Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
I appreciate the enthusiatic support and healthy dialogue that this issue has generated. But.No need to vote just yet..This item will be discussed at the TSA Fall members meeting. The issue will thrn likely be put to a full vote of the TSA membership on the ballot with the 2009 TSA officers election. Please attend...and voice your opinion at our Fall meeting! And...then VOTE! John Brooks TSA Chairman 2008 Sent from my iPhone On May 30, 2008, at 5:12 PM, "J. LaRue Thomas" wrote: I vote pay off anything involving purchase of caves that has interest attached to it and as far as I know, Punkin/Deep is it. Jacqui - Original Message - From: To: ; "CaveTex" Cc: "J. LaRue Thomas" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Back to voting... What say you? Pay off Deep/Punkin or something else? I vote Deep/Punkin. Mark Alman - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
I vote pay off anything involving purchase of caves that has interest attached to it and as far as I know, Punkin/Deep is it. Jacqui - Original Message - From: To: ; "CaveTex" Cc: "J. LaRue Thomas" Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 12:22 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Back to voting... What say you? Pay off Deep/Punkin or something else? I vote Deep/Punkin. Mark Alman - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Back to voting... What say you? Pay off Deep/Punkin or something else? I vote Deep/Punkin. Mark Alman - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
J. LaRue Thomas wrote: > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land > fund, anyway. Sure, TSA could still collect $1 a head (or a couple of dollars, but I wouldn't go $5) at its functions for worthy causes such as buying needed equipment, donating to conservation groups, etc. It doesn't need the land fund to do this -- just a line item in the TSA budget to keep track of the dough and what it's earmarked for. J. LaRue Thomas wrote: Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- * Reply to jjordenATtexoma.net (Change the AT to @) * - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Cathy, Your points are valid. I just saw them all as caving related and thought that most would want to contribute to this cause as it is a value added enhancement to their membership as all may utilize the facility. I am sure that the board will figure out the best solution. Fritz -Original Message- From: Catherine M Winfrey [mailto:cwinf...@io.com] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:46 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: J. LaRue Thomas; Texascavers Mailing List Subject: RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Technically speaking, Texas Cavers' Reunion is not a TSA function. The TCR is presented & hosted each year by the volunteers who call it the Texas Cavers Reunion. All formal and informal Texas caving organizations--- TSS TCMA TCC AMCS are always invited to attend, and they may make use of the opportunity presented by the high attendance to hold various board or membership meetings. Forcing all folks attending TCR to contribute to the TSA land fund, although a noble gesture, is a bit like forcing the restaurant where a grotto meeting is held to collect an extra $5 for everyone attending the meeting. Maybe you should charge the $5 against everyone attending the TSA meeting, which is held at TCR, to enhance the Land Fund. Or maybe you could consider a $10 surcharge to the TSA dues. -cathy > Jacqui, > I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be > collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and > TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, > $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the > Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift > requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to > Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added > to with contributions and fees? > Fritz > > -Original Message- > From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM > To: Texascavers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund > Dispensation > > Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think > it > is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some > folks think it's optional. > > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, > anyway. > > It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is > to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Technically speaking, Texas Cavers' Reunion is not a TSA function. The TCR is presented & hosted each year by the volunteers who call it the Texas Cavers Reunion. All formal and informal Texas caving organizations--- TSS TCMA TCC AMCS are always invited to attend, and they may make use of the opportunity presented by the high attendance to hold various board or membership meetings. Forcing all folks attending TCR to contribute to the TSA land fund, although a noble gesture, is a bit like forcing the restaurant where a grotto meeting is held to collect an extra $5 for everyone attending the meeting. Maybe you should charge the $5 against everyone attending the TSA meeting, which is held at TCR, to enhance the Land Fund. Or maybe you could consider a $10 surcharge to the TSA dues. -cathy > Jacqui, > I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be > collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and > TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, > $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the > Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift > requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to > Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added > to with contributions and fees? > Fritz > > -Original Message- > From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] > Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM > To: Texascavers Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund > Dispensation > > Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think > it > is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some > folks think it's optional. > > I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, > anyway. > > It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is > to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Joe wanted me to post this to CaveTex, as he is out of pocket. Mark From: jran...@gmail.com [mailto:jran...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Joe Ranzau Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 11:31 AM To: Alman, Mark @ IRP Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Cant post to Cavetex from here but you might want to clarify that TCR is not a TSA event so there cant be a charge. Also that the point is to do away with the fund so there will be no need for any fundraising. -- Forwarded message -- From: J. LaRue Thomas List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, May 29, 2008 at 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation To: Fritz Holt , Texascavers Mailing List I was thinking you meant the $1.00 at TSA projects could go up to $5.00 & would include TSA Conventions and TCR. I get it now. Jacq. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
I was thinking you meant the $1.00 at TSA projects could go up to $5.00 & would include TSA Conventions and TCR. I get it now. Jacq. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Jacqui, I may hot have made myself clear. I meant to suggest that $5. per head be collected at each of the two major annual functions, the convention and TCR. With approximately 100 attending the convention and 300 at TCR, $2,000. annually could be added to any other contributions to reduce the Punkin/Deep indebtedness. I don't entirely understand the gift requirement/restrictions but could TSA gift $7,500. to apply to Punkin/Deep dept reduction and leave the remainder in the fund to be added to with contributions and fees? Fritz -Original Message- From: J. LaRue Thomas [mailto:jlrbi...@sonoratx.net] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 5:26 AM To: Texascavers Mailing List Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
Fritz mentioned that the $1.00 a head is for 2 events. Actually, I think it is for all TSA projects, although sometimes we forget to collect and some folks think it's optional. I don't know if we can keep the "donation" going without the land fund, anyway. It makes sense to me to pay down the TCMA Punkin/Deep loan--if the fund is to be dispersed, let's get as much financial benefit as possible. Jacqui - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: The TSA Needs Your Thoughts: TSA Land Fund Dispensation
I know the TSA Endowment Fund Trustees spent much time and discussion on this matter, and I say we should not muddy the water with a bunch of alternate suggestions, and proposals. I think we should schedule the vote at the next TCR as the trustees recommended. If their original motion is not approved then we could take suggestions for a new motion, and potentially vote on the new motion. With a controversial issue on the agenda, we may even draw more than 10-12 attendees... Well one can dream. Kurt ___ [The motion] Recommended and moved by the TSA Endowment Fund's trustees: That the TSA Board of Governors terminate the land fund and transfer all its current proceeds for a cave conservation-related purpose under Section 8 of the trust agreement, as follows: To help pay off the note on the Punkin-Deep property purchased by the Texas Cave Management Association. Trustees recommend that the TSA BOG publish this motion in the Texas Caver and take it up at the Texas Cavers Reunion, either choosing to vote the motion up or down at its fall meeting or submitting it to the general TSA membership for a binding referendum. Land fund trustees voted unanimously to recommend this action - moved by Ted Lee and seconded by John Brooks - with trustee Jay Jorden abstaining due to his TCMA board membership. __ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
