RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
If the area is convenient, I still say the best cave to carry a child into is Avery Ranch Cave at Cedar Park. I'm sure Mike Walsh will be happy to give a personal, guided tour of all hundred or so feet. The formations are incredibly nice for such a small cave. It has a nice stairway cut into rock, making it easy when carrying a child. Who wouldn't enjoy a first visit if you were carried in and out. I should know. Fritz -Original Message- From: Rod Goke [mailto:rod.g...@earthlink.net] Sent: Friday, July 23, 2010 6:00 AM To: Stefan Creaser; David McClung; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip Not everyone advocates waiting for a kid to understand caves or to express an interest in caving before taking the child to a cave. Some second generation cavers claim to have gone caving with their mothers before they were even born. They don't remember these early caving trips, of course, but they do remember hearing later about how their mothers had gone caving while pregnant, and they sometimes enjoy the bragging rights when cavers swap stories about how young they were when they started caving. So what are you waiting for, Dave? You're already late! ;-) Actually, I think the age of a child's first caving experience is not nearly as important as how the child feel's about doing it. If she enjoys the initial experiences and feels that caving is something neat you're letting her do, then there's a good chance she'll develop further interest in it and will grow up proud to be a second generation caver, especially if she associates with other young cavers who reinforce her interest in it as she grows up. On the other hand, if she grows up feeling that it's something her parents pushed her to do or that it's an activity associated only with her parents' generation and not with her generation, then she'll probably learn to avoid caving. That, of course, is true not just for caving, but for most activities that parents introduce to their children. Rod -Original Message- >From: Stefan Creaser >Sent: Jul 22, 2010 2:17 PM >To: David McClung , texascavers@texascavers.com >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip > >Surely you'll want her to remember her first caving trip? If so you're >gonna have to wait until she's about 3. > > > >Stefan > > > >From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com >Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip > > > >i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first >time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I >will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. > > > >chow, dave mc > > > > >-- >IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are >confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the >contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the >information in any medium. Thank you. > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Dave, I believe the first cave experience for my two youngest was either Longhorn or Inner Space. Both easy walking caves, especially, if you're having to carry a young un. My shoulder still hurts! Good luck! Mark From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:caverp...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 6:23 PM To: David McClung Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip I have a picture of the kid peering into Floyd's coffin. He was still in diapers. - Pete "How he got into diapers, I'll never know!" Sorry, Pete! I couldn't resist. (With credit given to Groucho Marx). On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:32 AM, David McClung wrote: i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Not everyone advocates waiting for a kid to understand caves or to express an interest in caving before taking the child to a cave. Some second generation cavers claim to have gone caving with their mothers before they were even born. They don't remember these early caving trips, of course, but they do remember hearing later about how their mothers had gone caving while pregnant, and they sometimes enjoy the bragging rights when cavers swap stories about how young they were when they started caving. So what are you waiting for, Dave? You're already late! ;-) Actually, I think the age of a child's first caving experience is not nearly as important as how the child feel's about doing it. If she enjoys the initial experiences and feels that caving is something neat you're letting her do, then there's a good chance she'll develop further interest in it and will grow up proud to be a second generation caver, especially if she associates with other young cavers who reinforce her interest in it as she grows up. On the other hand, if she grows up feeling that it's something her parents pushed her to do or that it's an activity associated only with her parents' generation and not with her generation, then she'll probably learn to avoid caving. That, of course, is true not just for caving, but for most activities that parents introduce to their children. Rod -Original Message- >From: Stefan Creaser >Sent: Jul 22, 2010 2:17 PM >To: David McClung , texascavers@texascavers.com >Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip > >Surely you'll want her to remember her first caving trip? If so you're >gonna have to wait until she's about 3. > > > >Stefan > > > >From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] >Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM >To: texascavers@texascavers.com >Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip > > > >i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first >time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I >will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. > > > >chow, dave mc > > > > >-- >IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are >confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended >recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the >contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the >information in any medium. Thank you. > > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip
We took our 1st born down some Big Bend rapids in a kayak at age = -1 month. First cave trip was at about +10 months as I recall. Floyd Collins Crystal Cave, part of Mammoth Cave, and I have a picture of the kid peering into Floyd's coffin. He was still in diapers. By age 4 they are big enough to crawl into a tight space where you can't get them, so you need to lay off certain caves until they get some sense about falling down tight pits. That could take another 4-40 years ;-) - Pete On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:32 AM, David McClung wrote: i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip
I would highly reccommend Sotano de los Golindrinos for infants. Anything less would just be bad parenting. And just imagine the lifetime of bragging rights: "my dad took me to and DOWN Golindrinos when I was 16 months old." It would be easy to rig some type of suspension harness to suspend her below you for the rappel down and climb back up. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 22, 2010, at 12:32 PM, David McClung wrote: i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Avery Ranch and Dies Ranch Treasure Cave are both open to the public on Cave
Day in Cedar Park, which occurs twice a year.
Both would be good for the mini caver, but Avery does have more formations to
be sure.
Leslie Bell
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take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html
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Dave,
I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year
old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes?
Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with
no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is
the better and easier of the two.
Fritz
From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip
i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time
and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait
till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not.
chow, dave mc
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RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Surely you'll want her to remember her first caving trip? If so you're gonna have to wait until she's about 3. Stefan From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Makes sense to me. I'm sure a few have been thrown in before. From: Gary McDaniel [mailto:scar...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:52 PM Cc: David McClung; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip Golandrinas! Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com>> wrote: Dave, I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two. Fritz From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net<mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net>] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM To: <mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com> Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
Re: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Golandrinas! Sent from my iPhone. On Jul 22, 2010, at 11:37 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Dave, I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two. Fritz From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
take her to cave day, http://texascaves.org/cave_day.html "Semper Exploro" Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW Grotto(832)754-5778 From: fh...@townandcountryins.com To: david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net; texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 12:37:19 -0500 Subject: RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip Dave, I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two. Fritz From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc _ Hotmail is redefining busy with tools for the New Busy. Get more from your inbox. http://www.windowslive.com/campaign/thenewbusy?ocid=PID28326::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HMP:042010_2
RE: [Texascavers] first cave trip
Dave, I only know of four Austin area caves and two are not suitable for a one year old. Just to say she has been in one, take her to Avery Ranch Cave or Dyes? Ranch Treasure Cave. Both are in Cedar Park and only about 100 feet long with no hiking as they are both in the middle of residential neighborhoods Avery is the better and easier of the two. Fritz From: David McClung [mailto:david.mccl...@sbcglobal.net] Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2010 12:32 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] first cave trip i got a 5 month old mini caver that will need to go caving for the first time and wondered if anybody has a suggestion on a good cave to go to. I will wait till shes maybe a year old or so. or maybe not. chow, dave mc
