaer, WNS Liaison]

Hamilton County, TN

Press release:

http://caves.org/WNS/Lookout%20Mountain%20Cave%20May%201,%202012.pdf

 Note that for the first time in a USFWS-partnered press release we  
have some contextual information (2 bats = 18% of colony; no  
mortality).  We can thank Ron Miller for this - he was on the survey  
and mentioned the lack of this sort of information in previous press  
releases to the National Park biologist.  Pays to speak up.


Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

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RE: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[Mark . Alman]

I love it when you talk that way, Rafal!   J

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: rafal kedzierski [mailto:rafal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:20 PM
To: texas cavers tc
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

 

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and
European WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus
showed similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same
Geomyces destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think
the importance may be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces
destructans in white nose syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of
the disease). There is this amazing thing called 'molecular biology'
that actually lets you look at the genomic structure and determine its
similarity to other pathogens, and trace its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of
US isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North
America (Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not
aware of any papers showing molecular match between N. American or
European Geomyces destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski

RE: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[Mark . Alman]

I love it when you talk that way, Rafal!   J

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: rafal kedzierski [mailto:rafal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:20 PM
To: texas cavers tc
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

 

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and
European WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus
showed similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same
Geomyces destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think
the importance may be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces
destructans in white nose syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of
the disease). There is this amazing thing called 'molecular biology'
that actually lets you look at the genomic structure and determine its
similarity to other pathogens, and trace its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of
US isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North
America (Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not
aware of any papers showing molecular match between N. American or
European Geomyces destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski

RE: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[Mark . Alman]

I love it when you talk that way, Rafal!   J

 

 

Mark

 

 

 

From: rafal kedzierski [mailto:rafal...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2012 12:20 PM
To: texas cavers tc
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

 

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and
European WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus
showed similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same
Geomyces destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think
the importance may be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces
destructans in white nose syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of
the disease). There is this amazing thing called 'molecular biology'
that actually lets you look at the genomic structure and determine its
similarity to other pathogens, and trace its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of
US isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North
America (Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not
aware of any papers showing molecular match between N. American or
European Geomyces destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski

[Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[rafal kedzierski]

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and European 
WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus showed 
similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same Geomyces 
destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think the importance may 
be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces destructans in white nose 
syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of the disease). There is this 
amazing thing called 'molecular biology' that actually lets you look at the 
genomic structure and determine its similarity to other pathogens, and trace 
its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of US 
>isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North America 
>(Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not aware of any 
>papers showing molecular match between N. American or European Geomyces 
>destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski  

[Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[rafal kedzierski]

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and European 
WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus showed 
similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same Geomyces 
destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think the importance may 
be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces destructans in white nose 
syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of the disease). There is this 
amazing thing called 'molecular biology' that actually lets you look at the 
genomic structure and determine its similarity to other pathogens, and trace 
its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of US 
>isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North America 
>(Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not aware of any 
>papers showing molecular match between N. American or European Geomyces 
>destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski  

[Texascavers] WNS syndrome news dissection

[rafal kedzierski]

Delving further into the PNAS article claiming that N. American and European 
WNS is the same.
 
Just because American bats infected with N. American and European fungus showed 
similar symptoms does not mean that these are the exact same Geomyces 
destructans, which I think the article was implying. I think the importance may 
be for proving the Kochs postulates of Geomyces destructans in white nose 
syndrome (implying that fungus is causative of the disease). There is this 
amazing thing called 'molecular biology' that actually lets you look at the 
genomic structure and determine its similarity to other pathogens, and trace 
its genetic drift. 

>From Pubmed, there is an article from 2011 that shows clonal genotype of US 
>isolates is similar, imlpying clonal dispersion of fungus in North America 
>(Emerg Infect Dis, 2011, July 17(7): 1273-6). However, I'm not aware of any 
>papers showing molecular match between N. American or European Geomyces 
>destructans.
 
Rafal Kedzierski  

[Texascavers] WNS Reported in Alabama

[R D Milhollin]

Follow the link to the official press release.

http://caver.net/pipermail/swr_caver.net/attachments/20120314/6dc6f9e9/attachment.pdf

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

[Texascavers] WNS Reported in Alabama

[R D Milhollin]

Follow the link to the official press release.

http://caver.net/pipermail/swr_caver.net/attachments/20120314/6dc6f9e9/attachment.pdf

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

[Texascavers] WNS Reported in Alabama

[R D Milhollin]

Follow the link to the official press release.

http://caver.net/pipermail/swr_caver.net/attachments/20120314/6dc6f9e9/attachment.pdf

Peter Youngbaer
White Nose Syndrome Liaison
National Speleological Society
(802) 272-3802

RE: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Louise Power]

Being a federal employee, I feel that I should let you know that form letters 
and petitions are counted as one reply regardless of how many signatures or 
copies they generate.
 



To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
From: germa...@aol.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:07:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia







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From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

Please reply to mmin...@caver.net
Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org 


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RE: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Louise Power]

Being a federal employee, I feel that I should let you know that form letters 
and petitions are counted as one reply regardless of how many signatures or 
copies they generate.
 



To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
From: germa...@aol.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:07:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia







-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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RE: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Louise Power]

Being a federal employee, I feel that I should let you know that form letters 
and petitions are counted as one reply regardless of how many signatures or 
copies they generate.
 



To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
From: germa...@aol.com
Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2011 13:07:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia







-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Julia Germany]

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Julia Germany]

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Julia Germany]

I just signed the petition.

They need less than 2,000 more votes for this petition to be valid.

Please take a minute to sign it.

Thanks!
julia

 

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Mark Minton 
To: texascavers 
Sent: Fri, Nov 4, 2011 9:44 am
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition


 If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.

Mark Minton

 > WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
 >
 > Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.
 >
 > --
 >
 > Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.
 >
 > The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.
 >
 > The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.
 >
 > The petition can be found here:
 >
 > 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl
 >
 > If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
 > information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
 > whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
 > automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
 > "Sign this Petition."
 >
 > WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:
 > http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
 >
 > Peter Youngbaer
 > NSS 16161 CM FE
 > NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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[Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Mark Minton]

If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.


Mark Minton

> WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
>
> Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.

>
> --
>
> Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.

>
> The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.

>
> The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.

>
> The petition can be found here:
>
> 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl

>
> If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
> information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
> whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
> automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
> "Sign this Petition."
>
> WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:

> http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
>
> Peter Youngbaer
> NSS 16161 CM FE
> NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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[Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Mark Minton]

If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.


Mark Minton

> WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
>
> Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.

>
> --
>
> Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.

>
> The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.

>
> The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.

>
> The petition can be found here:
>
> 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl

>
> If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
> information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
> whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
> automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
> "Sign this Petition."
>
> WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:

> http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
>
> Peter Youngbaer
> NSS 16161 CM FE
> NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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[Texascavers] WNS Funding Petition

[Mark Minton]

If you would like to encourage the federal government to 
fund White-Nose Syndrome research, please see the following message 
from Peter Youngbaer.


Mark Minton

> WNS Liaison Peter Youngbaer wrote:
>
> Below is the notice I sent out for signing on to the WNS funding 
petition. Please feel free to forward to your networks, list serves, 
Facebook posts, etc.

>
> --
>
> Action Alert: Please sign an on-line "We The People" petition to 
help get research funding for White Nose Syndrome in the federal budget.

>
> The NSS is joining Bat Conservation International and others in 
requesting President Obama to include funding for WNS in the 
Administration's 2013 budget.

>
> The mechanism for doing this is a "We The People" petition, 
operated by the White House (http://wh.gov/TNK). We need 25,000 names 
by November 25 for the staff to recognize the issue and evaluate it 
for the President. The petition language is fairly general; specifics 
can be dealt with once the threshold is reached and staff begins to 
focus on the details.

>
> The petition can be found here:
>
> 
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/petition/fund-fight-against-white-nose-syndrome-president%E2%80%99s-fiscal-year-2013-budget/jH8Z4Fsl

>
> If you are already have a whitehouse.gov account click "Sign In" enter your
> information and then click "Sign this Petition." If you are new to the
> whitehouse.gov webpage click "Create an Account." You will be sent an
> automated email to verify your new account and then you can return and click
> "Sign this Petition."
>
> WNS is likely to be with us for some time, and this is the best 
way to help ensure ongoing long-term funding. In the short-term, 
please donate to the NSS' WNS Rapid Response Fund. We continue to 
have research funding requests for more immediate projects and need 
to replenish the fund:

> http://www.caves.org/WNS/Rapid_Response.shtml Thank you.
>
> Peter Youngbaer
> NSS 16161 CM FE
> NSS White Nose Syndrome Liaison

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[Texascavers] WNS on CNN

[Mark Minton]

There is a story about WNS on CNN, including an audio 
segment, at 
.


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS on CNN

[Mark Minton]

There is a story about WNS on CNN, including an audio 
segment, at 
.


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS on CNN

[Mark Minton]

There is a story about WNS on CNN, including an audio 
segment, at 
.


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS News

[keith heuss]

See story below.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3015

Keith

[Texascavers] WNS News

[keith heuss]

See story below.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3015

Keith

[Texascavers] WNS News

[keith heuss]

See story below.

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=3015

Keith

[Texascavers] WNS Presentations Online

[R D Milhollin]

reposted from VARLIST / Cavechat.org



NSS Convention WNS Presentations Posted Online

Presentations made at the special WNS session at the 2011 NSS 
Convention in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, have now been posted on the 
NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS (Scroll down to the 
"Research" section.)

Seven of the presentations are currently available, although all the 
topics are listed. Thanks to session organizer, Carl Bern, for 
obtaining permission from the presenters. We hope the rest will soon follow.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE

[Texascavers] WNS Presentations Online

[R D Milhollin]

reposted from VARLIST / Cavechat.org



NSS Convention WNS Presentations Posted Online

Presentations made at the special WNS session at the 2011 NSS 
Convention in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, have now been posted on the 
NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS (Scroll down to the 
"Research" section.)

Seven of the presentations are currently available, although all the 
topics are listed. Thanks to session organizer, Carl Bern, for 
obtaining permission from the presenters. We hope the rest will soon follow.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE

[Texascavers] WNS Presentations Online

[R D Milhollin]

reposted from VARLIST / Cavechat.org



NSS Convention WNS Presentations Posted Online

Presentations made at the special WNS session at the 2011 NSS 
Convention in Glenwood Springs, Colorado, have now been posted on the 
NSS WNS website: http://www.caves.org/WNS (Scroll down to the 
"Research" section.)

Seven of the presentations are currently available, although all the 
topics are listed. Thanks to session organizer, Carl Bern, for 
obtaining permission from the presenters. We hope the rest will soon follow.

Peter Youngbaer
NSS 16161 CM FE

[Texascavers] WNS in Smithsonian Magazine

[Mark Minton]

The July-August issue of Smithsonian Magazine has a long 
article about White-Nose 
Syndrome: 
. 
There is also an accompanying video that unfortunately fingers cavers 
as a potential vector for spreading the disease without offering any 
real evidence.  :-(


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS in Smithsonian Magazine

[Mark Minton]

The July-August issue of Smithsonian Magazine has a long 
article about White-Nose 
Syndrome: 
. 
There is also an accompanying video that unfortunately fingers cavers 
as a potential vector for spreading the disease without offering any 
real evidence.  :-(


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS in Smithsonian Magazine

[Mark Minton]

The July-August issue of Smithsonian Magazine has a long 
article about White-Nose 
Syndrome: 
. 
There is also an accompanying video that unfortunately fingers cavers 
as a potential vector for spreading the disease without offering any 
real evidence.  :-(


Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

>I thought that not only did the witnesses do an excellent job, but 
>for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
>seemed to "get it."

Yes, we were delighted at Peter's smack-down of the agencies for 
the total closure policy, and the horrendous ratio of overhead to 
actual research.

Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) was the chair of the hearing two 
years ago, remembered Peter from that, and said hello before the 
hearing.  When the members went off to vote (Guam doesn't have 
a vote), she came over and chatted with the witnesses, as you can 
see in the slide-show.  But her later questions homed in on the 
issues so well that I thought she'd been primed to do it.  But no, 
she just pays attention and was reinforcing Peter's points.  Good on 
her!

>I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members that this 
>is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
>agricultural structure of the country.

Yes.  They all exhibited much better understanding of the situation 
this time, and the focus on agriculture got their attention.  Alas, 
there is no money to spread around anymore.  Things like bats, 
bees, and trees will be the first to fall in the looming budget battle.  
Peter hopes the subcommittee will take the money already 
allocated to the FWS bureaucracy and give it to USGS for more 
real research.

Alex

--
Alex Sproul
NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org

Re: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

>I thought that not only did the witnesses do an excellent job, but 
>for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
>seemed to "get it."

Yes, we were delighted at Peter's smack-down of the agencies for 
the total closure policy, and the horrendous ratio of overhead to 
actual research.

Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) was the chair of the hearing two 
years ago, remembered Peter from that, and said hello before the 
hearing.  When the members went off to vote (Guam doesn't have 
a vote), she came over and chatted with the witnesses, as you can 
see in the slide-show.  But her later questions homed in on the 
issues so well that I thought she'd been primed to do it.  But no, 
she just pays attention and was reinforcing Peter's points.  Good on 
her!

>I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members that this 
>is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
>agricultural structure of the country.

Yes.  They all exhibited much better understanding of the situation 
this time, and the focus on agriculture got their attention.  Alas, 
there is no money to spread around anymore.  Things like bats, 
bees, and trees will be the first to fall in the looming budget battle.  
Peter hopes the subcommittee will take the money already 
allocated to the FWS bureaucracy and give it to USGS for more 
real research.

Alex

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NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org

Re: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

>I thought that not only did the witnesses do an excellent job, but 
>for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
>seemed to "get it."

Yes, we were delighted at Peter's smack-down of the agencies for 
the total closure policy, and the horrendous ratio of overhead to 
actual research.

Madeleine Bordallo (D-Guam) was the chair of the hearing two 
years ago, remembered Peter from that, and said hello before the 
hearing.  When the members went off to vote (Guam doesn't have 
a vote), she came over and chatted with the witnesses, as you can 
see in the slide-show.  But her later questions homed in on the 
issues so well that I thought she'd been primed to do it.  But no, 
she just pays attention and was reinforcing Peter's points.  Good on 
her!

>I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members that this 
>is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
>agricultural structure of the country.

Yes.  They all exhibited much better understanding of the situation 
this time, and the focus on agriculture got their attention.  Alas, 
there is no money to spread around anymore.  Things like bats, 
bees, and trees will be the first to fall in the looming budget battle.  
Peter hopes the subcommittee will take the money already 
allocated to the FWS bureaucracy and give it to USGS for more 
real research.

Alex

--
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NSS 8086RL/FE
NSS Webmaster
www.caves.org

RE: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Louise Power]

Alex,
I watched a big part of it. I thought that not only did the witnesses do an 
excellent job, but for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
seemed to "get it." I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members 
that this is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
agricultural structure of the country. And if that's what it takes to get some 
action out of them, then good on us and good on them.
Louise

> From: imoca...@comcast.net
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:34:48 -0400
> Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online
> 
> Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:
> 
> I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
> on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
> **outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
> their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
> notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
> representation.
> 
> Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
> photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
> http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
> %20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
> is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
> bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
> Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")
> 
> The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
> members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
> minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
> Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
> to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
> members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
> well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
> reference for data and more information.
> 
> I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
> and read Peter's and the other testimonies.
> 
> Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.
> 
> Cheryl
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RE: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Louise Power]

Alex,
I watched a big part of it. I thought that not only did the witnesses do an 
excellent job, but for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
seemed to "get it." I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members 
that this is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
agricultural structure of the country. And if that's what it takes to get some 
action out of them, then good on us and good on them.
Louise

> From: imoca...@comcast.net
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:34:48 -0400
> Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online
> 
> Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:
> 
> I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
> on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
> **outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
> their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
> notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
> representation.
> 
> Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
> photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
> http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
> %20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
> is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
> bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
> Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")
> 
> The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
> members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
> minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
> Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
> to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
> members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
> well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
> reference for data and more information.
> 
> I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
> and read Peter's and the other testimonies.
> 
> Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.
> 
> Cheryl
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RE: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Louise Power]

Alex,
I watched a big part of it. I thought that not only did the witnesses do an 
excellent job, but for a change, the committee asked some good questions and 
seemed to "get it." I think that it's finally dawning on the committee members 
that this is not just about endangered species, but about the health and 
agricultural structure of the country. And if that's what it takes to get some 
action out of them, then good on us and good on them.
Louise

> From: imoca...@comcast.net
> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 21:34:48 -0400
> Subject: [Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online
> 
> Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:
> 
> I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
> on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
> **outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
> their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
> notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
> representation.
> 
> Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
> photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
> http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
> %20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
> is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
> bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
> Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")
> 
> The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
> members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
> minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
> Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
> to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
> members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
> well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
> reference for data and more information.
> 
> I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
> and read Peter's and the other testimonies.
> 
> Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.
> 
> Cheryl
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[Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:

I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
**outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
representation.

Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
%20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")

The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
reference for data and more information.

I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
and read Peter's and the other testimonies.

Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:

I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
**outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
representation.

Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
%20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")

The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
reference for data and more information.

I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
and read Peter's and the other testimonies.

Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] WNS Subcommittee Hearing -- info online

[Alex Sproul]

Posted on behalf of Cheryl Jones:

I hope you were able to watch the Friday's subcommittee hearing 
on WNS, or the video.  NSS WNS liaison Peter Youngbaer did an 
**outstanding** job speaking for the NSS and cavers, and based on 
their questions, the subcommittee members seemed to really take 
notice of what he had to say. We couldn't have asked for better 
representation.

Webmaster Alex has created a Web page for the hearing, including 
photos and links to the video and testimonies. 
http://caves.org/WNS/Hearing%20on%20Why%20Should%20We
%20Care%20About%20Bats.htm (On the main WNS page the link 
is included in the section "Education and Outreach" towards the 
bottom of the page. "Congressional Hearing: "Why Should We 
Care About Bats?" - June 24, 2011.")

The written testimonies were provided to the subcommittee 
members in advance, and each person on the panel had only 5 
minutes to present a synopsis. Peter provided copies of the 2011 
Conservation issue of the "NSS News" containing the WNS reports 
to the Natural Resources Committee's office to distribute to 
members, and had additional copies available for the audience as 
well. He held up a copy at one point during his statement as a 
reference for data and more information.

I hope everyone will take the time to watch the video of the hearing, 
and read Peter's and the other testimonies.

Spread the word to your grotto and caving buddies.

Cheryl

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[Texascavers] WNS west of the Mississippi

[Mixon Bill]

For whatever it's worth, those recent maps of the spread of White-Nose  
Syndrome indicate that the occurrences in Arkansas and Oklahoma are  
just "suspected," not confirmed. However, both states have similar  
winter and cave temperatures to other areas where is has been  
confirmed, so I imagine it will get there sooner or later if it hasn't  
already.

 -- Mixon

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the  
support of Paul.


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[Texascavers] WNS west of the Mississippi

[Mixon Bill]

For whatever it's worth, those recent maps of the spread of White-Nose  
Syndrome indicate that the occurrences in Arkansas and Oklahoma are  
just "suspected," not confirmed. However, both states have similar  
winter and cave temperatures to other areas where is has been  
confirmed, so I imagine it will get there sooner or later if it hasn't  
already.

 -- Mixon

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support of Paul.


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[Texascavers] WNS west of the Mississippi

[Mixon Bill]

For whatever it's worth, those recent maps of the spread of White-Nose  
Syndrome indicate that the occurrences in Arkansas and Oklahoma are  
just "suspected," not confirmed. However, both states have similar  
winter and cave temperatures to other areas where is has been  
confirmed, so I imagine it will get there sooner or later if it hasn't  
already.

 -- Mixon

A government that robs Peter to pay Paul can always count on the  
support of Paul.


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[Texascavers] WNS National Plan

[Mark Minton]

The USFWS has released their National Plan for dealing with 
white-nose syndrome.  You can access it along with a press release 
and Q&A at , first item on the 
page.  Also note at the bottom of the page there is an updated map 
showing the spread of WNS.


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[Texascavers] WNS National Plan

[Mark Minton]

The USFWS has released their National Plan for dealing with 
white-nose syndrome.  You can access it along with a press release 
and Q&A at , first item on the 
page.  Also note at the bottom of the page there is an updated map 
showing the spread of WNS.


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[Texascavers] WNS National Plan

[Mark Minton]

The USFWS has released their National Plan for dealing with 
white-nose syndrome.  You can access it along with a press release 
and Q&A at , first item on the 
page.  Also note at the bottom of the page there is an updated map 
showing the spread of WNS.


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[Texascavers] WNS Experiments

[Mark Minton]

Here are a couple of articles about white-nose syndrome in 
Pennsylvania and recent experiments to find chemicals to help bats 
survive.  Unfortunately they were improperly implemented and all the 
bats involved died.  :-(  The video shows how ultraviolet light can 
be used to visualize WNS infection, which I hadn't heard of 
before. 
 
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[Texascavers] WNS Experiments

[Mark Minton]

Here are a couple of articles about white-nose syndrome in 
Pennsylvania and recent experiments to find chemicals to help bats 
survive.  Unfortunately they were improperly implemented and all the 
bats involved died.  :-(  The video shows how ultraviolet light can 
be used to visualize WNS infection, which I hadn't heard of 
before. 
 
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up:  


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[Texascavers] WNS Experiments

[Mark Minton]

Here are a couple of articles about white-nose syndrome in 
Pennsylvania and recent experiments to find chemicals to help bats 
survive.  Unfortunately they were improperly implemented and all the 
bats involved died.  :-(  The video shows how ultraviolet light can 
be used to visualize WNS infection, which I hadn't heard of 
before. 
 
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up:  


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[Texascavers] WNS in Kentucky

[Mark Minton]

White-Nose Syndrome has been confirmed in a bat in Kentucky, making it
the 16th state to become infected.


Mark Minton 

[Texascavers] WNS in Kentucky

[Mark Minton]

White-Nose Syndrome has been confirmed in a bat in Kentucky, making it
the 16th state to become infected.


Mark Minton 

[Texascavers] WNS in Kentucky

[Mark Minton]

White-Nose Syndrome has been confirmed in a bat in Kentucky, making it
the 16th state to become infected.


Mark Minton 

RE: [Texascavers] "WNS"

[Louise Power]

Bill,
 
It's very easy to sit back in your comfy cave and criticize those agency 
personnel on the front lines trying to satisfy both sides of a contentious 
arguement. Come do their jobs for awhile and see how it feels if you think it's 
so easy and the answers so obvious.
 
Louise
 


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Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2011 07:08:26 -0800
From: andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com
To: bmixon...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] "WNS"







Ugggh, I thought we were talking about caves, not national security.  I think 
that topic is better discussed in another forum.  
Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512) 799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com 






From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 8:20:18 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] "WNS"

Even notice how "WNS" has become an all-purpose reason, just like "9/11"? And 
of course we all agree with everything the government has done about 9/11. -- 
Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] "WNS"

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Ugggh, I thought we were talking about caves, not national security.  I think 
that topic is better discussed in another forum.  

Andy
 Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
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From: Mixon Bill 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Sun, March 6, 2011 8:20:18 PM
Subject: [Texascavers] "WNS"

Even notice how "WNS" has become an all-purpose reason, just like "9/11"? And 
of 
course we all agree with everything the government has done about 9/11. -- Mixon

If a thing is not worth doing, it is not worth doing well.

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Re: [Texascavers] "WNS"

[JerryAtkin]

 
Any time that a body of people (government or otherwise) is faced with an  
imminent crisis that they don't really understand, and no one can give them  
unequivocal guidance as to how to handle it, they will usually opt for a  
conservative action plan that often appears muddled in hindsight.  I  
actually feel for the poor bureaucrats that have to juggle the WNS issue.   
Their 
task is a no-win situation no matter what course they steer  towards.  As 
cavers and self-appointed stewards of the underground, we  naturally feel that 
our opinions and interests should be recognized by the  authorities that 
actually are responsible.  Many cavers in positions that  lend themselves 
access to the NPS, NFS, and BLM have been working to give  counsel and guidance 
with respect to WNS policies.  We're still in the  early stages of the WNS 
pandemic; it will be years before the final outcome for  both the bats and 
cavers will be known.  At that point, I'm sure we will  all look back and 
wonder at our collective ignorance and poor decisions.
 
Jerry.
 
 
In a message dated 3/6/2011 8:20:27 P.M. Central Standard Time,  
bmixon...@austin.rr.com writes:

Even notice  how "WNS" has become an all-purpose reason, just like  
"9/11"? And of  course we all agree with everything the government has  
done about  9/11. -- Mixon

[Texascavers] "WNS"

[Mixon Bill]

Even notice how "WNS" has become an all-purpose reason, just like  
"9/11"? And of course we all agree with everything the government has  
done about 9/11. -- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] WNS and Cave Access

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

RD,
   Humans are the most likely vector for having brought WNSto this continent.  
If that is the case, then I would consider cave-to-cave transmission of WNS to 
be a serious possibility.  

Andy

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From: R D Milhollin 
To: Cavers Texas 
Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 1:03:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS and Cave Access

I may not be up-to-date on the reported studies being done on the subject, but 
are there conclusive, convincing, or even supporting data available that show 
WNS transmission by cavers has actually taken place? I understand the 
possibility exists, but I am unaware that humans have been actually implicated 
in the transmission of the fungus from cave to cave. Is there reason to doubt 
the effectiveness of the decontamination protocol for disinfecting gear and 
clothing used in contaminated caves? Should the practice of not using gear in 
uncontaminated caves once it has been in contaminated caves be sufficient to 
assure cross-contamination will not occur (assuming the caver showers and 
disinfects the body between trips)? I know there are other conscientious cavers 
out there who question what might seem to be an unfounded restriction on caving 
in WNS areas by government agencies that control access to the caves. Also, how 
are cave closings by the agencies going
to keep uninformed recreational cavers or just plain trespassers from going 
into 
the caves? It would seem that the blanket restriction will only keep out the 
serious (non-CRF) cavers who are probably the best resource to to government 
cave managers for monitoring and documenting the goings-on at the caves in 
question, and whose organizations are probably responsible for a large amount 
of 
the education about WNS that is happening.

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Diana Tomchick  wrote:


> Actually, in this day and age of WNS,
> all caves that shelter bats should really be considered to
> belong to the bats. ...

> Many recreational cavers (and spelunkers) still haven't
> heard about WNS, wouldn't know how to identify it if they
> saw infected bats, and the agencies can't know if such
> people could be trusted to notify the proper authorities if
> they DID find it. Hence the rash of cave closings by the
> NPS, USFS & BLM. The CRF has agreements in several
> regions of the country to perform survey and monitoring work
> in caves that are otherwise closed to the general public.


  

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS and Cave Access

[R D Milhollin]

I may not be up-to-date on the reported studies being done on the subject, but 
are there conclusive, convincing, or even supporting data available that show 
WNS transmission by cavers has actually taken place? I understand the 
possibility exists, but I am unaware that humans have been actually implicated 
in the transmission of the fungus from cave to cave. Is there reason to doubt 
the effectiveness of the decontamination protocol for disinfecting gear and 
clothing used in contaminated caves? Should the practice of not using gear in 
uncontaminated caves once it has been in contaminated caves be sufficient to 
assure cross-contamination will not occur (assuming the caver showers and 
disinfects the body between trips)? I know there are other conscientious cavers 
out there who question what might seem to be an unfounded restriction on caving 
in WNS areas by government agencies that control access to the caves. Also, how 
are cave closings by the agencies going
 to keep uninformed recreational cavers or just plain trespassers from going 
into the caves? It would seem that the blanket restriction will only keep out 
the serious (non-CRF) cavers who are probably the best resource to to 
government cave managers for monitoring and documenting the goings-on at the 
caves in question, and whose organizations are probably responsible for a large 
amount of the education about WNS that is happening.

--- On Fri, 3/4/11, Diana Tomchick  wrote:


> Actually, in this day and age of WNS,
> all caves that shelter bats should really be considered to
> belong to the bats. ...

> Many recreational cavers (and spelunkers) still haven't
> heard about WNS, wouldn't know how to identify it if they
> saw infected bats, and the agencies can't know if such
> people could be trusted to notify the proper authorities if
> they DID find it. Hence the rash of cave closings by the
> NPS, USFS & BLM. The CRF has agreements in several
> regions of the country to perform survey and monitoring work
> in caves that are otherwise closed to the general public.


  

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[Texascavers] WNS found in North Carolina :

[JerryAtkin]

Bat Fungus Found in  Avery   
(http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?view=article&catid=1&id=11228:bat-fungus-found-in-avery&format=pdf&option=com_con
tent)   
(http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?view=article&catid=1&id=11228:bat-fungus-found-in-avery&tmpl=component&print=1&layout=default&page=&option
=com_content)   
(http://www.goblueridge.net/index.php?option=com_mailto&tmpl=component&link=aHR0cDovL3d3dy5nb2JsdWVyaWRnZS5uZXQvaW5kZXgucGhwP29wdGlvbj1j
b21fY29udGVudCZ2aWV3PWFydGljbGUmaWQ9MTEyMjg6YmF0LWZ1bmd1cy1mb3VuZC1pbi1hdmVy
eSZjYXRpZD0x) Written by Steve FrankWednesday, 09 February 2011 
10:31 AM
(http://www.goblueridge.net/images/stories/2011news/bat%20fungus%20in%20avery1.jpg)
  
White-nose syndrome, the disease that has killed hundreds of thousands  of 
bats in the Eastern United States, has been discovered in a retired  Avery 
County mine and in a cave at Grandfather Mountain State Park,  marking the 
arrival of the disease in North Carolina.  
(http://www.goblueridge.net/images/stories/2011news/bat%20researcher.jpg) 
“White-nose syndrome is confirmed in 
Virginia and  Tennessee, so we expected we would be one of the next states 
to see the  disease,” said Gabrielle Graeter, a biologist with the N.C. 
Wildlife  Resources Commission. “This discovery marks the arrival of one of the 
most  devastating threats to bat conservation in our time.”

Although  scientists have yet to fully understand white-nose syndrome, 
current  knowledge indicates it’s likely caused by a newly discovered fungus,  
Geomyces destructans , which often grows into white tufts on the muzzles  of 
infected bats, hence the disease’s name. The first evidence of this  fungus 
was collected in a New York state cave in 2006. Since then, it  appears to 
have spread north into Canada and as far south as Tennessee,  which reported 
its first occurrence last winter, and now North Carolina.  In the Northeast, 
the disease has decimated some species of bats. It seems  to be most fatal 
during the winter months, when hundreds of bats are  hibernating together in 
caves and mines. It’s not known if the disease  will similarly affect all 
species in all regions of the country, though  bat mortality and the 
diversity of species affected in the Northeast  suggest the impacts will be 
significant.

On Feb. 1, a team of  Commission biologists were conducting a bat inventory 
of the closed mine  where they saw numerous bats displaying symptomatic 
white patches of  fungus on their skin. Five bats from the mine were sent to 
the  Southeastern Cooperative Wildlife Disease Study unit at the University of 
 Georgia for testing, which confirmed the presence of white-nose syndrome.  

In late January, a team of state, federal, and private biologists  were 
conducting a bat inventory of a cave at Grandfather Mountain when  they 
discovered a single dead bat. Following state white-nose syndrome  surveillance 
protocols, the bat was sent for testing and it has been  confirmed for 
white-nose syndrome.  

The discovery of  white-nose syndrome comes as Commission biologists work 
through bat  inventory and white-nose syndrome surveillance efforts at 
numerous caves  and mines in western North Carolina this winter as part of a 
grant 
awarded  by the Service to several states on the leading edge of the disease
’s  spread.

North Carolina is home to three federally endangered bats,  the Virginia 
big-eared, Indiana, and gray. Virginia big-eared bats are  known from the 
Grandfather Mountain cave and have been seen in the Avery  county mine, though 
not recently. Thus far, the disease has not been  observed in Virginia 
big-eared bats farther north, however it has greatly  impacted Indiana bat 
populations at infected caves and mines. Both of the  North Carolina sites have 
Eastern small-footed, little brown, Northern  long-eared, and tri-colored bats 
while big brown bats are also found at  the mine – all bat species that have 
been affected to some degree by  white-nose syndrome in the Northeast.

“The discovery does not bode  well for the future of many species of bats 
in western North Carolina,”  said Sue Cameron with the U.S. Fish & Wildlife 
Service. “Although  researchers are working hard to learn more about the 
disease, right now so  little is known. There has been some evidence that 
humans 
may  inadvertently spread the disease from cave to cave, so one simple step 
 people can take to help bats is to stay out of caves and  mines.”

“Cavers are passionate about what they do and we truly  understand that 
asking them to stay out of caves is no small request and  we greatly appreciate 
their sacrifice,” said Cameron, noting that the  western North Carolina 
caving club, Flittermouse Grotto, has been very  supportive of efforts to 
protect the area’s bats.

In 2009, fearing  the disease could be transferred from cave to cave by 
humans, the Service  released a cave advisory asking people to refrain from 
entering caves in  states where

[Texascavers] WNS makes the financial news

[germanyj]

An 'Unprecedented' Bat Die-Off Could Devastate U.S. Agriculture
http://www.dailyfinance.com/story/bat-die-off-could-devastate-us-agriculture/19669951/

[Texascavers] WNS articles

[Mark Minton]

There is a good article on WNS with some new information and 
experiments at 
. 
Info on USFWS grants awarded for studying WNS is 
here: 
.


Mark Minton

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[Texascavers] WNS in Defenders [of Wildlife] Magazine:

[caverarch]

Article on WNS in Defenders [of Wildlife] Magazine:

http://www.defenders.org/newsroom/defenders_magazine/fall_2010/flying_in_the_dark.php

=

[Texascavers] WNS policies south of la frontera

[Jim Evatt]

It would be interesting to hear if any bat caves in Mexico or Central 
America are closed, or require decontamination procedures, in order to 
enter.  Our norteamericano preventative procedures would seem to have 
limited value if migratory bat species can catch  - or spread - destructans 
from their roosts futher south.


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[Texascavers] WNS Fungus Genome Sequenced

[Mark Minton]

Mark Minton

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS on Science Friday right now!

[Daniel Morgan]

Here's a good video about WNS  they just posted to the Science Friday
website:

 http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201008061

And here's a cool needle felted bat a friend of mine just finished. I have
dibs on this one, but she is thinking of making a batch of them and selling
them with part of the proceeds going to Bat Conservation International. I
told her that if she does that she should bring them out to TCR.


http://www.creturfetur.com/2010/08/finished-needle-felted-mexican-free.html

She has more stuff on her Etsy page. She had a cave salamander up at one
point.

 http://www.etsy.com/shop/CreturFetur?ref=seller_info

-Daniel Morgan

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 1:09 PM, Rick Corbell  wrote:

>
> http://sciencefriday.com/
> Rick Corbell
>
>
>
>
>

[Texascavers] WNS on Science Friday right now!

[Rick Corbell]

http://sciencefriday.com/
Rick Corbell
 

 

  

Re: [Texascavers] WNS money

[JerryAtkin]

 
Probably somewhere in the middle of these two opposing views lies the  
truth. While there have been some notable examples of endangered species 
studies 
 that were extremely self-serving, the potential impact of WNS on bats and  
other related members of the cave ecosystem are extraordinarily  severe.  
Given the gravity of the situation, I favor funding responsible  research 
agencies that may help in future, if not the present, species die-offs.  It may 
be too late to save the bats from WNS, but learning how to contain and  
manage future pandemics has potential payoffs that are far reaching.
 
Jerry.
 
 In a message dated 7/24/2010 7:23:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,  
andrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com writes:

Bill,
I can always count on you for a cynical and clueless  rant about 
conservation and endangered species.  The whole "endangered  species biologists 
are 
involved in a money-making scheme" is my  favorite.  Look at their shoes, 
Bill.  Those people ain't got no  money.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.
700 Billie Brooks  Drive
Driftwood, Texas 78619
(512)  799-1095
a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Mixon Bill   wrote:


From:  Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS  money
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date:  Friday, July 23, 2010, 6:48 PM

In my view, tax dollars for WNS research is just  special-interest pork for 
"WNS scientists" and their assistants. What,  realistically, might be 
discovered that is actually useful to _bats_, not  just a few people's wallets? 
Hard to absolutely prove nothing, but I  wouldn't bet a nickel of my own 
money on it. Read Tom Aley's article in the  February NSS News about possible 
WNS management strategies. Aley does  recommend more research, but then he has 
to--he's a member of the  scientists' union.

If you do write, don't just copy that letter. Most  congressmen aren't 
stupid, despite all appearances to the contrary, and they  spot a 
letter-writing 
campaign for what it's worth. --  Mixon

Re: [Texascavers] WNS money

[Andy Gluesenkamp]

Bill,
  I can always count on you for a cynical and clueless rant about conservation 
and endangered species.  The whole "endangered species biologists are involved 
in a money-making scheme" is my favorite.  Look at their shoes, Bill.  Those 
people ain't got no money.

Andy

Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D.

700 Billie Brooks Drive

Driftwood, Texas 78619

(512) 799-1095

a...@gluesenkamp.com

--- On Fri, 7/23/10, Mixon Bill  wrote:

From: Mixon Bill 
Subject: [Texascavers] WNS money
To: "Cavers Texas" 
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Friday, July 23, 2010, 6:48 PM

In my view, tax dollars for WNS research is just special-interest pork for "WNS 
scientists" and their assistants. What, realistically, might be discovered that 
is actually useful to _bats_, not just a few people's wallets? Hard to 
absolutely prove nothing, but I wouldn't bet a nickel of my own money on it. 
Read Tom Aley's article in the February NSS News about possible WNS management 
strategies. Aley does recommend more research, but then he has to--he's a 
member of the scientists' union.

If you do write, don't just copy that letter. Most congressmen aren't stupid, 
despite all appearances to the contrary, and they spot a letter-writing 
campaign for what it's worth. -- Mixon

May the last lawyer be strangled with the entrials of the last priest.

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[Texascavers] WNS money

[Mixon Bill]

In my view, tax dollars for WNS research is just special-interest pork  
for "WNS scientists" and their assistants. What, realistically, might  
be discovered that is actually useful to _bats_, not just a few  
people's wallets? Hard to absolutely prove nothing, but I wouldn't bet  
a nickel of my own money on it. Read Tom Aley's article in the  
February NSS News about possible WNS management strategies. Aley does  
recommend more research, but then he has to--he's a member of the  
scientists' union.


If you do write, don't just copy that letter. Most congressmen aren't  
stupid, despite all appearances to the contrary, and they spot a  
letter-writing campaign for what it's worth. -- Mixon


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Re: [Texascavers] WNS in Texas

[Josh Rubinstein]

Mark,

I may be jumping the gun but I just watched WNS pit cavers against state
park and wildlife officials in Virginia.  Cooperative relationships that
were built over years are now defensive, at the least.

We know next to nothing about WNS.  We do not know how it is transported.
We do not know how long it takes to show up.  We do not know how it kills.
All we know is Geomyctes is present and that WNS kills.  When TPWD
"restricts access" to its caves, they are trying to put a barrier between
the disease and the bats, not as a long term management plan, but to buy
some time until we know enough to have an effective strategy.  I would guess
the reason they say restrict, and not close, is because they will need us to
collect the necessary data.  That may include getting a baseline inventory,
collecting samples, and even, yes, mapping caves.  When we meet with those
whose job it is to protect the bats, I would rather we discuss a strategy to
save them than argue over "restricted access".

Josh

On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 7:54 AM, mark gee  wrote:

>  2 cents:
> I guess this means that our Colorado Bend project might have to be posponed
> until this WNS is over. The Texas Parks and Wildlife  memo said that caves
> with bats would be closed to entry. Alot of the caves at CBSP dont have bats
> and the caves we are surveying, it is not always known weather they have
> bats or not. Some caves have been explored and mapped and bats not seen.
> Will we be able to visit these caves? I hope that we will still be able to
> visit those but on the side of caution, these too may be closed. This is a
> serious situation. We must all do our part to try to contain this WNS. I
> hope that our warmer caves here might isolate our Texas caves from the WNS.
> I would like to here what the rest of you think and hear some of your
> comments.
> Mark G
> Happy Caving!
>
>

[Texascavers] WNS in Texas

[mark gee]

2 cents: 
I guess this means that our Colorado Bend project might have to be posponed 
until this WNS is over. The Texas Parks and Wildlife  memo said that caves with 
bats would be closed to entry. Alot of the caves at CBSP dont have bats and the 
caves we are surveying, it is not always known weather they have bats or not. 
Some caves have been explored and mapped and bats not seen. Will we be able to 
visit these caves? I hope that we will still be able to visit those but on the 
side of caution, these too may be closed. This is a serious situation. We must 
all do our part to try to contain this WNS. I hope that our warmer caves here 
might isolate our Texas caves from the WNS. I would like to here what the rest 
of you think and hear some of your comments. 
Mark G
Happy Caving!


  

Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

[Rod Goke]

John,How would their proposed ban have affected commercial tourist trips in caves occupied by bats on Federal land? Did they propose to keep paying tourists out of Mammoth, Carlsbad, etc., or did they choose to look the other way in any Federally owned caves where significant money and political influence might have been involved?Just curious,Rod-Original Message-
From: John Brooks 
Sent: May 20, 2010 5:59 PM
To: Stefan Creaser 
Cc: texas cavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has pointed that out to us many times.2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby Sent from my iPhoneOn May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser" <stefan.crea...@arm.com> wrote:



If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t
be responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 





From: John Brooks
[mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action





 



This is the same group that wanted to
"administratively" close ALL caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal
lands in the continental US because of WNS.





 





I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 





 





But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the
organizations past poorly considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone






On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young" <youn...@centurytel.net> wrote:









The
Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking for
more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:





 





http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815





 






Sam











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RE: [Texascavers] WNS action

[Stefan Creaser]

The winking smiley was supposed to denote a tongue-in-cheek comment. Oh well…

 

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 4:59 PM
To: Stefan Creaser
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

 

 

1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has 
pointed that out to us many times.

 

2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.

Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby

 

 


Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser"  wrote:

If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be 
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
    Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL 
caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of 
WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past 
poorly considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young"  wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to 
congress asking for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition 
here:

 


http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

 

 Sam

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

[John Brooks]

1. A human connection has not been proven one way or the other. Mr. Kennedy has 
pointed that out to us many times.

2. The proposed "ban" would NOT have impacted access to caves on private land.
Nor would it have prohibited infected bats from visiting other caves nearby
 


Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 3:29 PM, "Stefan Creaser"  wrote:

If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn’t be 
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, 
occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly 
considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young"  wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:

 

http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

 

 Sam

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RE: [Texascavers] WNS action

[Stefan Creaser]

If all the (federal) caves are closed, then perhaps humans wouldn't be
responsible for the cross-contamination of bat colonies.

 

Just a thought ;-)

 

Stefan

 

From: John Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 3:19 PM
Cc: texas cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

 

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL
caves, occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US
because of WNS.

 

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past
poorly considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone


On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young"  wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to
congress asking for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the
petition here:

 


http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=38
15

 

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Re: [Texascavers] WNS action

[John Brooks]

This is the same group that wanted to "administratively" close ALL caves, 
occupied by bats on ALL federal lands in the continental US because of WNS.

I am all for increasing funding for WNS research. 

But I am NOT going to sign this petition due to the organizations past poorly 
considered proposals. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 20, 2010, at 2:35 PM, "Sam Young"  wrote:

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:
 
http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815
 
 Sam

[Texascavers] WNS action

[Sam Young]

The Center for Biological Diversity is organizing a petition to congress asking 
for more funding for WNS research.  You can see the petition here:

http://action.biologicaldiversity.org/p/dia/action/public/?action_KEY=3815

 Sam

[Texascavers] WNS correction, not yet in Kentucky

[George Veni]

Last week I posted a message that someone at the U.S. Fish and Wildlife
Service told me that WNS was found in Kentucky. This morning I received a
correction. It turns out that someone from USFWS in Kentucky reported WNS in
a cave in the Land Between the Lakes area, and it was assumed to be a cave
on the Kentucky side of the border when it fact it was Dunbar Cave in
Tennessee (where WNS was recently discovered). My apologies for the
confusion. Unfortunately, it is probably just a matter of time before it is
found in Kentucky.

 

George

 

 

 

[Texascavers] WNS Article in New Scientist

[Mark Minton]

As mentioned on another list, there are both an editorial 
and a new article on WNS in New Scientist:





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[Texascavers] WNS in TN

[Josh Rubinstein]

And the bad news keeps coming.

http://news.tennesseeanytime.org/node/4596

Josh

[Texascavers] WNS Confirmed in NE Tennessee

[Preston Forsythe]

News out today that WNS has been confirmed from a cave in NE Tennessee near 
Bristol. More info later.

Preston in Western KY

[Texascavers] WNS Info and Possible Treatment

[Mark Minton]

There is a lot of WNS info, pictures and video at 
.  I found the very last 
item on the page called WNS Survivors interesting.  It claims that 
WNS-infected bats can be successfully treated with apple cider 
vinegar!  A bit labor intensive as described, but perhaps some kind 
of spraying program could be used in critical habitats if this works 
in the wild.


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[Texascavers] WNS Decon and Nylon

[Mark Minton]

Hazel Barton and Sterling Ropes have just released results 
of tests to determine whether quaternary ammonium compounds harm rope 
and 
webbing: 
<http://www.caves.org/WNS/Sterling%20Results.pdf>. 
They tested both nylon and polyester rope.  As you can see, there is 
essentially no effect on strength.  This is in accord with the 
chemistry of nylon and polyester and is what I would have 
expected.  Note that these results are for Sterling products only, 
but they can be reasonably assumed to apply to other manufacturers' 
products as well.  The only thing I found strange is that they tested 
at a minimum concentration of only 0.15% quaternary ammonium 
compounds, while the decon procedures call for 0.3%.  Nevertheless, I 
don't think that will make any difference.


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