RE: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
While I send my condolences to those who got hosed, I am relieved to know that the traditional NSS thunderstorm made its usual untimely appearance. Some of you scientists out there need to determine why, no matter where it's held, this event attracts such severe weather. Thanks for the update, Mark. Now I know all in well in the world order. julia -Original Message- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 8:26 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
I second that motion!!! I've never seen an event draw such predictable precipitation!! -WaV On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
While I send my condolences to those who got hosed, I am relieved to know that the traditional NSS thunderstorm made its usual untimely appearance. Some of you scientists out there need to determine why, no matter where it's held, this event attracts such severe weather. Thanks for the update, Mark. Now I know all in well in the world order. julia -Original Message- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 8:26 pm Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
Stefan REALLY wants to get the local lake levels back up. Most are down some 30-40 feet. As Eugene Ebell used to say about his beautiful albeit dry travertine dams at Cave Without a Name, What we need here is a good 10 rain. Five years in row of those would make him a happy man ;) julia -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com To: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net; texascavers texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows)
I second that motion!!! I've never seen an event draw such predictable precipitation!! -WaV On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 9:17 PM, Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.comwrote: Can we have the NSS convention in Austin for the next 5 years? From: Mark Minton [mmin...@caver.net] Sent: 11 August 2013 20:26 To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention weather (was New NSS Fellows) While it wasn't exactly devastating, there was a pretty severe thunderstorm on Wednesday night during the Campground Party/Terminal Syphons performance. It rained several inches and one edge of the campground flooded. A few tents were partially submerged and some people had wet sleeping bags. The creek running along one edge of the campground came within 6 inches of overtopping its banks, but didn't quite go over. If it had, many more people would have gotten wet. Mark At 12:18 PM 8/11/2013, Julia Germany wrote: WTF? No devastating storms this year at the NSS convention And I missed it. Maybe I've been bringing them with me.. Anyway, glad it went off without a hitch or hiccup. Sounds like a missed a good one! julia -Original Message- From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org To: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com Cc: Bill Stephens stephen...@yahoo.com; Marvin Miller mlmil...@gvtc.com Sent: Sun, Aug 11, 2013 7:51 am Subject: [Texascavers] RE: New NSS Fellows FYI, the awards ceremony went off without a hitch, the roof stayed on the hall and there was no severe weather like last year. The banquet room was almost full, the food was good, and the entire banquet was very well organized, from food service and seating to award presentations. There were nice pictures projected of all the award winners. Geary From: Geary Schindel gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org Sent: Sunday, August 11, 2013 7:39 AM To: Texas Cavers Cc: Bill Stephens; Marvin Miller Subject: [Texascavers] New NSS Fellows Congratulations to Bill Stephens and Marvin Miller, new Fellows of the National Speleological Society. My apologies if I've missed any other Texans. Geary Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ?
Watch your mouth yall- im still revelling in my youth! The kind folks of New York are have been taking me into their caves the last 3 days of Post Convention Camp. I plan to get into another cave today! On 8/9/10, Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com wrote: David, Well, let's see. Four days ago I was standing on ice. It was in Cave of the Winds, a tectonic cave on Mt. Mansfield, Vermont's highest mountain. Pretty good for August. Before I recap convention let me congratulate Bob Cowell, new Fellow of the Society, and Geary Schindel, the new NSS Administrative Vice President. Okay, For all those who said there was no caving; WRONG! It was just you couldn't fit. Well, at least, on the Vermont side. On the Adirondack side, the cave's were maneuverable and beautiful washed marble. And, like, I said, on Friday I was on ice. Many of the session did not happen for lack of entries. Mark and Vonny did a wonderful job of beating the bushes for an excellent International Exploration session. I especially liked the Kite Flying in Chinese Caves. The Geology session was a Milroy short course on the island karst of Bahamas, Barbados and Guam. The other set of talks where from Andraus and his students on the 'climate' of various caves including Jewel and Carlsbad. Late in the day, Matt Covington presented a paper that went by in whirl of variables but I think it looked very interesting. On Wednesday there was a presentation on WNS. One of the saddest moments came when someone asked how the fungus spread from Hasbrook Mine to Aolius Cave, neither place often visited by humans. Maybe we did it. answered Al Hicks, the head bat guy in New York. You could see that they were struggling with the same thing cavers are. Even before they go to collect data, they asked is it worth the possibility that we will do harm. It was clear that those who have seen these massive die-offs are changed. We know more about WNS than I thought we did. The bat's are awakened by the lesions caused by the fungus. Some may survives but their wings are tattered and they can die well into summer because they no longer can hunt efficiently. It seems that while in hibernation the bats can not launch an immune response. That I read to mean this is a problem of hibernating bats, not the Free tail (Crash, correct me if I am wrong). Finally, it was a very old convention. They brought a cake up for Art Palmer for his 70th birthday. He was my advisor and I had no idea. Will White got ovation for attending successively 57 conventions. There was no award for a paper given by someone under 25 because there weren't any. There were handful young people and some children of cavers, but that was it. Josh On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: The sessions I went to went very well. Yvonne Droms and I were in charge of International Exploration on Wednesday and we had a full day of exciting talks from China to Mexico and points in between, often with standing room only. My guess is that the average age was more like 50, but it is definitely creeping up. The Syphons were great, as always. The weather was often rainy, but that's par for the course at NSS Conventions. At least there were not high winds, so not many camps were damaged. Groad Hollow was in a nice spot in the woods, which was very nice. Mark Minton At 10:03 PM 8/8/2010, David wrote: I presume everybody is home safe now from the convention ? I feel it is important to discuss the convention, to encourage new cavers unfamiliar with the NSS to attend future conventions, and for those that really wanted to go, but just couldn't make it. This was a difficult convention for most Texas cavers to attend. Only about 13 percent showed up. But there were still more Texas cavers there than Vermont cavers. ( I bet this convention probably broke the record for the number of Vermont cavers to attend. ). I searched the web looking for reports about the convention, but did not find anything. I regret missing almost all of it. Maybe there are still some cavers that are not home yet, who have stories to tell? I saw nearly 25 cavers there from Texas, along with their families. Here are just a few that were wandering around the Howdy Party:Tom Summers, RD Milhollin, Mike Walsh, Jim Kennedy, Bill Mixon, Terry Raines family, Mark Minton ( lives in VA now ), Peter Strickland and sons, Lee Jay Graves, Keith and Lisa Goggins ( of the Terminal Siphons ), Rene Shields, Gary Napper, Chris Thibodaux, Ellie Theone, Jim Coke, and Bill Stone.Who did I leave out ? ( Michael Cicherski, Benjamin and Corrine Schwartz, Kenneth Laidlaw, Josh Rubenstein and Rex Williams ) But there were also lots of cavers there that many of you know like: Dale Pate, and famous cavers like Roger Brucker and Dick Blenz, and most likely dozens of others that I didn't get a chance to say
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ?
El, You are the future of the NSS. Josh On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 9:26 AM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: Watch your mouth yall- im still revelling in my youth! The kind folks of New York are have been taking me into their caves the last 3 days of Post Convention Camp. I plan to get into another cave today! On 8/9/10, Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com wrote: David, Well, let's see. Four days ago I was standing on ice. It was in Cave of the Winds, a tectonic cave on Mt. Mansfield, Vermont's highest mountain. Pretty good for August. Before I recap convention let me congratulate Bob Cowell, new Fellow of the Society, and Geary Schindel, the new NSS Administrative Vice President. Okay, For all those who said there was no caving; WRONG! It was just you couldn't fit. Well, at least, on the Vermont side. On the Adirondack side, the cave's were maneuverable and beautiful washed marble. And, like, I said, on Friday I was on ice. Many of the session did not happen for lack of entries. Mark and Vonny did a wonderful job of beating the bushes for an excellent International Exploration session. I especially liked the Kite Flying in Chinese Caves. The Geology session was a Milroy short course on the island karst of Bahamas, Barbados and Guam. The other set of talks where from Andraus and his students on the 'climate' of various caves including Jewel and Carlsbad. Late in the day, Matt Covington presented a paper that went by in whirl of variables but I think it looked very interesting. On Wednesday there was a presentation on WNS. One of the saddest moments came when someone asked how the fungus spread from Hasbrook Mine to Aolius Cave, neither place often visited by humans. Maybe we did it. answered Al Hicks, the head bat guy in New York. You could see that they were struggling with the same thing cavers are. Even before they go to collect data, they asked is it worth the possibility that we will do harm. It was clear that those who have seen these massive die-offs are changed. We know more about WNS than I thought we did. The bat's are awakened by the lesions caused by the fungus. Some may survives but their wings are tattered and they can die well into summer because they no longer can hunt efficiently. It seems that while in hibernation the bats can not launch an immune response. That I read to mean this is a problem of hibernating bats, not the Free tail (Crash, correct me if I am wrong). Finally, it was a very old convention. They brought a cake up for Art Palmer for his 70th birthday. He was my advisor and I had no idea. Will White got ovation for attending successively 57 conventions. There was no award for a paper given by someone under 25 because there weren't any. There were handful young people and some children of cavers, but that was it. Josh On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: The sessions I went to went very well. Yvonne Droms and I were in charge of International Exploration on Wednesday and we had a full day of exciting talks from China to Mexico and points in between, often with standing room only. My guess is that the average age was more like 50, but it is definitely creeping up. The Syphons were great, as always. The weather was often rainy, but that's par for the course at NSS Conventions. At least there were not high winds, so not many camps were damaged. Groad Hollow was in a nice spot in the woods, which was very nice. Mark Minton At 10:03 PM 8/8/2010, David wrote: I presume everybody is home safe now from the convention ? I feel it is important to discuss the convention, to encourage new cavers unfamiliar with the NSS to attend future conventions, and for those that really wanted to go, but just couldn't make it. This was a difficult convention for most Texas cavers to attend. Only about 13 percent showed up. But there were still more Texas cavers there than Vermont cavers. ( I bet this convention probably broke the record for the number of Vermont cavers to attend. ). I searched the web looking for reports about the convention, but did not find anything. I regret missing almost all of it. Maybe there are still some cavers that are not home yet, who have stories to tell? I saw nearly 25 cavers there from Texas, along with their families. Here are just a few that were wandering around the Howdy Party:Tom Summers, RD Milhollin, Mike Walsh, Jim Kennedy, Bill Mixon, Terry Raines family, Mark Minton ( lives in VA now ), Peter Strickland and sons, Lee Jay Graves, Keith and Lisa Goggins ( of the Terminal Siphons ), Rene Shields, Gary Napper, Chris Thibodaux, Ellie Theone, Jim Coke, and Bill Stone.Who did I leave out ? ( Michael Cicherski, Benjamin and Corrine Schwartz, Kenneth Laidlaw, Josh
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ?
Hear! Hear! That was apparent after the Spring meeting, among other things! Roger -Original Message- From: Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com To: ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com Cc: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? El, You are the future of the NSS. Josh
RE: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ?
When attending ICS and the spring convention I was impressed that someone so young had such organizational skills and enthusiasm. Ellie is a most attractive young lady. Fritz From: cavera...@aol.com [mailto:cavera...@aol.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 11:08 AM To: kars...@gmail.com; ellie.tho...@gmail.com Cc: mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? Hear! Hear! That was apparent after the Spring meeting, among other things! Roger -Original Message- From: Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com To: ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com Cc: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? El, You are the future of the NSS. Josh
Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ?
A new/young cavers progress is due in large part to the people they surrounded themselves with. Any young caver in Texas can have their pick of great cavers to glean from and I have been honored to follow them wherever they go. I am happy to do my part to contribute to a caving community that has more than impressed me with their dedication. Stay tuned for a side bar writeup about pre and post convention camp in the convention issue of the NSS News! (And of course we will have another great TSA convention in 2011). Now stop me before I get too full of myself! On 8/10/10, cavera...@aol.com cavera...@aol.com wrote: Hear! Hear! That was apparent after the Spring meeting, among other things! Roger -Original Message- From: Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com To: ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com Cc: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? El, You are the future of the NSS. Josh - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Hey, Ellie! How 'bout writing something for the TC?! (You knew that was coming). Mark -Original Message- From: ellie :) [mailto:ellie.tho...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 12:28 PM To: cavera...@aol.com Cc: kars...@gmail.com; mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? A new/young cavers progress is due in large part to the people they surrounded themselves with. Any young caver in Texas can have their pick of great cavers to glean from and I have been honored to follow them wherever they go. I am happy to do my part to contribute to a caving community that has more than impressed me with their dedication. Stay tuned for a side bar writeup about pre and post convention camp in the convention issue of the NSS News! (And of course we will have another great TSA convention in 2011). Now stop me before I get too full of myself! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Alright Ellie, stop now! dont get too full of yourself. sorry, you asked for it, couldnt help it. Nico On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:27 PM, ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com wrote: A new/young cavers progress is due in large part to the people they surrounded themselves with. Any young caver in Texas can have their pick of great cavers to glean from and I have been honored to follow them wherever they go. I am happy to do my part to contribute to a caving community that has more than impressed me with their dedication. Stay tuned for a side bar writeup about pre and post convention camp in the convention issue of the NSS News! (And of course we will have another great TSA convention in 2011). Now stop me before I get too full of myself! On 8/10/10, cavera...@aol.com cavera...@aol.com wrote: Hear! Hear! That was apparent after the Spring meeting, among other things! Roger -Original Message- From: Josh Rubinstein kars...@gmail.com To: ellie :) ellie.tho...@gmail.com Cc: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Aug 10, 2010 10:54 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Re: NSS Convention ? El, You are the future of the NSS. Josh - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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David, Well, let's see. Four days ago I was standing on ice. It was in Cave of the Winds, a tectonic cave on Mt. Mansfield, Vermont's highest mountain. Pretty good for August. Before I recap convention let me congratulate Bob Cowell, new Fellow of the Society, and Geary Schindel, the new NSS Administrative Vice President. Okay, For all those who said there was no caving; WRONG! It was just you couldn't fit. Well, at least, on the Vermont side. On the Adirondack side, the cave's were maneuverable and beautiful washed marble. And, like, I said, on Friday I was on ice. Many of the session did not happen for lack of entries. Mark and Vonny did a wonderful job of beating the bushes for an excellent International Exploration session. I especially liked the Kite Flying in Chinese Caves. The Geology session was a Milroy short course on the island karst of Bahamas, Barbados and Guam. The other set of talks where from Andraus and his students on the 'climate' of various caves including Jewel and Carlsbad. Late in the day, Matt Covington presented a paper that went by in whirl of variables but I think it looked very interesting. On Wednesday there was a presentation on WNS. One of the saddest moments came when someone asked how the fungus spread from Hasbrook Mine to Aolius Cave, neither place often visited by humans. Maybe we did it. answered Al Hicks, the head bat guy in New York. You could see that they were struggling with the same thing cavers are. Even before they go to collect data, they asked is it worth the possibility that we will do harm. It was clear that those who have seen these massive die-offs are changed. We know more about WNS than I thought we did. The bat's are awakened by the lesions caused by the fungus. Some may survives but their wings are tattered and they can die well into summer because they no longer can hunt efficiently. It seems that while in hibernation the bats can not launch an immune response. That I read to mean this is a problem of hibernating bats, not the Free tail (Crash, correct me if I am wrong). Finally, it was a very old convention. They brought a cake up for Art Palmer for his 70th birthday. He was my advisor and I had no idea. Will White got ovation for attending successively 57 conventions. There was no award for a paper given by someone under 25 because there weren't any. There were handful young people and some children of cavers, but that was it. Josh On Sun, Aug 8, 2010 at 10:09 PM, Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net wrote: The sessions I went to went very well. Yvonne Droms and I were in charge of International Exploration on Wednesday and we had a full day of exciting talks from China to Mexico and points in between, often with standing room only. My guess is that the average age was more like 50, but it is definitely creeping up. The Syphons were great, as always. The weather was often rainy, but that's par for the course at NSS Conventions. At least there were not high winds, so not many camps were damaged. Groad Hollow was in a nice spot in the woods, which was very nice. Mark Minton At 10:03 PM 8/8/2010, David wrote: I presume everybody is home safe now from the convention ? I feel it is important to discuss the convention, to encourage new cavers unfamiliar with the NSS to attend future conventions, and for those that really wanted to go, but just couldn't make it. This was a difficult convention for most Texas cavers to attend. Only about 13 percent showed up. But there were still more Texas cavers there than Vermont cavers. ( I bet this convention probably broke the record for the number of Vermont cavers to attend. ). I searched the web looking for reports about the convention, but did not find anything. I regret missing almost all of it. Maybe there are still some cavers that are not home yet, who have stories to tell? I saw nearly 25 cavers there from Texas, along with their families. Here are just a few that were wandering around the Howdy Party:Tom Summers, RD Milhollin, Mike Walsh, Jim Kennedy, Bill Mixon, Terry Raines family, Mark Minton ( lives in VA now ), Peter Strickland and sons, Lee Jay Graves, Keith and Lisa Goggins ( of the Terminal Siphons ), Rene Shields, Gary Napper, Chris Thibodaux, Ellie Theone, Jim Coke, and Bill Stone.Who did I leave out ? ( Michael Cicherski, Benjamin and Corrine Schwartz, Kenneth Laidlaw, Josh Rubenstein and Rex Williams ) But there were also lots of cavers there that many of you know like: Dale Pate, and famous cavers like Roger Brucker and Dick Blenz, and most likely dozens of others that I didn't get a chance to say hello to. The average age of the cavers attending seems to get one year older at each convention. A safe guess would be over 50, but my bet would be 60. I think I saw at least one Facebook posting that the Terminal Siphons put on a great show. I posted my final road-trip report
Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS Convention - Ichetucknee River
From Mark Minton: I also did the float trip (although the whole thing, starting at the north end), as did a large number of other cavers at the Convention. When we entered the park we were handed an information sheet about the float trips on which it clearly stated that any disposable items would not be allowed on the river. They are concerned about trash, and will not allow anything that might be thrown away or carelessly lost. Larger, more expensive items are okay since the owner has an incentive to hold onto them. Nalgene bottles with beverages were allowed. I took my Darren drum with all sorts of things in it, but they did look inside to be sure I had nothing disposable. We knew this was the case because we had asked people at Convention about the trip before setting out. Nalgenes or camelbacks! That was what we needed (a small group of us did the entire trip also and it was awesome). We started around 11am and took about 4 or so hours to snorkel and float and rescue an abandoned boat. Happy but parched at the take out. (Yes, we were warned at the beginning when we entered the park)and so drank a bunch before we left.) It was the highlight of convention for me at least. We actually still haven't made it back home to the farm. Decided to take a detour and catch the Florida then Louisiana High Points. So of course we had to spend a couple days in New Orleans' French Quarter. Can anyone say Bourbon Street? :-) Barb Capocy Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nNjcSXtgjYKpk3RWP4vaEPjdDymrAEjjhwpNw0NWdlQdNld/ - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: NSS Convention Report - part 4
Hi David: Even if the convention were to lose money, the NSS has a special convention fund where they take the profits from other conventions to make up the short fall. This is done so that conventions will cut the budget tight to hold the registration costs down on conventions, but not draw from general funds if they take a loss. Gary Moss At 12:55 PM 8/18/2008, Minton, Mark wrote: David Locklear said: I don't know if anybody took showers on campus, but I did. There was no hot water. I used the showers a couple of times, as did many other people, and there was always hot water. I never heard anyone say there was no hot water. Some of the showers were plumbed backwards, though, so in those you had to use the cold setting rather than the hot. I presume the Convention lost money. In fact, they announced at the banquet that the Convention broke even. Mark Minton - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] RE: NSS Convention # 9
Though not often seen, there are a lot of foxes in most parts of Texas. - Fritz _ From: Minton, Mark [mailto:mmin...@nmhu.edu] Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 12:09 PM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] RE: NSS Convention # 9 David Locklear said: I saw a fox along the road. Yvonne Droms and I also saw a fox on a back road as we were driving back to the Convention campground at dusk after a cave trip near Wyandotte. Apparently there are a lot of foxes in southern Indiana. Cool! Mark Minton
