RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark Minton]

Butch,

You can download digital copies of your lost Texas Caver and 
NSS News, and a great many other newsletters and publications, free 
from the Karst Information Portal 
.

Texas Caver:  
NSS News:  

Mark

At 12:25 AM 3/20/2013, Butch Fralia wrote:
I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other 
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or 
mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who've preferred the online 
version vs printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly.


Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and 
TSA Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they 
were water soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they 
were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, 
having a digital copy available isnt' a bad thing.


Butch Fralia

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's 
NSS Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


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RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark Minton]

Butch,

You can download digital copies of your lost Texas Caver and 
NSS News, and a great many other newsletters and publications, free 
from the Karst Information Portal 
.

Texas Caver:  
NSS News:  

Mark

At 12:25 AM 3/20/2013, Butch Fralia wrote:
I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other 
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or 
mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who've preferred the online 
version vs printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly.


Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and 
TSA Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they 
were water soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they 
were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, 
having a digital copy available isnt' a bad thing.


Butch Fralia

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's 
NSS Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


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RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark Minton]

Butch,

You can download digital copies of your lost Texas Caver and 
NSS News, and a great many other newsletters and publications, free 
from the Karst Information Portal 
.

Texas Caver:  
NSS News:  

Mark

At 12:25 AM 3/20/2013, Butch Fralia wrote:
I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other 
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or 
mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who've preferred the online 
version vs printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly.


Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and 
TSA Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they 
were water soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they 
were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, 
having a digital copy available isnt' a bad thing.


Butch Fralia

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's 
NSS Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


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RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark . Alman]

Gawd, let's hope not, Stefan!

 

The move to a two way membership (cheaper for online TEXAS CAVER. Higher
for mailed version), IMHO, probably saved the TSA and kept it solvent.

 

The NSS needs to do this. I would have no problem with an online
(cheaper) option.

 

I read 'em once and then they go on the shelf. I'm not that attached to
printed material.

 

 

Mark 

(TSA Chairman at the time)

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:31 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion
of the same? ;-)

 

Cheers,

Stefan

 

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic:
http://cavechat.org/

 

Phil

On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS
Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as
part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending
proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

 


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RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark . Alman]

Gawd, let's hope not, Stefan!

 

The move to a two way membership (cheaper for online TEXAS CAVER. Higher
for mailed version), IMHO, probably saved the TSA and kept it solvent.

 

The NSS needs to do this. I would have no problem with an online
(cheaper) option.

 

I read 'em once and then they go on the shelf. I'm not that attached to
printed material.

 

 

Mark 

(TSA Chairman at the time)

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:31 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion
of the same? ;-)

 

Cheers,

Stefan

 

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic:
http://cavechat.org/

 

Phil

On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS
Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as
part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending
proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

 


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confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
the information in any medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mark . Alman]

Gawd, let's hope not, Stefan!

 

The move to a two way membership (cheaper for online TEXAS CAVER. Higher
for mailed version), IMHO, probably saved the TSA and kept it solvent.

 

The NSS needs to do this. I would have no problem with an online
(cheaper) option.

 

I read 'em once and then they go on the shelf. I'm not that attached to
printed material.

 

 

Mark 

(TSA Chairman at the time)

 

 

 

From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:31 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion
of the same? ;-)

 

Cheers,

Stefan

 

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic:
http://cavechat.org/

 

Phil

On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS
Board of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as
part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending
proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

 


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy
the information in any medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Louise Power]

Just to throw my two cents in:  I recently completed a long and arduous move 
during which I discovered that I have more belongings than any sane person 
should have (which should say something about my current state). The bulk of 
those belongings, I discovered, were several forests worth of trees in the form 
of a small-medium sized library; old newsletters; classic comix from the 
Gilbert Shelton, Jaxon era (KEEPERS); I think if I looked long enough I could 
probably find an old Charlie Loving poster or two (also keepers); magazines; 
family correspondence (can't get rid of that); newspaper articles (many of 
which I saved because they were my own work); various bureau publications which 
I either wrote and/or edited; and a lot more. But I tell you, after this move, 
I think it's a good thing we're recyclers here in Oregon because I have pretty 
much fallen out of love with the idea of paper dox.
I belong to several organizations many of which now produce the bulk of their 
publications on line. If I want to save anything, I just download it to my hard 
drive and, after awhile, if I still find it valuable, onto a CD (or whatever 
comes after that). With a few exceptions, I now have no qualms about scanning 
much of what I have that is worth saving and putting it into an electronic 
file. Having worked on my family history for almost 20 years now, I'm glad my 
ancestors did not feel this way, but then, in the mid-1800s, they had no 
choice. I have a choice. 
I live in the Northwest home of a huge timber industry. For 32 years I have 
worked for a federal agency that manages forest land (among other uses) and we 
are under a constant barrage of lawsuits by both industry and conservationists 
to produce or not produce timber for a variety of uses. I've lived in this area 
for more than 20 years and seen both sides of the discussion. 
Recently I have come to the conclusion that if we have a practical, 
inexpensive, good quality choice, perhaps we ought to seriously consider taking 
it.
I now step down from my soap box, 
Louise

From: cave...@att.net
To: fr...@frankbinney.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

BOG proposal to end printed NSS NewsI think the NSS should pursue the concept 
that the TSA and other organizations have.  Give people an option for an online 
version or mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who’ve preferred the online version vs 
printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly. Some time ago, 
I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA Texas Cavers.  They 
sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water soaked.  I can’t 
recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even 
if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy available isnt’ a bad thing. 
Butch Fralia  From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board of 
Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F  

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Louise Power]

Just to throw my two cents in:  I recently completed a long and arduous move 
during which I discovered that I have more belongings than any sane person 
should have (which should say something about my current state). The bulk of 
those belongings, I discovered, were several forests worth of trees in the form 
of a small-medium sized library; old newsletters; classic comix from the 
Gilbert Shelton, Jaxon era (KEEPERS); I think if I looked long enough I could 
probably find an old Charlie Loving poster or two (also keepers); magazines; 
family correspondence (can't get rid of that); newspaper articles (many of 
which I saved because they were my own work); various bureau publications which 
I either wrote and/or edited; and a lot more. But I tell you, after this move, 
I think it's a good thing we're recyclers here in Oregon because I have pretty 
much fallen out of love with the idea of paper dox.
I belong to several organizations many of which now produce the bulk of their 
publications on line. If I want to save anything, I just download it to my hard 
drive and, after awhile, if I still find it valuable, onto a CD (or whatever 
comes after that). With a few exceptions, I now have no qualms about scanning 
much of what I have that is worth saving and putting it into an electronic 
file. Having worked on my family history for almost 20 years now, I'm glad my 
ancestors did not feel this way, but then, in the mid-1800s, they had no 
choice. I have a choice. 
I live in the Northwest home of a huge timber industry. For 32 years I have 
worked for a federal agency that manages forest land (among other uses) and we 
are under a constant barrage of lawsuits by both industry and conservationists 
to produce or not produce timber for a variety of uses. I've lived in this area 
for more than 20 years and seen both sides of the discussion. 
Recently I have come to the conclusion that if we have a practical, 
inexpensive, good quality choice, perhaps we ought to seriously consider taking 
it.
I now step down from my soap box, 
Louise

From: cave...@att.net
To: fr...@frankbinney.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

BOG proposal to end printed NSS NewsI think the NSS should pursue the concept 
that the TSA and other organizations have.  Give people an option for an online 
version or mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who’ve preferred the online version vs 
printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly. Some time ago, 
I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA Texas Cavers.  They 
sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water soaked.  I can’t 
recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even 
if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy available isnt’ a bad thing. 
Butch Fralia  From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board of 
Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F  

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Louise Power]

Just to throw my two cents in:  I recently completed a long and arduous move 
during which I discovered that I have more belongings than any sane person 
should have (which should say something about my current state). The bulk of 
those belongings, I discovered, were several forests worth of trees in the form 
of a small-medium sized library; old newsletters; classic comix from the 
Gilbert Shelton, Jaxon era (KEEPERS); I think if I looked long enough I could 
probably find an old Charlie Loving poster or two (also keepers); magazines; 
family correspondence (can't get rid of that); newspaper articles (many of 
which I saved because they were my own work); various bureau publications which 
I either wrote and/or edited; and a lot more. But I tell you, after this move, 
I think it's a good thing we're recyclers here in Oregon because I have pretty 
much fallen out of love with the idea of paper dox.
I belong to several organizations many of which now produce the bulk of their 
publications on line. If I want to save anything, I just download it to my hard 
drive and, after awhile, if I still find it valuable, onto a CD (or whatever 
comes after that). With a few exceptions, I now have no qualms about scanning 
much of what I have that is worth saving and putting it into an electronic 
file. Having worked on my family history for almost 20 years now, I'm glad my 
ancestors did not feel this way, but then, in the mid-1800s, they had no 
choice. I have a choice. 
I live in the Northwest home of a huge timber industry. For 32 years I have 
worked for a federal agency that manages forest land (among other uses) and we 
are under a constant barrage of lawsuits by both industry and conservationists 
to produce or not produce timber for a variety of uses. I've lived in this area 
for more than 20 years and seen both sides of the discussion. 
Recently I have come to the conclusion that if we have a practical, 
inexpensive, good quality choice, perhaps we ought to seriously consider taking 
it.
I now step down from my soap box, 
Louise

From: cave...@att.net
To: fr...@frankbinney.com; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2013 23:25:41 -0500
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

BOG proposal to end printed NSS NewsI think the NSS should pursue the concept 
that the TSA and other organizations have.  Give people an option for an online 
version or mailed version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried 
that approach, the number of people who’ve preferred the online version vs 
printed version and dropped the cost of printing significantly. Some time ago, 
I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA Texas Cavers.  They 
sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water soaked.  I can’t 
recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.  Stuff happens, even 
if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy available isnt’ a bad thing. 
Butch Fralia  From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board of 
Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F  

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Butch Fralia]

I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or mailed
version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried that approach,
the number of people who've preferred the online version vs printed version
and dropped the cost of printing significantly.

 

Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA
Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water
soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.
Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy
available isnt' a bad thing.

 

Butch Fralia

 

 

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board
of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of
your regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent
comment on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by
surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Butch Fralia]

I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or mailed
version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried that approach,
the number of people who've preferred the online version vs printed version
and dropped the cost of printing significantly.

 

Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA
Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water
soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.
Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy
available isnt' a bad thing.

 

Butch Fralia

 

 

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board
of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of
your regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent
comment on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by
surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Butch Fralia]

I think the NSS should pursue the concept that the TSA and other
organizations have.  Give people an option for an online version or mailed
version (or both).  With TSA and some grottos that have tried that approach,
the number of people who've preferred the online version vs printed version
and dropped the cost of printing significantly.

 

Some time ago, I had a water leak that soaked a box of NSS News and TSA
Texas Cavers.  They sort of melted by the time I discovered they were water
soaked.  I can't recover those copies but could if they were all digitized.
Stuff happens, even if you have a printed copy, having a digital copy
available isnt' a bad thing.

 

Butch Fralia

 

 

From: Frank Binney [mailto:fr...@frankbinney.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:11 PM
To: Texas Cavers
Subject: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

 

FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board
of Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of
your regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent
comment on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by
surprise (he hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stephen Fleming]

The sooner the News is available in high rez PDF, the better. It is 
_long_ overdue. Higher quality and, most importantly, searchable. It's 
way past time to bring the publication up to the equivalent of LED 
lights and nylon replacing manila ropes and carbide lights. There are 
substantial savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing 
to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when 
a far more economical production method exists.


Stephen Fleming


On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote:
Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like 
that would need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners 
another way, for I personally read as little as possible on line. 
Besides, our printed library would suffer!


Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney > wrote:



BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s 
NSS Board of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn’t be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stephen Fleming]

The sooner the News is available in high rez PDF, the better. It is 
_long_ overdue. Higher quality and, most importantly, searchable. It's 
way past time to bring the publication up to the equivalent of LED 
lights and nylon replacing manila ropes and carbide lights. There are 
substantial savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing 
to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when 
a far more economical production method exists.


Stephen Fleming


On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote:
Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like 
that would need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners 
another way, for I personally read as little as possible on line. 
Besides, our printed library would suffer!


Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney > wrote:



BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s 
NSS Board of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn’t be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stephen Fleming]

The sooner the News is available in high rez PDF, the better. It is 
_long_ overdue. Higher quality and, most importantly, searchable. It's 
way past time to bring the publication up to the equivalent of LED 
lights and nylon replacing manila ropes and carbide lights. There are 
substantial savings to be had in printing and postage costs. Continuing 
to spend signifcant funds on a paper version borders on negligence when 
a far more economical production method exists.


Stephen Fleming


On 03/19/2013 17:26, Mimi Jasek wrote:
Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like 
that would need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners 
another way, for I personally read as little as possible on line. 
Besides, our printed library would suffer!


Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney > wrote:



BOG proposal to end printed NSS News FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s 
NSS Board of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS 
News as part of your regular NSS membership. This news has generated 
considerable recent comment on the Western US caving lists, and has 
caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he hadn’t be informed of the 
pending proposal).

For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stefan Creaser]

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion of the 
same? ;-)

Cheers,
Stefan

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:


FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board of 
Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


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RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stefan Creaser]

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion of the 
same? ;-)

Cheers,
Stefan

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:


FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board of 
Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

RE: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Stefan Creaser]

Wonder if this one'll drag on as long as the TSA newsletter discussion of the 
same? ;-)

Cheers,
Stefan

From: Phil Winkler [mailto:pw...@dca.net]
Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2013 6:16 PM
To: Frank Binney
Cc: Texas Cavers
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:


FYI to Texas Cavers:
There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday's NSS Board of 
Governor's meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment on 
the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
hadn't be informed of the pending proposal).
For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
Frank NSS 10816F


-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mimi Jasek]

Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like that would 
need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners another way, for I 
personally read as little as possible on line. Besides, our printed library 
would suffer!

Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney  wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mimi Jasek]

Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like that would 
need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners another way, for I 
personally read as little as possible on line. Besides, our printed library 
would suffer!

Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney  wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Mimi Jasek]

Excuse me? Cancel our printed magazine? I think not. Something like that would 
need to be voted on by all members. They can cut corners another way, for I 
personally read as little as possible on line. Besides, our printed library 
would suffer!

Mimi Jasek

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:10 PM, Frank Binney  wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Phil Winkler]

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Phil Winkler]

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F

Re: [Texascavers] BOG proposal to end printed NSS News

[Phil Winkler]

Read all about it in the March 23 BOG Meeting topic: http://cavechat.org/

Phil
On Mar 19, 2013, at 7:10 PM, Frank Binney wrote:

> FYI to Texas Cavers:
> There is apparently a proposal being presented at this Saturday’s NSS Board 
> of Governor’s meeting to end delivery of the printed NSS News as part of your 
> regular NSS membership. This news has generated considerable recent comment 
> on the Western US caving lists, and has caught the NSS Editor by surprise (he 
> hadn’t be informed of the pending proposal).
> For more info, consult an NSS BOG member.
> Frank NSS 10816F