Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Please submit map and article to the Texas Caver.
Preston
- Original Message -
From: Dale Barnard
To: Mark Minton
Cc: * Texas Cavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the
fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on
the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of
your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient,
but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary
file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue.
I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300
dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link
to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next
time.
Dale
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is
Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading
files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw
cave maps.
Mark
At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote:
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/
Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that.
At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were
overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0
was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old.
I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as
registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept
changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to
merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened.
Ted
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote:
Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
misconceptions.
I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the
Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being
unemployed is an outrage.
I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my
Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a
new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will
have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This
was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once
I got lucky :)
Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the
main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
software.
Jim
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mixon Bill
Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
To: James Jasek
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the
Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If
there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I
don't get quite all the posts.)
Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100
back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of
programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm
still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me
almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not
terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all
this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up,
too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to
OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least
cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't
arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost.
But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing.
Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from
disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so
that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel
free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mi
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Please submit map and article to the Texas Caver.
Preston
- Original Message -
From: Dale Barnard
To: Mark Minton
Cc: * Texas Cavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the
fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on
the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of
your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient,
but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary
file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue.
I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300
dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link
to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next
time.
Dale
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is
Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading
files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw
cave maps.
Mark
At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote:
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/
Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that.
At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were
overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0
was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old.
I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as
registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept
changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to
merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened.
Ted
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote:
Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
misconceptions.
I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the
Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being
unemployed is an outrage.
I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my
Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a
new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will
have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This
was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once
I got lucky :)
Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the
main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
software.
Jim
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mixon Bill
Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
To: James Jasek
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the
Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If
there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I
don't get quite all the posts.)
Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100
back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of
programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm
still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me
almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not
terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all
this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up,
too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to
OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least
cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't
arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost.
But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing.
Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from
disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so
that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel
free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mi
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Please submit map and article to the Texas Caver.
Preston
- Original Message -
From: Dale Barnard
To: Mark Minton
Cc: * Texas Cavers
Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2013 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the
fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on
the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of
your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient,
but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary
file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue.
I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300
dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link
to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next
time.
Dale
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote:
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is
Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading
files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw
cave maps.
Mark
At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote:
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/
Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that.
At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were
overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0
was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old.
I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as
registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept
changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to
merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened.
Ted
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote:
Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to
Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up
misconceptions.
I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the
Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being
unemployed is an outrage.
I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my
Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a
new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro.
I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems.
You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will
have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This
was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once
I got lucky :)
Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the
main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling
software.
Jim
Begin forwarded message:
From: Mixon Bill
Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT
To: James Jasek
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the
Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If
there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I
don't get quite all the posts.)
Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100
back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of
programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm
still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me
almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not
terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all
this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up,
too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.)
And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to
OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least
cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't
arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost.
But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing.
Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from
disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so
that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too.
If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel
free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mi
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient, but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue. I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300 dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next time. Dale On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is > Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but > reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it > exclusively to draw cave maps. > > Mark > > At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: > >> GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ >> >> Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. >> >> At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were >> overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS >> 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. >> >> I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as >> registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which >> kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going >> to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. >> >> Ted >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: >> Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to >> Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up >> misconceptions. >> >> I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the >> Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being >> unemployed is an outrage. >> >> I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my >> Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to >> a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. >> >> I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. >> >> You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will >> have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. >> This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. >> For once I got lucky :) >> >> Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the >> main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for >> steeling software. >> >> Jim >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Mixon Bill >>> Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT >>> To: James Jasek >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop >>> >>> James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the >>> Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. >>> If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I >>> think I don't get quite all the posts.) >>> >>> Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back >>> in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of >>> programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but >>> I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken >>> me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not >>> terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription >>> all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has >>> gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for >>> CS7.) >>> >>> And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to >>> OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least >>> cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing >>> wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra >>> cost. >>> >>> But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. >>> Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from >>> disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions >>> so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. >>> >>> If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel >>> free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon >>> >> >> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net >> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org >> > > > --**--**- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: > texascavers-help@texascavers.**com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient, but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue. I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300 dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next time. Dale On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is > Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but > reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it > exclusively to draw cave maps. > > Mark > > At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: > >> GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ >> >> Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. >> >> At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were >> overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS >> 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. >> >> I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as >> registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which >> kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going >> to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. >> >> Ted >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: >> Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to >> Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up >> misconceptions. >> >> I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the >> Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being >> unemployed is an outrage. >> >> I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my >> Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to >> a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. >> >> I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. >> >> You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will >> have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. >> This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. >> For once I got lucky :) >> >> Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the >> main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for >> steeling software. >> >> Jim >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Mixon Bill >>> Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT >>> To: James Jasek >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop >>> >>> James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the >>> Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. >>> If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I >>> think I don't get quite all the posts.) >>> >>> Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back >>> in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of >>> programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but >>> I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken >>> me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not >>> terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription >>> all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has >>> gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for >>> CS7.) >>> >>> And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to >>> OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least >>> cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing >>> wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra >>> cost. >>> >>> But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. >>> Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from >>> disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions >>> so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. >>> >>> If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel >>> free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon >>> >> >> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net >> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org >> > > > --**--**- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: > texascavers-help@texascavers.**com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I drew the Kiwi Sink map using Inkscape. I like the app a lot, and I like the fact that it's open source, but it did crash at least 50 times while working on the map. The saving grace is that it does a great job of creating a backup of your project when it detects that it has crashed. Crashing was inconvenient, but I never lost a bit of work. I just kept having to go delete the primary file and rename the backup to be the primary and then continue. I think that the main reason it crashes it that I had embedded a bunch of 300 dpi sketch notes in the document, making it rather large. Perhaps if you link to files rather than embedding them, it won't crash as much. I'll try that next time. Dale On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Mark Minton wrote: > A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is > Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but > reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it > exclusively to draw cave maps. > > Mark > > At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: > >> GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ >> >> Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. >> >> At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were >> overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS >> 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. >> >> I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as >> registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which >> kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going >> to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. >> >> Ted >> >> On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: >> Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to >> Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up >> misconceptions. >> >> I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the >> Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being >> unemployed is an outrage. >> >> I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my >> Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to >> a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. >> >> I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. >> >> You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will >> have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. >> This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. >> For once I got lucky :) >> >> Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the >> main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for >> steeling software. >> >> Jim >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >> From: Mixon Bill >>> Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT >>> To: James Jasek >>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop >>> >>> James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the >>> Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. >>> If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I >>> think I don't get quite all the posts.) >>> >>> Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back >>> in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of >>> programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but >>> I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken >>> me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not >>> terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription >>> all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has >>> gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for >>> CS7.) >>> >>> And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to >>> OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least >>> cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing >>> wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra >>> cost. >>> >>> But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. >>> Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from >>> disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions >>> so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. >>> >>> If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel >>> free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon >>> >> >> Please reply to mmin...@caver.net >> Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org >> > > > --**--**- > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: > texascavers-unsubscribe@**texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: > texascavers-help@texascavers.**com > >
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If you are doing a lot of repetitive work and you dont mind a little coding, GIMP can be nice. Everything can be scripted in Scheme which is pretty much an encarnation of LISP as many on this list may remember when Artificial Intelligence was a hot topic. I enjoy it when I have used it. Admittedly adobe will have more features and be more modern, but GIMP does keep up well and in many cases comparable tools have more or more granular options. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Louise Power wrote: > Hi Ted, > > The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing > companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they > can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay > up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times > gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the > older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. > I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP > text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. > > But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. > > Happy summer! > > Louise > > > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 > From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com > To: caver...@hot.rr.com > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ > > Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. > > At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. > WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine > by me. Digital wanking gets old. > > I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered > layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing > the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even > in 1987. Still hasn't happened. > > Ted > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version > 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is > an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac > G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new > Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mixon Bill > Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > To: James Jasek > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe > Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If > there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I > don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in > 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, > including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still > stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 > years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far > ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. > (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I > doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the we
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If you are doing a lot of repetitive work and you dont mind a little coding, GIMP can be nice. Everything can be scripted in Scheme which is pretty much an encarnation of LISP as many on this list may remember when Artificial Intelligence was a hot topic. I enjoy it when I have used it. Admittedly adobe will have more features and be more modern, but GIMP does keep up well and in many cases comparable tools have more or more granular options. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Louise Power wrote: > Hi Ted, > > The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing > companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they > can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay > up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times > gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the > older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. > I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP > text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. > > But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. > > Happy summer! > > Louise > > > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 > From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com > To: caver...@hot.rr.com > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ > > Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. > > At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. > WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine > by me. Digital wanking gets old. > > I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered > layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing > the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even > in 1987. Still hasn't happened. > > Ted > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version > 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is > an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac > G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new > Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mixon Bill > Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > To: James Jasek > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe > Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If > there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I > don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in > 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, > including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still > stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 > years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far > ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. > (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I > doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the we
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If you are doing a lot of repetitive work and you dont mind a little coding, GIMP can be nice. Everything can be scripted in Scheme which is pretty much an encarnation of LISP as many on this list may remember when Artificial Intelligence was a hot topic. I enjoy it when I have used it. Admittedly adobe will have more features and be more modern, but GIMP does keep up well and in many cases comparable tools have more or more granular options. Sent from my iPhone On May 13, 2013, at 5:42 PM, Louise Power wrote: > Hi Ted, > > The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing > companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they > can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay > up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times > gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the > older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. > I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP > text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. > > But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. > > Happy summer! > > Louise > > > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 > From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com > To: caver...@hot.rr.com > CC: texascavers@texascavers.com > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ > > Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. > > At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. > WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine > by me. Digital wanking gets old. > > I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered > layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing > the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even > in 1987. Still hasn't happened. > > Ted > > > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version > 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is > an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac > G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new > Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > From: Mixon Bill > Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > To: James Jasek > Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe > Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If > there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I > don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in > 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, > including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still > stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 > years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far > ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. > (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I > doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the we
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I just bought another camera, a D80 with the IR filter removed! I will try and take IR pics at night!!! On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote: > If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift > Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. > It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most > caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure > and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital > press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check > it out. > > - Pete > > On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: > > If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you > can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. > > > http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard > ? > > Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: > >- Adobe Photoshop® CS6 >- Adobe Illustrator® CS6 >- Adobe InDesign® CS6 >- Adobe Acrobat® X Pro > > > Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found > one rating which said: > > > *Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish > I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with **Apple > salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. > > Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, > Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. > > Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled > resolution). Ugh. > …More<http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard?#> > * > > > Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't > have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. > > > Louise > -- > From: caver...@hot.rr.com > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated ver
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I just bought another camera, a D80 with the IR filter removed! I will try and take IR pics at night!!! On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote: > If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift > Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. > It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most > caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure > and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital > press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check > it out. > > - Pete > > On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: > > If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you > can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. > > > http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard > ? > > Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: > >- Adobe Photoshop® CS6 >- Adobe Illustrator® CS6 >- Adobe InDesign® CS6 >- Adobe Acrobat® X Pro > > > Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found > one rating which said: > > > *Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish > I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with **Apple > salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. > > Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, > Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. > > Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled > resolution). Ugh. > …More<http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard?#> > * > > > Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't > have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. > > > Louise > -- > From: caver...@hot.rr.com > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated ver
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I just bought another camera, a D80 with the IR filter removed! I will try and take IR pics at night!!! On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Pete Lindsley wrote: > If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift > Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. > It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most > caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure > and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital > press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check > it out. > > - Pete > > On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: > > If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you > can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. > > > http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard > ? > > Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: > >- Adobe Photoshop® CS6 >- Adobe Illustrator® CS6 >- Adobe InDesign® CS6 >- Adobe Acrobat® X Pro > > > Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found > one rating which said: > > > *Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish > I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with **Apple > salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. > > Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, > Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. > > Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled > resolution). Ugh. > …More<http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard?#> > * > > > Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't > have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. > > > Louise > -- > From: caver...@hot.rr.com > To: texascavers@texascavers.com > Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 > Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop > > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated ver
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check it out. - Pete On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check it out. - Pete On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you I-D users are Mac users, I would highly recommend Swift Publisher [http://www.belightsoft.com/products/swiftpublisher/support.php]. It is one heck of a lot easier to use and has sufficient controls for most caving publications. I just completed the layout & printing of a brochure and a 20 page annual report booklet and the 600 dpi file to the digital press printer with full bleeds worked great. Download the trial and check it out. - Pete On May 13, 2013, at 4:33 PM, Louise Power wrote: If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Hi Ted, The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. Happy summer! 😺 Louise Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: caver...@hot.rr.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Hi Ted, The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. Happy summer! 😺 Louise Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: caver...@hot.rr.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Hi Ted, The reason you get more than you want is that generally the printing companies who do our big dox use the most up-to-date software so that they can do anything that comes in. They have to stay ahead, so we have to stay up. Granted, some of the older editions were easier to use and most times gave satisfactory if not excellent results. I've published many dox with the older versions of the software. And I agree with you about editing GIS maps. I always had mine sent to be blank and did text with AI. Hated the ARCMAP text. If it had to go too big, it got all pixely. But aren't you out of the game? If so, the subject is moot. Happy summer! 😺 Louise Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 15:23:57 -0500 From: t.b.sam...@gmail.com To: caver...@hot.rr.com CC: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
If any of you are government employees, go to the following site and you can get CS6 Design Standard for $1299.95. http://store.apple.com/us_epp_55499/product/H8688LL/A/adobe-cs6-design-standard? Adobe Creative Suite 6 Design Standard combines: Adobe Photoshop® CS6 Adobe Illustrator® CS6 Adobe InDesign® CS6 Adobe Acrobat® X Pro Be sure to read the site carefully to make sure it's what you want. Found one rating which said: Beware!!! CS6 InDesign does not play nicely with Retina displays. I wish I had been told this during my lengthy conversation with Apple salespeople before purchasing a new laptop. Adobe updated other applications within the suite (Illustrator, Photoshop...) for Retina compatibility but not this one. Results are ugly pixelated views (or unusably tiny views with scaled resolution). Ugh. …More Planning to get one myself for my birthday at the end of the month. Don't have to worry about the above, I don't have a Retina display. Louise From: caver...@hot.rr.com To: texascavers@texascavers.com Date: Mon, 13 May 2013 14:29:17 -0500 Subject: Fwd: [Texascavers] Photoshop Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete happiness in life. You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw cave maps. Mark At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw cave maps. Mark At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
A free program that is roughly equivalent to Illustrator is Inkscape <http://inkscape.org/>. I have not used it for anything but reading files sent to me by others, but I know people who use it exclusively to draw cave maps. Mark At 04:23 PM 5/13/2013, Ted Samsel wrote: GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up misconceptions. I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being unemployed is an outrage. I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. For once I got lucky :) Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling software. Jim Begin forwarded message: From: Mixon Bill Date: May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT To: James Jasek Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I think I don't get quite all the posts.) Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for CS7.) And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra cost. But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from > disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions > so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. > > If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel > free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon > > Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is > better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete > happiness in life. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from > disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions > so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. > > If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel > free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon > > Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is > better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete > happiness in life. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org > > >
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
GIMP is free (from GNU). http://www.gimp.org/ Instructions are less cryptic than Adobe's. One could try that. At USGS I used Photoshop from 1995 to 2011. The CS packages were overkill. WTF does one need? and Adobe Illustrator from 1998 to 2011. PS 3.0 was fine by me. Digital wanking gets old. I used Adobe Illustrator to edit ESRI GIS (ARCMAP) compositions as registered layers. It was easier to do text with AI than with ESRI which kept changing the underlying SW. We kept hearing ESRI and ORACLE were going to merge. even in 1987. Still hasn't happened. Ted On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM, James Jasek wrote: > Yes, I wanted it to go out to everyone. The important part is the link to > Adobe. They have a Q&A that answers all the questions and clears up > misconceptions. > > I started with Adobe Photoshop when it was only written for the > Mac,version 2.0, an never paid more than $199 for an upgrade. To me, being > unemployed is an outrage. > > I am currently using CS3 as it is the only version I am able to use on my > Mac G5, I bought CS6 last year, for $199, and will use it when I upgrade to > a new Mac Pro Desktop. Apple keeps promising a new Mac Pro. > > I am running CS6 on my wife's Macbook Pro and there are NO problems. > > You are out of luck as Adobe cut off an upgrade from CS3 to CS6. You will > have to go to the cloud or buy the full version of CS6 as a new customer. > This was why I bought CS6 upgrade as I knew Adobe was about to cut it off. > For once I got lucky :) > > Those jerks that download pirated versions of Photoshop is one of the main > reasons Adobe moved to rental. They are making all of us pay for steeling > software. > > Jim > > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From: *Mixon Bill > *Date: *May 13, 2013 2:02:22 PM CDT > *To: *James Jasek > *Subject: **Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop* > > James (only) -- Not sure whether you meant to send that link about the > Adobe Creating Suite rental scheme to the whole Texas Cavers list or not. > If there's been an inquiry about it there, I didn't see it. (Sometimes I > think I don't get quite all the posts.) > > Seems like not such a bad deal, really. I bought CS3 for over $2100 back > in 2007 (would have been more if I'd bought a more complete suite of > programs, including the web stuff). True, I've used it for 5.5 years, but > I'm still stuck with CS3, not the latest versions. And it would have taken > me almost 4 years to pay that amount at the rate of $50 a month, so I'm not > terribly far ahead of where I'd have been had I been paying subscription > all this time. (No doubt the list price of the more recent versions has > gone up, too, and I doubt there's much of an upgrade discount from CS3 for > CS7.) > > And since I've been stuck with CS3, I haven't upgraded my Mac system to OS > 10.6 (Lion) because I heard that some of the CS3 programs have at least > cosmetic problems with the newer operating system. That sort of thing > wouldn't arise with a subscription that allows one to upgrade at no extra > cost. > > But then I know people who have the whole latest version for nothing. Not > hard to find on the web programs that will unlock pirated versions from > disk. I imagine people will figure out how to patch subscription versions > so that they'll continue to run after you stop paying, too. > > If there has been a significant thread about this on Texas Cavers, feel > free to post this if you want to. -- Bill Mixon > > Nothing is better than complete happiness in life. A ham sandwich is > better than nothing. Therefore a ham sandwich is better than complete > happiness in life. > > You may "reply" to the address this message > came from, but for long-term use, save: > Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu > AMCS: a...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org > > >
RE: [Texascavers] Photoshop
Jerry, Last summer I bought a Canon PowerShot A630 as my first digital camera--just to get the feel of one before they don't make film anymore. I immediately bought a 2G card for it. Although I don't go caving anymore for a variety of reasons, I find the camera lightweight, easy to handle and have used it to shoot photos for some of the publications I've done. It has an articulated viewscreen which fold flat against the back of the camera (I hate the ones that stick out on the side) and for less than $200 you can get a waterproof case that will allow you to photograph down to 40 meters (good for photographing those long underground rivers and streams). So far I've been really happy with it. For more info: http://www.imaging-resource.com/PRODS/A630/A630A.HTM One of the features I'm anxious to try is the one which will stitch several photos together into a panorama--no more cutting and pasting in the lab or in Photoshop. Do you think a panorama produced by the camera instead of in the lab or on the screen is still a faithful representation? Louise From: JerryAtkin@aol.comDate: Thu, 15 Nov 2007 00:23:20 -0500To: cvreel...@austin.rr.com; texascavers@texascavers.comSubject: Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop I believe any photo can usually be improved with a bit of touch up; whether you did it in the dark room in the olden days, or in PhotoShop at present is irrelevant. You are still working with a single exposure in which the photons that were captured, document an instant in time that was selected and engineered by the photographer - for better or worse. It's takes experience and talent to select the appropriate lighting, camera angle, exposure, and composition for that single photo. Only so much can be added or deleted in subsequent digital manipulations. The digital photos that give me pause are the composites, where several exposures are combined and edited into a final version. To be fair, a lot of talent is required to set up and engineer the shots; and to digitally merge them into a beautiful photo. But something unnatural has been added I think. You'll never see those scenes in the cave, however magnificent they are. To a purist, they are unfaithful representations of the underground, and pass into the realm of pure art. This is neither bad nor good, but certainly different then traditional photography. Jerry. In a message dated 11/14/2007 9:45:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, cvreel...@austin.rr.com writes: use Photoshop to some degree on all my cave shots. You can brighten underexposed areas & bring out detail, you can darken overexposed areas, & generally improve the quality of the final image with a little work. It's just the fake over-saturation of colors that weren't that bright in the actual setting that gets to me a bit. If you underexposed by an f-stop, by all means, lighten the shot up a bit, if it makes it presentable -- but show the cave as it really is.I do this with my scanned slides as well as shots from the new digital (Yes, I highly recommend the Nikons) so the "real film vs. digital" debate is kind of moot. The best thing about digital in the preview screen. It sure is nice to be able to look at the image and say "Okay, I'm going to open 'er up an f-stop, and point that flash you're holding about 5 degrees more to the left, and hold it up higher. Ok, THAT's a keeper." (having a memory card that'll hold 275 RAW files is nice, too)CV See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I agree...using photoshop is neither good or bad. It is just another tool for creating images. As for the extraordinary cave photos that prompted this discussion; I thought they were stunning. They were executed with a sound understanding of composition, color and most important; art was present. I thought there was a painterly quality to them that is seldom seen in more "pure" traditional cave photography. The use of light and luminous color reminded me of many of the paintings of the Rennaisance. In my humble opinion, I say bravo. Well done. Thanks to Oztotl...someone is finally pushing the edges of cave photography! jerryat...@aol.com wrote: I believe any photo can usually be improved with a bit of touch up; whether you did it in the dark room in the olden days, or in PhotoShop at present is irrelevant. You are still working with a single exposure in which the photons that were captured, document an instant in time that was selected and engineered by the photographer - for better or worse. It's takes experience and talent to select the appropriate lighting, camera angle, exposure, and composition for that single photo. Only so much can be added or deleted in subsequent digital manipulations. The digital photos that give me pause are the composites, where several exposures are combined and edited into a final version. To be fair, a lot of talent is required to set up and engineer the shots; and to digitally merge them into a beautiful photo. But something unnatural has been added I think. You'll never see those scenes in the cave, however magnificent they are. To a purist, they are unfaithful representations of the underground, and pass into the realm of pure art. This is neither bad nor good, but certainly different then traditional photography. Jerry. In a message dated 11/14/2007 9:45:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, cvreel...@austin.rr.com writes: use Photoshop to some degree on all my cave shots. You can brighten underexposed areas & bring out detail, you can darken overexposed areas, & generally improve the quality of the final image with a little work. It's just the fake over-saturation of colors that weren't that bright in the actual setting that gets to me a bit. If you underexposed by an f-stop, by all means, lighten the shot up a bit, if it makes it presentable -- but show the cave as it really is. I do this with my scanned slides as well as shots from the new digital (Yes, I highly recommend the Nikons) so the "real film vs. digital" debate is kind of moot. The best thing about digital in the preview screen. It sure is nice to be able to look at the image and say "Okay, I'm going to open 'er up an f-stop, and point that flash you're holding about 5 degrees more to the left, and hold it up higher. Ok, THAT's a keeper." (having a memory card that'll hold 275 RAW files is nice, too) CV - See what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I believe any photo can usually be improved with a bit of touch up; whether you did it in the dark room in the olden days, or in PhotoShop at present is irrelevant. You are still working with a single exposure in which the photons that were captured, document an instant in time that was selected and engineered by the photographer - for better or worse. It's takes experience and talent to select the appropriate lighting, camera angle, exposure, and composition for that single photo. Only so much can be added or deleted in subsequent digital manipulations. The digital photos that give me pause are the composites, where several exposures are combined and edited into a final version. To be fair, a lot of talent is required to set up and engineer the shots; and to digitally merge them into a beautiful photo. But something unnatural has been added I think. You'll never see those scenes in the cave, however magnificent they are. To a purist, they are unfaithful representations of the underground, and pass into the realm of pure art. This is neither bad nor good, but certainly different then traditional photography. Jerry. In a message dated 11/14/2007 9:45:41 P.M. Central Standard Time, cvreel...@austin.rr.com writes: use Photoshop to some degree on all my cave shots. You can brighten underexposed areas & bring out detail, you can darken overexposed areas, & generally improve the quality of the final image with a little work. It's just the fake over-saturation of colors that weren't that bright in the actual setting that gets to me a bit. If you underexposed by an f-stop, by all means, lighten the shot up a bit, if it makes it presentable -- but show the cave as it really is. I do this with my scanned slides as well as shots from the new digital (Yes, I highly recommend the Nikons) so the "real film vs. digital" debate is kind of moot. The best thing about digital in the preview screen. It sure is nice to be able to look at the image and say "Okay, I'm going to open 'er up an f-stop, and point that flash you're holding about 5 degrees more to the left, and hold it up higher. Ok, THAT's a keeper." (having a memory card that'll hold 275 RAW files is nice, too) CV ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [Texascavers] Photoshop
I use Photoshop to some degree on all my cave shots. You can brighten underexposed areas & bring out detail, you can darken overexposed areas, & generally improve the quality of the final image with a little work. It's just the fake over-saturation of colors that weren't that bright in the actual setting that gets to me a bit. If you underexposed by an f-stop, by all means, lighten the shot up a bit, if it makes it presentable -- but show the cave as it really is. I do this with my scanned slides as well as shots from the new digital (Yes, I highly recommend the Nikons) so the "real film vs. digital" debate is kind of moot. The best thing about digital in the preview screen. It sure is nice to be able to look at the image and say "Okay, I'm going to open 'er up an f-stop, and point that flash you're holding about 5 degrees more to the left, and hold it up higher. Ok, THAT's a keeper." (having a memory card that'll hold 275 RAW files is nice, too) CV On Nov 14, 2007, at 8:54 PM, Mixon Bill wrote: Yes, a few of those photos from Brazil are rather garish. In fact, though, in a couple of cases it looks like a less-edited version of the same scene is in the set. They also appear, as least on screen, to have been overly enthusiastically sharpened. Nevertheless, I've sent that URL on to Urs Widmer of Speleo Projects in case he wants to contact the photographer. I think several of the photos would qualify for the annual Caving Calendar from Switzerland. Presumably the photographer could submit unedited, or nearly so, original images for consideration. The NSS Photo Salon does have a separate category for digital images. In fact, entries in that category are judged more strictly, on the theory that there's no excuse for defects in a photo that's been manipulated in a computer. I think most of the photos entered in the last couple of NSS salons have been digital, although I haven't really paid attention. I'm sure that's the case in the print salon, which I inspect during the convention. I use the Photo Salon night on Thursdays to stay in camp and let my liver regenerate, so I don't see the slides (or, I suppose I should say, the projected images). The meaningful distinction these days, seems to me, ought to be not digital vs film, but "natural" vs something really offbeat, such as a montage or something that has been manipulated in an unrealistic way (say, using some special-effect filter or adding simulated lens flare). But I suppose it might be hard to decide where to draw the line. What computer manipulations are just improving a photograph, and what are creating something different?--Bill Mixon -- You may "reply" to the address this message came from, but for long-term use, save: Personal: bmi...@alumni.uchicago.edu AMCS: edi...@amcs-pubs.org or sa...@amcs-pubs.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
