RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
When it comes to Texas caving` history and getting out the printed word about same, I know of no one more knowledgeable and dedicated than Jerry Atkinson and Carl Kunath. We owe them our gratitude. Mark Alman's work is not too shabby either. Thanks to you all. Oh, and Denise, I think I love you. Fritz From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:36 PM To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.commailto:tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
When it comes to Texas caving` history and getting out the printed word about same, I know of no one more knowledgeable and dedicated than Jerry Atkinson and Carl Kunath. We owe them our gratitude. Mark Alman's work is not too shabby either. Thanks to you all. Oh, and Denise, I think I love you. Fritz From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:36 PM To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.commailto:tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
When it comes to Texas caving` history and getting out the printed word about same, I know of no one more knowledgeable and dedicated than Jerry Atkinson and Carl Kunath. We owe them our gratitude. Mark Alman's work is not too shabby either. Thanks to you all. Oh, and Denise, I think I love you. Fritz From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2011 6:36 PM To: pepabe...@hotmail.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.commailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.commailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.commailto:jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.commailto:tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.commailto:germa...@aol.com?] Sent
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I apologize for not being there, as I guess being at the TSA meeting is a prerequisite for having an opinion on the business that was conducted there. And yes, I would have probably noted at the meeting that it was unfortunate, if not a little embarrassing, that no one on the Executive Council knew the Bylaws, or had a copy to consult, --- and thought that only two meetings a year was adequate for the membership based on the lack of business brought forward by the officers. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, no ? BTW - did read the minutes and noted the meeting cancellation, but thought it was sorta like counting hairs on a hog to point out the obvious at the time since it was possible that you were still going to be chairmen next year. Now that Arburn has inherited the issue and Holsinger brought forward the question, it's a whole new ball game. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Jerry jerryat...@aol.com; germanyj germa...@aol.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I apologize for not being there, as I guess being at the TSA meeting is a prerequisite for having an opinion on the business that was conducted there. And yes, I would have probably noted at the meeting that it was unfortunate, if not a little embarrassing, that no one on the Executive Council knew the Bylaws, or had a copy to consult, --- and thought that only two meetings a year was adequate for the membership based on the lack of business brought forward by the officers. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, no ? BTW - did read the minutes and noted the meeting cancellation, but thought it was sorta like counting hairs on a hog to point out the obvious at the time since it was possible that you were still going to be chairmen next year. Now that Arburn has inherited the issue and Holsinger brought forward the question, it's a whole new ball game. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Jerry jerryat...@aol.com; germanyj germa...@aol.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Been there, done that, read your history, girl. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com To: jerryatkin jerryat...@aol.com; Mark Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; TexasCavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 8:25 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It was not cancelled for convenience, it just did not seem to be necessary. The officers keep in touch in between meetings by email and don't wait until meetings to start working on TSA business. We work on it year-round. Since you are so knowledgeable, you should run for office and do all the work. You can have my job. I certainly won't be running again. -Denise To: germa...@aol.com; mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com From: jerryat...@aol.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 21:20:01 -0500 Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I apologize for not being there, as I guess being at the TSA meeting is a prerequisite for having an opinion on the business that was conducted there. And yes, I would have probably noted at the meeting that it was unfortunate, if not a little embarrassing, that no one on the Executive Council knew the Bylaws, or had a copy to consult, --- and thought that only two meetings a year was adequate for the membership based on the lack of business brought forward by the officers. Sort of a self-fulfilling prophecy, no ? BTW - did read the minutes and noted the meeting cancellation, but thought it was sorta like counting hairs on a hog to point out the obvious at the time since it was possible that you were still going to be chairmen next year. Now that Arburn has inherited the issue and Holsinger brought forward the question, it's a whole new ball game. Jerry. -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Jerry jerryat...@aol.com; germanyj germa...@aol.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Thu, Dec 1, 2011 7:01 am Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* If you would have been there, Jerry, you would have known that we asked if there was anything pressing to address at a Winter Meeting. Since all in attendance, minus you, determined that there wasn’t anything pressing, we decided to cancel it. Attend sometime or, at least, read the minutes. Denise does a wonderful job documenting everything and Butch gets it posted immediately. Only 31 more days. Mark From: Jerry [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:20 PM To: germa...@aol.com; Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. Jerry.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
...and if I don't, will I go to TSA jail? This was the current administrations making, please don't pass it on to me. On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Michael Cicherski wrote: My suggestion is that Don Arburn calls for a winter meeting to be held 1 hour prior to the beginning of the first bexar Grotto meeting in January. That will take care of it M - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Why not have a meeting 1hr before the spring meeting, which is then immediately adjourned? Simple... From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:49 AM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW GrottoUT GrottoBexar Grotto(832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes:Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Okily, dokily, Ryan. You're in charge of ramrodding it! Mark From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Or/also in a cave! I like Cave Without A Name... -Original Message- From: ryan monjaras trog...@hotmail.com Cc: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I second it. From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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I am glad to see that so many people still feel ownership of TSA. It might be even more effective if all those people attend the meetings and offer their input and opinions there. I have not seen all that many at recent TSA meetings, including the most recent one at TCR. I was not at that meeting, since I was still cooking breakfast for the masses. I would say that, even though we all feel ownership, the way to pass on those valuable historical insights and to have your voice heard is to attend the meetings and to communicate with the officers. Being an officer sometimes feels like a thankless job, and there is often ample criticism and minimal appreciation. So Thanks to all who are serving and have served, and cheers to those of you who decide to serve again. Bylaws can be changed or more meetings can be scheduled. Let's all continue to contribute to the growth of TSA. Linda On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Jerry jerryat...@aol.com wrote: It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: *Article V: MEETINGS.* At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [*mailto:germa...@aol.com* germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM *To:* *jerryat...@aol.com* jerryat...@aol.com; *ellie.tho...@gmail.com*ellie.tho...@gmail.com; *tr...@sprynet.com* tr...@sprynet.com *Cc:* *texascavers@texascavers.com* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin *jerryat...@aol.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
...and if I don't, will I go to TSA jail? This was the current administrations making, please don't pass it on to me. On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Michael Cicherski wrote: My suggestion is that Don Arburn calls for a winter meeting to be held 1 hour prior to the beginning of the first bexar Grotto meeting in January. That will take care of it M - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Why not have a meeting 1hr before the spring meeting, which is then immediately adjourned? Simple... From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:49 AM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW GrottoUT GrottoBexar Grotto(832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes:Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Okily, dokily, Ryan. You're in charge of ramrodding it! Mark From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Or/also in a cave! I like Cave Without A Name... -Original Message- From: ryan monjaras trog...@hotmail.com Cc: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I second it. From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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I am glad to see that so many people still feel ownership of TSA. It might be even more effective if all those people attend the meetings and offer their input and opinions there. I have not seen all that many at recent TSA meetings, including the most recent one at TCR. I was not at that meeting, since I was still cooking breakfast for the masses. I would say that, even though we all feel ownership, the way to pass on those valuable historical insights and to have your voice heard is to attend the meetings and to communicate with the officers. Being an officer sometimes feels like a thankless job, and there is often ample criticism and minimal appreciation. So Thanks to all who are serving and have served, and cheers to those of you who decide to serve again. Bylaws can be changed or more meetings can be scheduled. Let's all continue to contribute to the growth of TSA. Linda On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Jerry jerryat...@aol.com wrote: It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: *Article V: MEETINGS.* At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [*mailto:germa...@aol.com* germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM *To:* *jerryat...@aol.com* jerryat...@aol.com; *ellie.tho...@gmail.com*ellie.tho...@gmail.com; *tr...@sprynet.com* tr...@sprynet.com *Cc:* *texascavers@texascavers.com* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin *jerryat...@aol.com
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...and if I don't, will I go to TSA jail? This was the current administrations making, please don't pass it on to me. On Nov 30, 2011, at 8:50 AM, Michael Cicherski wrote: My suggestion is that Don Arburn calls for a winter meeting to be held 1 hour prior to the beginning of the first bexar Grotto meeting in January. That will take care of it M - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Why not have a meeting 1hr before the spring meeting, which is then immediately adjourned? Simple... From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 11:49 AM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the Winter Meeting has already been cancelled, a third meeting will be discussed by the new Board at the Spring Business Meeting at the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. Thanks, Mark From: jerryat...@aol.com [mailto:jerryat...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:57 AM To: ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan MonjarasMaverick GrottoCowtown GrottoDFW GrottoUT GrottoBexar Grotto(832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes:Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Okily, dokily, Ryan. You're in charge of ramrodding it! Mark From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Or/also in a cave! I like Cave Without A Name... -Original Message- From: ryan monjaras trog...@hotmail.com Cc: texas cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:25 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
I second it. From: ryan monjaras [mailto:trog...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:25 PM Cc: texas cavers Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Let's have a summer convention, preferably with a river or lake to cool down in. Semper Exploro Ryan Monjaras Maverick Grotto Cowtown Grotto DFW Grotto UT Grotto Bexar Grotto (832)754-5778 From: mark.al...@l-3com.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2011 12:12:19 -0600 To: germa...@aol.com; jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we've already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.commailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM To: Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: Article V: MEETINGS. At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark From: Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM To: jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com; tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com To: ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:57 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
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I am glad to see that so many people still feel ownership of TSA. It might be even more effective if all those people attend the meetings and offer their input and opinions there. I have not seen all that many at recent TSA meetings, including the most recent one at TCR. I was not at that meeting, since I was still cooking breakfast for the masses. I would say that, even though we all feel ownership, the way to pass on those valuable historical insights and to have your voice heard is to attend the meetings and to communicate with the officers. Being an officer sometimes feels like a thankless job, and there is often ample criticism and minimal appreciation. So Thanks to all who are serving and have served, and cheers to those of you who decide to serve again. Bylaws can be changed or more meetings can be scheduled. Let's all continue to contribute to the growth of TSA. Linda On Wed, Nov 30, 2011 at 8:20 PM, Jerry jerryat...@aol.com wrote: It might have been prudent for someone to ask if there was a reason to hold a TSA Winter Business meeting before just cancelling it because it was close to both the fall and spring meetings. The Winter meeting introduces the new officers to the membership and formally inducts them into the responsibilities of the Executive Council. It was found that it was best to have a meeting early on in the year so that the new slate of officers don't wait until the Spring Convention to start working on TSA business or really giving it much thought. . sorta like the way you all decided to get rid of it, -- not much thought. just convenience Jerry. -Original Message- From: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com To: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com; Texascavers Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Well, that clears up everything. So - three meetings were held in 2011. And, until the by-laws are changed, there need to be three meetings in 2012. Then, it's up to the new administration to follow or change the by-laws concerning the number of meetings they hold in 2012. Cool! Thanks for clearing that up, Mark! And, I like Ryan's idea that we hold one of the meetings at/in/near water, and preferably in a cave. julia -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:31 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Yes and yes. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [mailto:germa...@aol.com germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:24 PM *To:* Alman, Mark @ SSG - WSG - EOS *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* I'm getting confused. So, you did have three meetings in 2011? So, this discussion is about the 2012 business meeting? -Original Message- From: Mark.Alman mark.al...@l-3com.com To: Julia Germany germa...@aol.com; JerryAtkin jerryat...@aol.com; ellie.thoene ellie.tho...@gmail.com; trhli tr...@sprynet.com Cc: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Wed, Nov 30, 2011 12:15 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* From by the by-laws, a.k.a, TSA Constitution: *Article V: MEETINGS.* At least three TSA meetings shall be held each calendar year. The time and place of all TSA meetings shall be announced through a regular publication of the TSA, or by electronic mail to all members of record. TSA meetings shall be called by the officers or by written petition of 20% of all TSA members. Since we’ve already had our three meetings for 2011, deciding when to schedule another one for 2012 can be done at the Spring Convention Business Meeting (or an hour before, as Stefan proposes. I always liked the way you think, Stefan!). As you can see, no specific dates or venues are specified. Mark *From:* Julia Germany [*mailto:germa...@aol.com* germa...@aol.com?] *Sent:* Wednesday, November 30, 2011 12:05 PM *To:* *jerryat...@aol.com* jerryat...@aol.com; *ellie.tho...@gmail.com*ellie.tho...@gmail.com; *tr...@sprynet.com* tr...@sprynet.com *Cc:* *texascavers@texascavers.com* texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Since the winter meeting was cancelled, and the by-laws were not changed to reflect having only two meetings a year, there needs to be a third meeting for 2011 before there is a first meeting for 2012 to be right with the by-laws. I haven't looked at the by-laws in while - do they state when the meetings must take place? As a reminder, when seeking grant funds, funders almost always ask for a copy of the by-laws, and may ask for copies of the official meeting minutes to make sure you are following the rules of your by-laws. julia -Original Message- From: JerryAtkin *jerryat...@aol.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, now that the date and place are set, Mallory and I can (or more like better) begin to solicit for presentations and poster papers for the Spring Meeting. Let's hear about discoveries and investigations from all parts of the state (or at least from the parts that are lucky enough to have caves in them) this year, and from people from all over TSA, regardless of the local presence or absence of karst terrain. Please think it over, toss aside any uncertainty, and submit your abstracts or proposals to: Mallory Mayeux @ mmay...@gmail.com or Roger Moore @ cavera...@aol.com Thank you! -Original Message- From: ellie watson ellie.tho...@gmail.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 9:31 am Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Please mark you calendars for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. This is annual, technical meeting with presentations from cavers about cave sciences, exploration, project status and displays in the Map/Photo Salon. Presentations will be on Saturday, March 31st and Mallory Mayeux and Roger Moore have graciously agreed to enlist speakers for the program so it should be another great year. Registration: $15 and $5 camping per night (kids camp free) Facility for Saturday Meeting: Geneva School of Boerne (113 Cascade Caverns Rd, Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015) Campground for Friday-Sunday: Cascade Caverns (226 Cascade Caverns Road, Boerne, Texas 78015) http://www.cascadecaverns.com/ Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions. Ellie Watson TSA Vice Chair 509-899-0007 ellie.tho...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
And is there a date and location for the winter business meeting? Terry H. On 11/29/2011 2:31 PM, ellie watson wrote: Please mark you calendars for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. This is annual, technical meeting with presentations from cavers about cave sciences, exploration, project status and displays in the Map/Photo Salon. Presentations will be on Saturday, March 31st and Mallory Mayeux and Roger Moore have graciously agreed to enlist speakers for the program so it should be another great year. Registration: $15 and $5 camping per night (kids camp free) Facility for Saturday Meeting: Geneva School of Boerne (113 Cascade Caverns Rd, Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015) http://genevaschooltx.org/ Campground for Friday-Sunday: Cascade Caverns* (*226 Cascade Caverns Road, Boerne, Texas 78015) http://www.cascadecaverns.com/ Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions. Ellie Watson TSA Vice Chair 509-899-0007 ellie.tho...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page _http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html_ (http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html) that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, now that the date and place are set, Mallory and I can (or more like better) begin to solicit for presentations and poster papers for the Spring Meeting. Let's hear about discoveries and investigations from all parts of the state (or at least from the parts that are lucky enough to have caves in them) this year, and from people from all over TSA, regardless of the local presence or absence of karst terrain. Please think it over, toss aside any uncertainty, and submit your abstracts or proposals to: Mallory Mayeux @ mmay...@gmail.com or Roger Moore @ cavera...@aol.com Thank you! -Original Message- From: ellie watson ellie.tho...@gmail.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 9:31 am Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Please mark you calendars for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. This is annual, technical meeting with presentations from cavers about cave sciences, exploration, project status and displays in the Map/Photo Salon. Presentations will be on Saturday, March 31st and Mallory Mayeux and Roger Moore have graciously agreed to enlist speakers for the program so it should be another great year. Registration: $15 and $5 camping per night (kids camp free) Facility for Saturday Meeting: Geneva School of Boerne (113 Cascade Caverns Rd, Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015) Campground for Friday-Sunday: Cascade Caverns (226 Cascade Caverns Road, Boerne, Texas 78015) http://www.cascadecaverns.com/ Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions. Ellie Watson TSA Vice Chair 509-899-0007 ellie.tho...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
And is there a date and location for the winter business meeting? Terry H. On 11/29/2011 2:31 PM, ellie watson wrote: Please mark you calendars for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. This is annual, technical meeting with presentations from cavers about cave sciences, exploration, project status and displays in the Map/Photo Salon. Presentations will be on Saturday, March 31st and Mallory Mayeux and Roger Moore have graciously agreed to enlist speakers for the program so it should be another great year. Registration: $15 and $5 camping per night (kids camp free) Facility for Saturday Meeting: Geneva School of Boerne (113 Cascade Caverns Rd, Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015) http://genevaschooltx.org/ Campground for Friday-Sunday: Cascade Caverns* (*226 Cascade Caverns Road, Boerne, Texas 78015) http://www.cascadecaverns.com/ Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions. Ellie Watson TSA Vice Chair 509-899-0007 ellie.tho...@gmail.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page _http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html_ (http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html) that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Well, now that the date and place are set, Mallory and I can (or more like better) begin to solicit for presentations and poster papers for the Spring Meeting. Let's hear about discoveries and investigations from all parts of the state (or at least from the parts that are lucky enough to have caves in them) this year, and from people from all over TSA, regardless of the local presence or absence of karst terrain. Please think it over, toss aside any uncertainty, and submit your abstracts or proposals to: Mallory Mayeux @ mmay...@gmail.com or Roger Moore @ cavera...@aol.com Thank you! -Original Message- From: ellie watson ellie.tho...@gmail.com To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Nov 29, 2011 9:31 am Subject: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date* Please mark you calendars for the 2012 TSA Spring Convention in Boerne, TX on March 30-April 1st, 2012. This is annual, technical meeting with presentations from cavers about cave sciences, exploration, project status and displays in the Map/Photo Salon. Presentations will be on Saturday, March 31st and Mallory Mayeux and Roger Moore have graciously agreed to enlist speakers for the program so it should be another great year. Registration: $15 and $5 camping per night (kids camp free) Facility for Saturday Meeting: Geneva School of Boerne (113 Cascade Caverns Rd, Fair Oaks Ranch, TX 78015) Campground for Friday-Sunday: Cascade Caverns (226 Cascade Caverns Road, Boerne, Texas 78015) http://www.cascadecaverns.com/ Please don't hesitate to ask me any questions. Ellie Watson TSA Vice Chair 509-899-0007 ellie.tho...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
Re: [Texascavers] 2012 TSA Spring Convention *Save The Date*
That's all well and good, but the TSA Bylaws stipulate at least 3 membership meetings per year. Given that there will be a TSA meeting at the Spring Convention and in the Fall, when do the officers propose to hold another meeting to comply with the Bylaws ? Jerry. In a message dated 11/29/2011 5:29:20 P.M. Central Standard Time, ellie.tho...@gmail.com writes: Please see in the 2011 Fall Meeting Minutes Archive Page _http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html_ (http://www.cavetexas.org/TSA/meetingminutes.html) that Alman asked if people think a Winter Business Meeting is really necessary since it is so close to the fall and spring meetings. A motion was made to cancel the Winter Business Meeting. Seconded and motion carried.
