Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
I head a story of a couple of kids getting stuck in an antlion kind of thing in that cave under luby's parking lot. I think some local caver got a citation of bravery for going in there to get em out. Was that dead-dog cave? -WaV On 8/15/07, Fritz Holt wrote: > > Any cave is a good cave to me also as they all serve a purpose. When you > have to work hard to navigate one you like to be rewarded with nice > formations or some other interesting features. What I saw of Whirlpool had > neither. However, cave entrances are always interesting. > > Fritz > > > -- > > *From:* Michael Sisson [mailto:mikeh...@austin.rr.com] > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:43 PM > *To:* Nico Escamilla > *Cc:* Texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] urban growth > > > > No, any cave is a good cave to me. > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: > > > > Don't you get tired of seeing Airmans over and over mikehole? > > On 8/14/07, *Michael Sisson* wrote: > > Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime. > > > > On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: > > > > And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the > camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's. > > Fritz > > > -- > > *From:* Preston Forsythe [ > mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM > *To: *George Nincehelser; David Locklear > *Cc: *Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] urban growth > > > > Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even > tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of > Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes > would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and > bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. > > > > Cavingly, > > Preston > > - Original Message - > > *From:* George Nincehelser > > *To:* David Locklear > > *Cc:* Rebecca Boon ; Texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] urban growth > > > > On 8/14/07, *David** Locklear* wrote: > > I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath > a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. > > > > I've heard it called " Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the > Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. > > > > George > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 > 10:15 AM > > > > > > Michael Sisson > > mikeh...@austin.rr.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Sisson > > mikeh...@austin.rr.com > > > > > > >
RE: [Texascavers] urban growth
Any cave is a good cave to me also as they all serve a purpose. When you have to work hard to navigate one you like to be rewarded with nice formations or some other interesting features. What I saw of Whirlpool had neither. However, cave entrances are always interesting. Fritz _ From: Michael Sisson [mailto:mikeh...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 10:43 PM To: Nico Escamilla Cc: Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth No, any cave is a good cave to me. On Aug 14, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: Don't you get tired of seeing Airmans over and over mikehole? On 8/14/07, Michael Sisson wrote: Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime. On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's. Fritz _ From: Preston Forsythe [ mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net <mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net> ] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM To: George Nincehelser; David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. Cavingly, Preston - Original Message - From: George Nincehelser <mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com> To: David Locklear <mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com> Cc: Rebecca Boon <mailto:toffeeb...@mac.com> ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called " Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George _ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM Michael Sisson mikeh...@austin.rr.com Michael Sisson mikeh...@austin.rr.com
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
No, any cave is a good cave to me. On Aug 14, 2007, at 10:28 PM, Nico Escamilla wrote: Don't you get tired of seeing Airmans over and over mikehole? On 8/14/07, Michael Sisson wrote: Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime. On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's. Fritz From: Preston Forsythe [ mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM To: George Nincehelser; David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. Cavingly, Preston - Original Message - From: George Nincehelser To: David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called " Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM Michael Sisson mikeh...@austin.rr.com Michael Sisson mikeh...@austin.rr.com
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Don't you get tired of seeing Airmans over and over mikehole? On 8/14/07, Michael Sisson wrote: > > Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime. > On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: > > And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the > camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's. > > Fritz > > > -- > > *From:* Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM > *To:* George Nincehelser; David Locklear > *Cc:* Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] urban growth > > > > Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even > tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of > Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes > would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and > bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. > > > > Cavingly, > > Preston > > - Original Message - > > *From:* George Nincehelser > > *To:* David Locklear > > *Cc:* Rebecca Boon ; Texascavers@texascavers.com > > *Sent:* Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM > > *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] urban growth > > > > On 8/14/07, *David** Locklear* wrote: > > I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath > a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. > > > > I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the > Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. > > > > George > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 > 10:15 AM > > > > Michael Sisson > mikeh...@austin.rr.com > > > > >
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Rebecca, Austin has one of the most progressive watershed protection ordinances in the country. See the link below: http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/watershed/ordinances.htm There is a wealth of information about it on their website. As a caver; I have to say that the ordinances do not go far enough to protect caves, karst or regional watersheds. Another source is the Texas Cave Conservancy. They have been helping protect caves from development in the northwestern suburbs of Austin. Their website is: http://texascaves.org/ On 8/13/07 5:12 PM, "Rebecca Boon" wrote: > Hi Texas Cavers! > > I don't know very much about caves..I'm writing a paper for school and would > like to know if Austin's growth has ever required the destruction of cave > systems. Are there laws against that? Are caves protected by law and if so, > since when did such legislation appear? > > Thanks! > Rebecca > > - > Visit our website: http://texascavers.com > To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com > For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com > - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] urban growth
I could have sworn that Preston thought that Airman's was the pits. No
pun intended. I guess that some, especially the younger set, enjoy
crawling in tight spaces and getting muddy. I don't mind climbing but I
prefer caves in which one can stand up and walk.
Still able but still a Geezer. - Fritz
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From: Michael Sisson [mailto:mikeh...@austin.rr.com]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:15 PM
To: Fritz Holt
Cc: Preston Forsythe; George Nincehelser; David Locklear; Rebecca Boon;
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime.
On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote:
And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the
camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's.
Fritz
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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM
To: George Nincehelser; David Locklear
Cc: Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even
tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of
Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes
would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin
and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru.
Cavingly,
Preston
- Original Message -
From: George Nincehelser <mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com>
To: David Locklear <mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: Rebecca Boon <mailto:toffeeb...@mac.com> ;
Texascavers@texascavers.com <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
On 8/14/07, David Locklear mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com> > wrote:
I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up
underneath
a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin.
I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly
underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac.
George
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Michael Sisson
mikeh...@austin.rr.com
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Airman's is a great cave and I'd go anytime. On Aug 14, 2007, at 1:48 PM, Fritz Holt wrote: And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman’s. Fritz From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM To: George Nincehelser; David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. Cavingly, Preston - Original Message - From: George Nincehelser To: David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM Michael Sisson mikeh...@austin.rr.com
RE: [Texascavers] urban growth
And I thought that Whirlpool was bad. All work and not much fun but the
camaraderie was great. I will pass on any opportunity to go to Airman's.
Fritz
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From: Preston Forsythe [mailto:pns_...@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:24 PM
To: George Nincehelser; David Locklear
Cc: Rebecca Boon; Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even
tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of
Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes
would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin
and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru.
Cavingly,
Preston
- Original Message -
From: George Nincehelser <mailto:geo...@nincehelser.com>
To: David Locklear <mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>
Cc: Rebecca Boon <mailto:toffeeb...@mac.com> ;
Texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote:
I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up
underneath
a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin.
I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly
underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac.
George
_
No virus found in this incoming message.
Checked by AVG Free Edition.
Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date:
8/13/2007 10:15 AM
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
Oh no, No more Dead Dog Cave, say it is not true! That cave was even tighter than Airman's. I would not return to Dead Dog, or to the back of Airman's via the Wire Wiggle for any amount of bribe. A stack of C notes would not do it. To go to either one needs to be under 160 lbs and skin and bones, lean and mean, and loose to flow thru. Cavingly, Preston - Original Message - From: George Nincehelser To: David Locklear Cc: Rebecca Boon ; Texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:02 PM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] urban growth On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.17/951 - Release Date: 8/13/2007 10:15 AM
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: > > I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath > a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George
Re: [Texascavers] urban growth
I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. She might want to go to the library and look up articles under a subdivision built called Tarry Town ( or something like that. ) That is where Austin Caverns is or was. In 1986, I was at TCR and a drunk old timer who called himself "Eck" or something like that, told me there was once a big cave near downtown Austin, and it was covered up. I always assumed he was referring to Austin Caverns, which isn't anywhere near downtown. He also told me he swam miles up Honeycreek back in the 60's in his bathing suit. David Locklear - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
