Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful job Moni 2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help geezers know who folks are. Fritz From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011 Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful job Moni 2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help geezers know who folks are. Fritz From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011 Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
And Thank you Steve Gutting, to help me in the survey team wonderful job Moni 2011/10/18 Espeleo Coahuila espeleocoahu...@gmail.com Thank you friends, this year was my second time to participed in TCR, the first 2009, I cannot to help much, and you help me alot with my treatments, this weekend received a lot hugs and good words from you, and some donations. Thank you again for let me help in some areas that you need help: Aimee: with the cup cakes, Aimee and Geoff: to support me too, Ellie: in the registration area, that's a wonderful place to meet people, say hello, and give hugs, with Nick : to carrie wood to hot tube, I try help. Gill: thank you for give me a rait, Linda and Allan thank you for your support. Jenni and Don: for help me. Ruff and Roger: thank you for help me.Ellie thank you for your help too. the flavors of the food, was very good. The time with the friends was wonderful the contest was great, I win in survey team (my first time) and the costume ( thanks) Well I saw many people, friends from Austin, Houston, San Antonio, a new friends, Mexico. Hope the next year come again and help more... Love you Hope you understand my english See you soon in the Bexar Grotto. Moni Ponce. 2011/10/17 Carl Kunath carl.kun...@suddenlink.net Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com -- LCC Monica Grissel Ponce Gonzalez San Antonio, Texas espeleocoahu...@gmail.com
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011
Shucks! And I had to miss the name tags I had suggested for years. They help geezers know who folks are. Fritz From: Carl Kunath [mailto:carl.kun...@suddenlink.net] Sent: Monday, October 17, 2011 12:23 PM To: TexasCavers Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011 Congratulations and thanks to Allan Cobb and his host of unsung volunteers for yet another great Texas Caver Reunion. You folks do a great job! Special thanks this year to whomever followed though with providing name tags at registration. Wonderful! ===Carl Kunath
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Well if you do Fritz, bring your own... The theme this year is Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-) From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Cc: 'Mandy Holt' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Diana, I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year. Fritz (geezer( :) -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Well if you do Fritz, bring your own... The theme this year is Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-) From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Cc: 'Mandy Holt' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Diana, I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year. Fritz (geezer( :) -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I’m convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I’ll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don’t call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don’t see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That’s OK as I like cereal. If Dave’s Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Well if you do Fritz, bring your own... The theme this year is Caribbean/Pirate, I'm not sure they had sandwiches ;-) From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:50 AM To: 'mark.al...@l-3com.com'; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Cc: 'Mandy Holt' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Diana, I am that old and could probably sustain myself on DQ Blizzards but the liquid diet was aimed at beer loving cavers which seem to be the majority of adult males today. In my 76 years I never drank or smoked. Well, that's not altogether true as I love egg nog and a mild margarita once or twice a year. Fritz (geezer( :) -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 11:55 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: mark.al...@l-3com.com; Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex; Mandy Holt Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Fritz, have you gotten so old that now you need a liquid diet? Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 8, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: I love a good sandwich with lettuce, tomato and spicy mustard. In addition to white and wheat bread, could we have some rye? It goes especially well with camaraderie. Who needs hot food when so many prefer a liquid diet. Fritz From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2011 7:17 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! A cold table, i.e., pasta/salad/antipasto/sandwich route would be fine with me and also be something different. Desperate times and all. Just my 1/50th of a dollar. Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y’all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y’all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y’all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y’all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Indeed they would --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules. Fritz From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :) :( From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y’all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y’all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Indeed they would --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules. Fritz From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09 To: Mallory Mayeuxmmay...@gmail.com Cc: Fritz Holtfh...@townandcountryins.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Comtexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer and talking... From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
You can rent a modern mountain bike for the weekend, it's not expensive. Since there may not be much water for swimming, it would make an enjoyable alternative. I managed to do some mountain biking last year, despite the relatively steep terrain and dust. It was great fun, and the dogs always enjoy running after the bike. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Diana, I have a standard bike with no gearing and that might be a little tough on the hills and rough stuff. I had a 7 gear Schwinn Cruiser which I donated at the TCR sale the last year at Paradise Canyon. Fritz -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:44 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :) :( From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y’all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y’all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don’t remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV’s may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y’all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn’t much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y’all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let’s hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y’all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer and talking... From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Indeed they would --- if ridden carelessly without regard for others. I personally ride slowly to take in the scenery. Age is catching up to me and while I can still hike, there are times I would rather ride. Other cavers seem to enjoy riding my ATV also. I will abide by Allan's decision and rules. Fritz From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
If that's the case then eliminate all off roaring on or off trails. Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile -Original Message- From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2011 10:05:09 To: Mallory Mayeuxmmay...@gmail.com Cc: Fritz Holtfh...@townandcountryins.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Comtexascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I suggest that the only hot air generated is while sitting around with a beer and talking... From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:57 AM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Even without throwing sparks, my concern would be that several ATVs would raise a lot of dust. Allan asked people to drive their cars slowly when they're off the pavement in order to avoid kicking up dust. Wouldn't four-wheelers cause the same problems? Mallory On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 11:43 AM, Diana Tomchick diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edumailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu wrote: I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383tel:214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353tel:214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcrhttp://www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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You can rent a modern mountain bike for the weekend, it's not expensive. Since there may not be much water for swimming, it would make an enjoyable alternative. I managed to do some mountain biking last year, despite the relatively steep terrain and dust. It was great fun, and the dogs always enjoy running after the bike. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 11:49 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Diana, I have a standard bike with no gearing and that might be a little tough on the hills and rough stuff. I had a 7 gear Schwinn Cruiser which I donated at the TCR sale the last year at Paradise Canyon. Fritz -Original Message- From: Diana Tomchick [mailto:diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 11:44 AM To: Fritz Holt Cc: Allan B. Cobb; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! I believe it is an excellent place for mountain biking, so why don't you try bringing a bike instead? Little chance that would spark a fire. Diana * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Diana R. Tomchick Associate Professor University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center Department of Biochemistry 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. Rm. ND10.214B Dallas, TX 75390-8816, U.S.A. Email: diana.tomch...@utsouthwestern.edu 214-645-6383 (phone) 214-645-6353 (fax) On Sep 7, 2011, at 10:36 AM, Fritz Holt wrote: Allan, I read in an earlier post that Flat Creek Ranch had either 300 or 500 acres. My first TCR was there in 2005 but I don't remember much about the terrain other than the creek bed and elevated area where many camped. Are there any ranch roads or trails on the property where ATV's may be ridden? My little Honda 250cc four wheeler has no cat converter and does not emit sparks. If permitted, I would like to bring it to TCR. A few others may also want to bring theirs. Thanks, Fritz Holt From: Allan B. Cobb [mailto:a...@oztotl.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 10:04 AM To: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Howdy y'all! No doubt all have heard about the wildfires in Texas. Flat Creek, the site of the upcoming TCR, had fires close but not on the property. Needless to say, Texas is dry and fire dangers are high. At TCR this year, there WILL BE NO FIRES AT CAMP SITES. Also, do not plan on bring a charcoal grill for cooking. Avoid using candles for lighting in and around tents. Also, consider where you park as catalytic converters on cars can get very hot and can ignite grass. DO NOT PARK IN TALL GRASS. It is not really hard to avoid tall grass as there really isn't much but do be aware of where you park. If you smoke, DO NOT throw the butts on the ground. Not only is this unsightly but it is also a fire hazard. The grass and trees are very dry. It will not take much to start a fire and it can quickly get out of control especially if we have any wind. TCR generally tries to avoid rules and enforcement. However, these rules will be STRICTLY ENFORCED! We also encourage everyone to bring a fire extinguisher. We hope to avoid starting a fire but if one breaks out, prompt and immediate action may prevent a disaster. OK, enough gloom and doom and rulemaking... The Texas Cavers Reunion will be the weekend of October 14-16. Y'all are all invited to come to the fun and festivities. There is not much water in the pond but there is some. Let's hope we get some rain between now and then. Also, like last year, it could potentially be dusty. Please drive slow when you are off the pavement. For more information and the location of Flat Creek, please visit www.oztotl.com/tcr. See y'all there! Allan UT Southwestern Medical Center The future of medicine, today. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011!
There's probably a KFC in Johnson City that caters. :) :( From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:31 PM To: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Anyone for salad this year? ;-) --Stefan [Chief Cook and Bottle Washer] From: Fritz Holt [mailto:fh...@townandcountryins.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:18 PM To: 'Gill Edigar'; Diana Tomchick; 'Mandy Holt'; 'Jenny Holt' Cc: Cave Tex Subject: RE: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! Gill, I'm convinced, you smooth talker you. My ATV (but hopefully not me) stays at home. I'll have my hiking boots and walking stick but please don't call it a cane. TCR is always a blast and I don't see how it could be any dustier than last years gathering. I guess there will be more cold meals at campsites this year. That's OK as I like cereal. If Dave's Cave Saloon is operating this year I will have to make a donation as I am sure it will be heavily frequented. Fritz From: bgillegi...@gmail.com [mailto:bgillegi...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Gill Edigar Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2011 4:03 PM To: Diana Tomchick Cc: Fritz Holt; Cave Tex Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TCR 2011! My gut feeling, having many years of experience at Flat Creek Ranch and having physically walked the grounds last week, is that this is a most exceptional year. The drouth has dealt us a double blow that we normally don't have to be concerned with--low water and dry and dead plant material (= fuel for wild fires). And unless we have significant rains before TCR we must do as much as possible to prevent sparks and dust and should be prepared to fight any fires that may arise. We will be camped next to tender dry juniper which burns like gasoline when ignited and spreads like wildfire--literally. As a first response measure I've suggested that everyone include a dry chemical fire extinguisher (or 2) when packing their caving vehicle for TCR. I'm going to suggest that this year people leave ATVs and such at home. Not only would they be unusually dusty and noisy this year but they can tear up what little vegetation may be trying to survive and are more likely to create sparks and, perhaps, flames. The few people who use them for getting around due to disabilities should operate them slowly and considerately. Bicycles should not be a problem but it would be good to remember that flint rocks litter the ranch and flint rocks make sparks. Be aware of what is happening behind you. Or, better yet, stick to the paved roads as much as possible. Be aware that the creek water behind the dam is low and warm. Warm water can be home to certain organism that could be harmful to even normally healthy cavers. Diana, perhaps you can expound on this a bit. The hot tub will be treated but the pond will not be. I've been in consultation with the Ranch Manager and the TCR operatives and have made the above suggestions. I'm convinced that we can have a lot of fun and a good TCR despite some differences this year. Don't stay home just because it won't be exactly the same as you remember. There'll still be plenty to enjoy--people and activities. Stay tuned for further announcements from the organizers as we get closer. Maybe it'll rain and the TCR will get back to normal--or abnormal, however you see it. Rain dances at Grotto meetings and where ever cavers gather would be appreciated. --Ediger -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
