Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Fritz Holt via Texascavers]

You mean all this good non caving information?
Fritz Holt
fritz...@gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know 
> who posted all this good information. 
> 
> Jim Kennedy
> 
> Mobile email from my iPhone
> 
> 
> Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
> related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
> it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
> through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all 
> live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone 
> Star fever?
>> 
>> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing 
>> specific to Zika. 
>> 
>> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
>> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
>> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 
>> 1 million people a year. 
>> 
>> RK
>> 
>> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
>> Symptoms of Zika virus
>> 
>> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. 
>> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 
>> Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 
>> Fever
>> Rash
>> Joint pain
>> Conjunctivitis (red eyes)
>> Muscle pain
>> Headache
>> Pain behind the eyes
>> Vomiting.
>> According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people 
>> infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the 
>> figure is 1 in 5. 
>> In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing 
>> Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré 
>> syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central 
>> nervous system.6 
>> Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant 
>> hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a 
>> result.6 
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Lyndon Tiu via Texascavers]

Gmail screenshot ... see image attachment with names of senders ... not
sure if cavetex allows images in emails ... if not oh too bad sorry.

[image: Inline image 1]

On Wed, May 25, 2016 at 6:37 AM, Jacqueline Thomas via Texascavers <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> Strangely enough, I used to see names, if only  occasionally, but for this
> thread I see only “texascavers@texascavers.com. Even on this reply. This
> might have been caused by an Apple update but the fact remains, not
> everyone can see who is mailing to the texascavers remailer. Jacqui
>
>
> J. LaRue Thomas
> jlrtho...@verizon.net
>
>
> > On May 24, 2016, at 9:11 PM, Don Arburn via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply.
> >
> >
> > --Don
> >
> > On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as
> "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature
> follows.)
> >>
> >> Scott D. Boyd
> >> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
> >> Professional Transportation, Inc.
> >>
> >> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" <
> texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
> >> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being
> from texascavers.com.  Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put
> your name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author.  It's a
> common courtesy.
> >>
> >> Jim Kennedy
> >>
> >> 
> >> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
> >>
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[George-Paul Richmann via Texascavers]

Smallpox.   Mic drop on anyone anti vax.

Also, for Texas cavers it sounds like signing emails is a bigger issue then
zika. Just saying.

-gp
On May 24, 2016 10:21 PM, "Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

Malaria is a parasite not a virus, different bird.

We actually do pretty good job developing resistence to chickenpox, hence
vaccination program wasn't deemed viable until 1990s. And vaccines aren't
harmless - no autism significance as of now - but small but real
possibility of demyelinating processes. Vaccine is completely effective in
40 percent of kids. Childhood varicella vaccinations are also likely
responsible for adult shingles epidemic now - vaccine just isn't as good at
long term protection. No need to worry - there are medication and vaccine
for shingles now!! And more research is always needed;).

No such thing as no risk in investment - or medicine.

RK

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 01:01:59 +

> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
>
> Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and
chickenpox?
>
> Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still
being developed, due to problems with resistance.
>
> Diana
>
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
>
> > On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> >
> > Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9
billion dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and
prevention. Or about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes.
Few billion will follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by
public 10 years from now. What's a few billions among friends?
> >
> > But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across
southern us until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain
resistence. Then likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will
become just like any of hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more
to follow. Next year look out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal
noses and prompts another emergent spending bill;).
> >
> > Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing
special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing
special, except CV padding material.
> >
> > Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;).
> >
> > RK
> >
> > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 +
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > >
> > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else
has, Rafal Kedzierski.
> > >
> > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your
background.
> > >
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > **
> > > Diana R. Tomchick
> > > Professor
> > > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> > > Rm. ND10.214A
> > > Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> > > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> > > (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> > > (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> > >
> > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.
> > > >
> > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For
that we just need 'mo taxes'.
> > > >
> > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than
likely maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no
more 'mo'.
> > > >
> > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist.
> > > >
> > > > RK
> > > >
> > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > >
> > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to
worry about and see how far that argument gets you.
> > > > >
> > > > > Perhaps we should tell people in 

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Malaria is a parasite not a virus, different bird.

We actually do pretty good job developing resistence to chickenpox, hence 
vaccination program wasn't deemed viable until 1990s. And vaccines aren't 
harmless - no autism significance as of now - but small but real possibility of 
demyelinating processes. Vaccine is completely effective in 40 percent of kids. 
Childhood varicella vaccinations are also likely responsible for adult shingles 
epidemic now - vaccine just isn't as good at long term protection. No need to 
worry - there are medication and vaccine for shingles now!! And more research 
is always needed;).

No such thing as no risk in investment - or medicine.

RK

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2016 01:01:59 +
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> 
> Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and 
> chickenpox?
> 
> Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still being 
> developed, due to problems with resistance.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
> > On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> > 
> > Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion 
> > dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or 
> > about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion 
> > will follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 
> > years from now. What's a few billions among friends? 
> > 
> > But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern 
> > us until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then 
> > likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any 
> > of hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year 
> > look out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts 
> > another emergent spending bill;).
> > 
> > Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing 
> > special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing 
> > special, except CV padding material.
> > 
> > Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;).
> > 
> > RK
> > 
> > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 +
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > 
> > > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, 
> > > Rafal Kedzierski.
> > > 
> > > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your 
> > > background.
> > > 
> > > Diana
> > > 
> > > **
> > > Diana R. Tomchick
> > > Professor
> > > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> > > Rm. ND10.214A
> > > Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> > > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> > > (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> > > (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> > > 
> > > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.
> > > > 
> > > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that 
> > > > we just need 'mo taxes'.
> > > > 
> > > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely 
> > > > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 
> > > > 'mo'. 
> > > > 
> > > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist.
> > > > 
> > > > RK
> > > > 
> > > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry 
> > > > > > about and see how far that argument gets you.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Perhaps 

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Not on every mail reader. Not on my iPhone, until I attempt reply.


--Don

> On May 24, 2016, at 9:03 PM, Scott Boyd via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as "Crash 
> Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature follows.)
> 
> Scott D. Boyd
> GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
> Professional Transportation, Inc.
> 
>> On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" 
>>  wrote:
>> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from 
>> texascavers.com.  Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your 
>> name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author.  It's a common 
>> courtesy.
>> 
>> Jim Kennedy
>> 
>> 
>>> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Scott Boyd via Texascavers]

A thread of 17 messages so far and I see every sender's name, such as
"Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" at the top of the email. (Yes, my signature
follows.)

Scott D. Boyd
GPS Technician - TX, LA, AR
Professional Transportation, Inc.
On May 24, 2016 8:16 PM, "Crash Kennedy via Texascavers" <
texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:

> But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from
> texascavers.com.  Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your
> name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author.  It's a common
> courtesy.
>
> Jim Kennedy
>
> 
>
>> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Crash Kennedy via Texascavers]

But CaveTex strips out the senders name, so it just shows up as being from
texascavers.com.  Therefore, if you (and everyone else) fails to put your
name at the end of your posting, none of us know the author.  It's a common
courtesy.

Jim Kennedy



> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

The remailer for texascavers doesn't show it unless replied to. 

--Don

> My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Develop resistance in the same way that we’ve done with malaria and chickenpox?

Thanks goodness for vaccines and anti-malarial drugs…which are still being 
developed, due to problems with resistance.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On May 24, 2016, at 7:37 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> 
> Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion 
> dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or 
> about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion will 
> follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 years 
> from now. What's a few billions among friends? 
> 
> But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern us 
> until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then 
> likely 95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any of 
> hundreds of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year look 
> out for Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts another 
> emergent spending bill;).
> 
> Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing 
> special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing special, 
> except CV padding material.
> 
> Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;).
> 
> RK
> 
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 +
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > 
> > Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, 
> > Rafal Kedzierski.
> > 
> > It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background.
> > 
> > Diana
> > 
> > **
> > Diana R. Tomchick
> > Professor
> > Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> > Rm. ND10.214A
> > Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> > diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> > (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> > (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> > 
> > > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.
> > > 
> > > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that 
> > > we just need 'mo taxes'.
> > > 
> > > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely 
> > > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 
> > > 'mo'. 
> > > 
> > > That's coming from a physician and a scientist.
> > > 
> > > RK
> > > 
> > > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > > 
> > > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry 
> > > > > about and see how far that argument gets you.
> > > > 
> > > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get 
> > > > pregnant?
> > > > 
> > > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
> > > > 
> > > > Stefan Creaser
> > > > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> > > > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> > > > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> > > > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
> > > > 
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On 
> > > > Behalf Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
> > > > To: Cave Tex
> > > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > > 
> > > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 
> > > > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k 
> > > > > people die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in 
> > > > > India. Malaria kills 1 million people a year.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, but not every virus 

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[George D. Nincehelser via Texascavers]

Slow learner.  Wow.  I guess you don't know me very well.

The third plague was lice/gnats/flees (depending on your translation
of Hebrew).  Look up Exodus 8:16.  It's not a great leap of logic to
figure that could have led to the diseases of the later plagues.

My full name is in my email.  I haven't used a .sig since the '90s.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 7:25 PM, Mixon Bill via Texascavers
 wrote:
> Reply to yet another unsigned post by a slow learner. I'm no Biblical 
> scholar, but I don't think insects had anything at all to do with the ten 
> plagues of Egypt, except, for course, for the locusts that were themselves 
> one of them. Check your Old Testament.
>
> Until fairly recently (nineteenth century?), malaria wasn't associated with 
> mosquitoes, and the same is true of yellow fever, etc. One reads of malaria 
> being caused by miasmas associated with swamps and marshes. In fact, malaria 
> is _named for_ bad air. Of course the ancients might have made some correct 
> associations that then were forgotten, only to be resurrected later.
> -- Mixon
> 
> What great comfort is there to be derived from a wife well obeyed!—Anthony 
> Trollope, Barchester Towers
> 
> You may "reply" to the address this message
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Your medical industrial complex is wanting you to write them a 1.9 billion 
dollar check for initial funding for Zika virus research and prevention. Or 
about 40 dollars for each of those households paying taxes. Few billion will 
follow every year from now on until story is forgotten by public 10 years from 
now. What's a few billions among friends? 

But this will likely not change anything. Zika will spread across southern us 
until it becomes ubiquitous and is population will gain resistence. Then likely 
95% of complications will disappear. This will become just like any of hundreds 
of minimally pathologic viruses, with more to follow. Next year look out for 
Kiki virus - one that elongates fetal noses and prompts another emergent 
spending bill;).

Cytomegalovirus and varicella invade brains of fetuses, Zika is nothing 
special. Dozens of other viruses grow in neuronal cultures - nothing special, 
except CV padding material.

Messenger doesn't change the message. And it was signed;).

RK

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 22:27:10 +
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> 
> Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, Rafal 
> Kedzierski.
> 
> It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
> > On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> > 
> > Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.
> > 
> > Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we 
> > just need 'mo taxes'.
> > 
> > Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely 
> > maternal fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 
> > 'mo'. 
> > 
> > That's coming from a physician and a scientist.
> > 
> > RK
> > 
> > > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > > 
> > > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry 
> > > > about and see how far that argument gets you.
> > > 
> > > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get 
> > > pregnant?
> > > 
> > > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
> > > 
> > > Stefan Creaser
> > > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> > > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> > > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> > > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
> > > 
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf 
> > > Of Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
> > > To: Cave Tex
> > > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > > 
> > > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 
> > > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k 
> > > > people die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in 
> > > > India. Malaria kills 1 million people a year.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in 
> > > embryonic cell cultures.
> > > 
> > > "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates 
> > > Their Growth”
> > > Tang, Hengli et al.
> > > Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590
> > > 
> > > For a freely available description of this research,
> > > 
> > > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells
> > > 
> > > The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather 
> > > well:
> > > 
> > > "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the 
> > > placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”
> > > 
> > > If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the 
> > > population is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of 
> > > childbearing age (50 million) a

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Mixon Bill via Texascavers]

Reply to yet another unsigned post by a slow learner. I'm no Biblical scholar, 
but I don't think insects had anything at all to do with the ten plagues of 
Egypt, except, for course, for the locusts that were themselves one of them. 
Check your Old Testament.

Until fairly recently (nineteenth century?), malaria wasn't associated with 
mosquitoes, and the same is true of yellow fever, etc. One reads of malaria 
being caused by miasmas associated with swamps and marshes. In fact, malaria is 
_named for_ bad air. Of course the ancients might have made some correct 
associations that then were forgotten, only to be resurrected later.
-- Mixon

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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[George D. Nincehelser via Texascavers]

>It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of the 
>religious text even though they are believed to have predated all hominids

Perhaps not by specific name, but you might want to read about the 10
plagues of Egypt.

Biting insects lead up to diseased livestock, boils, and the death of children.

I have no clue what your parents taught you about religion, but you
certainly came away with some weird ideas about it.

On Tue, May 24, 2016 at 6:04 PM, David via Texascavers
 wrote:
> It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of the
> religious text even though they are believed to have predated all hominids.
>
> There is a common story about a giant immortal invisible talking snake that
> travels the Earth faster than the speed of light talking telepathically to
> every human simultaneously, and on a whim changes shape into a large ugly
> red homonid with horns that has all the magical powers of fire, lava and
> brimstone.The only part of that I have a hard time believing is he or
> she being on opposite sides of the Earth at the same exact moment he or she
> is deep down in the Earth's core.
>
> My own loving mother, who is a teacher, bless her soul, firmly believes this
> story as an undeniable fact, as does my stepfather who has a PHD in computer
> science and a Masters in Physics, as did my loving grandmother, and my
> entire family, as do the candidates for POTUS.
>
> I was force-fed that story for 17 years, before escaping on my own will
> power.
>
> In summary, it is a good idea to install bug-zappers around the patio and
> porch and in southeast Texas install them in the house.
>
> David Locklear
>
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[David via Texascavers]

It is interesting that there is no mention of scary mosquitoes in any of
the religious text even though they are believed to have predated all
hominids.

There is a common story about a giant immortal invisible talking snake that
travels the Earth faster than the speed of light talking telepathically to
every human simultaneously, and on a whim changes shape into a large ugly
red homonid with horns that has all the magical powers of fire, lava and
brimstone.The only part of that I have a hard time believing is he or
she being on opposite sides of the Earth at the same exact moment he or she
is deep down in the Earth's core.

My own loving mother, who is a teacher, bless her soul, firmly believes
this story as an undeniable fact, as does my stepfather who has a PHD in
computer science and a Masters in Physics, as did my loving grandmother,
and my entire family, as do the candidates for POTUS.

I was force-fed that story for 17 years, before escaping on my own will
power.

In summary, it is a good idea to install bug-zappers around the patio and
porch and in southeast Texas install them in the house.

David Locklear
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

Just because you’ve already procreated doesn’t mean everyone else has, Rafal 
Kedzierski.

It’s ironic that you should be against more research, given your background.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On May 24, 2016, at 5:22 PM, texascavers@texascavers.com wrote:
> 
> Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.
> 
> Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we 
> just need 'mo taxes'.
> 
> Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely maternal 
> fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 'mo'. 
> 
> That's coming from a physician and a scientist.
> 
> RK
> 
> > To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> > 
> > > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about 
> > > and see how far that argument gets you.
> > 
> > Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get 
> > pregnant?
> > 
> > (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
> > 
> > Stefan Creaser
> > Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> > 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> > Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> > Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
> > 
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> > Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
> > To: Cave Tex
> > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> > 
> > > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 
> > > mothers infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people 
> > > die in traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. 
> > > Malaria kills 1 million people a year.
> > 
> > 
> > Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in 
> > embryonic cell cultures.
> > 
> > "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their 
> > Growth”
> > Tang, Hengli et al.
> > Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590
> > 
> > For a freely available description of this research,
> > 
> > http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells
> > 
> > The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well:
> > 
> > "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the 
> > placenta and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”
> > 
> > If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population 
> > is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 
> > million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 
> > million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that 
> > would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus.
> > 
> > Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly.
> > 
> > So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected 
> > with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 
> > 6,250 children born with microcephaly.
> > 
> > 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live 
> > independently, and probably will not live very long lives.
> > 
> > According to the CDC 
> > (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html),
> > 
> > "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking 
> > systems have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 
> > live births to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.”
> > 
> > That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller 
> > number than 1%.
> > 
> > "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated 
> > decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever 
> > and rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil 
> > last year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of 
> > babies born with microcephaly.”
> > 
> 

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Yes, living is scary and it ends in death, funny how that goes.

Every new scary story just needs 'mo money' for 'mo research'. For that we just 
need 'mo taxes'.

Look, when every potential mother aquites immunity, more than likely maternal 
fetal infections will cease. Sometimes you don't need no more 'mo'. 

That's coming from a physician and a scientist.

RK

> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Date: Tue, 24 May 2016 21:43:41 +
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> From: texascavers@texascavers.com
> 
> > Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about 
> > and see how far that argument gets you.
> 
> Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant?
> 
> (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
> 
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
> Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
> Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
> To: Cave Tex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika
> 
> > Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> > infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> > traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 
> > 1 million people a year.
> 
> 
> Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic 
> cell cultures.
> 
> "Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their 
> Growth”
> Tang, Hengli et al.
> Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590
> 
> For a freely available description of this research,
> 
> http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells
> 
> The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well:
> 
> "Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta 
> and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”
> 
> If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population 
> is female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 
> million) and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 
> million), and 1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that 
> would be 25,000 children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus.
> 
> Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly.
> 
> So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected 
> with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 
> 6,250 children born with microcephaly.
> 
> 6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live 
> independently, and probably will not live very long lives.
> 
> According to the CDC 
> (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html),
> 
> "Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems 
> have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births 
> to about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.”
> 
> That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number 
> than 1%.
> 
> "Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated 
> decades ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and 
> rash. But after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last 
> year, doctors there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born 
> with microcephaly.”
> 
> This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical 
> community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens 
> are as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star 
> fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with 
> antibiotics.
> 
> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
> see how far that argument gets you.
> 
> Diana
> 
> **
> Diana R. Tomchick
> Professor
> Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
> University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
> 5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
> Rm. ND10.214A
> Dallas, TX 75390-8816
> diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
> (214) 645-6383 (phone)
> (214) 645-6353 (fax)
> 
> > On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
> > wrote:
> >
> > Just to provide a different perspect

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

Bloody Texan's and their educations... (or is that "Bloody Texins and thur 
edumcation"?)

Your suit would be, in this context, "Don's"

(facepalm).

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser


-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of Don 
Arburn via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 5:11 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika

What about my suit?

--Don

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
> <texascavers@texascavers.com> wrote:
>
> (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

What about my suit?

--Don

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:43 PM, Stefan Creaser via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

This is in fact what the Ministry of Health in El Salvador recommended back in 
January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/26/world/americas/el-salvadors-advice-on-zika-dont-have-babies.html?_r=0

Diana

>> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
>> see how far that argument gets you.
>
> Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant?
>
> (Dons fireproof suit) ;-)
>
> Stefan Creaser
> Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
> 5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
> Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
> Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser
**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Stefan Creaser via Texascavers]

> Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
> see how far that argument gets you.

Perhaps we should tell people in Zika infected countries to not get pregnant?

(Dons fireproof suit) ;-)

Stefan Creaser
Staff Design Engineer; Physical Design Group; ARM
5707 Southwest Parkway, Bldg 1, Suite 100, Austin, TX 78735, USA.
Direct: +1-512-314-1012, Internal: 11012.
Email: stefan.crea...@arm.com. Skype: stefan_creaser

-Original Message-
From: Texascavers [mailto:texascavers-boun...@texascavers.com] On Behalf Of 
Diana Tomchick via Texascavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2016 4:39 PM
To: Cave Tex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Zika

> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.


Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic 
cell cultures.

"Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their 
Growth”
Tang, Hengli et al.
Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590

For a freely available description of this research,

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells

The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well:

"Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta 
and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”

If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population is 
female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 million) 
and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 million), and 
1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that would be 25,000 
children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus.

Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly.

So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected 
with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 6,250 
children born with microcephaly.

6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live 
independently, and probably will not live very long lives.

According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html),

"Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems 
have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births to 
about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.”

That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number 
than 1%.

"Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated decades 
ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and rash. But 
after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last year, doctors 
there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born with 
microcephaly.”

This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical 
community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens are 
as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star 
fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with 
antibiotics.

Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
see how far that argument gets you.

Diana

**
Diana R. Tomchick
Professor
Departments of Biophysics and Biochemistry
University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center
5323 Harry Hines Blvd.
Rm. ND10.214A
Dallas, TX 75390-8816
diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu
(214) 645-6383 (phone)
(214) 645-6353 (fax)

> On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc <texascavers@texascavers.com> 
> wrote:
>
> Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
> related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
> it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
> through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all 
> live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone 
> Star fever?
>
> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing 
> specific to Zika.
>
> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.
>
> RK
>
> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
> Symptoms of Zika virus
>
> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. 
> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1
> Sympt

Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Diana Tomchick via Texascavers]

> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.


Yes, but not every virus causes problems with neural development in embryonic 
cell cultures.

"Zika Virus Infects Human Cortical Neural Progenitors and Attenuates Their 
Growth”
Tang, Hengli et al.
Cell Stem Cell , Volume 18 , Issue 5 , 587 - 590

For a freely available description of this research,

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/zika-virus-kills-developing-brain-cells

The very last sentence of this description sums up the problem rather well:

"Researchers also still need to figure out how the virus crosses the placenta 
and infects the fetus directly, something most viruses can’t do.”

If the population of Brazil is 205 million, and roughly half the population is 
female (~100 million), and of that only 50% is of childbearing age (50 million) 
and only 5% of that number plans to have a child this year (2.5 million), and 
1% of that number has children born with microcephaly, that would be 25,000 
children, if all the mothers were infected with Zika virus.

Let that sink in: 25,000 children born with microcephaly.

So let’s assume instead that only 25% of the potential mothers are infected 
with Zika virus and their babies have microcephaly. That would still mean 6,250 
children born with microcephaly.

6,250 children born with so little neural tissue that they will never live 
independently, and probably will not live very long lives.

According to the CDC (http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/birthdefects/microcephaly.html),

"Microcephaly is not a common condition. State birth defects tracking systems 
have estimated that microcephaly ranges from 2 babies per 10,000 live births to 
about 12 babies per 10,000 live births in the Unites States.”

That would be 0.02 - 0.12 % of live births in the U.S., a far smaller number 
than 1%.

"Zika virus, named after a forest in Uganda where it was first isolated decades 
ago, usually causes only mild symptoms in people, including fever and rash. But 
after the virus started spreading across northeastern Brazil last year, doctors 
there noticed a striking increase in the number of babies born with 
microcephaly.”

This is exactly what epidemiologists are supposed to do, alert the medical 
community to potential new health risks. Not all new viruses and pathogens are 
as terrifyingly dangerous as Ebola, nor as relatively ho-hum as Lone Star 
fever. One has a high risk of death and the other can be easily treated with 
antibiotics.

Try telling a potential parent that Zika is something not to worry about and 
see how far that argument gets you.

Diana

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> On May 24, 2016, at 3:45 PM, texas cavers tc  
> wrote:
>
> Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
> related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
> it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
> through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all 
> live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone 
> Star fever?
>
> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing 
> specific to Zika.
>
> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year.
>
> RK
>
> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
> Symptoms of Zika virus
>
> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. 
> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1
> Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2
> • Fever
> • Rash
> • Joint pain
> • Conjunctivitis (red eyes)
> • Muscle pain
> • Headache
> • Pain behind the eyes
> • Vomiting.
> According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people 
> infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the 
> figure is 1 in 5.
> In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing 
> Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré 
> syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central 
> nervous system.6
> Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant 
> hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a result.6
>
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Don Arburn via Texascavers]

Amen brother. It's not like this is a new issue or that it's never been 
mentioned before...


--Don Arburn

> On May 24, 2016, at 4:04 PM, Jim Kennedy via Texascavers 
>  wrote:
> 
> Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know 
> who posted all this good information. 
> 
> Jim Kennedy
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Jim Kennedy via Texascavers]

Damn, I wish people would remember to sign their emails. I would like to know 
who posted all this good information. 

Jim Kennedy

Mobile email from my iPhone

> 
> Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
> related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
> it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
> through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all 
> live in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone 
> Star fever?
> 
> Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing 
> specific to Zika. 
> 
> Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
> infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
> traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
> million people a year. 
> 
> RK
> 
> See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
> Symptoms of Zika virus
> 
> Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a week. 
> Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1 
> Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2 
> Fever
> Rash
> Joint pain
> Conjunctivitis (red eyes)
> Muscle pain
> Headache
> Pain behind the eyes
> Vomiting.
> According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people 
> infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the 
> figure is 1 in 5. 
> In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing 
> Guillain-Barré syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré 
> syndrome is a rare but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central 
> nervous system.6 
> Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant 
> hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a result.6 
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Zika

[Rafal Kedzierski via Texascavers]

Just to provide a different perspective, only 1 in 5 even know have Zika 
related illness when they are exposed.  It's not 'spiraling out of control' - 
it's new to North America, yes. It's likely one of many illnesses that go 
through populations and become part of the infectious tapestry that we all live 
in. Is anyone reading alarmist articles about Heartland virus or Lone Star 
fever?

Guillan-Barre syndrome is secondary to number of viruses, it's nothing specific 
to Zika. 

Microcephaly is seen in population in general, only about 1 in 100 mothers 
infected with Zika are affected. For comparison, about 40k people die in 
traffic accidents a year in brazil, 40K in US, 200K in India. Malaria kills 1 
million people a year. 

RK

See http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/305163.php
Symptoms of Zika virus


Signs and symptoms of Zika virus are vague and can last for up to a 
week. Diagnosis of the virus is typically confirmed with a blood test.1



Symptoms of Zika virus include:1,2


FeverRashJoint painConjunctivitis (red eyes)Muscle painHeadachePain behind the 
eyesVomiting.


According to the Pan American Health Organization (PAHO), only 1 in 4 people 
infected with Zika virus develop symptoms.5 In contrast, the CDC state the 
figure is 1 in 5.




In the past, there have also been reports of patients developing Guillain-Barré 
syndrome following a Zika virus infection. Guillain-Barré syndrome is a rare 
but serious autoimmune disorder that affects the central nervous system.6




Infection with the Zika virus is rarely severe enough to warrant 
hospitalization, and it is rarer still for an individual to die as a 
result.6


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[Texascavers] Zika

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Zika 



Update on the overview of the Zika Virus from Scientific American, May 24, 
2016. May be of interest to those of you caving in the affected areas. Pregnant 
women are at risk ether from mosquitoes or unprotected sex with an infected 
partner. 



How Zika Spiraled Out of Control 



The virus was a tiny, barely known annoyance. Scientists now think 
environmental changes made Zika explode into a global crisis 



By Dina Fine Maron on May 24, 2016 



http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-zika-spiraled-out-of-control1/?WT.mc_id=SA_DD_20160524
 
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